When will gas hit $4.00

My guess is end of May.

Anyone think earlier.

Location: Katy, Texas

It's about $3.60 locally but has already surpassed $ 4 in some locations ( i.e. - northeast US , likely California as well ) !

When the prices were this high in 2007, I was telling the Atheists I was debating that I was praying for the prices to drop to under $3.00 a gal.
None of them believed me when I said I believed God would bring the price of gas down, yet he did.
I am going to start praying to that same end again ( as soon as I get done with this post!)

I will pray for the price of gas to drop to below $3.00 a gal by Sept. In Jesus name, lets see if he will work a miracle of price dropping again!

God does not set the price of gasoline.

Adam Smith does! :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith

already over 4 bucks a gallon here in the SF Bay Area Cali.

God does not set the price of gasoline.

Adam Smith does! :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith

Adam Smith is dead and gone, the Lord is alive and well.

Really it is quite evident to me that those in power, including the U.S. President, by their regulations and actions are artificially keeping the price of gas high.
This of course includes the thugs who control oil in the middle East.

The All-powerful Creator is still in control of it all!:smile:

It's already surpassed that here in Cali. Even at the thrifty stations.

When the prices were this high in 2007, I was telling the Atheists I was debating that I was praying for the prices to drop to under $3.00 a gal.
None of them believed me when I said I believed God would bring the price of gas down, yet he did.
I am going to start praying to that same end again ( as soon as I get done with this post!)

I will pray for the price of gas to drop to below $3.00 a gal by Sept. In Jesus name, lets see if he will work a miracle of price dropping again!

I respect your religious beliefs, although I don't directly agree with them, I'd kindly like to ask you to keep it to yourself. God can't control greedy oil companies fixing the price of a barrel of oil. You won't see it drop below $3.00 until the economy completely fails.

Come to Canada, it's over $5 a US gallon.

Adam Smith is dead and gone, the Lord is alive and well.

Really it is quite evident to me that those in power, including the U.S. President, by their regulations and actions are artificially keeping the price of gas high.
This of course includes the thugs who control oil in the middle East.

The All-powerful Creator is still in control of it all!:smile:
CL8, I have missed your religious posts. The sheer volume of irrationality they represent is most entertaining. :)

1. My point was Adam Smith wrote some of the first analysis of the functions of the marketplace. He may be dead, but these forces have been around for thousands of years. Like it or not, fuel prices are determined by market forces and conditions, not God (who does not exist, BTW)

2. Why are you praying to god to save a few bucks? That seems greedy to me. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for you to pray for people who really need help, to end human suffering, or pray for him to ease the burden of the sick, infirm and desperately poor?

3. If you think that god should circumvent market forces to save you some money, aren't you really saying that god is Socialist (given that socialists circumvent market forces to support the less fortunate??)

4. Therefore, why should you, a Republican, pray for Socialist intervention? If you want to go socialist, you can start by supporting Obama. :)

5. Also, if he's all-powerful, why do you have to pray to him at all? Wouldn't he just know anyways........ ?
All I can infer is that even you believe he is not all powerful, and he needs you to alert his attention to problem areas. :)


But back on subject: Higher fuel prices are inevitable, as oil reserves become depleted. This is a good thing, for 2 reasons:

1. Higher prices means less consumption, so existing reserves will last longer, so our children and grandchildren can enjoy them.

2. Higher prices means more money to develop difficult-to-reach oil reserves, like those in Greenland and the arctic. Such reserves will never be developed if prices remain low. Again, this development ensures future generations will have fuels.

CL8, I have missed your religious posts. The sheer volume of irrationality they represent is most entertaining. :)

1. My point was Adam Smith wrote some of the first analysis of the functions of the marketplace. He may be dead, but these forces have been around for thousands of years. Like it or not, fuel prices are determined by market forces and conditions, not God (who does not exist, BTW)
Then it would be the forces, not Adam Smith dictating the prices.

2. Why are you praying to god to save a few bucks? That seems greedy to me. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for you to pray for people who really need help, to end human suffering, or pray for him to ease the burden of the sick, infirm and desperately poor?
MagicRat, do you honestly believe with the "religiosity" I display here, that praying for gas prices to drop is ALL I pray for?
I pray for ALL of the above you mentioned, I even pray for YOU MR!

