Did I miss something? No AFMOTY 2010?

...please be gentle...

I don't think so. I've been on most every day since early oct. and haven't seen it.

It's about the time we get a thread like this one, and in a week we'll get more info from someone who has time to put it on. It's very intensive! I knew it was, but didn't realize just how much, until I tried and was unable to help a year or two ago. Here's hoping it happens, and much kudos to anyone who takes it on!

Nope not yet, last year it took a a bit too. I hope we will see it soon. I can collect votes like last year.

Also i could give up a model to the winner.

Don't let this tradition die!!

I'd be willing to help with the organization and votes count if my help is needed. And, of course, I'm going to participate if there should be AFMOTY 2010.

I think we would already know who wins the AFMOTY, if only he would finish it up ;)

We've been discussing this in the mod corner and the consensus is that we're all old and busy :(

Alex, I really appreciate your offer I think that it would be great if you could run this. Other mods, what do you think?

Paging Andy....

Paging Andy....

Yeah, sorry guys for not responding sooner. I've been busy lately.

I started a new job this fall (which has been just fantastic for me). But unfortunately, it means that I don't have the free time this month that it would take to do MOTY properly. I would very much like to see MOTY continue this year and into the future, but I simply cannot right now- I need to hand it off to someone else this year.

Alex, how ambitious are you feeling? Send me a PM?

Well...since I started I might as well volunteer :grinyes:

I also don´t have huges amount of free time, as none of us do.

Let me know how does the whole process work so I can try to help.

One idea may be to switch the MOTY to a "AF Year's Gallery".

In this case all the job is around how to do it, and anyone may help with ideas/discussion, than no managing work would be needed.

Now that seems like the uploading function works.... may be easy.


One idea may be do several categories, like on mod. contest.
I think much more people would partecipate in case of non-competitive way of MOTY.

One idea may be to switch the MOTY to a "AF Year's Gallery".

In this case all the job is around how to do it, and anyone may help with ideas/discussion, than no managing work would be needed.

Now that seems like the uploading function works.... may be easy.


One idea may be do several categories, like on mod. contest.
I think much more people would partecipate in case of non-competitive way of MOTY.


Gio, why fix what's not broken? MOTY is MOTY, if other type of contest/show is needed, we can always make one.

:1: I don't post much myself, but the MOTY contest is where THE best work is shown! :)

We've been discussing this in the mod corner and the consensus is that we're all old and busy :(

Alex, I really appreciate your offer I think that it would be great if you could run this. Other mods, what do you think?

I have no objections. :smokin:

We should have an announcement coming shortly. But meanwhile, keep working to get your entries ready....

I know you don't fix what isn't broke, but might it be easier on the organizer if everyone just had the one vote, instead of three? I remember when I was trying to help count votes, putting everyone's #1,2,3 vote in the right spot was the most time consuming aspect.

I like the idea, that Alex will running the show, if he get time.

Alex has decided to take on running MOTY this year- thank Alex!

But we still need some volunteers to help with vote counting. Voting will start in January, and run for about two weeks. We will need a couple of people who members can PM their votes to, who will count, correlate and report the vote counting. We're looking for people who ideally have been active on AF for a few years. If you're interested in helping out, please say so here or PM me. Again, we can't do MOTY without you.

Rules will be much the same as the last few years. Take your best pic of your best build that you finished in 2010. Make sure it is no larger than 800 x 600, and host it on Photobucket or Fotki. And make sure that you have an in progress or finished thread already on AF that you can link to.

MOTY will open for entrants soon- watch for instructions on how to enter. And please- if you've finished a build, submit it! MOTY is just for fun and bragging rights- and the more builds we have entered, the more fun it is. We ALL want to see your entry!!!

Thanks Andy, we also need few sponsors willing to donate few things for the prizes. I'll look through my closet and see if I have something cool for a prize. Don't have to be anything big or expensive, just model related :-) Also, if we get enough stuff as prizes, we might award first 5 finalists, or even more - so please plan on participating!

Im in if you guys need help. Ill count votes like last year. Also i can donate a prize to the winner. Hows a aoshima rx-7 sound to everyone?

BTW How does everyone feel about this topic? Should composite photos be allowed? A picture with more than one picture in it? I for one feel this actually gives some advantages to those people. It should be judged on a one main photo. Just my opinion and would like to see what you guys think.

If there's anything i can do I'll help. Let me know!
If necessary i can also donate a kit. I think i have a spare 1:20 McLaren MP4/5B :-)

IIRC we had composite pictures in previous AFMOTYs. I don't see a reason why not to accept them but if anyone thinks that puts non-photoshoppers at a disadvantage leave them out. After all there should be a WIP thread with numerous pictures for each entrant anyway.

Great people! This is awesome news.

This is a tradition that we should try a just bit to keep because it´s so good for our beloved hobby.

I am not incredibly active in writing, but I am around here everyday.

I can be in a sort of "reserve"...if by the time sending in votes starts, there is a shortage of people, count me in.

Thanks

Composite pictures will be allowed, just like in previous contests. I don't see a reason not to do it, if they fit in the picture of allowed size.

