Tutorial: How to fix models in display box
rallymaster
07-26-2010, 08:35 AM
Hello AF modelers community,
Being in hollydays for 2 weeks, I'll try to share a tip I've been willing for a long time to put here, which some of you may have noticed in my (rare and unfinished :crying:) builds.
It came from a main problem when willing to enter modelling show, where having to safely bring them and once there protect them from (stupid and/or unrespectfull) people, or when simply wanting to store them free of dust or move them safely.
Since the first problems encountered in modelling show - Fed up of aerials or mirrors reglueing and so. :runaround: - or even at home when moving models, I bought dozens of display box, each model having to get its own box.
That was the first point.
Second one was "How to fix the model without ruining it, making fixation strong enough to move the models without dammaging the plastic or in the same time to hold in place some heavier metal models...?"
Answer came fast: screwing models to their box ! :naughty:
Only remaining thing then was how exactly screw them as I wanted fixation system to be the most invisible as possible.
So here is my tip. What you need is:
- of course a display box :icon16:
- bolts
- nuts
- glue (a strong efficient one :evillol:)
- something to drill holes in plastic (a drill is the best, but a blade can use too)
- and of course, too, something to screw bolt in nut.
(- a pen)
and here we go:
1) Firstly, I place the chassis on the base of the box, taped in the center.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_033.jpg
Nuts will be hidden under the seats, that's perfect as they are in the middle of the model, one on each side, what should give stability to the model.
Please notice that on some models (mostly resin ones) you have to choose to put them elsewhere, under seat place isn't free...
Then, I choose one in the front and the other in the rear of the model.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Fabia-WRC_0099.jpg
2) I choose how exactly where to put the nuts...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_035.jpg
3) ... taking car to verify nut (and bolt through it) won't disturb seats assembling
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_038.jpg
4) I use a pen (or sometimes a blade) to mark the place where to drill through the nut.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_039.jpg
5) nuts locations are now visible...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_041.jpg
6) ... and now need to be drilled, with drill or blade
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_043.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_046.jpg
7) Of course display base is also drilled through in the same time
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_045.jpg
8) Verifying bolt and nut are working well together
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_052.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_050.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_047.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/McRae-RAC95_11.jpg
9) Next step is glueing the nut; aiming to glue it straigh in place but having to save hole from glue, I screw a nut on a bolt extremity, then put glue on nut edges, and finally use the bolt as the "nut applyer" putting it in the hole and pressing.
Then I screw it half way through the model and put another nut by the other sens.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_054.jpg
10) I screw it to press the inside nut in place as long as glue has to dry, taking care to verify before pressing hardly that the two nuts aren't glueing together with the plastic or to the bolt.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_055.jpg
11) when "under nut" and bolt retired, I make sure everything is strongly attached, if necessary I consolidate some more glue all around the nut and press it with a grip.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_056.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/McRae-RAC95_7a.jpg
12) Now nuts are glued in place, I only still have to choose bolt lenght and verify if eveything fits well
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Sub-MC-99_005.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/McRae-RAC95_14b.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_059.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Sub-RA-99_030d.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_032.jpg
Once finished, models can be displayed, stored or moved, free from dust and protected from eventual people bad touch.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Sub-MC-99_051.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/18-avril_001.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Seltz-2008__001.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/07octobre07_003.jpg
That's all !
Surely not a hard tip, maybe needing to be tried once or two but it it's how I now fix every models, and still haven't had any bad surprise when moving/storing/showing them.
Comments and suggestions welcome :smile:
(especially if something in my English isn't understandable :icon16:)
Being in hollydays for 2 weeks, I'll try to share a tip I've been willing for a long time to put here, which some of you may have noticed in my (rare and unfinished :crying:) builds.
It came from a main problem when willing to enter modelling show, where having to safely bring them and once there protect them from (stupid and/or unrespectfull) people, or when simply wanting to store them free of dust or move them safely.
