rumors

i dont know if anyone here heard about this yet..., but just search at the internet..., but theres rumors going around about a camaro coming back in 2005 with a new redesign and everything and in late 2005 or 2006 maybe even the new firebird...

from what i read i guess theres a very small possiblity of it even being FWD which would suck!!! but i could of just goten confused...,

anyone else here anything else on this...

ya i heard about it. it looks ugly as fuck. ill keep mine thankyou very much. they should've brought back the 69 style camaros. they were hot!

ugly...? have you actually seen what it might look like.., if so then can you post some links or pics pls...

A new Camaro will indeed be out as early as 2004 - this was known by some people before the 4th Gen were even disco'd. They needed to put the F-bodies on hiatus for a year or two and come back with an all new platform and design - in addition, they also wanted to get the plant out of St.Theresse, Quebec.

New Camaro definitely on the way. New Firechicken/Tranny? I hear that the upcoming GTO will replace those models - but not forever.

And speaker of GTO, there is an LS1-derived V8 car in Australia from GM right now that apparently is what the new North American GTO is going to be based on. Looks like a cross between a Grand Prix and a Sunfire if you ask me. I'm positive its RWD.

ive seen what the new camaro is most likely goin to look like. but it was in a magazine. anyone ever hear of motortrend? they had an article. showed what it was supposed to look like. i dont like it.

ohh... could you scan the image pls i wanna see...

it was a really old issue. before they cut the line. check www.motortrend.com they should have stuff there about it. i hope. cause i dont have a scanner :(

yeah your rite they gota article about it...

FIFTH GEN CAMARO (http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied/112_0109_futcamar/)

i dont see what looks so bad about it in that blue and white drawing...

Too many people can't let it go, the F-body is gone and even if they do decide to bring it back it will probably at least 5 years from now. Give it a rest all these concept pictures are bullshit.

If they ever did bring the Camaro back it would be just like it always has been. You really think Chevrolet going to make it fwd? They considered that back in the 80s when designing the third generation, it didn't happen. They know what will sell and it will be like this: standard V6 model, Z28 V8 version, and SS V8 version.

I would also expect a newer Camaro to be shorter in the front like the 60's models as well. They got lots of complaints about how long the front ends were from people to magazines. Most likely they will take the hint and change that, mainly because that effected sales.

i agree. the blue one does look nice and i thank GM if they would make that one because it has chrome! its not some painted P.O.S. like some of the newer ones were. dont get me wrong, i still love the newer camaros like mine, i just wish they had chrome.

If you go to GMInsiders.com there was an article about the next generation. Nothing has been set for the 5th gen, but Lutz basicly said the camaro is commming back. He said they are working on a new RWD V8 platform, hmmm what could it be. All the drawing you see are artist rendentions of what they (the artist) think the next gen will look like.

If you want the real scoop on the next generation. Read message boards like LS1.com, camaroz28.com, or LS1tech.com, and wait for Scott Settlemire, the "FBODFATHER" to post. Then you'll know the truth.

damn black. thats a sweet ass ride. what you runnin in the quarter?

Folks:

I'm sure you don't want to hear this, but there are no current plans for a new Camaro, and definitely not a new Firebird. The Camaro will, most likely, come back. The earliest it could possibly return would be 2007 or 2008, but there are no plans yet.

Those pictures in magazines....all guess work. There is no Camaro program. It definitely will not be out in 2004 or 2005.

Sorry.

The Holden Monaro is what the new GTO is based off of, not vice versa. The Monaro has been around for a while now, would not hesitate at owning one myself...

Originally posted by grandprix92
damn black. thats a sweet ass ride. what you runnin in the quarter?

Thanks. But as far as times, thats for me to know and the unassuming to find out. ;) 13.9 when stock.

Originally posted by grandprix92
ya i heard about it. it looks ugly as fuck. ill keep mine thankyou very much. they should've brought back the 69 style camaros. they were hot!

