ATTN: Asaenz
mentel
05-23-2003, 04:19 PM
Howdy pardner!
I'm sure this would benefit us all, but me mostly.
I'm heavily into drawing/sketching etc.
I do cars 95% of the time and I'm always stuck on the wheel well structure and creation of wheels/tires. Wondering if it's possible for you to post a little write up reply on how you create your wheels so stunningly. I know it's all about experience, but I've been drawing for over 5 years and the past 5 years I can never get the wheels right!
Here is an attached picture of what I am working on now, any help is appreciated!
http://www.photo-chop.com/shit/lexus.jpg
Yes, I realize my wheel well and wide body angles are off! I'll fix them later.
I'm sure this would benefit us all, but me mostly.
I'm heavily into drawing/sketching etc.
I do cars 95% of the time and I'm always stuck on the wheel well structure and creation of wheels/tires. Wondering if it's possible for you to post a little write up reply on how you create your wheels so stunningly. I know it's all about experience, but I've been drawing for over 5 years and the past 5 years I can never get the wheels right!
Here is an attached picture of what I am working on now, any help is appreciated!
http://www.photo-chop.com/shit/lexus.jpg
Yes, I realize my wheel well and wide body angles are off! I'll fix them later.
asaenz
05-23-2003, 10:48 PM
Well, I would graph the wheels, etc. on your reference photo. Then place a graph on your work. Use smaller graphs, grids for more detailed and precised rendering but do not go too small.
I use ellipse tools from Timely, for my wheels. I recently found a book that talked about free handing ellipses. I will post a small tutorial on that in a few days perhaps. But, the grid should greatly improve your wheels. We have a grid tutorial here in our forum.
If you can get your hands on the Thom Taylor book he talks about wheels. I think he does a good job, but has someone stated he does not talk well about using french curves.
I will get back with the tutorial on wheels soon. I will even show you how to take ellipse template and make an ellipse size you don't have by combining existing ellipse templates. Hey that sounds confusing :)
I hope I don't seem to vague. Let me know if I am.
al
I use ellipse tools from Timely, for my wheels. I recently found a book that talked about free handing ellipses. I will post a small tutorial on that in a few days perhaps. But, the grid should greatly improve your wheels. We have a grid tutorial here in our forum.
If you can get your hands on the Thom Taylor book he talks about wheels. I think he does a good job, but has someone stated he does not talk well about using french curves.
I will get back with the tutorial on wheels soon. I will even show you how to take ellipse template and make an ellipse size you don't have by combining existing ellipse templates. Hey that sounds confusing :)
I hope I don't seem to vague. Let me know if I am.
al
mentel
05-24-2003, 02:43 AM
I've searched hobby shops far and wide for these templates - either they don't have them, or the staff working there is too stupid to realize what I'm talking about.
Farting with the grid - Every single time I construct a grid it is NEVER equal squares and is all crooked, when i try to transfer the grid onto a new piece of blank it never turns out either. So, I'm reading up on alot more tutorials on how to do it and get it just right.
THanks though, I would really appreciate a tutorial!
Farting with the grid - Every single time I construct a grid it is NEVER equal squares and is all crooked, when i try to transfer the grid onto a new piece of blank it never turns out either. So, I'm reading up on alot more tutorials on how to do it and get it just right.
THanks though, I would really appreciate a tutorial!
asaenz
05-24-2003, 06:53 AM
Here ya go Mental.
T-991 SMALL ELLIPSE TEMPLATE
$6
T-92-A SET OF TEN
$39.00
These you have to buy separate they do not come in a set.
Ask Timely.
T-92- 80 degrees
T-92- 65 degrees
T-92- 70 degrees
T-92- 10 degrees
http://www.timelytemplates.com/f_ellipse/Tell_series.htm
I know they cost a bit but if you draw a lot of cars they are so helpfull.
Perhaps just perchase the set and get the individuals later.
One other thing the ellipse set mentioned above ranges from 3/8 in. to
2 1/2 in. on the major axis (long part of the ellipse) Thom recommends the smaller sizes like the set listed above, and them purchase larger ones 3in + later on. I like the 2 1/2 size max ellipses because I cannot really draw my cars any bigger because of the size of scanner I have access to which is 17x14 Ledger size. At time when drawing cars more head on you need larger ellipses but I will show you how to take the current ellipse set above and create larger sizes and even in between sizes. The small ellipse set T-991 I currently do not have but I wish I did. I just have not got around to buying. These are very very small ellipses for drawing center caps and lug nut holes and various other ellipese found at the center of rims. Another trick I have found is to draw the rim first and then free hand draw the tire by looking at the negative space between the edge of the rim and the edge of the tire. I have had great success with that because some of the tire detail is lost due to shadows and tire tucking under the fender wells.
al
T-991 SMALL ELLIPSE TEMPLATE
$6
T-92-A SET OF TEN
$39.00
These you have to buy separate they do not come in a set.
Ask Timely.
T-92- 80 degrees
T-92- 65 degrees
T-92- 70 degrees
T-92- 10 degrees
http://www.timelytemplates.com/f_ellipse/Tell_series.htm
I know they cost a bit but if you draw a lot of cars they are so helpfull.
Perhaps just perchase the set and get the individuals later.
One other thing the ellipse set mentioned above ranges from 3/8 in. to
2 1/2 in. on the major axis (long part of the ellipse) Thom recommends the smaller sizes like the set listed above, and them purchase larger ones 3in + later on. I like the 2 1/2 size max ellipses because I cannot really draw my cars any bigger because of the size of scanner I have access to which is 17x14 Ledger size. At time when drawing cars more head on you need larger ellipses but I will show you how to take the current ellipse set above and create larger sizes and even in between sizes. The small ellipse set T-991 I currently do not have but I wish I did. I just have not got around to buying. These are very very small ellipses for drawing center caps and lug nut holes and various other ellipese found at the center of rims. Another trick I have found is to draw the rim first and then free hand draw the tire by looking at the negative space between the edge of the rim and the edge of the tire. I have had great success with that because some of the tire detail is lost due to shadows and tire tucking under the fender wells.
al
asaenz
05-30-2003, 08:34 PM
Hi Mentel.
Sorry I have not done the wheel/ellipse tutorial yet.
Please check out this site.
http://www.sibleyfineart.com/index.htm?tipsndx.htm
go to 'ellipse'
I think this is a good tut or drawing ellipses free-hand.
I still plan on doing this for everyone.
My summer classes started and I have two certification tests to pass in June.
Please except my appologies.
Plus I have the tut on the skyline and I need to still finish it.
I just want to say I really enjoy being apart of this forum.
al
Sorry I have not done the wheel/ellipse tutorial yet.
Please check out this site.
http://www.sibleyfineart.com/index.htm?tipsndx.htm
go to 'ellipse'
I think this is a good tut or drawing ellipses free-hand.
I still plan on doing this for everyone.
My summer classes started and I have two certification tests to pass in June.
Please except my appologies.
Plus I have the tut on the skyline and I need to still finish it.
I just want to say I really enjoy being apart of this forum.
al
ChopinPorkChop
05-30-2003, 09:53 PM
I just want to say I really enjoy being apart of this forum.
i really enjoy you being apart of this forum also ;)
The tut is good.. changed my whole concept on things
i really enjoy you being apart of this forum also ;)
The tut is good.. changed my whole concept on things
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