2002 BMW M3 vs. 2002 Toyota Celica GT

which one would you bet on, and take?

is this a joke?!?!

Nope, My friend said he could kill and M3 with his celica

Modified Celica? Your friend's confusing me.

This is funny. Is it a old granny driving the M3 or something?

What?! Id like to see that. I dont have anything against celica's but we're talking about apples and oranges here. A stock E36 M3 would kill a celica, and wouldnt know which way a E46 M3 went. :eek:

-Ian

Your friend's on crack, bad crack j/k

Everyone underestimate Celica. I bet his friend must be talking about the M3 parked at a local BMW dealership. Of course he is going to beat M3 when it just park there. :smoka:

:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: I looked at the title of this thread and i was like what?!?! :confused:

obviously an E46 could destroy a Celica, even a modded Celica GT would take alot to beat a stock E46 M3

I guess I thought the same thing as everyone else. Not only were you comparing the fastest 3-series against Toyotas base sports car but it's the base base model Celica. I guess this is the same type of guy that thinks that the super-hot waitresses are always hitting on him. :D

ya, your friend is definitely a moron

ya know, i am usually all about the underdog, but hell, a celica couldnt take a new m3...
there are very few cars that would, and they all have a price tag over 30k, and i dont think any are fwd...

nice topic for a laugh...
and, i dont think even a turbo could help the celica beat the m3... the gap is just too great and the disadvantage of fwd is obvious here...

Lets see M3 has 333hp
i dont know much about celicas but i cant imagine it even has 200hp, thats a big difference, the difference in torque will be even bigger.

Maybe a 318i compact vs celica

Even the Rod Millen/TRD Celica with 500hp cold only gert 4.9 second 0-60 time, so even it would get killed by an M3.

I own a 2000 Celica GTS and i know i will get kill by an M3 nasty style....stock for stock...the M3 will take it..but if u're fren had like some mods...turbos...nos..etc...then he may have a good chance...

Originally posted by Chris
Even the Rod Millen/TRD Celica with 500hp cold only gert 4.9 second 0-60 time, so even it would get killed by an M3.

now,....this u can't just say it straight out...i would love to see it to judge either cars..

I'd definitely take the M3 any day. Sorry, but those Celicas are sooo ugly! (just my opinion though!) :)

The celica would lose, but its my choice. call me crazy but I love the styling.

Originally posted by Chris
Even the Rod Millen/TRD Celica with 500hp cold only gert 4.9 second 0-60 time, so even it would get killed by an M3.

it wouldn't quite get killed.... but i would put my money on the M3

I told him. Ha. He's crying now (not really). humph. Steel is triumphant again.

Originally posted by G-Forces
I guess this is the same type of guy that thinks that the super-hot waitresses are always hitting on him. :D

:hehe: :hehehe: :ylsuper G, that was some funny shit, and I always like to give credit when it's due. Nice one.

Yeah, Chris, I'm glad you brought up the example of the 500-horse TRD Celica. Even that would get beaten by the new M3. The Celica would have to be an extraordinarily well-modded car to have a chance of taking an M3.

Ultimate Celica AWD

Stock GT-S weight 2500 lbs without leather and sunroof. Conservative estimate say this weight 3000 lbs. There was no information about the weight or performance time. Weight is considerably increase through the added AWD and Turbo parts. However there is also weight reduction involve such as Recaro seats etc.
500 bhp @ 8000 rpm = 6.0 lbs / hp
339.9 ft lbs @ 5500 rpm = 8.8 lbs / tq

M3

Weight 3415 lbs.
333 bhp @ 7900 rpm = 10.2 lbs / hp
262 ft-lbs @ 4900 rpm = 13 lb / tq

http://209.132.49.149/images-large/2000_toyota_ultimate_celica-1.jpg
http://209.132.49.149/images-large/2000_toyota_ultimate_celica-2.jpg

well im going for the Celica...just b/c im crazy like that. I know it would lose...but man i would be rolling on the floor laughing at the driver for days!!!

lol :D
Well I think everything has been said already. There's very few readily- available cars in the world that would beat an M3, and hardly any of them Japanese. Yeah, the 500 hp thing might (just) beat the M3 in a straight line, but everywhere else the beemer would have it stuffed good and proper. And the BMW M3 is simply the top of the 3 series range, and can be purchased from any BMW dealership.