Also, my praying for gas prices to drop isn't for me alone.
If The price of gas drops it will drop for EVERYONE who buys gas, not just for me,
so I am thinking of the well being of others too in this prayer!

3. If you think that god should circumvent market forces to save you some money, aren't you really saying that god is Socialist (given that socialists circumvent market forces to support the less fortunate??)

4. Therefore, why should you, a Republican, pray for Socialist intervention? If you want to go socialist, you can start by supporting Obama. :)

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: ^ for both #3&4!

5. Also, if he's all-powerful, why do you have to pray to him at all? Wouldn't he just know anyways........ ?
All I can infer is that even you believe he is not all powerful, and he needs you to alert his attention to problem areas. :)

God wants his people to pray to him. He is honored and pleased with honest, heart felt prayer.
He could choose to leave things as bad as they are if no one is asking him to change it.
But back on subject: Higher fuel prices are inevitable, as oil reserves become depleted. This is a good thing, for 2 reasons:

1. Higher prices means less consumption, so existing reserves will last longer, so our children and grandchildren can enjoy them.

2. Higher prices means more money to develop difficult-to-reach oil reserves, like those in Greenland and the arctic. Such reserves will never be developed if prices remain low. Again, this development ensures future generations will have fuels.MagicRat, you know as well as I do people in the U.S. are screaming to have drilling for oil allowed in places like Anwar, the Dakotas and other places.
It is the politicians who are preventing drilling for oil. I'll bet Canadians are screaming for the same thing in places in Canada.

I respect your religious beliefs, although I don't directly agree with them, I'd kindly like to ask you to keep it to yourself. God can't control greedy oil companies fixing the price of a barrel of oil. You won't see it drop below $3.00 until the economy completely fails.

Welcome to the forums MaynardsEden! What a name!

Sorry to disappoint you, but as you can see those like MagicRat like me to voice my religious beliefs on the forum. You are free to ignore them, Or go to another thread if you wish! :smile:

Also if you really respected my religious beliefs, you wouldn't ask me to keep them to myself.

*You did make a good point about the economy failing,
I will include in my prayers that the price of gas goes down WITHOUT the economy failing!

God bless!
CL8

Come to Canada, it's over $5 a US gallon.

What he said........

Nashville, TN is already averaging about $3.65ish for low grade with up to 10% ethanol. The places in Nashville that advertise "ethanol-free" are $3.70 and up.

It seems to be going up by about $0.10 per week, if not more.

There's someone fairly high up in the federal government who wants fuel to go to $8/gallon, just not too quickly (so we notice it's happening). But I don't know whether that was the change you were hoping for...

That someone wants to destroy the whole economy in the U.S.!

Welcome to the forums MaynardsEden! What a name!
The name derives from a Tool song. Right In Two.

It refers to Maynard's (the lead singer) view of the human race. Give it a listen. Great song.

Also if you really respected my religious beliefs, you wouldn't ask me to keep them to myself.I use the word respect as a verb there, essentially stating consideration, understanding, and regard of your beliefs. Not respect as in holding in high esteem or honoring. It's, suffice it to say, a way of acknowledging your beliefs.

If you respected everyone else's beliefs, such as the non-believers, you wouldn't post such heavily religion based posts. I do respect your beliefs in the fact that I realize it's constitutionally sound to state your views and opinions.

I don't mean to seem rude, this is just the best way I can convey my thoughts... bluntly.

I can't seem to draw the line between automobiles and god, or where he fits into a forum site such as this. I don't really see reason to post heavily religious posts for one simple fact... it's irrelevant.

I grew up catholic, my father was severely orthodox. So I'm not ignorant of your faith. I choose otherwise. But you must understand my opinion on the matter.
I love having philosophical conversations. Accosting another human for their thoughts and ideas is something I relish.
I just don't see purpose here.

:)

Well Maynard (for short):)
I honestly do NOT respect most peoples religious beliefs. Most people are ignorant of how to correctly interpret the Bible, and most don't care.
I am a Bible college grad, I love biblical theology, if I was male, I would probably be a theology teacher. Truth in religion comes only from the Bible.

However I DO respect people, their right to believe the way they do, and their need for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior.
I will present this message, but not force it on anyone. That must come from their own heart. I also grew up Catholic, but became Baptist when I learned what it meant to be born again!