Since the first problems encountered in modelling show - Fed up of aerials or mirrors reglueing and so. :runaround: - or even at home when moving models, I bought dozens of display box, each model having to get its own box.
That was the first point.
Second one was "How to fix the model without ruining it, making fixation strong enough to move the models without dammaging the plastic or in the same time to hold in place some heavier metal models...?"
Answer came fast: screwing models to their box ! :naughty:
Only remaining thing then was how exactly screw them as I wanted fixation system to be the most invisible as possible.
So here is my tip. What you need is:
- of course a display box :icon16:
- bolts
- nuts
- glue (a strong efficient one :evillol:)
- something to drill holes in plastic (a drill is the best, but a blade can use too)
- and of course, too, something to screw bolt in nut.
(- a pen)
and here we go:
1) Firstly, I place the chassis on the base of the box, taped in the center.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_033.jpg
Nuts will be hidden under the seats, that's perfect as they are in the middle of the model, one on each side, what should give stability to the model.
Please notice that on some models (mostly resin ones) you have to choose to put them elsewhere, under seat place isn't free...
Then, I choose one in the front and the other in the rear of the model.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Fabia-WRC_0099.jpg
2) I choose how exactly where to put the nuts...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_035.jpg
3) ... taking car to verify nut (and bolt through it) won't disturb seats assembling
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_038.jpg
4) I use a pen (or sometimes a blade) to mark the place where to drill through the nut.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_039.jpg
5) nuts locations are now visible...
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_041.jpg
6) ... and now need to be drilled, with drill or blade
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_043.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_046.jpg
7) Of course display base is also drilled through in the same time
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_045.jpg
8) Verifying bolt and nut are working well together
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_052.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_050.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_047.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/McRae-RAC95_11.jpg
9) Next step is glueing the nut; aiming to glue it straigh in place but having to save hole from glue, I screw a nut on a bolt extremity, then put glue on nut edges, and finally use the bolt as the "nut applyer" putting it in the hole and pressing.
Then I screw it half way through the model and put another nut by the other sens.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_054.jpg
10) I screw it to press the inside nut in place as long as glue has to dry, taking care to verify before pressing hardly that the two nuts aren't glueing together with the plastic or to the bolt.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_055.jpg
11) when "under nut" and bolt retired, I make sure everything is strongly attached, if necessary I consolidate some more glue all around the nut and press it with a grip.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_056.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/McRae-RAC95_7a.jpg
12) Now nuts are glued in place, I only still have to choose bolt lenght and verify if eveything fits well
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Sub-MC-99_005.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/McRae-RAC95_14b.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_059.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Sub-RA-99_030d.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/A110_032.jpg
Once finished, models can be displayed, stored or moved, free from dust and protected from eventual people bad touch.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Sub-MC-99_051.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/18-avril_001.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/Seltz-2008__001.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e14/phil67c/Tutorial%20-%20fixer%20le%20modele%20en%20boite/07octobre07_003.jpg
That's all !
Surely not a hard tip, maybe needing to be tried once or two but it it's how I now fix every models, and still haven't had any bad surprise when moving/storing/showing them.
Comments and suggestions welcome :smile:
(especially if something in my English isn't understandable :icon16:)
MidMazar
07-26-2010, 03:51 PM
This is a good idea for gifts and transportion. Escpecially for shipping. Thanks for sharing.
360spider
07-26-2010, 06:56 PM
Great tip. I've been doing that (not quite, but similar) with 1/43 models.
turbothirtytwo
07-26-2010, 11:53 PM
very nice. I am not sure if I could damage chassis with holes when theres detail on it but its great for moving. u can maybe blue-tac the wheels to base?
BTW can I ask where do you buy display boxes? I found tamiyas with mirror on hobby search for very good prize but postage to Slovakia is higher than boxes
BTW can I ask where do you buy display boxes? I found tamiyas with mirror on hobby search for very good prize but postage to Slovakia is higher than boxes
voyageur
07-27-2010, 03:22 AM
very nice. I am not sure if I could damage chassis with holes when theres detail on it but its great for moving. u can maybe blue-tac the wheels to base?
