Lancia Lybra

The Lancia Lybra is Lancia's current medium segment car. We don't get them over here in the UK (which is a shame, way too many trashy Mondeos and Vectras running around ;) ! We could certainly do with this great alternative). It's a modern, sophisticated, stylish (IMHO :D) car, with a wide range of engines and good handling.

cheers
jay

Very nice interior, too

Well it certainly looks interesting, but rather ergonomically incorrect :( :( Is it based arond the Alfa Romeo 156????:confused:

What do you mean by ergonomically incorrect?

The chassis is basically a heavily revised 156 floorpan with a small amount of rear steer, to answer your q.

Nice car but too classical. Hope the future Y will not be so classic in order to be sell. If the Y won't, Lancia could banquerouted :(

If the Y won't, Lancia could banquerouted

The Y will be a very important car for Lancia. I hope Fiat have the common sense not to let this great marque die

I really hope too.
Forza Italia ! :) e vivo el mondo ! :D

I just remembered reading that the new "Y" will have the same kind of style as the Thesis, only smaller of course, so it will be quite "classic" in appearance.
The praised Thesis has had a lot of electronic problems that delayed its sale. Fiat and Lancia need to get their act together! I dont think Lancia will die because in effect FIAT gets extra earnings from Lancias built on existing FIAT platforms. The only problem is the image of Lancia, which needs to be quickly resolved!

Of course the image of a make is very important. And Lancia has the same image as Alfa in the early 90's... but now, Alfa has a very good image, hope that Lancia will take the same way.

That makes two of us

Harrison Ford (Yes, Ford... for Lancia !!) made an advertising for the Lancia Lybra (with a bonzaï !) but it didn't help the sales !
I think you didn't see it because Lancia isn't sold any more in England, alas !

with a bonzaï ? what do you mean?? :confused:

In the adv, Harrisson Ford has a bonzaï which is going to die. He takes the bonzaï in the Lancia and drive. Then, when he arrives, he takes the bonzaï off the car and it made a little green leaf :D

ahh, a bonzai tree, i thought so... sounds like a pretty funny ad :)

Is the Lybra selling well in France, btw?

In June 2001, there was 1400 Lancia (a little bit more than Mazdas for example) sold in France, and 50% were Lybra. But it's nothing compare to the 100 000 Citroëns, 150 000 Peugeots, 200 000 Renaults and 55 000 VW, the 4 first sellers in France.
BMW sold 15 000 cars in France in March 2002.
Hope that the Thésis and Phédra will made good sales. The Thésis has though good articles in press.

1400 cars? :( Thats really not a lot

Indeed, it's not enough.
Finally, Lancia sells well only in Italy.

Hopefully the new Ypsilon will help, but i think they need a "different" car out there to improve their image. A funky sports car or something, maybe something like the Audi TT

They have to make an heir of the Fluvia for example. But, now, they will see the results of the new Y and wait. If they're good, Lancia will surely do new beautiful models, the successors of the Beta and Delta, maybe a new Integrale.
Though, we'll have to wait at least 5 years before being able to see a new Lancia (except the Y)... or their banquerout :(

Even if they do go bankrupt, im sure someone will resurrect the Lancia name.... whatever happens, it deserves better than dying.... Lancia has made some of THE great cars

cheers,
jay

I think you're right, and if you're not, I'll work a lot and resurect lancia :D

haha... you can be one of those rich guys who resurrects a company and then watches all his money go down the drain! ;)
Thats what always seems to happen to enthusiasts who resurrect car companies. Hopefully it wont come to that for Lancia, not happen to you or any motoring enthusiast! :D

I hope ! we'll see the results of the Y !

Lybra is exquisite visually refined decent and stylish appealing to inner virtue of design.

It appeals not to substance of turning head, but to profound and secure eloquent drive in space.

However, one must utter lack of praise where Lybra amply deserves.
Diesel engines are to loud and can barely pass Euro 2, this remark alone is tragedy.

2.0 engine with roots from Dedra is hardly economical if one considers aspects of acceleration horsepower and general economy.
Most of all, 41 meters of braking is very disappointing indeed.
Interior is without peers, Alcantara Eco choice for those who would rather keep 5 skins where they belong...on cows.

I saw a Lybra 2.0 Intensa grey/black with alcantara and leither, GPS, grey alloy wheels, etc. yesterday when I went to Fiat-Alfa-Lancia to look for a 156 or a 147.... I'm thinking to buy this car now :D Very nice !... but very expensive, almost 30 000 € (US$32 000 - £20 000) !

FIAT is not giving Lancia enough of the green stuff to play around with- hence the ancient engines and crude glorified-FIAT look to them..........


Lancia have talent- but FIAT Spa only care about FIAT and Alfa Romeo- sorta sad really- when you think of the legendary cars they have created..............:( :(

Stefanel

You should wait for Lybra ( if you really want to take one ), 2.0 engine can not even pass Euro 3 and only thing to with this is would be to install LPG Gas in place of spare tire.