No that is stupid, then real 69' camaros wouldnt be worth anything, if the new cars look EXACTLY like htem

The new Camaro?? Found this website this morning, found it quite interesting, if this is the new camaro.. its awesome

http://hp-car.com/2005.html

i dont like it...

wow, people are slow on the uptake, all those are artists independent, as in seperate from GM, takes on the possible direction the fifth gen would take IF gm makes it. but gm has no current plans, certainly not for 2004 or 2005 to make the camaro, if they did, they would be pushing it, like the new corvette, to be released in 05.

It seems like GM in general has their head stuck up where the sun don't shine. The basically killed the Camaro to put out that extremely ugly SSR pick-up yuck. And how about the SS silverado, they can't even make that right. Come on an all wheel drive extended cab high performance pick-up. It should have been a regular cab 2 wheel drive short box with a 8.1 in it. (and not cost as much as a corvette). I'm a die hard Chevy guy but I think Dodge and Ford are going back to their roots. Look at the new ford mustang it looks like it came from the 60's. And then there is GM coming out with a pick-up that looks like one from the 40's. Didn't they learn anything from the Plymouth Prowler, that was a joke.


The Mustang has no competition anymore. GM should come out with a Camaro that looks like a 1st gen but also has modern lines. And don't get me started on the new GTO, just because it has a LS1 in it doesn't mean it is all that great. Where is the fricken hood scoop?

the mustang does have competition, its called the 350z :smile:

Well, for that matter the entire Jap World... but it has no real competition. I mean like an evil twin competitor thing

but if you look at it from a rear wheel/front engine stand point and similar price range the 350z is in my opinion the closeist thing to competition the mustang has at this point, and to be honest i beleave it out does the stang in various performance areas. Including handling, power to weight ratio doing so with a v6 NA.

erf not this again. look the camaro wont come back untill at least 2007 OR 2017 cant rememebr whitch one. but thats only if they reopen the plant in canada. and if the camaro does come back everyone ive talked to says it wont be the same body. the f-body is gone saddly. i really hope they do come back. show the rustang whos boss ^.^

“The Camaro Is Real”

When General Motors announced that the 2002 Camaro would be the last Camaro built enthusiasts were left wondering and asking themselves “why?” Sales plummeted toward the end of the 4th generation’s run and the car was seen more as a niche vehicle, only running on one shift in a plant that supported some hundreds of thousands of cars per year.

The GM press release read that the Camaro was to take a “hiatus” with no mention of a release. This tricky wording was quickly picked up by GM fans and enthusiasts and speculation began running wild as to when the Pony car would return. We have the details. We know when it is set to return, and we will share the information that we have with you.

Fellow C&G member AH-HA started the speculation almost one year ago today. On April 19th, 2003 he informed us that the Camaro would be around in 2007 just in time for the “anniversary party.” He was right. The Camaro is infact going to be built once more.

Styling


C&G got a scoop on the Camaro’s design from C&G member EVOK. The new Camaro is set to feature a mixture of every generation of the Camaro, right down to the hood scoop that comes from the 4th generation SS. While stying and engineering are nearly complete Crispeys rendition (seen above) has been confirmed to be 85% what the new Camaro will look like. The Camaro team have not yet made a final decision on the front end of the new Camaro and ideas are still being accepted for what the front could look like. Crispey’s rendition features:


http://www.ultimatesimcentral.com/crispey/evoks-camaro-4.jpg


1) Roof of the 1968
2) Front fenders of the 1998 where the fender line sweeps into the mirror
3) Side of the 1999 Nomad.
4) Merge all three together to form the front end.
5) Trunk of the 1968
6) General theme of the vehicle should be the 1968.
7) Windshield raked like the 1998 but the vehicle is more upright and coupe like as in the 1968.
8) More like the Essence of the 68 with a thinner c-pillar.
9) The 99 Nomad like wheel

I must stress that the Camaro’s design could change from what Crispey has come up with, but this is generally the look the Camaro will have with a few tweaks here and there. As of right now, the car is more then just a drawing on a board and we’ve heard from quite a few sources that the car is in clay form.

