Audi sport quattro

Romik505

08-23-2010, 03:11 AM

JesusM

08-23-2010, 04:10 AM

A very interested job of a beutifull rally car. I will follow your posts!!

denilsonvm

08-25-2010, 02:23 PM

wowwww!

Very good so far! I'll keep watching.

rallymaster

08-25-2010, 04:00 PM

Hi Roman,

here are a few pics of the Sport Quattro which entered the historic part of 2010 German Rally.
I wouldn't swear it's a fully original one and not a replica, but some things can be usefull in building the scale model.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/ES-3_039.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/ES-3_041.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/ES-3_042.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/parc_010.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/parc_008.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/parc_007.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/parc_011.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/parc_006.jpg

Air ducts, falling from air intake in rear wheel wells...

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/parc_009.jpg

... joining in the middle of the car, under spare wheel (when there, wasn't in this case) and above transmission they cool down through body frame.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/rallye/parc_005.jpg

Not sure fire extinguisher is where it was supposed to be in original car, but historic car have to use modern rules security systems as belts, seats etc... this may be part of it.

Hopping this may help :naughty:

You have a lot of courage to modify this poor Reji replica when Scale Production release a nice kit (I still have to order not to miss it BTW...!! :runaround:)

I'll follow it as the A2 Quattro. :iceslolan

gtziaf

08-25-2010, 04:45 PM

Hi Roman,
Impressive start... I like the way you update this not great resin kit.
Which rally you choose? Maybe Acropolis???
Good luck until the end...

Romik505

08-26-2010, 06:35 AM

Thanks you Guys !
Phill Thanks you for photos. It is very interesting.I have noticed that a lattice in a back part as at S1.On other cars I did not see such.Probably each of constructed Sport Quattro has differences from others.
It is "the day off" project, it moves slowly enough.:smile:

vekkuli

08-28-2010, 08:34 AM

Very impressive Build :eek2: I'll wait with great Interest for Interior Pics.

BVR

09-06-2010, 07:20 AM

Hi Roman,

You do some quite impressive and detailed work! Really like it.
Because you modify de body in such a detailed way, I just had to point something out. On the original Sport quattro rally cars, the front grille with headlights was similar to the one on the street versions. Some have small closed rectangle areas in the lower corners and some haven't.
The headlights should therefore be bigger and less square. On your model, they are really square.
The car you posted pictures of has the grille of the S1, so not original for the Sport quattro.
Here are some pictures to illustrate that:

Street version:
http://i1.8000vueltas.com/2007/06/sport-quattro-calle.jpg

Original rally version:
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/AndyBlackmore/09_race/audi_retro/qu_sport_84.jpg
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2503/blomqvistsanremo1984.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7668/sqfront.jpg

"Your" version (I think it's the 1985 hillclimb version):
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1553/csc0291.jpg

S1:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lsyt_wQ2awY/SJ-HSfRMQrI/AAAAAAAAEC0/F3-pRXUoRs8/s1600/Audi-Sport_quattro_S1_1985_800x600_wallpaper_01.jpg

I hope it's a bit clear what I mean with this... If I spoiled the thread with these pics, please tell me and I will take them down.
good luck with your awesome work!!
:cheers:

Romik505

09-06-2010, 09:40 AM

Too BVR:
Thanks you.I have understood your thought with headlights.This car really has many differences, not visible from the first.
Certainly I need to choose some photos of race and precisely to follow them.
Your photos are very interesting to me. Thanks.
I planned to use headlights from Tamiya.But now I see that they will be small.

BVR

09-06-2010, 11:57 AM

I planned to use headlights from Tamiya.But now I see that they will be small.

You're welcome :) If you want to make the original rally version, you should make it with the bigger headlights, like the ones in Rallymaster's post. The smaller headlights are incorrect for the rally version.

denilsonvm

09-06-2010, 11:28 PM

Roman, talk to Mike (Scale Production), he has the correct headlights in his transkit.

Denilson

Romik505

10-08-2010, 03:40 PM

Hi Guys!
I have decided to alter nevertheless a roof and a back part of a body.
The roof is a little now above and other inclination of a back part.

http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/120663558.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/120663568.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/120663575.jpg

I love Reji :mad:

Romik505

10-28-2010, 10:13 AM

Hi!
Small progress from the Audi:
Has made the central racks of a body.Has made new back grill.

http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/120876088.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/120876071.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/120876097.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/120876124.jpg

Has painted a body in matte white TS27 and yellow strips TS16.do not use now the white glossy TS.It very long dries.

http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121026303.jpg

MidMazar

10-28-2010, 08:26 PM

I really like your audis. Im a fan of volkswagens, and audis are in the family. This one is no exception. Good luck, the rear grill came out really good. :thumbsup:

One question, can you tell me where i can find any audi transkits or kits? I know about the scale production kit, but where can i find the other ones and who makes them?