I am continuing to pray for the price of gas to drop to under $3.00 a gal. at the largest Costco in the world (a few miles from where I live) WITHOUT the economy collapsing, by Sept 2011. :cool:

Here in New York we hit about 3.70 in some spots, I think it's very likely by summer time gas prices will be four bucks.

Well Maynard (for short):)
I honestly do NOT respect most peoples religious beliefs. Most people are ignorant of how to correctly interpret the Bible, and most don't care.
I am a Bible college grad, I love biblical theology, if I was male, I would probably be a theology teacher. Truth in religion comes only from the Bible.


I would like to proposition your views on how to "correctly interpret the Bible".
I believe that when it comes to the underlying meanings and teachings of the Bible, it's up for personal interpretation. It's what you take away from it. Granted there was one meaning when it was written, the people that wrote the Bible had these meanings in mind. But, it's always up for personal interpretation. That is the beauty of the Bible. Religion, however, eclipses the truth behind the Bible, the Koran, etc with tradition and ritual. The Bible would be better off without religion.

"Truth is, by nature, self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear." Mohandas Ghandi


The path people choose is the path they're set to take. If their choice is to believe or not believe that is their free will. It doesn't make them ignorant if it's what God intended.


"To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence." Mark Twain

It won't effect me mucht the only thing that can do is to reduce demand for oil.

Even if YOU don't drive, it will affect you by raising the cost of most everything because all goods are dependent upon oil in some way. Even if it is the transportation cost to get it to you.

i hope that won't come , if it will i'll sell my car and get a baik

Here in northeast Pennsylvania, I just paid $3.999 for regular w/ 10% alcohol. Straight gas is not available. But don't worry, your Secretary of Energy we have to find a way to make us pay what they pay in Europe. At least the current administration in Washington is happy with the way things are going.

4.50 here!

Someone on the radio today said one of the goals of those in the government is to make gas prices so high that people will be forced to stop driving their own vehicles and use public transportation!
She said to fight back keep driving. The motivation behind these prices is both power and control. Calling your senators and congressmen/women may help. Let them know to let up on regulations regarding drilling and refining oil. These are prices manipulated by those in power.

I'm still praying for these prices to drop to under $3.00 a gal by Sept. without the economy collapsing. Feel free to join me in praying. There is power in prayer especially when more than one person is praying for something. :jerking:

gas price update:

Well I believe my prayers are being heard!
For the last three days I have heard on the news the the price of gas will drop to $3.50 a gallon on average in the U.S. by mid summer!
All it would need is another .51c to drop by Sept for God to have answered my prayer for the price to get below $3.00 a gal.

(And there is no sign of the economy collapsing (any further) yet!)

hyyy iam katty

gas price update:


They won't drop below $3.00 in major cities. Maybe in Montana, or places where gas isn't used that often, but in San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York... never gonna fall below $3.00. Mainly because God doesn't control financial or capitalist things. God does not set the price of gas, especially now with travel season approaching, prices are just going to either stay where they are, or get higher. I wouldn't be surprised if it hit $5.00 in California by July.

A lot more goes into how big oil companies violate our wallets (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/fuel-consumption/gas-price.htm), (click the link)no divine intervention, no philosophical meaning behind it. Just greedy CEOs and for-profit oil companies eager to make more and more money.

The best solution would be to make a non-profit oil company. One that distributes gasoline at 1 grade (Premium) therefore doing away with multiple trucks and unnecessarily long hours of converting the oil into 3 different grades of fuel. This non-profit company will then take the revenue and pay their employees and buy more barrels. If you take away the other 2 grades, then the work being done to make premium fuel is the only work necessary. Oil refineries would shut down earlier, and wouldn't use as much energy nor pollute as much.

But, sadly, this is just a dream. We live in a capitalist nation. Not a democracy, the only thing that has a true voice in this country is the all mighty dollar. If you have money, you're worth the governments time. If you're poor, they could care less. Banks have way too much leeway, and oil companies aren't held accountable.

Open your mind and quit relying on your faith to change things. The only thing that will change the price of gas is if we drive less. Supply and Demand...
The more we NEED it, the more expensive it becomes. Therefore, the less we need it, the less expensive it becomes. You are in control of your own life and destiny, not god...

