Will Obama take all our guns away?

I've noticed that all my Republican friends freak out every time a Democratic president is elected or has a chance of being elected. They say "Oh God, he is going to take all our guns away. Do you want that? If the police come to my house to take my guns away, which I'm sure they will, I'll just blow their f**king brains out."

Wow. Who else here thinks this?

Also, I'm not Democratic/Republican/Liberal/Conservative, I just think politics are really f**ked up.

I am pretty moderate and believe that people should be able to have guns, but I do agree that it sounds pretty stupid and childish when people say, "if they come for my guns, there is going to be a big shootout!"

Detest all you want, but when you start spouting crap off like that, it makes you look really bad.

Not in the hood!

I've noticed that all my Republican friends freak out every time a Democratic president is elected or has a chance of being elected. They say "Oh God, he is going to take all our guns away.

That's just republicans talking nonsense, check it out at factcheck.org:

http://factcheck.org/archives/search-results/?cx=006313184908531579811%3Ahm8n5-dxba0&cof=FORID%3A10%3BNB%3A1&ie=UTF-8&q=obama+guns&sa=Search

If the police come to my house to take my guns away, which I'm sure they will, I'll just blow their f**king brains out."

So how do you think that's going to work out in the real world? Do you really think you can out gun the police?

That's just republicans talking nonsense, check it out at factcheck.org:

http://factcheck.org/archives/search-results/?cx=006313184908531579811%3Ahm8n5-dxba0&cof=FORID%3A10%3BNB%3A1&ie=UTF-8&q=obama+guns&sa=Search



So how do you think that's going to work out in the real world? Do you really think you can out gun the police?

So I take it you forgot about this?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/29/national/main6629306.shtml
Trust me, if it wasn't the second amendment they'd ban the shit outta guns and they would've done it a helluva long time ago.

lol So you've never heard of the citizen militia?
http://www.arizonamilitia.com/
http://www.ncmilitia.org/
http://www.indianamilitia.org/
http://www.virginiacitizenmilitia.org/
http://www.1stpa-militia.net/
http://alaskacitizensmilitia.com/

Just to name a few.


Oh and about factcheck.org,
they said this
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Yet,
http://ngoldfarb.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/state-of-hawaii-says-obama-birth-certificate-not-valid/

^ You also get some damn good examples of how "un-biased" factcheck.org is.....

edit: heres some more on teh factcheck bs

http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/007935.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/ <-- that one goes into a lot more depth

So how do you think that's going to work out in the real world? Do you really think you can out gun the police?



Ha, yeah there are some people I have met that could and would if it came down to it.

It's a known fact that gun bans do not work. I may not know all there is to all the links above, but I am pretty sure it takes more than one person to approve such a feat.

I really think rumors like this are a ploy from gun and ammo manufacturers. I mean look at how prices skyrocketed for certain calibers of ammo as soon as Obama was sworn in. :p :sarcasmsign:

You also get some damn good examples of how "un-biased" factcheck.org is.....

LOL, so a web site from "Nancy Goldfarb’s Scintillatingly Beautiful Mind" is the best you could come up with? And what does that have to do with your original post that went:

I've noticed that all my Republican friends freak out every time a Democratic president is elected or has a chance of being elected. They say "Oh God, he is going to take all our guns away. Do you want that?

None of the web sites you posted have any verifiable references to Obama trying to take your guns away.

LOL, so a web site from "Nancy Goldfarb’s Scintillatingly Beautiful Mind" is the best you could come up with? And what does that have to do with your original post that went:



None of the web sites you posted have any verifiable references to Obama trying to take your guns away.

LMAO, here ya go
http://albanymediabias.blogspot.com/2008/07/factcheckorg-turns-left.html
http://markschmitt.typepad.com/decembrist/2005/08/factcheckorg_st.html
http://24ahead.com/s/factcheck
http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/factcheck-org-completely-worthless/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2104053/posts
http://www.sodahead.com/fun/factcheckorg-obvious-bias-exposed/blog-168001/

All you have to do is google it :rofl:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Factcheck.org+bias


I figured I should show you how much BS Factcheck is feeding you. The first link I posted took car of the proof, here it is again: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/29/national/main6629306.shtml

EDIT: and it wasn't MY original post. Good job being observant though
and heres the supreme court ruling, good job supreme court. Shouldn't have had to save our asses on gun rights but whatever
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/06/28/high-courts-big-ruling-for-gun-rights/

The repub politicians don't care about guns. They don't care how many people are killed by firearms. They found a hot button topic and they will ride it till hell freezes over, as long as it helps them get elected. Ask the law enforcement agencys in the large cities, what they think about guns? They deal with the criminal element everyday.