With latest fly-sequent gas install you lose only 2% of acceleration!
If only raw 2.0 Lybra...wait for a half year at the most.
Lancia is in serious drop of sales everywhere and facelift and new modern (from Thesis) 2liter turbo (Euro IV) is just around the corner.

The Lybra is expensive in 2.0 Intensa and the 2.0 is too powerfull for my insurance as I'm only 19 and have my driving licence since April 2002.
But the 156 1.6 TS 120 is perfect, I'm in love with it ! and the Alfa will be sold easyer than a Lybra. If I can get a 1.6 Distinctive, I will be happy happy !!!! :D

Absolutely right.

Alfa has a modern latest generation engine (real world economy -not like Lybra), not to mention even greater (although firmer on back) drive and nothing to Pagani Zonda corners like Alfa.

However I think 1.8 would be better choice, price is insignificantly higher buy that would also cover better equipment. (in some countries serial Bose system)

I'd like to take the 1.8 but again I'm only 19 and I have 25% of "malus" because of an accident I had in Belgium... 6 days after I got my driving licence (I crashed my Golf III with a Twingo !). So my insurance doesn't accept the 1.8 TS 144hp.
However, the 1.6 TS has (in France) the same equipment as the 1.8. And since 2002, you can get the Progression or Distinctive versions either on the 1.6 or the 1.8, the Distinctive has the cruise control, the hi-fi Bose system, the leither, 16' alloy wheels, etc. etc.
The 1.6 Distinctive is my dream, but I have to see how much money I'll have at the end of this year when I'll change my Delta ;)
Volken : where do you live ? Is the A6 your car ?

I live in Europe, Yes it is my A6 V6 Quattro powered by Natural Gas
(CNG), and since it was optimized with Turbo and additionally chipped
it has almost no change in performance to road but a world performance
to environment.

Europe is big ;) Sweden ? Danemark ? Belgium ? I can't see the plates of your Audi well !

My father had a Sintra with GPL/LPG/CNG, but it was not as good as the diesel, so he has now an Evasion HDi (Synergie in the UK), not more expensive and easy to sell !

Your experiences with LPG weren’t good? I heard good things about it :confused:
Please tell us more :)

It was good, but it's not as practical as the diesel. Indeed, there are not a lot of LPG stations (except on the highways), you can only drive 300 or 400 km with a fill up (200 miles), you've not any more spare wheel (or you lose a part of your boot) and when you've to sell it, it's very difficult.
And compared with our current Evasion (Synergie in UK), which is a far better car than the Sintra, the performances are even better with the HDi, even if it's only 110hp (141 hp for the Sintra and about the same weight).

Some reality facts about CNG & LPG that Stefanel remarked much
to generally. First Stefanel mentioned: -it was not as good as the diesel-
First few exact facts reflecting this matter.

CNG compressed natural gas is 4 times more cheaper then petrol and 2 times from Diesel. LPG comes slightly higher with these figures but still double compared to petrol. Like Petrol and Diesel, LPG is completely depending on findings of Oil in general. No Oil no LPG! CNG on other hand is completely independent of Oil raw, it is a merely a byproduct of the process making it by all independent agencies viable source of energy for next 4 generation of people. Fact.

When Stefanel says practicality is not good, he simply address point of trip autonomy and therefore one side of the coin. Yes, LPG and CNG will have alone slightly less driving autonomy because unlike Petrol or Diesel they are not flammable in terms of heat energy and will even consume more then Petrol or Diesel but only compared to the distance!

When you realize ratio of affordability CNG and LPG compared to Petrol and Diesel,everything justifies cost and you save money even two months after installation. LPG saves you money by 35-40% of engine life and oil consumption, while professional CNG installation can go to more then 50%, Fact!

Most important note that most of people have no idea and when they do, they change completely (well, most do) their misconception about this matter. CNG offers less compared to LPG and specially Petrol and Diesel ( biggest lie in auto ) :

0% plumb/lead - 0% sulphur - 94% less of (CO) - 25-30% less (CO2) - 34% (Nox), - 45% hydrocarbon (CH) ... and I could go on...
Engine alone is much calmer and reliable because mixture is more soft on engine. Note on performance.

It makes a whole lot of difference for engines before year 2001., whether they are atmospheric or turbo powered when they had installation of either CNG or LPG. In Factory install optimization will in somecases even with such engines provide almost if not the exact performance compared to Petrol, because process of both mixture is bivalent and engine would never allowed for them to mix together.
Today staring with 2002 there is new (BRC Italian leader), Fly Sequent technology that allows only 2% less acceleration from 0-60mph/0-100kmh in worst cases regardless of engine with LPG.