Even if YOU don't drive, it will affect you by raising the cost of most everything because all goods are dependent upon oil in some way. Even if it is the transportation cost to get it to you.

Someone on the radio today said one of the goals of those in the government is to make gas prices so high that people will be forced to stop driving their own vehicles and use public transportation!
She said to fight back keep driving. The motivation behind these prices is both power and control. Calling your senators and congressmen/women may help. Let them know to let up on regulations regarding drilling and refining oil. These are prices manipulated by those in power.

I'm still praying for these prices to drop to under $3.00 a gal by Sept. without the economy collapsing. Feel free to join me in praying. There is power in prayer especially when more than one person is praying for something

Did you take economics in school?

If we stop driving, the price of gas goes down, supply and demand. If the price of gas goes down it becomes cheaper for, say, a corn farmer to run his equipment, therefore making the price of corn go down, and since corn is the basis of majority of our food, the price of food would go down. This would make the minimum wage either more desirable, or it would go down. If minimum wage goes down, the cost of living goes down... and so on from there, prices drop. Everything is dependent on gas, which means that if gas were cheaper, everything else would be cheaper, and how do you make gas cheaper? Diminish your need for it by driving less, carpooling, or using public transportation.
Also, public transportation stimulates the economy even further, creating better revenue for cities in order to use our tax money properly in fixing roads and all the other necessities. Even sometimes being able to fix buildings, parks, and public buses, etc. It's cheaper to buy a monthly bus pass than it is to buy 1 tank of gas for your car. They use natural gas, so it's more efficient. How is driving more the right answer? Driving more uses more gas, therefore increasing the demand for it, in turn making it less readily available, and harder to get, once more raising the price.
The solution, if you need to drive everyday, is to drive more efficiently, get your oil change routinely, change your air filters often, and get regular tune-ups so that your gas mileage is the best it can be.

Nice to see you again Maynard! What you said above is about the same as Athiests on another forum were saying to me in 2007, and the price of gas did go down without people driving less!

Supply and demand yes. I would like to see you comment on the studies that show how much oil there is to in the U.S. in places like Anwar, the Dakotas among other places, but the U.S. government wont allow drilling for it!!!!!

How about the 'bama recently cheering of Brazils efforts to drill for oil, while not allowing it here in our own country!!!!!

It's not just how much we drive. the supply IS there, those who want total control won't allow us access to it.:shakehead

I would like to see you comment on the studies that show how much oil there is to in the U.S. in places like Anwar, the Dakotas among other places, but the U.S. government wont allow drilling for it!!!!!

Granted, this is an obvious answer. Quit drilling over seas and drill here. However, we are drilling here in America. Drive through Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and you'll see places where they are pumping for oil. BUT, the vast networks of oil reservoirs they aren't tapping are under National Parks. Iraq, Iran... they're dictatorships with miles and miles of open land where there is nothing to preserve. They decided to deface their land and sell what was beneath it, not us. We took advantage of that because it's easier. There are people that would chain themselves to bulldozers just to see Joshua Tree Park be saved from drilling. It could also be strategic. In a sense that later on down the road when oil has been fully tapped from underneath the Middle East, we're the ones with the surplus, we're the ones with the golden belly. But no matter what, the government will not drill in these areas based on the National Park status. They spend too much money in tax payer dollars to keep these places looking nice for a reason. State revenue and economic stimulation through tourism.

Now I agree that the supply is there and oil companies want control over the surplus. I stated that in my previous post. But what you may not understand is, despite the fact that we have enough to go around, driving less would create a surplus. Now, if you took economics, you'd understand that a surplus is an above average amount of product.
(These are random numbers)
When it comes to oil, and if you read the article I linked, you'll notice that about 80% of a barrel of oil is turned into fuel. The other 20% goes to be refined for other fuels, engine oil, stuff like that.
So in terms of fuel, that 80% oil becomes a 100% amount of fuel/gasoline.
Say this 100% should last a gas station 2 weeks.
The more you drive, the faster the fuel goes from the gas station, therefore, if everyone is driving more, the gas leaves the station quicker. Meaning they need to refill sooner. The more they need to refill, the more they need to refine. The more they refine, the more they need to order barrels and the more they need to drill to fill those orders. This makes their 2 week supply last a week.
If you drive less, therefore using less fuel, the 2 week supply should last the full 2 weeks or more. If this happens, then they don't need to refill the pumps so often, in turn making less trips for fuel trucks, making the need for multiple barrels less, therefore diminishing our drilling needs. The fuel companies will get a surplus, this surplus will make the prices drop because they need to get rid of it quicker. If people aren't driving as much for a long period of time, then the oil companies get a new average and a new standard, which means they'll buy less in order to meet their standards. Surpluses are good for companies, but if they can avoid it, they will, because generally a surplus means that people aren't buying your product as much as you want.
Ultimately: Driving less = Less drilling.