Architecture/Release

Look for the 5th generation coupe Camaro to debut in 2008 based on the Zeta architecture. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control. The convertible variant is set to debut a few months to a year after the initial coupe debut. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control.

Trim Levels/Powertrain

Perhaps the biggest piece of news that we’ve obtained about the 2008 Chevrolet Camaro is the trim levels and powertrain that will power the icon. Look for a base V6 model an SS model and a highly powerful “balls to the walls Z/28 that will return the Z/28 back to its roots.” The Z/28 model is not expected for release until 1-2 years after the Camaro makes its return.

The base V6 is expected to be powered by the HV 3.9l V6 while the base SS engine is expected to be the Gen IV 5.3l V8. Our sources were tight lipped about power on the Z/28 model, but would only say that the SS will be “very fast, and the Z/28 even faster!” We’ve also been told that the Z/28 will be more of a “Z06, top of the line” type Camaro. AWD has also been mentioned as being part of the powertrain equation. Although no final word has been made on that.

Build Location

How does an American made Camaro sound? Well rumors we’ve heard from a few sources indicate that the Zeta Architecture’d Camaro may be built at GM’s plant in Hamtramck, Michigan. We have also heard that the Camaro may be built in Canada in GM’s Oshawa assembly plant located up north.

While we are on the discussion of Zeta relating to the Camaro it would only be fitting to share our news about its mate the Pontiac Firebird. As of right now there are no plans to include a Firebird platform mate on the Zeta architect. Instead the Pontiac GTO will be built on the Zeta platform and will stick around as Pontiac’s RWD performance coupe.

but if you look at it from a rear wheel/front engine stand point and similar price range the 350z is in my opinion the closeist thing to competition the mustang has at this point, and to be honest i beleave it out does the stang in various performance areas. Including handling, power to weight ratio doing so with a v6 NA.


350z is a low 14 sec car
Mustang depending on which one can be a mid 12 sec car

Wheres the competition?

MY Pontiac Grand Prix GTP is trying to keep up with those mustangs!
and it has 4 DOORS!

grand prix, huge props on the sig pic. thats a tight shot, brings a tear to my eye...

“The Camaro Is Real”

When General Motors announced that the 2002 Camaro would be the last Camaro built enthusiasts were left wondering and asking themselves “why?” Sales plummeted toward the end of the 4th generation’s run and the car was seen more as a niche vehicle, only running on one shift in a plant that supported some hundreds of thousands of cars per year.

The GM press release read that the Camaro was to take a “hiatus” with no mention of a release. This tricky wording was quickly picked up by GM fans and enthusiasts and speculation began running wild as to when the Pony car would return. We have the details. We know when it is set to return, and we will share the information that we have with you.

Fellow C&G member AH-HA started the speculation almost one year ago today. On April 19th, 2003 he informed us that the Camaro would be around in 2007 just in time for the “anniversary party.” He was right. The Camaro is infact going to be built once more.

Styling


C&G got a scoop on the Camaro’s design from C&G member EVOK. The new Camaro is set to feature a mixture of every generation of the Camaro, right down to the hood scoop that comes from the 4th generation SS. While stying and engineering are nearly complete Crispeys rendition (seen above) has been confirmed to be 85% what the new Camaro will look like. The Camaro team have not yet made a final decision on the front end of the new Camaro and ideas are still being accepted for what the front could look like. Crispey’s rendition features:


http://www.ultimatesimcentral.com/crispey/evoks-camaro-4.jpg


1) Roof of the 1968
2) Front fenders of the 1998 where the fender line sweeps into the mirror
3) Side of the 1999 Nomad.
4) Merge all three together to form the front end.
5) Trunk of the 1968
6) General theme of the vehicle should be the 1968.
7) Windshield raked like the 1998 but the vehicle is more upright and coupe like as in the 1968.
8) More like the Essence of the 68 with a thinner c-pillar.
9) The 99 Nomad like wheel

I must stress that the Camaro’s design could change from what Crispey has come up with, but this is generally the look the Camaro will have with a few tweaks here and there. As of right now, the car is more then just a drawing on a board and we’ve heard from quite a few sources that the car is in clay form.