The repub politicians don't care about guns. They don't care how many people are killed by firearms. They found a hot button topic and they will ride it till hell freezes over, as long as it helps them get elected. Ask the law enforcement agencys in the large cities, what they think about guns? They deal with the criminal element everyday.


Your last sentence hit the topic on the head. Criminals. Do you think a criminal gives a rats ass about a gun ban?

Simply put, gun bans do not work. They keep law abiding citizens from owning firearms, while allowing the criminals to roam around in a disarmed society.

There are lots of firearm deaths caused by people that have no records. Your not a criminal till after the fact. There is no way to tell who is prone to taking a gun to work and shooting everybody. I have no problem with hunting rifles and shotguns. I've owned several in the past. In the divorce settlement my wife got the guns and I got the shells.lol, sounds fair doesn't it?

I figured I should show you how much BS Factcheck is feeding you. The first link I posted took car of the proof, here it is again: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/29/national/main6629306.shtml

Your original post asked "Will Obama take all our guns away?" and that story you linked to above doesn't even mention Obama. As for all the other links, you still haven't shown me a legitimate one that says that Obama has any interest in taking your guns away.

Your original post asked "Will Obama take all our guns away?"
FYI, this thread (OP) was started by Speculant, not Shpuker. :uhoh:

FYI, this thread (OP) was started by Speculant, not Shpuker. :uhoh:

My bad, just change "your" to "the"

I really think rumors like this are a ploy from gun and ammo manufacturers. I mean look at how prices skyrocketed for certain calibers of ammo as soon as Obama was sworn in. :p :sarcasmsign:

How about those satire posters that show Obie as NRA's "Gun Salesman of the Year"? :tongue:

FYI, this thread (OP) was started by Speculant, not Shpuker. :uhoh:
I was waiting for him to notice that lol

Your original post asked "Will Obama take all our guns away?" and that story you linked to above doesn't even mention Obama. As for all the other links, you still haven't shown me a legitimate one that says that Obama has any interest in taking your guns away.

My post said nothing specifically about Obama, I'm going more so far sided Liberals in general are anti-gun rights. Which for the most part they are. The Chicago ban being one example, the D.C. one another.

Do you think Obama is reading this thread? Cheers!!!!:cheers:

Obama was banned from this website because he kept calling everyone in the Street Racing forum a ricer.

He may not have taken away our guns but for some damn reason ammo is impossible to find and twice as expensive.

I find it funny that an ad for the "National Association For Gun Rights" popped up on my screen while pulling this thread up. :rofl:

He may not have taken away our guns but for some damn reason ammo is impossible to find and twice as expensive.

Actually, IIRC, that has been raised by conspiracists as one of the ways in which the gov't would render gun ownership ineffective.

I think it's a combination of things, mostly due to supply and demand. I watched a lot of ammo become scarcer in January just before his inauguration. Perhaps not because of anything the gov't had done overtly, but mainly because people began buying ammo by the case, and some instances, by the pallet.

I friend of mine worked for Gander Mtn at the time, and he said it was amazing how much ammo they sold in the weeks after the election in 08. Hey, the economy went south and a perceived gun grabber had just been elected.

Never underestimate the freakout capabilities of the average citizen.

Never underestimate the freakout capabilities of the average citizen.

I like that, I'll have to add it to my quotes file.

I'm not Dem/Rep/Ind or any political party. It's too much BS for my stomach to take. I am, however pro-gun. My opinion (and we all know what they say about those) is that while Obama does have the propensity to be anti-gun, he's got a lot more to deal with right now then the gun issue. Just look which way the gun rights is going nation wide since he took office. More states are going CC now the in the past. No? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Obama was banned from this website because he kept calling everyone in the Street Racing forum a ricer.

He may not have taken away our guns but for some damn reason ammo is impossible to find and twice as expensive.


You live in LA, blame that issue on Cali not the administration. Ammo is plentiful here in Utah. I just picked up a few cases of 5.56 from a guy who bought a pallet thinking they would go up to over $1 a round. I just bought them for $0.15 a round. He lost, I won.

Yeah, those damn guys started buying everything in sight. I hope they lose their ass on it. Friggin' guys piss me off.

Hey, just wait until early 2012. Everybody knows Dec 2012 is TEOTWAWKI.

:runaround:

Obama wont take gun away but he has try getting the ammo company to put seiral numbers on each bullet made but they told im to stuff it its not a dead issue but your right he has other thing to worry about i think if he want to be reelected then he will be quiet about the topic till he gets put back in office then watch out but i do belive he is a lame duck

No.