How about the 'bama recently cheering of Brazils efforts to drill for oil
America would support anyone drilling for oil who didn't have the resources to previously. Brazil isn't drilling on land, they're drilling only in the Gulf. So are we, in several spots along the Gulf. Also, I reiterate that we're drilling in Texas. Texas is a big oil state. But Brazil is a beautiful country, and they won't drill on land either because they don't want to ruin their beauty. Same reasons for America not to drill in certain locations. Nobody lives in Alaska, and the only reason it became a state was so that America would have their own little oil land. Majority of people that live there work for oil companies.


What you said above is about the same as Athiests on another forum were saying to me in 2007, and the price of gas did go down without people driving less!

Prices of EVERYTHING fluctuate, just more so with oil. Also, I'm not an Atheist, I don't label myself anything because I simply don't know if there's a God, and I'm not one to say that one side is right or wrong. Me saying that God doesn't control gas prices isn't me being an Atheist, it's me being practical and logical. If prayer truly worked, there would be no war. Everyone would be rich, no one would have cancer, and nothing would be wrong. Prayer is a manifestation of positive thinking. Positive thinking and optimism is what keeps people sane, but ultimately leads them to be depressed due to disappointment. I don't believe that praying helps anything. Gas prices have been fixed for a barrel of oil and they won't drop below that fixed price. They can go up, but not below that fixed price. Be optimistic, but don't get your hopes up...

Well Maynard, asking people to drive less is like asking them to eat less, or use less fuel for heating, you can only cut back eating so far until your starve, cut back heating so far until you freeze. Some things are a necessity. And driving less wouldn't mean less drilling. When there was less driving in '07 the middle east INCREASED drilling for oil and brought the price down to increase their profits!

Also the price of gas at the biggest Costco in the world is currently down to $ 3.75 a gal and it looks like it will continue to drop! And no indication of a total economy collapse either!

If I dont agree with the religious belief of others - I ignore what they say, but dont I condemn anyone - as long as they respect my beliefs, and allow me my opinions. I believe in god in an abstract way, but not necessarily in any religion. You could say I believe in the human spirit, the part of it that is good anyway.

Anyway; there is Nobody in any government agency in this country who wants fuel prices to go high, unless it is some individual person who has invested their own personal money in energy company stocks, for all their life. (And ANYONE can buy energy company stock).
The price of gasoline (and other petroleum products) is set by global market forces (pretty much as Adam Smith described), and is really reasonable in the USA. Its higher in most countries, with the exception of a few countries that have it as their major export commodity; Arabia, Egypt, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, etc. Not to forget the two or three non-arab countries that have low prices, such as Venezuela. Though Im not sure the low price in Venezuela applies to folks who are not citizens of the country. In other words, I dont know if they sell it to foreign tourists for that same tiny price.
If we Americans would stop consuming million of barrels daily, or just cut back by 10% or 20%, the price of fuel would drop hugely. I dont see drivers going any slower; and I still see a lot of full size pickup trucks, with crew cab and air conditioners - carrying one person along the highway.
If you had enough money, you could invest in commodity futures like crude oil. You would need billions though, since the unit of sale in that commodity market is something in the millions of barrels of crude. And if crude oil goes up, you could make a fortune. You could lose it just as fast though.

Another question; how long before the price of a gallon of gasoline will -Always- be above $4 a gallon?

I fell that anyone who thinks the price of fuel is set by some greedy person or group somewhere, should take an adult education course in energy economics.



To quote; "Asking people to drive less is like asking them to eat less...." I should eat less, and drop about 20 or 30 pounds. Some things are a necessity - but being overweight, running the a.c. in your car, going 75 where the speed limit is 70, and being cozy warm in cold weather are NOT necessities.