CNG is almost the same and only requires most professional in factory of expert optimization and will have almost exact performance (3 days needed) Fly Sequent can even allow (!) LPG/CNG with Diesel (ecology must). Those older installs like Stefanel Sintra depend whether engine is atmo/turbo turbo will in most cases offer near or very slight loss in performance, atmospheric engines lose much more. Diesel in Europe is of political nature (Busses and all public conveyance) much like Milk and
meat industry are in US. That is why Diesel is cheaper in Europe to point of great demand. Facts. Yes,Diesel compared to Petrol engine has more torque power that is released in range where Benz is barely waking up (1500-3000) and therefore specially when combined with turbo, needs much less and offers great overtaking power with great autonomy because of Diesel cost. Facts. What Diesel is doing to environment is disaster! In short as possible. Diesel contains (PAH) small lethal particles that are enormously risky in crowded traffic.
These particles are much like particles of say for example
...asbestos...imagine a small invisible hooks. Imagine a hundreds or more of these hooks inhaled in your lungs, to many of them like asbestos or radiation dust - and time is only factor that would adios you out of this world. If your child,friend or yourself would stand in a garage while engine is running- you want that engine to be Benz! Never take to much time in Euro. Garage. In US Diesel is not needed because
of American Life ( who cares about Oil consumption ), and disastrous statistics shows that since 1989., not in one single year- there has been fall in more economical Oil consumption. V8,V10,...SUV all lead (partly) for what is needed now the most in US...Oil!
So SUV drivers, please register to Combat on your behalf.

Educate your selfish needs (we all have them), and please, use CNG earth friendly power. If you long for a hybrid,well...even the better!

Consuetudo legem facit.


PS: Stefanel who do you mean your Sintra with GPL/LPG/CNG??????
Both LPG&CNG in car of elderly install date...are you serious?
Where?

I made a mistake : only LPG on the Sintra.
My father bought only two LPG in his life, a Citroën CX in 1986 and an Opel Sintra in 1998.
He was not terribely satisfacted, that's all, even if in another country he could have been more happy with LPG (more stations, better "re-sale" etc.).
I'm not sayig that LPG is not good of course ;)
But the Evasion is far mmore better than the Opel, and not because of the LPG installation.

So it was more due to the support for LPG than the performance that your dad didn’t like it?

yes, indeed !
The performances was almost as good (or bad should I say !) than on the gas position. But for a 2.2 141hp, it was very slow !

One note I failed to address...

Fly Sequent technology on CNG/LPG has *adaptive engine mapping*
Unlike previous technologies of earlier date,after you finished
installation if you would change one single point to your engine
(chip tuning or any engine modification), you would immediately
create potentially dangerous situation for you engine and security
of installation.

I give radical plot, however,supporting electronics on older machines are quite problematic sometimes regardless of carmaker and when
gas is onboard it could get problematic for engine.

Fly Sequent updates electronic map each time you turn the key!
Whatever changes to your engine good or bad - he adapts to the current state.

If engine (unlikely), would be potentially driven in dangerous link
with gas, installation would automatically shut and switch to Petrol, leaving you to safely inspect problems and solutions in your service.

Another statistics from Europe learned from Gas installers, informed
me that it has been proven that car boot installation of gas improves
up to 35-40% back security in case of back chain crash because it really behaves as integral part of construction and know that it is
made from casting foundry steel.

Note on environment.
Almost 40% of lung cancer or lung pathology associated from air pollution combined from crowded traffic in dense cities will come
from Diesel (whether car or factory).

Stefanel,

I always forget to let you know that you have 2 great Lybra TV Commercials that Harrison Ford made for Lancia. Really stylish
and not too big.

Let me know what do you think of it.

http://www.harrisonford.de/multimedia/videos.htm

Harrison "Ford" who makes an adv for "Lancia"... quite funny. :D

I remember this advertisement which was not too bad ;)
Alas the commercial carrier of the Lybra is not excellent. But I think that with the big restylking of 2004, it'll be better (as for the Citroën C5 in the same situation even if they sell (how ?!!!) more than the Lybra).

Hey no lazy talk...
Go and download the movies :smoka:

One is with Japanese tree that gets alive from Lybra AC :p

Other one you havent seen 100%, it is a short action movie
with Lybra Wagon and prety young woman in chase and in secure
hands of Harrison behind the wheel :D

I remember the second one now, with the woman... ;)

Yesterday I have seen silver Lybra and witnessed a very
disappointing display.

Looking at left light it appeared that tolerance of connecting
parts is very slim for entire inside was filled with moisture.

Upon first touch it was way to flexible and even slightly moving
inside-outside. Yes, new generation of Alfas and Lybras is better
and moving slowly to German refinement, but still, good rood to
path that excellence.

