Revell Porsche 962C Rothmans info

Hi guys,
I am planning to build the Hasegawa porsche 962c reboxed by revell.
The decal sheet is very good in quality, but I suspect Revell made a little mess in the version.
According from what I know the car they boxed should be the le mans winner 1986, and the picture I have are for a long tail porsche, while inside the box there is the typical short version done by hasegawa.

So, to make a correct rothmans (using Racing instead of tobacco sponsor) shall I modify the tail into a longer version? Do u have any link to see the back of the long tail 962? I have only 956 back in my pics.

last question (for german friends). Is this 962 Rothmans racing the same long tail car used in the Nurburgring famous video?

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It should be a short tail, but is from 1983, so think is a 956 and not a 962,the same in this other video:

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thank u a lot for help, really dont wanna start and make at once a mistake.

If possible between le mans winner, and the legendary Stefan Bellof's Ringmaster all time record 6.11, I'd rather prefer to make Stefan car.
He made the record in 1986 few months before die, so surely he used a 962 and not a 956.

Hi Paolo

Yes, it is a bit of a mess :-)
The car Bellof drove at the Nuerburgring for the record lap in 1983 was a 956 shorttail, so the Revell/Hasegawa kit is wrong ( front is wrong, tail and "Racing" markings o.k. )
The kit is also wrong to depict a LeMans winner, because it's a shorttail and at LeMans the Porsche factory always used longtails ( as in the Tamiya 956 kit ). At LeMans the works Rothmans cars always used full tobacco markings and not "Racing".
So from the Revell kit you can't build any of the two cars correctly.

You could go and get a Tamiya 956 kit, transplant the Revell shorttail on it to get a Nuerburgring car with engine and in turn use the Tamiya engine cover on the Revell 962 to get a LeMans car without engine......:-)

That said... i don't know if the measurements of Revell/Hasegawa and Tamiya Porsche match. Among Tamiya 956 and 962 this is possible. Also the Revell 962 rear wheels might be too big ( i haven't checked ).

LOL, so is impossible to make both le mans (for tobacco decals ) and nurburgring car (different car).
Using revell 962 short kit so I could only change livery

:frown: revell is from germany, porsche is german, bellof was german iconic ultra fast legendary pilot. It is possible they didnt check beofre box it?Is a shame cause decals inside the box are wonderful and cartograf, but this way totally unuseful.

Do u know if this short 962 rothmans wothout tobacco did ever race somewhere?

jaykay is right, you'd have to mix&match parts to have the right bodywork for each car
i've seen a 962 trans kit listed somewhere, but i think was for a 1989 closed tail version

this registry might help, it lists which 956 & 962 cars won which race, by chassis number & livery
http://962.com/registry/956_962/index.htm

this & another registry list the winning car as chassis 962c-003 (blue windscreen banner): bell, stuck, holbert


not sure about the nurburgring car? there have been a few, and the one with Senna driving
1983 (1,000 Kilometre Race)
Jochen Mass/Jacky Ickx
Porsche 956
1984 (1,000 Kilometre Race)
Stefan Bellof/Derek Bell
Porsche 956
1985 (1,000 Kilometre Race)
Derek Bell/Hans-Joachim Stuck
Porsche 962C



http://www.racingsportscars.com/tn/photo/1986/TN_Le_Mans-1986-06-01-001.jpg
http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Porsche/86-Porsche-962-DV-10-WG-06.jpg

Hi Paolo

The works Porsches did race with "Racing" livery in some of the world championship races using the short tails as in the Revell kit. Here are some links ( that may not be all :-) :

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Hockenheim-1985-07-14.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Silverstone-1986-05-05.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Nurburgring-1986-08-24.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Nurburgring-1987-08-30.html

Revell may be german and should do the correct decal + kit combination for Bellof...but this is where reality kicks in :-) Nowadays they can't do full tobacco livery so that's a no go. They wouldn't/couldn't spend the money for new develpoment and tooling of a 956 shorttail either. Financially that doesn't work for them, so they just rebox what they can get and live with it. You have to consider that their market is mostly not with rivet counters like us. Most of their customers will be happy with the kit as it is. After all, they sell the same 962 kit with "Jaegermeister" graphics and call it a 956 as well....and mostly get away with it :-)

the point is that I would like to build a model straight from the box now, after finishing my Lancia.
Rothmans livery is always so nice, I also have the nice decal sheet by studio 27 but I'd rather prefer to use just one box.
Unfortunately seems the Bellof car I love is not coming with this model (I should make a combo for a short 956 with revell decal).

If anyway there are also just some few races where the revell car really raced I will anyway go for it (just cause really want a straight from the box C group model).The have a cartograf decal sheet that is very very nice in the box.
Seems revell made exactly the Silverstone car, and 1000 kmts of Nurburgring..so it is not a mistake or a phantasy car, thanks god.

Btw I also saw Revell made a 956 jagermeister, but I know they never reboxed any tamiya kit. Is that a 962? I dont remember the 956 jagermeister..just a 962, but maybe I am worng.
And tamiya 962 model is not so nice one, so think the best choiche for 962 remains anyway hasegawa kit,even if from mouldings it seems to me quite short in front end.