If I dont agree with the religious belief of others - I ignore what they say, but dont I condemn anyone - as long as they respect my beliefs, and allow me my opinions. I believe in god in an abstract way, but not necessarily in any religion. You could say I believe in the human spirit, the part of it that is good anyway.
I allow people their opinions, but under what premise must I respect someones beliefs or else be condemned? Should a persons belief be respected if they believe Zeus is president of the U.S.?


If we Americans would stop consuming million of barrels daily, or just cut back by 10% or 20%, the price of fuel would drop hugely. I dont see drivers going any slower; and I still see a lot of full size pickup trucks, with crew cab and air conditioners - carrying one person along the highway. Yes and you still see a lot of 18 wheelers carrying the goods YOU want and need to your local stores so you can buy them.


Another question; how long before the price of a gallon of gasoline will -Always- be above $4 a gallon?

I fell that anyone who thinks the price of fuel is set by some greedy person or group somewhere, should take an adult education course in energy economics.
There has not been a significant rise in gas consumption in recent months or years, so there must be some other reason, I refer back to '07 when the Arabs increased production, after cutting production, and the price dropped!



To quote; "Asking people to drive less is like asking them to eat less...." I should eat less, and drop about 20 or 30 pounds. Some things are a necessity - but being overweight, running the a.c. in your car, going 75 where the speed limit is 70, and being cozy warm in cold weather are NOT necessities.How about the people who are NOT over eating and the people who already keep their heat below 65 F? The driving habits to increase gas mileage wont make a big enough impact on fuel consumption even if everyone was doing them, and many people are. where I drive the speed limit is 55-60 not 70

There has not been a significant rise in gas consumption in recent months or years, so there must be some other reason, I refer back to '07 when the Arabs increased production, after cutting production, and the price dropped!

So the economy impacted gas prices instead of a higher power? I respect your choice in praying for whatever suits your fancy, but this doesn't bode well for your typical point of view.


where I drive the speed limit is 55-60 not 70

I don't have a choice BUT to drive a minimum of 70 because that's the state-posted speed limit where I live. Would a speed limit of 55-65 be more fuel efficient? Of course, but my state opted for 70 as a minimum.

So the economy impacted gas prices instead of a higher power? I respect your choice in praying for whatever suits your fancy, but this doesn't bode well for your typical point of view.Why not? God is in complete control of the economy and what the Arabs do.

Arabs don't believe in God. I'm truly not trying to pick a fight, but they are working for Allah. Perhaps Allah is the one running the game?

Why not? God is in complete control of the economy and what the Arabs do.

God does not control our every move or what happens on Earth. I am a devout Christian who regularly attends church/reads the bible/etc.. God does not run the Earth or the people. He does not control the economy and certainly not what the arabs do. We ara all sinners and due to the sacrifice Jesus made as long as we choose him as our saviour we can come to the glory of God in heaven.

What happens on Earth is due to what happens on Earth, nothing else.

God does not control our every move or what happens on Earth. I am a devout Christian who regularly attends church/reads the bible/etc.. God does not run the Earth or the people. He does not control the economy and certainly not what the arabs do. We ara all sinners and due to the sacrifice Jesus made as long as we choose him as our saviour we can come to the glory of God in heaven.

What happens on Earth is due to what happens on Earth, nothing else.


"....for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. " Rev. 19:6

Does "omnipotent" here mean all-powerful or not?


Arabs don't believe in God. I'm truly not trying to pick a fight, but they are working for Allah. Perhaps Allah is the one running the game?

Well the Lord is the God of all gods, even Allah isn't he?
If the Bible is true, the Lord can turn the Arabs hearts in the direction he chooses to serve his purposes.

It's around 3.60 in Jersey

$3.72 at the largest Costco in the world now. That's down about 4c in the last 2 weeks.

Nashville is back down anywhere from $3.41 to $3.59 range... topped out around $3.80ish and it had stayed there for almost a month. I'm not holding my breath on seeing it stay low for very long.

Diesel and Premium where i live (tampa) are already at $4.10 and regular is changing everyday. but about 3.90-ish

Why not? God is in complete control of the economy and what the Arabs do.
still confusing, what are the relationship between gas and god :screwy:
every human or country can free set gas fare, and we only hope to god..

still confusing, what are the relationship between gas and god :screwy:
every human or country can free set gas fare, and we only hope to god..