Romik505

10-29-2010, 12:44 AM

One question, can you tell me where i can find any audi transkits or kits? I know about the scale production kit, but where can i find the other ones and who makes them?

Hello! For sport quattro I know only one correct transkit - Scaleproduction

The second complete set is Reji, but it not correct.
On rally of the Audi I think are noteworthy:

Gr4 - Tamiya kit
GrB A2 - Renessans transkit for Tamiya (Or my fuller set)
GrB Sport Quattro - Scaleproduction transkit for Tamiya
GrB S1 - Profil24 kit

Fangi0

10-29-2010, 02:32 AM

Hello! For sport quattro I know only one correct transkit - Scaleproduction

The second complete set is Reji, but it not correct.
On rally of the Audi I think are noteworthy:

Gr4 - Tamiya kit
GrB A2 - Renessans transkit for Tamiya (Or my fuller set)
GrB Sport Quattro - Scaleproduction transkit for Tamiya
GrB S1 - Profil24 kit

Renaissance also do a Transkit (body only) of the A1 - Visually the same as the A2, but only a single cooling duct ahead of the rear wheels, not 2....

As far as I know this car had an alloy block (instead of the steel block in the Group 4 car) but still with the original 2154 cc displacement, putting it into the over 3 litre weight class once the turbo equivalency factor was added....

The A2 (and later) cars were 2133cc, which allowed them to run lighter

Romik505

10-29-2010, 04:23 AM

Yes, precisely. I have forgotten about А1 from Renessans. But I did not see never decals for factory car A1.

Fangi0

10-29-2010, 05:08 AM

Yes, precisely. I have forgotten about А1 from Renessans. But I did not see never decals for factory car A1.

Basically the same as the Group 4 car (I believe) - White with the classic 'Audi' stripes - but with minor differences in the sponsors (Michelin vs Kleber tyres etc)... Hard to find good quality photo's on the 'net though...

I'm building mine as a Monte Carlo car using the decals from the Group 4 kit, along with some other decals from the spares box... On tarmac the cars ran BBS style rims with black cooling fans (discs) on them - and looked awesome..

Romik505

12-02-2010, 05:12 PM

Hi guys!
Progress from my Audi.
Has collected a running gear.
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121535527.jpg

I had no complete set decals for this model.I have printed thin strips and some inscriptions on the printer.
I had logos НВ, but they were very old. I couldn't put two decals on forward fender. :mad:
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121535504.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121535531.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121535536.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121535541.jpg

Drift F.C

12-02-2010, 06:57 PM

This is looking good, the decals do look good but are the Audi logos a litlte dark?

Borjacho

12-03-2010, 05:39 AM

Hei, Romik. Fantastic work and very useful lessons.
I noticed you has modified wheels from those appearing at previous advances (looks really better now). Any picture of the process and materials used?
Thanks in advance

Borjacho

Romik505

12-04-2010, 01:32 AM

Hi!
Yes, it is other wheels. From my set А2
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96351294/xlarge/119818425.jpg

Romik505

12-30-2010, 06:21 PM

Hi guys!
The first day of the New Year's vacation I have completely given Audi. The interior almost is completely finished. There it is a lot of details from white metal and quality of these details the awful.
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121877857.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121877810.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121877818.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121877834.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121877840.jpg

rallymaster

12-30-2010, 06:36 PM

Hi Roman,

Great work as always, but this time I think you did a little mistake painting inside in black, it was white to me... :confused:

What did you put between fire extinguisher and gear lever, is it a kind of brake control lever ?

The seats are really well done with Kevlar and bottom fixing parts... :naughty:

Romik505

12-31-2010, 02:59 AM

Hi Phil!
I thought to make an interior of white color. But then looked at these photos. It seems to me that on them an interior black. And still I have looked at model Ken from Japan. It too painted in the black.
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121882818.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121882826.jpg
http://homepage2.nifty.com/KEN-RALLY/seiAUDI%20QUATTRO%20SQ/seiSQuattro081124-11.jpg
http://homepage2.nifty.com/KEN-RALLY/seiAUDI%20QUATTRO%20SQ/seiSQuattro081201-6.jpg

rallymaster

12-31-2010, 10:05 PM

Beware of Ken's models, he's confusing paints tint very often, he painted the Maxi 5 Turbo Gold (?!?) instead of sand "beige" for example so he's not always a perfect reference for colors (nothing to deal with his talent to build BTW) and I also think that most of his books references may not inevitably show real original cars but sometimes replicas...
I by chance have a lot of books and videos from the real cars collecting through the years as these fabulous cars are my fvorite rally cars ever.
Also pay attention to the pics taken during night stages, there is often a light effect due to the highlight flash of the cameras that show a black inside because of the contrast inside/outside the car.
All the pics I have (and normaly already shared) show a white inside for the body inside panels of the sport quattro and S1 (the group 4 car had a black inside).
I could also confuse myself but I've checked the following linked pics I have and even the roll cage is white:
Corsica (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/korsika0dd.jpg)
SanRemo (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/1984sr_01.jpg)
Most of 1/43rd scale brands did the same mistake and anyway for most of the brands maker when they can't identify a color inside they put it black !!
Maybe influenced by some of the pics one brand or modeler becoming a reference for others, at the final point almost everyone do the same mistake...
I feel a bit confused to be bringing it to the front of the scene but I thought it could be better for you to know and better to know that now than once finished the build

O'Ranki

01-01-2011, 06:24 AM

Hi guys,
It was indeed black:
http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/tdc84-2interieur2.jpg
Rallymaster's Corsica photo is from 1985 and then at least the roll cage was white. But having gone through some photos it seems that the '85 Tour de Corse was an exception. Everywhere else the interior was black. Even in San Remo:
http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/770.jpg
Hope this helps.

PS. Happy New Year!

malscar

01-01-2011, 07:50 AM

IN NC 46 1984 Ulster appears white yet
IN NC 46 1984 San Remo was black
IN NL 2 1984 Finland was black
IN NZ 9 1984 Ivory Coast was black
IN NT 2 1984 RAC was black
IN NL 8 1985 M/Carlo was black
IN YK 55 1985 Sweden was black
both cars 1985 NZ were black, but don't know the number plates as they wore NZ plates, not German.
IN NA 23 1985 Safari was black
IN NA 23 1985 Greece was black but rear firewall maybe white/silver
Unknown 1985 Manx was black

TvD

01-01-2011, 08:07 AM

both cars 1985 NZ were black, but don't know the number plates as they wore NZ plates, not German.

I found some pictures which seem to indicate 1 car was black and 1 was white... the first and second pictures below show Rohrl's car; it looks like a white interior with at least a partly black rollcage (near the front window). The last picture shows Blomqvist's car and it looks like it has a black interior.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=41404&stc=1&d=1293890409

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=41406&stc=1&d=1293890710

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=41407&stc=1&d=1293890759

Romik505

01-01-2011, 08:32 AM

Hi guys! Thanks for your help. It really sometimes not simply to find the necessary photo of the real car.
Phil, I have remembered that has forced me to make such decision on color of an interior. This photo from the book. There it is visible that lateral panels of doors white and other details black.
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121889757.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121889759.jpg

I collected an interior with use of super glue. I think to disassemble it without damage of details not really.

rallymaster

01-01-2011, 05:27 PM

Hi guys,
It was indeed black:

Rallymaster's Corsica photo is from 1985 and then at least the roll cage was white. But having gone through some photos it seems that the '85 Tour de Corse was an exception. Everywhere else the interior was black. Even in San Remo:
http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/770.jpg
Hope this helps.

PS. Happy New Year!

I'm sorry to say that but your pics clearly shows contrary that what you're saying for me, because that firewall is white not black for me !! :eek7: :confused: :frown:
the roll cage precisely seems black and has a different color from the firewall... So for me they aren't both black...

But as some pics and members reported, it's not always white and white would even be the exception... :confused:
Really strange because most of my pics (which aren't all from corsica - 85 not 84 you're right for the pic) show a white firewall...

The 85 Manx rally car clearly has a black inside, I have a pic in full light, but it's the GB championship car so perhaps different (not many chances to but not sure either it's not the case).

the doors inside are the most problematic question because it's clearly visible it's sometimes white, sometimes black...
what I think but it's only my interpretation for the moment is that 84 cars had black door inside and 85 white ones, because pics I have from 85 (if well identified, another question and problem maybe) cars show white door inside as the S1 got since 85 Argentina...

I must confess I'm a bit lost now, I was sure it was white for all the cars (which is precisely false, I can't pretend contrary seeing some pics) and some pics show a white firewall without any possible confusion, but some other ones show exact contrary with same certainty...

maybe a different inside between drivers would be the most probable reason and explaination but it would be strange... :screwy: :disappoin

I think that keeping black roll cage and firewall for 84 Corsica seems the best choice, but I'm not convinced without pics for each 85 cars and even 84 SR has for me a white firewall.