The Ultimate Celica isn't all engine works. It has beefed up suspension units etc too. Also AWD does help out a bit.

22B, Evo7 and NSX Type S Zero all would give M3 a run for it's money.

well if we are going to talk modded celicas, why not talk about modded M3's??

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=84831

hmm... 350 hp. 3000 lbs. 19 in wheels. 18 in brakes. laps the 'ring 30 seconds faster than the stock M3. i think this would rape any celica.:finger:

oh and this M3 actually looks good unlike that yellow peice of shite

Naw i know a "normal" 3 series that can take that.....
the Hartage V8 3 series......picture an M5 V8 shoved into a 3 series...

Originally posted by hermunn123
well if we are going to talk modded celicas, why not talk about modded M3's??

hmm... 350 hp. 3000 lbs. 19 in wheels. 18 in brakes. laps the 'ring 30 seconds faster than the stock M3. i think this would rape any celica.:finger:

oh and this M3 actually looks good unlike that yellow peice of shite

Even CSL would not stand a chance against Ultimate Celica Concept.
500 hp. less than 3000 lbs. AWD. 19 inch wheels. 1/4 mile in 10 seconds.

The Ultimate Celica can not do a 10 second quarter. It is horribly messed-up. It has all the right parts, but they just dont work. And the engine has such a narrow power band, when you shift you are thrown out of it and have to work back into it- WITH A 6 SPEED GEARBOX!! (closely spaced, too, so dont say it isnt!).

In its form as tested a few months back, you would see a powerplant with a surprisingly small area under the torque curve.. if they could tweak this problem and provide the Ultimate Celica with some low end grunt, then you'd be talking about a race between it and the M3. But until then, it's a slaughter (and it's ALL M3).

It uses a 5 speed manual though.

Originally posted by F20C
It uses a 5 speed manual though.
True.

I think that those that built it (I can't remember who the sponsors were.. parhaps Rod Millen?) half-intended the car to be an advertisement-oriented show car, to showcase lots of aftermarket parts with a high peak horsepower, rather than to be a track star.

Concept != Reality

Your friend could beat the M3 Easily


If a dead moose were driving the BMW

Originally posted by LiuBei
Your friend could beat the M3 Easily


If a dead moose were driving the BMW

hahahahahah LOL :D :D

lolz i was surprised that you were friend was that dumb. hahaha think about it, a R34 Skyline GT-R V-spec II can barely take on a M3 at the track. what makes you think a lowely Celica GT can do? its not even a GT-S for cryin out loud. a Integra GS-R is more then a match for the GT. in fact a GS-R can kill a GT. and a Type R integra can beat a Celica GT-S. and soo can the last generation Prulude. now those cars are a class below the M3. the M3 and the GT-R in my opinion are the worlds fastest coupes.

So if you take a Rod Millen/TRD Celica even then, you could take a M3 V8 GTR

R34 Skyline GT-R V-spec II can barely take on a M3 at the track.

Not true. A skyline is the only stock procuction car to break the 8-minute barrier and the Nordeshlief section of the Nurburgring.

I agree the M3 would just shit all over the Celica and not even break a sweat! Besides after you dust that Toy you could cruise in style :D

Originally posted by Chris


Not true. A skyline is the only stock procuction car to break the 8-minute barrier and the Nordeshlief section of the Nurburgring.

that's cool!! i never knew that.... so it could take on a Ferrari?! stock for stock

that's amazing

Originally posted by gang$tarr


that's cool!! i never knew that.... so it could take on a Ferrari?! stock for stock

that's amazing

Mass produce production car. That means a certain amount of units produced per year. Ferrari do not make enough of their high end cars to be classed as such. Same with Meclearon F1 and Lambo's.
I wish I could remember the units needed to be classes as production but I believe it would be over 100,000

pretty cool~~ skyline all the way baby~~ yeah.