Well, if God is in complete control of everything as the Bible says, then he also has control over the price of gas. The Bible tells us to lift our requests and burdens to him in prayer, that would include the burden of the high price at the pump!

Today gas is $3.70 at the largest Costco in the world. (Down 2 cents):)

The last time I crossed Tennessee was about two weeks ago. The speed limit minimums were sometimes 55 mph, sometimes not posted. Never saw any 70 mph minimum. This was on a drive from Bristol to Memphis, on several different roads, interstates and TN routes.'
We drove at 60-65 most of the time, a little slower where there was no traffic, or where the heavy traffic was slowing below 60 (Nashville and Memphis rush hours).

The last time I crossed Tennessee was about two weeks ago. The speed limit minimums were sometimes 55 mph, sometimes not posted. Never saw any 70 mph minimum. This was on a drive from Bristol to Memphis, on several different roads, interstates and TN routes.'
We drove at 60-65 most of the time, a little slower where there was no traffic, or where the heavy traffic was slowing below 60 (Nashville and Memphis rush hours).

All in and around Nashville on all the interstates is marked 70mph for the speed limit. Unless you were NOT on interstates, I promise you that I-65, I-40 and I-24 for a good hundred miles in any direction out from Nashville are posted at 70mph.

Lest we forget;

The record for the highest price was set 3 years ago (over $4.00/Gal). And who was in office? An oil guy named Bush. Who was the veep? An oil guy named Cheney, who was the Sec. of State? An oil gal with a tanker named after her.

Why should we be surprised?

I wish never but unfortunately that's not going to happen =(

Adam Smith is dead and gone, the Lord is alive and well.

Really it is quite evident to me that those in power, including the U.S. President, by their regulations and actions are artificially keeping the price of gas high.
This of course includes the thugs who control oil in the middle East.

The All-powerful Creator is still in control of it all!:smile:

If the All-powerful Creator is in control of it all, then it must have been His will that put President Obama in office. Are you supporting our President and God's will, or are you against them both?[/WINK]

If the All-powerful Creator is in control of it all, then it must have been His will that put President Obama in office. Are you supporting our President and God's will, or are you against them both?[/WINK]

From my study of history and the bible, God will allow corrupt and wicked rulers to lead a nation for the punishment of the sins of the nation, even though he is very displeased with the rulers and would rather have righteous leaders in place. Such is what I believe is the case with Obama being president of the U.S. ( the voters were foolish to vote him in, now they are reaping the consequences!):smooch: (Wink!)

From my study of history and the bible, God will allow corrupt and wicked rulers to lead a nation for the punishment of the sins of the nation, even though he is very displeased with the rulers and would rather have righteous leaders in place. Such is what I believe is the case with Obama being president of the U.S. ( the voters were foolish to vote him in, now they are reaping the consequences!):smooch: (Wink!)

So if Obama is a wicked and corrupt leader that God "allowed", would that mean he is punishing us? First of all, I thought God was all-forgiving and not vengeful. Second, What are the sins of our nation? Are you saying our nation has done wrong? Are you "apologizing" for the wrongs of our nation? What exactly are they? Could one of the sins be a war based on lies?

So now let's look at how this "punishment" went down...

Before Obama, our nation was losing 700,000 jobs per month. Now we are gaining, not as much as we hoped, but still a huge net gain when compared to the loss.

Before Obama, we have collectively lost half of our retirement savings, now over 70% is back.

Gas today may be high, thus the subject of this thread, but not as high as the record high of three years ago, again, before Obama.

If this is considered a punishment, I would encourage everyone to sin more! "wink!"

"....for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. " Rev. 19:6

Does "omnipotent" here mean all-powerful or not




Well the Lord is the God of all gods, even Allah isn't he?
If the Bible is true, the Lord can turn the Arabs hearts in the direction he chooses to serve his purposes.

well in the bible is comming true like nations will rise againts nation and earth quakes all true.