They'll pass something slipped into a bill or something like that, and even then that'll be hard, but you won't see an Assault Weapons Ban or Brady Bill passed. If the past senate and house or representatives didn't pass anything, you won't see it for a while. Why? Because even it's know that if you go after guns, it's political suicide. See the democrates thrown out in '94 after all the above laws were passed.

I've noticed that all my Republican friends freak out every time a Democratic president is elected or has a chance of being elected.

Democrats have a pretty rocky history with gun owners.

You also have to consider that for a lot of people the Clinton administration is a recent memory.

Bill Clinton was one of the worst presidents when it came to guns. You have the Assault Weapon Ban, the Brady Bill, and the fact that he indirectly ordered 500,000 vintage WWII rifles melted down, rather tan release them to collectors.

At one point, he went so far as to publicly call for a national firearm registry.

I just think politics are really f**ked up.

No argument there.

They will just ban lead ...

Democrats have a pretty rocky history with gun owners.

You also have to consider that for a lot of people the Clinton administration is a recent memory.

Bill Clinton was one of the worst presidents when it came to guns. You have the Assault Weapon Ban, the Brady Bill, and the fact that he indirectly ordered 500,000 vintage WWII rifles melted down, rather tan release them to collectors.

At one point, he went so far as to publicly call for a national firearm registry.



No argument there.


I guess you can read into it either way. There are plenty of Republicans who also support strict gun laws, in fact correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't GWB in a position to allow the semi auto gun ban to expire? If you remember correctly he pledged to extend the ban, and did so.

in fact correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't GWB in a position to allow the semi auto gun ban to expire? If you remember correctly he pledged to extend the ban, and did so.
:confused:

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George W. Bush on Gun Control:


Ban automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips

* Supports stronger enforcement of existing gun laws, would provide more funding for aggressive gun law enforcement programs such as Project Exile in Richmond, Virginia
* Supports requiring instant background checks at gun shows by allowing gun show promoters to access the instant check system on behalf of vendors
* Supports law-abiding American’s constitutional right to own guns to protect their families and home
* Supports the current ban on automatic weapons
* Supports banning the importation of foreign made, “high-capacity” ammunition clips
* Supports voluntary safety locks
* Opposes government mandated registration of all guns owned by law abiding citizens

Source: GeorgeWBush.com: ‘Issues: Policy Points Overview’ Apr 2, 2000



Not sure why I put and did so, as he never pushed legislation on the matter.

I thought maybe you were referring to a ban that I didn't remember. Although he said that he would sign it if it were on his desk, he never pushed for it to be extended and the "Assault" weapon ban expired.

I just want to start off by saying I do not claim to be aligned with any specific party. I vote based on the issues at hand rather than following party lines. I do agree that democrats/liberals tend to be anti-gun where as republicans/conservatives tend to be pro-gun. There are many politicians who do not fall into those standards.

It is possible for stricter gun control to be passed at anytime. However, the recent court rulings especially in DC and Chicago will make that even more difficult. I also agree that President Obama and congress has much larger fish to fry than worrying about gun control issues. Legislation is brought up frequently related to different forms of gun control, but rarely does it gain any momentum. The biggest push usually starts with radicals like Pelosi, Kennedy, Bloomburg, and Clinton.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the tendency is to blame the president for new laws. A president can use a presidential executive order to bypass congress, but it isn't likely to be used for gun control, although these orders have been seen as an abuse of power in the past. Even if that were to happen congress can override it. Laws must be passed by congress before they are signed by a president, so if a law is seen as a failure it rests more on congress rather than the president.

I don't have a problem with some gun control. The level of control currently asserted is fine by me. I have no record and can buy the firearms I desire and have the right to carry a weapon or defend my home. Gun control laws do only affect law-abiding citizens, not criminals. This does not mean that people who were law-abiding citizens and had no record don't commit crimes with firearms. The problem is that irreguardless of what happened the tendency is to blame the firearms. We need to look at the root cause. If they took away every gun in this country including those from known criminals would that stop all murders, rapes, robberies, ect? People would use other weapons whether it be knives, bats, vehicles, or whatever. If someone is determined to commit such a crime or even if it's a crime of passion or in the heat of the moment they will do so.

There is a much larger number of deaths from firearms in the US than in other countries, but why is that? That is the $64,000 question. Could it be availability of firearms? Many other nations have similar percentages of firearms to citizens that we do. How about music, movies, or video games? They have been blamed too. Just because you like a certain type of media doesn't mean you want to go out and shoot someone. How about the news media? If you look at what is reported in the US compared to other countries there is a difference. You watch the nightly news and plastered all over is violence. The media eats that stuff up. You don't see as much stuff about current affairs or the person who is helping in a local community or things along those lines. Violence and carnage is what gets ratings so that is what is plastered all over. It could be because of many things. I don't have the answer.

