I have an IDEA!!!

I have an idea about how to setup a turbo that may very well change the entire turbo design and could put superchargers out of the picture almost completely.

Think about this!!!

- No lag while wating for the Turbo to spool.
- Also you'd be able to turn the Turbo on when ever u want the extra horsepower or u can leave it off if you need your car to be more gas efficent.

And no I'm not talking about an Electric Turbo.

The only thing is I need to get my idea designed and patend.

Maybe I can tell u about the design later after I have it patend and sold to a major company.

TURBONETICS, Greddy, HKS here I come.

P.S.
I know u proably think I'm crazy but hey we'll see.

When I see it I'll believe it...

How are you going to accomplish no lag?
I can see the thing about only using it when you want to.

I just wrote up a summary and now all I have to do is find a way of patenting it.

Thanks for letting us have the cake...now are you going to let us eat it soon?

I think lagless turbos are out there for f-1 cars but its been done i think blanceing them and stuff sounds cool i wanta know.

You wrote up a summary? Do you have any idea of what your doing? lol....most inventions need detailed diagrams etc. now a little wireup.

I think it's a great idea. "Idea" being the key word. It would be no fun if your "idea" went through-because that would be a perfect turbo-and then there probably wouldn't be anything to complain about! :) I hope you go through w/ it and keep us in mind if you do! I'm always up for trying new stuff!

Let me hear it ;p i can't wait. Give us a hint ;p

Being able to switch it on and off seems like a fairly reasonable idea. I don't mean to shit in your cereal or whatever, but I can almost guarentee you that the idea has been considered before by engineers and I am sure there is a reason that they did not pursue it. Maybe because if you want to save gas, then DON'T BOOST. You can easily drive around town without boosting, just don't go around slamming down the gas all the time. And as for the turbo lag, Ace is right in saying that they have been in use on some racecars. However Garrett just released their new model that boasts vitually no lag, check out this months edition of Turbo Magazine. It is the GT40Rand can support up to 700 hp. Be mad a Garrett, not me.

Originally posted by PWMAN
How are you going to accomplish no lag?


It has already been achieved.....
There are several teams in motorsports that have achieved a zero-lag turbo......

Originally posted by Ace$nyper
I think lagless turbos are out there for f-1 cars but its been done i think blanceing them and stuff sounds cool i wanta know.

F1 cars don't use turbos.
Many of the WRC teams use a lagless turbo though.....

Originally posted by freakray


F1 cars don't use turbos.
Many of the WRC teams use a lagless turbo though.....


well the wrc turbo is not lagless per se but the misfire system they use virtually eliminates lag....along with destroying your turbo though


the only lag less turbo that i know of is the garret one with the built in electrical engine that keeps it spooled up

Originally posted by Neutrino



well the wrc turbo is not lagless per se but the misfire system they use virtually eliminates lag....along with destroying your turbo though


the only lag less turbo that i know of is the garret one with the built in electrical engine that keeps it spooled up

I admit it isn't lagless per se, but I wouldn't call it a misfire system either....they inject unburnt fuel directly into the exhaust to keep the turbo spooling at a high speed throughout the complete rev range.

Originally posted by freakray


I admit it isn't lagless per se, but I wouldn't call it a misfire system either....they inject unburnt fuel directly into the exhaust to keep the turbo spooling at a high speed throughout the complete rev range.

its the japanese that call that way.....so i just used their therm...but you are right abough how it functions

My bad about saying F1 i know it was done somewhere and for some reason when i posted i thought that.

can someone explain to me how injecting unburnt fuel into the exhaust keeps a turbo spooled?

and how much is that gt40r gonna be you think?

Originally posted by 94tegRS
can someone explain to me how injecting unburnt fuel into the exhaust keeps a turbo spooled?

and how much is that gt40r gonna be you think?

actually from what i understand that unburn stuff will burn into the exaust manifold and spin the heck out of the turbo.....did i mention it will destroy it too very fast......but what to those rich WRC guys care

your "idea" has already been done. its called a hydrocharger. it uses a hydraulic pump for exhaust side of the turbo. it has less parasitic drag than a super charger, and no spool up becasue of exhaust restriction.

Originally posted by Neutrino


actually from what i understand that unburn stuff will burn into the exaust manifold and spin the heck out of the turbo.....did i mention it will destroy it too very fast......but what to those rich WRC guys care

Neutrino is correct, that is how it works.

The WRC car's turbo only has to last the rally specifically, but they are also made of higher grade alloys which are better able to withstand the abuse they get dished out.

Originally posted by 91civicDXdude
your "idea" has already been done. its called a hydrocharger. it uses a hydraulic pump for exhaust side of the turbo. it has less parasitic drag than a super charger, and no spool up becasue of exhaust restriction.
i was waiting for someone to mention this. it can also boost a hell of alot more. there's a write up about the hydrocharger in one of the new mags.

Who told you that f1 cars don't use turbos, how do you think they accomplish over 800whp? DER...

Originally posted by 4bngr
Who told you that f1 cars don't use turbos, how do you think they accomplish over 800whp? DER...


i'm sorry but you are way off.....F1 cars used turbo's in the late 80's they were banned since then...too much power.....they are even limited to only 3.0L displacement....they get power however by reaching 14K-19K RPM

Yea, yea, sorry, your right, i remember seeing some of the new ones and went, "where the hell is the pop off valve" I can see how revving to 14k w/ a turbo is madness. I think its funny to look at the old early 80's f1 cars and look at how friggin big the wastegates were. Back then they didn't know jack about technology and effiency. some of them where about 4-5 inches in diameter

can you imagine if today they were alowed turbo's:eek: they would be making like 2000Hp

I can imagine it, and I can even see some fool doing it... the F1 racecars now make about 1000HP, and in a lightwieght frame with only 1 driver that's some freaking serious power... I'd give my right eye to get on one of those cars for a few laps...

Originally posted by killah_xft
I can imagine it, and I can even see some fool doing it... the F1 racecars now make about 1000HP, and in a lightwieght frame with only 1 driver that's some freaking serious power... I'd give my right eye to get on one of those cars for a few laps...

yeah but only with your left eye you'll probably run into somthing since you cannot see well;)




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If they were allowed to use turbos today, they would have to rethink chassis design and materials, that would be way too much power for the current design, can you imagine seeing one accelerate and just snap the frame?! That would be bad. Also, I don't think the tires could take it, you'd have to pit every 3 laps for fuel and tires. But it'd be bad to see it run in a staright line.. Like a low 6 high 5 1320!

Originally posted by ssshhhh (_burn_)

i was waiting for someone to mention this. it can also boost a hell of alot more. there's a write up about the hydrocharger in one of the new mags.

Yeah, it was Sport Compact Car, great article by the way!

As for being able to switch the turbo off, I would love to know how you plan to do that without a huge amount of power loss. That is like having a huge vacuum leak. I would also love to see your design because with current designs it would be impossible.

Originally posted by Neutrino


yeah but only with your left eye you'll probably run into somthing since you cannot see well;)




:p
LMFAO

Well, since your engineering dreams came crashing down, you could always be a literature teacher with your fantastic grammer! :cyclops:


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