Friend of mine who services Alfas told me about two same orders...
2 new 156 2.0jts,same dealer,same source...but first owner had no problem and apart from service Alfa runs smoothly.
Other owner, since day one...problems...Electronic shows problems
with oil,brakes,front seat is squeaking as if it had driving history of 3 years.

He sorted that,but again electronic plays games, when he is trying to prove that in service,nothing!

Stefanel,

Are you alive?
Or maybe...you are driving new 156

Originally posted by Volken


Friend of mine who services Alfas told me about two same orders...
2 new 156 2.0jts,same dealer,same source...but first owner had no problem and apart from service Alfa runs smoothly.
Other owner, since day one...problems...Electronic shows problems
with oil,brakes,front seat is squeaking as if it had driving history of 3 years.

He sorted that,but again electronic plays games, when he is trying to prove that in service,nothing!

Alfas can occasionally be struck down with chronic electrical problems- we call them the 'bad apples' even companes like Nissan and Honda occasionally do them- the brakes are reasonably bomb-proof- but have been known to squeak and groan- the front seats squeaking is a leather trim issue (The leather rubs up against the armrest) and the oil issues of tbe 156 sHOULD have been sorted with the introduction of the direct fuel injection engines- which were redesigned around the engine oil issue:wink:

The Lybra is very nice to me I'm changing my mind, I though it was too classical but this car is very class, elegant. Inside, the materials used are very nice : coulors, quality, etc ! (leather, alcantara, wood, laque, etc. )
About the reliability of the 156, mine makes a little noise from the front when I'm braking or turning hardly and the car is not warm... is it normal ?

This is the latest from Geneva...at last new wheels!

However, engine too old to cope, new one is on its way too slow to show.
Ecology = 0

Brakes? Well , one would have to take many things in consideration
to provide you with proper solution.

* (age,original/aftermarket,drive of the car,....)

I'm not sure that the brakes are concerned, and concerning it, they are good (my car was revised one month ago). My car has almost 70 000 km and I don't drive slow but I manage enough my car. ;)

My father has a Lybra 1.9 JTD 116cv Station Wagon, 50000 km in less than 2 years, no problems till now, good performances, 15-16 km/litre, also 18 in highway.
Excellent comfort.
In Italy there are many Lybra.

It will be replaced by a crossover, similar to the Opel Signum, in 2006.

Thanks for the information :)

Hi, I am new to Forum so First of all hi to everybody.
I have seen a lancia lybra 2.4jtd(114 Kw) from the year 01/2000, and 76000Km's in 8000Euro's.
What do you peoples say , is it worth it to BUY............
It's a sedan model...................

Please reply me asap, as I want to knwo asap, and any help wirll be appreciated...................

Hi, I am new to Forum so First of all hi to verybody.
I have seen a lancia lybra 2.4jtd(114 Kw) from the year 01/2000, and 76000Km's in 8000Euro's. What do you peoples say , is it worth it to BUY............ It's a sedan model................... Please reply me asap, as I want to knwo asap, and any help wirll be appreciated...................

I have yet to comprehend Lancia's foolish decision to abandon Lybra from present product program? Instead of using the latest engines from Phaedra, they decided to stop production of Lybra for good. Very sad indeed. Considering this is one of the most decent and elegant cars out there, very sad indeed. Again, thank you Fiat very much :(

@khaaki2005,

No,

This is too old engine, even Lybra Benz engines can barely fit into Euro III, stay away from it. Euro IV is here stay.

I have yet to comprehend foolish decision of Lancia to abandon Lybra prom present product program

Instead of using latest engines from Phaedra, they decided to stop production of Lybra for good.

Very sad indeed.

Considering that this is one of the most decent and elegant car, real shame.

Again, thank you Fiat very much :(

@khaaki2005,

No,

This is too old engine, even Lybra Benz engines cann barely fit into
Euro III, stay away from it.

Euro IV is here stay.


Thanks Buddy................

Hello!!!
my name is Bogdan and i'm from Ukraine....heared anything about this country?so, I'm one of those who drives Lancia Lybra 2001 SW 1,9JTD....
Very nice car...I bought it couple weeks ago, so I have nothing to say about it. But I really like it..I had Opel Vectra (England version), nice car too, but not for our roads. Would you be so kind to let me know where I can get "manual book" for this car?
Thanks....
my e-mail bogdan_ocean@yahoo.com

Bogdan,

Finding those from Italian club sites shouldn't be any problem on web or P2P (Emule). But finding one in your language is probably a bit harder to locate on P2P or some site.

You could contact some local Lancia service or dealer. Is there any chance that some local community or club of Italian cars exists in Ukraine? Prehaps you should look there. Or simply find some owner and make a copy. Sorry that I can't offer you some great links. Haven't really followed any forums recently. But good bet is also to find some large Lancia Internet club or community and they might offer better findings.

I'm sure Stefanel would be kind to copy his manual. But it is in French :)