I do believe that this country is run on fear and consumption. As long as people are fearful they will consume and that keeps the ball rolling. The price changes of firearms and ammunition after Obama was elected is a prime example. People assume that new laws are on the way and they buy, buy, buy. It depletes supply with the raised demand and prices go up. It was all for nothing. This is just one example.

Sorry for such a long rant.

Sorry for such a long rant.


Great rant. :thumbsup:

I thought maybe you were referring to a ban that I didn't remember. Although he said that he would sign it if it were on his desk, he never pushed for it to be extended and the "Assault" weapon ban expired.

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly why I put that in there, must have been thinking of one thing, typing another.

We'll see what happens after this latest shooting in AZ. I have read a few news sites crying for bans on hi-cap magazines and more firearms restrictions.

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly why I put that in there, must have been thinking of one thing, typing another.

We'll see what happens after this latest shooting in AZ. I have read a few news sites crying for bans on hi-cap magazines and more firearms restrictions.
This may be one of the few instances where stricter guns laws would have helped...




If it were mandatory for everyone to carry firearms, this guy would have been put down before he got off more than one shot. :iceslolan

If it were mandatory for everyone to carry firearms

That would be fucking crazy

That would be fucking crazy
*in your opinion

*in your opinion

Oh man, I know some pretty mentally unstable people, with no criminal records. Some sort of psychological evaluation would have to be required (among other tests) before just requiring someone to have a gun on their person at all times.

This may be one of the few instances where stricter guns laws would have helped...




If it were mandatory for everyone to carry firearms, this guy would have been put down before he got off more than one shot. :iceslolan


Hmm, not sure I agree. While he did purchase the handgun legally, which is surprising, it sounds like he didn't have any priors other than being a loner who had an axe to grind. I'm not sure what kind of restriction would have helped in that case.

I am really surprised that someone who was carrying didn't stop him. AZ as we know is very pro 2A, all though I think UT offers more options with the permit than AZ does. It's sad really, because it will add fuel to the fire on this issue.

Now I am in favor of a basic IQ test before you own firearms, as well as have children. Probably a good thing I would never make it as a politician. :evillol:

Here's what the government should do. They should be able to pull your background check if you want to buy a gun. And if you have a history of violent crimes then you shouldn't be able to buy one. Now, I don't own a gun, so I don't know if they do that already. I think if you have no history of violent crimes you should be able to buy as many guns as you want. If you take that away from the common man then that's not American:cool::naughty::iceslolan

Here's what the government should do. They should be able to pull your background check if you want to buy a gun. And if you have a history of violent crimes then you shouldn't be able to buy one. Now, I don't own a gun, so I don't know if they do that already. I think if you have no history of violent crimes you should be able to buy as many guns as you want. If you take that away from the common man then that's not American:cool::naughty::iceslolan


Background checks are the law. Certain types of crimes prevent you from purchasing a firearm, not sure which ones specifically. Felonies you're SOL, mental illness, domestic violence, you're out.

However, there is no way to prevent this in a private firearms transaction.

[quote=kris;6866473]Background checks are the law. Certain types of crimes prevent you from purchasing a firearm, not sure which ones specifically. Felonies you're SOL, mental illness, domestic violence, you're out.[\quote]

A felony conviction, a conviction that carries a sentence of more than one year in prison (state or federal), and domestic violence convictions.

There is also the Lautenberg bill, which makes it illegal to possess a firearm if you have a restraining order filed against you. That one is pretty controvertial though, because sometimes in a divorce situation, the wife will get a restraining order taken out on her gun-collecting husband as a kind of 'screw you'.

I guess you can read into it either way. There are plenty of Republicans who also support strict gun laws, in fact correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't GWB in a position to allow the semi auto gun ban to expire? If you remember correctly he pledged to extend the ban, and did so.

Whoops, never got an email notification, sorry for the late reply.

Yes, GWB did express support for extending the AWB. (one of many reasons I didn't like him)

However, the backlash against an extension was so strong, I think he just didn't want to risk the fallout from alienating republicans and blue-dog democrats.

It was 2004, so he wasn't exactly doing great in the polls to begin with, ticking off gun owners would have been a BIG mistake.

If he had really pushed the AWB, we may have wound up with Kerry as president.

Not in Texas, or the hood!