LOL,Looking the rothmans picture of real car here above I note the back of Tamiya 962c is pure fantasy..

http://multiply.com/mu/alsoldatino/image/1:soldatino/photos/139/600x600/15/SDC14585.JPG?et=2XSmrZ9dTwfVbhGMy7GY3w&nmid=383080988

The Tamiya kit and the Revell kit are accurate for 1988(Shell car) and later cars. The tail is like that because the rules were changed in 88. The new rule was the axle had to be on top of the diffuser. This was done to lower the diffuser height and take some of the ground effect away from the cars. The Rothmas car pictured is an IMSA spec 962 painted in Rothman's livery. The Rothman's cars ended in 1987. In other words you cannot build an accurate Rothman's 962 from the Revell or the Tamiya 962 as a Rothman's car.

good to know info :bigthumb: i remember the 89s being different, and there seem so many variations due to private entry cars

i too have always liked the rothmans-bell 86 LM winning car, it's etched in memory, like the nissan gtp and purple/yellow jags

here are a couple of links i found, was searching to find with pics
there are several listing ads for trans kits (m&s) but these are only with pics i found

could the 84 trans kit be used? it appears correct, used along with the decals you have already
http://www.mshobbies.com/servlet/Detail?no=1017
http://www.mshobbies.com/servlet/Detail?no=1102

here is another with several listed...bottom of page states a longtail 962 trans kit, fitting to tamiya kit
http://www.stradasportsstore.com/page91.html



The Tamiya kit and the Revell kit are accurate for 1988(Shell car) and later cars. The tail is like that because the rules were changed in 88. The new rule was the axle had to be on top of the diffuser. This was done to lower the diffuser height and take some of the ground effect away from the cars. The Rothmas car pictured is an IMSA spec 962 painted in Rothman's livery. The Rothman's cars ended in 1987. In other words you cannot build an accurate Rothman's 962 from the Revell or the Tamiya 962 as a Rothman's car.

The Tamiya kit and the Revell kit are accurate for 1988(Shell car) and later cars. The tail is like that because the rules were changed in 88. The new rule was the axle had to be on top of the diffuser. This was done to lower the diffuser height and take some of the ground effect away from the cars. The Rothmas car pictured is an IMSA spec 962 painted in Rothman's livery. The Rothman's cars ended in 1987. In other words you cannot build an accurate Rothman's 962 from the Revell or the Tamiya 962 as a Rothman's car.

Thank u so much for the exlpanation :thumbsup:
This means the correct rear 962 for Rothmans has to be done as in the real picture above.Will be a quite big work: looking carefully, not only the lower diffusor is different, but also the position of the entire upper wing and the mountings size/dimension.
The exhausts in Tamiya and Revell/Hasegawa models are on the lateral sides, here instead there is just a big one coming out from the rear.
I see will be too important to study carefully all the pictures used as reference.

I was in town yesterday and stumbled over a Revell "956 C Jaegermeister" kit for 10€ so i had to buy it :-) That is as i mentioned before the same kit as Paolos Rothmans car ( not a 956...). Checking the bodies a bit i can say that none of the kits is correct. If you just want an easy build take the Revell/Hasegawa because it looks reasonably well and you don't have to bother with that pesky molded in glass of the Tamiya.
The main issue of the Tamiya besides the glass is of course the shallow side radiator intakes. Because of them the bodywork starting from the front hood and running around the cockpit sides is wrong. The tail is also not correct. This has been optimized so the injection tooling will work with the molded in rearwing element.
The main issue with the Revell/Hasegawa is also at the front. It's too "high" and it's not really a high downforce front end that would be used at a sprint race. The bodywork ahead of the headlights needs correcting. The lower edge of the windscreen is too high, the A-post is too upright and in consequence the windscreen is too small and looks like it's sitting too high. To correct that some major plastic surgery ( pun intended :-) is necessary.
Also check the side panels. The Tamiya has an earlier version ( with vents ) than the Hasevell. The later's graphics are almost correct for the 1988 Shell factory cars from Le Mans...
There are more differences. If you want to build an accurate car you have to check all the details as you said :-)

LOL...I feel a little responsable for those 10 euros u spent today :loser:
Jagermeister kit has 4 wonderful BBS rims inside btw (used theme as donor for my Lancia), and the decal sheet is printed by cartograf

The Tamiya kit and the Revell kit are accurate for 1988(Shell car) and later cars. The tail is like that because the rules were changed in 88. The new rule was the axle had to be on top of the diffuser. This was done to lower the diffuser height and take some of the ground effect away from the cars. The Rothmas car pictured is an IMSA spec 962 painted in Rothman's livery. The Rothman's cars ended in 1987. In other words you cannot build an accurate Rothman's 962 from the Revell or the Tamiya 962 as a Rothman's car.

Yes, spot on. The diffusers trailing edge height was capped at 280 mm above the reference plane (bottom of car) starting in 1988. IMSA didn't adhere to that regulation, but if you ran Group C tunnels in IMSA you were allowed a 100 lb weight reduction.