Malscar, do you have some pics for each car/color you mention ??
I agree for 85 Greece if we're talking about the #1 car, the firewall is white no doubt, and roll cage seems black... It's visible in a small video I've just looked at few minutes ago, but I didn't have checked all cars and rallies metioned as you seem to have.

I think I'll take a look at the original videos in the coming days, because I hate to say wrong things when trying to advise other builders (that's not serious :!! :rofl:) and have doubts !! :runaround: :evillol:
I also have some Scala43 1/43 kits in which I trust building instructions, I'll take a look to see what they say about the color...
And a lot of french and german books or magazines, but not all under my hands these days...

As I intend to build Mouton's 84 RAC car and Röhrl's 85 MonteCarlo car I want to be sure of the color, moreover not to say wrong things in the future... :banghead:

lovegt40

01-01-2011, 05:58 PM

seems white also here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAO1VcFNP0s&feature=fvsr

rallymaster

01-01-2011, 06:02 PM

Ok, Ok, that's really disturbing for me...
I opened the books I have under my hands, the german "rallye Jahrbuch" and the two Group B bibles, one from M. Morelli and the second from R. Klein...

My certainties:

- 85 Acropolis cars #1 and #3 have white firewall and black roll cage, can't see doors inside;
- 84 Corsica Röhrl's car is black, doors inside as firewall and roll cage but not rear pillars;
- 85 MC Röhrl's car is black as TdC one including doors inside (I would have swear contrary for this one :confused:);
- 85 Portugal : black but don't know for door insides.
- 84 floor is black.

What I still don't/couldn't verify:

- although pics posted above in the thread seems to confirm white firewall for 84 SanRemo cars, the #2 seems to have a white firewall but I can' t find any pics of the other.
That can be possible, as Blowqvist drove a Sport Quattro for this event and not the A2 he was used to, so maybe the car isn't perfectly exact to the other ones... Even if it's hard to believe...
- I have a 85 SanRemo pic, but I can't see the color clearly, it seems to have white firewall and black roll cage as in 84...
- when exactly were white doors inside used...?? Ok for NZ and Hunsrück rally (german championship for those who don't know it) but what for other events...??

I'm really becoming crazy with that back and white story... :banghead: :runaround: :naughty: :icon16:

Of course I have verify in clearly visible pics I could share, but they are in the books mentioned so not easy to take with camera.

rallymaster

01-01-2011, 06:05 PM

seems white also here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAO1VcFNP0s&feature=fvsr

Yes, but this one is the Quattro S1 = Sport Quattro E2, not the Sport Quattro ("E1") we are debating about. :wink:

O'Ranki

01-01-2011, 06:09 PM

rallymaster

01-01-2011, 06:16 PM

#2 car in San Remo '84 had white doors so the white rear firewall is logical. So you're right Phil. Sorry for the confusion. :uhoh:
http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/Screen%20shot%202011-01-02%20at%202.04.23.png

Ok thanks for the information, one thing sure at all !! :)

84 SanRemo color question is solved and that can be added to the certainties list => white doors inside and firewall + black roll cage.

don't feel sorry for confusion this is now the main keyword of the thread since I had the great idea to talk about the colors choice of Roman model !! :crying: :crying: :rofl:

O'Ranki

01-01-2011, 06:20 PM

Few more. Unfortunately no firewall visible.
Corsica '85
http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/Screen%20shot%202011-01-02%20at%202.18.00.png

Acropolis '85
http://files.myopera.com/iJones/files/Screen%20shot%202011-01-02%20at%202.17.37.png

Romik505

01-08-2011, 03:05 PM

Hi guys!
I have connected a body of model to the bottom part.
In process there were various difficulties.Lateral panels of an interior and the instrument panel rested against glasses.
I should work as a sandpaper a little.
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121935157.jpg
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/121935161.jpg

It is my first constructed model in 2011! :)
http://romik505.users.photofile.ru/photo/romik505/96506235/xlarge/122002983.jpg

Many thanks to all of you for the help! Your recommendations and photos were very useful to me!

O'Ranki

01-08-2011, 04:49 PM

Great job! :bigthumb:

joka-1

01-08-2011, 04:52 PM

I followed this one, very, very nice.

edelbrok2

01-09-2011, 02:27 PM

Great job, very interesting information about this work

enocom

01-10-2011, 12:35 AM

Looking Good!

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