Thanks to Klutz_100 and MidMazar who have volunteered to help with vote counting this year. MOTY 2010 is on!

We have allowed composite images before. In my observation, MOTY has always rewarded photography skills first and building skills second- but composite images rarely if ever get more votes. The real practical limitation that we have is that it would be nearly impossible for us to outlaw photoshopping of images- we certainly don't have the resources to police that sort of thing. So to keep things manageable, photoshopping including composite images have been allowed.

As for a change for this year, Alex has suggested going from 800 x 600 to 1024 x 768 pixels for max image size. We originally used the 800 x 600 standard because that was the maximum image size that could be hosted on AF (how many of you remember when AF provided image hosting? :rolleyes:) By now, it's probably safe to assume that most people have sufficient screen size and bandwidth capacity to support larger images. So unless we have serious objections, I say we give larger images a try this year.

Any other thoughts or proposals before we kick things off?

I'll offer up some building supplies.

Thanks guys you're great!!

On my side, I sadly seen that I haven't yet finished models for the 2010! LOL I was quite hit by that!

BUT I have several nearly finished models (BTW have the models to be started in the '10? With my build speed...) so I guess I have to focus on one and rush...

I would be happy to offer three TK: a RB26engine, a full Porsche 356 TK (engine's fins+standard PE) and a standard P356 PE TK. As far I remid some of the prize I offered last MOTY wasn't claimed, so would be fun for me to offer my prizes in the following way, in order to have motivated winners:

- RB26dett engine for the first all-Japan subject (the Japan job with more votes).
- Full P356 TK for the first German subject.
- P356 PE set for the 2nd German subject.

This if anyone would agree, anyway any other solution would be OK :D

Obviously in case I win best Jap build (OK, almost impossible but...) the prize would come to the 2nd ;)

Hello guys,

It´s great to hear that AFMOTY will continue!!.. i´m moderator of a brazilian modeling forum called Small-Dreams and i´m organizing a contest just like AFMOTY, actually it was based on AFMOTY contest, but i changed some things that i believe it helps to simplify the voting process, for instance:

Votes are not sent by PM to a single person, what i did was, i opened a thread where i posted the photos of the participants models
Users post their votes on this thread.

It also helps to keep the integrity, anyone can count the votes.

I also created an excel spreasheet who helps me to count the votes, i just need to put the name of the person who voted and the cars choosen.

I don´t remember how is the score card on AFMOTY, but on SD we define a score card like this:

1st - 10 points
2nd - 7 points
3rd - 5 points

If you guys needs, i can send the spreadsheet for your analysis, believe me this is the easier and reliable way to do the counting.

I don´t usally post to much but i´m here for a long time and i´m a regular user, if you guys need some help, i believe i can give a little hand.

If anyone wants to check how things are going on SD Show Off just click on the link below:

http://www.small-dreams.com/Forum/viewforum.php?f=80



Regards

I can offer the following prize to the winner:

1 set 1/24 scale resin wheels for Ferrari 512 Berlinetta Boxer / Ferrari 365 GT4 BB
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1 set 1/24 scale resin wheels for Ferrari 512i Berlinetta Boxer

PS: I hope this motivates a few more people to take part.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30632970@N08/5244108634/http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5243511469_b892274422_m.jpg http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5210/5243511607_4a5e0d183d_m.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30632970@N08/5244108634/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30632970@N08/5243511469/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30632970@N08/5243511671/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30632970@N08/5243511607/

I'm not really convinced that prizes add much to MOTY. Granted I've never won anything myself- but I've also never really gotten the impression that prizes really do increase the number of participants. I could be entirely wrong, and I'd be curious to hear opinions. But I will say that happily, when MOTY finishes this year, it's not going to be me that handles prize distribution. :grinno:

I would also be curious to hear ideas/opinions on voting, particularly on how votes get assigned. Voting is a real effort to keep track of, so I wouldn't really be in favor of anything that makes things harder on our volunteers. But there has been talk in years past of changing things a bit, like giving each member 5 points to distribute as they choose (so you can give 1pt each to your five favorites, or give 5 points to your one most favorite).

On the other hand if it isn't broken....

I'm not really convinced that prizes add much to MOTY.
:iagree:
At the most, just a first prize for the winner. But whatever....

But I am also glad I just have to count the votes and not handle prize distribution :D

:2cents: on the vote issue.

I'm in favor of the "old" system - i.e. pick your favorite three entries, rank them in to your preferred 1-2-3 in order.

However, I kind of like the new F1 system with bigger value differentiation between them e.g. 10 points for 1st place, 6 points for 2nd place and 4 points for 3rd place.
The upside is that it could encourage voters to think a little longer about how they distribute their votes. The only downside I can see is that the "old"points system could potentially keep it a closer race right to the end whereas with an F1-like system, we could possibly see a strong entry break out into a large lead early on (but then it would probably win anyway :D)

As in previous years, I am NOT an enthusiast of keeping entries anonymous. I think all entries should be credited to the member form the start. I have yet to see an AFMOTY winner that did not deserve to win the title on merit alone. "Popularity" has never played a role IMHO

No, I am NOT in favor of different categories etc. All genres should go into the same bag.