It think 5000 is a good goal for 'production'. 100000 would mean there could be no S2000's, M3's, S4's, and others that are most certainly production cars.

Originally posted by Razorgtst


Mass produce production car. That means a certain amount of units produced per year. Ferrari do not make enough of their high end cars to be classed as such. Same with Meclearon F1 and Lambo's.
I wish I could remember the units needed to be classes as production but I believe it would be over 100,000

what?!
i was just surprised that the skyline can run with a Ferrari on the track

a skyline is more then a match for the F355 but from what i've saw in the bestmotoring video damn, the F360 beat it at the track by like 2 seconds~!!

yeah i know about acceleration numbers, top speed it is a match, but i didn't think the skyline could handle a track like a Ferrari.... especially under 8 minutes n-ring... that's amazing

well i don't see how come you cna't imagine the japanese legend being at a track? i mean all that technology is not just for show. it really is a damned nice car, actually the worlds fastest and best handling sports coupe to be exact. its got soo much more techno stuff in their then a ferrari. all the ferrari got is total balance. well balance don't apply if you got 4 wheel steering and part time computer controled 4 wheel drive. and i've seen best motoring video where the skyline killed the Porsche 911 Carrera. if Gan San wasn't soo aggressive Hitori could've over taken him fromt eh start. he almost got him 4 times~~!! in a 5 lap race. its csue Gan San kept on stayin and let himi through. maaaaaaaaaad dirty yo~

Originally posted by TatII
well i don't see how come you cna't imagine the japanese legend being at a track?

i never said i couldn't see it at a track... i just thought the Ferrari would be a better track car

oh well.... i'd still rather have a Ferrari 360 spider over a GT-R LOL

but i'd take a GT-R over any car under 100k (most likely)

i would pick a 360modena over a skyline too, if i don't see those damn things soo often~!! i've never seen a skyline in my life and i've been inlove with this car for a while. sooo it still has that wow factor to me. maybe until either (the day i die) or (the day i get one)

same here :(
I've never seen a GT-R in real life :( just in pictures/videos :cry:

but i see Ferraris all the time

Originally posted by Steel
which one would you bet on, and take?

Well that's a rhetorical question.

Originally posted by F20C
Everyone underestimate Celica. I bet his friend must be talking about the M3 parked at a local BMW dealership. Of course he is going to beat M3 when it just park there. :smoka:

jajajajajaa that´s so rude! but funny anywise :D

To answer the Question....

The Celica is a tad on the slow side and would probably lose in a race...

I hope this clears things up for everyone

a tad slow compared to the M3 is an understatement. its more like its not moving~~ why is the celica not moving? hmmmmmmm oh wellz. burn that slug.

i was being sarcastic

ooooo hahaha my bad~:smoka:

no problemo.....but a turbo'ed built celica would be fast

but still wouldn't be as fast as a M3. that bad boy has 300+ hp. a bolt on job would have a hard time to get it that high.

no I said built motor, built motor and turbo you can push 500 hp, even out of a shitty celica motor...but I never said it was cheap, still cost less then a M3...be just as reliable as a Bimmer too =)

ok let's set this all straight-

the M3 is like a gift from god. you cannot beat god. the celica would not even come in cloise, not matter what kind of celica it is. does it have all the luxury as well? i don;t think so! the celica 500hp is such a tracy car, it isn;t even funny! i dont think it has heated seats or pluish leather, etc- who wants to travel fast in such filth! listen to bangiong music on the m3's tyte sudio system and burn the celica in every way shape and form!

BMW all the way baby!