Architecture/Release

Look for the 5th generation coupe Camaro to debut in 2008 based on the Zeta architecture. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control. The convertible variant is set to debut a few months to a year after the initial coupe debut. Although the car may still see a 2007 debut considering GM has their pension liability under control.

Trim Levels/Powertrain

Perhaps the biggest piece of news that we’ve obtained about the 2008 Chevrolet Camaro is the trim levels and powertrain that will power the icon. Look for a base V6 model an SS model and a highly powerful “balls to the walls Z/28 that will return the Z/28 back to its roots.” The Z/28 model is not expected for release until 1-2 years after the Camaro makes its return.

The base V6 is expected to be powered by the HV 3.9l V6 while the base SS engine is expected to be the Gen IV 5.3l V8. Our sources were tight lipped about power on the Z/28 model, but would only say that the SS will be “very fast, and the Z/28 even faster!” We’ve also been told that the Z/28 will be more of a “Z06, top of the line” type Camaro. AWD has also been mentioned as being part of the powertrain equation. Although no final word has been made on that.

Build Location

How does an American made Camaro sound? Well rumors we’ve heard from a few sources indicate that the Zeta Architecture’d Camaro may be built at GM’s plant in Hamtramck, Michigan. We have also heard that the Camaro may be built in Canada in GM’s Oshawa assembly plant located up north.

While we are on the discussion of Zeta relating to the Camaro it would only be fitting to share our news about its mate the Pontiac Firebird. As of right now there are no plans to include a Firebird platform mate on the Zeta architect. Instead the Pontiac GTO will be built on the Zeta platform and will stick around as Pontiac’s RWD performance coupe.


humm i dont know ive never heard of any of this stuff. just the relaase date of 2007. however the camaro will not be an f-body any more. the plant was closed and about a 17 mill. debt is needing to be repaied i think. but i couldnt say for sure. but if that pic IS the 2007 camaro. oh heck i would want one of those!! it looks alot niver than anyof the other concepts out their.

who says its going to be built in Canada?

We have also heard that the Camaro may be built in Canada in GM’s Oshawa assembly plant located up north.


but i'm not saying they are going to be built in canada. just they wont be called F-body's any more.

dont get me wrong i'm not doubting you. i really hope everythign you say is true. i'm a die hard camaro fan.

oh i see what your saying.....yeah the current F-Body is dead....Im sure it will come out with some other body name...

z-body? who knows

What makes an F-body an F-body? Y can't the new Camaro be considered one?

its the frame and style. if you look at an 84 and 97 you'll notice how the doors are the same and how the setup is the same. if a new camaro comes out with a diff style it wont be an f-body

but weren't 1st and 2nd gens still F-bodies... I see how 3rd and foth gen r similar, hell, interior is almost the same, seats fit for all '82-02

all camarod all gens are f-bodys i was using the 84 and 97 as and example cuz thats what i had.

ok, but so Y wont the 5th generation be considered an F-body? like I said, there is very limited continuity from 1st gen to 4th

not sure i follow you, are you refering to 5th gen the LS1's or the new model in 2007?

There will not be a 5th gen
for there to be a 5th gen then the body would have to remain a F-Body....but it will not GM does not plan on making anymore F-Bodies....EVER

The new Camaro will be a 1st Gen ?-Body

It will be a complete redesign

Thank you, that clears that up for me. So will we ethusiests consider this new "camaro" to realy be one, I mean, you can slap a name on anything. Kinda like what they did to the Monte and the Impala.