I am NOT in favor of giving on-going updates on the scores. Keep it a surprise until the end.

YES the majority of entries and votes will all be made at the last minute (or probably 10 minutes past the deadline :lol:)

And finally, to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, IMO only entries with a WIP that has been posted on AF should be allowed :D
I am by nature a idealist and I think WIP-ing is the core of a forum and that sharing knowledge and experience is the heart of a hobbyist community and what we should ALL be doing. A WIP is the highest expression of that contribution and participation . The AFMOTY can be a way to encourage that.
Lurking on the forum for 364 days a year and then hoping to win a competition on day 365 without contributing to knowledge sharing should be outlawed :rofl: (after all, it's not that hard or time consuming to snap a few photos and write a few words about what you did and why :P )
(also a WIP link allows everyone to judge an entry more on merit rather then just photography skills ;) )

over and out :)

Counting the votes is certainly the most difficult part, that's why I rather offer a prize to the winner.

I always wondered why isn't the vote counting done automatically through a poll in the AFMOTY thread? This would eliminate the need for keeping track off and counting and re-counting votes.
It should be done such that the results will be visible only after the voting process ends. Also only members that registered more than 1 month ago should be allowed to vote.

Just an idea that could simplify the whole process, IMHO.

I always wondered why isn't the vote counting done automatically through a poll in the AFMOTY thread?

We tried on the ITA forum (vbullettin based) for the '11 contest (GroupC theme) and the poll allowed just 10 items.....
Dunno know if AF is seetd up for more choices or if it's a SW limitation.

Counting the votes is certainly the most difficult part, that's why I rather offer a prize to the winner.

I always wondered why isn't the vote counting done automatically through a poll in the AFMOTY thread? This would eliminate the need for keeping track off and counting and re-counting votes.
It should be done such that the results will be visible only after the voting process ends. Also only members that registered more than 1 month ago should be allowed to vote.

Just an idea that could simplify the whole process, IMHO.

i always wondered about that i think it was done to keep people outside of AF from voting

anyone have a link to 2009 of this, so to check it out?
thx

anyone have a link to 2009 of this, so to check it out?
thx
I think that Search Button might have one. Try asking him :)

Then you guys question to yourselves, why people are not participating on AF... MOTY.. etc... i gave some options on voting, on how to compute votes, etc, and was kind of ignored...

It is ok.. i was just trying to help, made my part.. but that´s ok.. keep on this way.. you guys are on the right way...

Official AFMOTY 2010 thread is now posted, and AFMOTY is open for entries. Good luck everyone.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1056137

Thanks!
Alex

anyone have a link to 2009 of this, so to check it out?
thx


ask and you shall receive (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1056141).


With regards to entries.
I've always thought that a lot of reluctance to enter by some is because of the massive range of people we have here, each at a different level of "skill" so to speak.
As such, the relative newbie or even the guy with some teething issues with his paint is always going to look at the top guys and think "maybe not this year...".

Is there anything that can be done this year, or next that can make this more of a display of what ALL of us have produced as well as a competition of sorts?
Perhaps the simple way is to have something else along side this called AF Year End Gallery or something...

This was my thought also DM.

But I want consider another viewpoint now: AFMOTY was created and repeated to keep up hi-energy, motivation, passion, knowledge: Alex wrote something about contest' motivations in his intro; thinking at that I must say IT WORKS! It ever been great since the first time I joint five years ago, but last edition, despite we miss Phil's "drive", was impressive and probably globally the best: a lot of entries and a global quality that I NEVER seen on a contest, when you normally see masterworks aside decent builds.

What I meant is that novices would get motivation and passion from advanced mod. also if they don't feel to partecipate. We all feel sometime some energy-less in the forum: few updates, discussions, less of top-builds: this time of the year with the MOTY is not one of those annoying moments ;)

With regards to entries.
I've always thought that a lot of reluctance to enter by some is because of the massive range of people we have here, each at a different level of "skill" so to speak.
As such, the relative newbie or even the guy with some teething issues with his paint is always going to look at the top guys and think "maybe not this year...".

Is there anything that can be done this year, or next that can make this more of a display of what ALL of us have produced as well as a competition of sorts?
Perhaps the simple way is to have something else along side this called AF Year End Gallery or something...

:iagree:

There should be a thread almost like a meet thread started each year and also added to the meets section. Then it could be closed first of the next year. I really like this idea!!


As for the entries i also agree with most of you guys. But mainly with drukenmonkey as many fellow modelers know that they stand no chance so they don't enter. But hopefully people just enter for pure fun.

For the voting i feel maybe it should be open for a longer period of time, and maybe thats why we dont get as many votes as we should.

I'm glad to see the tradition continue.

For the prizes i believe since we have so many this year we should disperse them with 1st,2nd and 3rd place. And maybe we might get more people to enter.

And finally gio maybe you can scatter those prizes your giving away to the top three? Im going to give an aoshima rx-7 to the winner.


Good luck to all and please do enter!!

Would it be ok to pick one random entry for a prize? I am willing to give up a set of Hobby Design wheels for one random entry not in the top prize earning spots. Is that ok? Does that seem like that might help participation?