So if Obama is a wicked and corrupt leader that God "allowed", would that mean he is punishing us? First of all, I thought God was all-forgiving and not vengeful.This same God who is ready to forgive, (upon a persons repentance) also said "Vengeance is mine, I will repay...." Second, What are the sins of our nation? abortion (murder), theft, cursing, adultery, sexual immorality (Weinergate), lawlessness, oppression lying and deciet, (Obamacare) hatefulness, self-righteousness, just to name a few Are you saying our nation has done wrong?Yes Are you "apologizing" for the wrongs of our nation? This nation should repent in sackcloth and ashes What exactly are they? Could one of the sins be a war based on lies? How about lies based in war?


So now let's look at how this "punishment" went down...

Before Obama, our nation was losing 700,000 jobs per month. Now we are gaining, not as much as we hoped, but still a huge net gain when compared to the loss. Those figures have been disputed

Before Obama, we have collectively lost half of our retirement savings, now over 70% is back.Yours, maybe? Not most peoples

Gas today may be high, thus the subject of this thread, but not as high as the record high of three years ago, again, before Obama. Those responsible for the high price of gas back then are of the same mind and character as Obama

If this is considered a punishment, I would encourage everyone to sin more! "wink!"The results of Obamas (and other liberals) corruption hasn't been fully realized yet, but it will.

well in the bible is comming true like nations will rise againts nation and earth quakes all true.

Scrapper, were you drunk when you posted this?:lol2:

This same God who is ready to forgive, (upon a persons repentance) also said "Vengeance is mine, I will repay...." abortion (murder), theft, cursing, adultery, sexual immorality (Weinergate), lawlessness, oppression lying and deciet, (Obamacare) hatefulness, self-righteousness, just to name a fewYes This nation should repent in sackcloth and ashes How about lies based in war? Those figures have been disputedYours, maybe? Not most peoples Those responsible for the high price of gas back then are of the same mind and character as ObamaThe results of Obamas (and other liberals) corruption hasn't been fully realized yet, but it will.


Weinergate? What about Vittergate?, and "Hiking the appelachian Trail" and they guy in the airport men's room. At least the Dems demanded Weiner's resignation, and he just resigned. The fact is, the Repubes are still holding fundraisers for Vitter, and Vitter actually broke the law! The Repubes TALK about morality, but when its one of their guys they balk. When a Democrat does something wrong the Dem demand their resignation. So who is the more moral party?

Most people's retirement accounts are 401K's, which are invested in the markets, Amex & Nasdaq, ect. Before Obama, 1/2 the market value, and thus the 401k's were lost with values down to under 7000, now we're back up into the 12000's. Fact.

I can keep giving you facts but you return with opinions, like "Obamacare" and "Not most peoples" when you don't provide facts to back them up.

I should have know better than to bring facts to a discussion based on faith & opinion.

"Self-righteousness" ? That's a sin? Ever heard of a story about a pot and a kettle? [/WINK]

Weinergate? What about Vittergate?, and "Hiking the appelachian Trail" and they guy in the airport men's room. At least the Dems demanded Weiner's resignation, and he just resigned. The fact is, the Repubes are still holding fundraisers for Vitter, and Vitter actually broke the law! The Repubes TALK about morality, but when its one of their guys they balk. When a Democrat does something wrong the Dem demand their resignation. So who is the more moral party?

Most people's retirement accounts are 401K's, which are invested in the markets, Amex & Nasdaq, ect. Before Obama, 1/2 the market value, and thus the 401k's were lost with values down to under 7000, now we're back up into the 12000's. Fact.

I can keep giving you facts but you return with opinions, like "Obamacare" and "Not most peoples" when you don't provide facts to back them up.

I should have know better than to bring facts to a discussion based on faith & opinion.

"Self-righteousness" ? That's a sin? Ever heard of a story about a pot and a kettle? [/WINK]

You are missing the point here Alphabravo. The main reason I mentioned Weiner and Obama is because they are in the news, and their party is in power. Not that I intended to start an argument over party politics. Yes, Vitter, Craig, Foley and other disgraced Republicans should step down (most caught in scandals do) We are ALL guilty of any of these sins, not just Dem, Repubs, Christians or not.
This is really off topic.

I just checked, and the price of gas at the biggest Costco is now at $3.68 a gal.
Still dropping!

Scrapper, were you drunk when you posted this?:lol2:

no they keep saying theres no god a bull like that they posted today also.

Over a year later, the price still never dropped below $3.00. God hates you.