BTW can I ask where do you buy display boxes? I found tamiyas with mirror on hobby search for very good prize but postage to Slovakia is higher than boxes
You may order display boxes here (http://www.scaleproduction.de/product_info.php/language/en/info/p794_Vitrine-SCHUCO.html) or here (http://www.nimpex.de/cgi-bin/shop/front/shop_main.cgi?func=anzeige&wkid=61688065509811415&rub1=Zubeh%F6r&rub2=Vitrinen).
BTW: I the method described above sure is very neat and tidy - but I am quite happy with the easier version of just drilling a hole in the base, placing the model on the base, drilling a hole in the models' chassis and srew it on. Works just as fine, never had problems with it. Just my :2cents:
BTW can I ask where do you buy display boxes? I found tamiyas with mirror on hobby search for very good prize but postage to Slovakia is higher than boxes
You may order display boxes here (http://www.scaleproduction.de/product_info.php/language/en/info/p794_Vitrine-SCHUCO.html) or here (http://www.nimpex.de/cgi-bin/shop/front/shop_main.cgi?func=anzeige&wkid=61688065509811415&rub1=Zubeh%F6r&rub2=Vitrinen).
BTW: I the method described above sure is very neat and tidy - but I am quite happy with the easier version of just drilling a hole in the base, placing the model on the base, drilling a hole in the models' chassis and srew it on. Works just as fine, never had problems with it. Just my :2cents:
Mikezibit
07-27-2010, 03:25 AM
HI rallymaster
I do the same thing, little bit different, but your version is also very good
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco1.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco2.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco4.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco3.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco5.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco6.JPG
Mike
I do the same thing, little bit different, but your version is also very good
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco1.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco2.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco4.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco3.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco5.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco6.JPG
Mike
rallymaster
07-27-2010, 06:53 AM
Hi Guys,
thanks for the kind comments :)
very nice. I am not sure if I could damage chassis with holes when theres detail on it but its great for moving.
I had the same tought than you, but I quickly decided between willingly "damaging" 5mm² of the car (in a place there is normaly few details) or risking to damage the whole car when moving to a modeling show :runaround: :evillol:
BTW can I ask where do you buy display boxes?
I buy Schucco Boxes as in the two links given above. Best quality/price quote, but I buy them directly in stores or in modelling/car event such as Euro motor sport in Luxembourg, to avoid shipping.
BTW: I the method described above sure is very neat and tidy - but I am quite happy with the easier version of just drilling a hole in the base, placing the model on the base, drilling a hole in the models' chassis and srew it on. Works just as fine, never had problems with it. Just my :2cents:
Yes, there isn't inevitably problems when not using nut, I did like that first, especially if only displaying models, but when moving several times by year to modeling event, showing models upside down etc etc if there is no nut at last plastic can brake and bolt come out... That arrived once or two to me, so now I put nut. This is, in my opinion, stronger with it. That gives a longer surface to the bolt to hold the model.
But that's right, on some lighter model, a simple bolt through the model can work well.
HI rallymaster
I do the same thing, little bit different, but your version is also very good
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco1.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco2.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco4.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco3.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco5.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco6.JPG
Mike
Hi Mike,
you also use the simplest and fastest way, but it seems you scew the model after you entirely build it ? I suppose you firstly marked the place where to drill before finishing the build ?
Putting the nut let me see and decide precisely where to screw the model and not risking an accident after finishing it (I know myself so good :runaround: :icon16:) and I finaly consider it's part of my builds on each model, as I display all models in a box now.
I have some models, build in my early times of modeling, which haven't nut inside, and I always couldn't dare to drill them now... Afraid of braking everything :rofl: :p
thanks for the comments and for sharing your own tip and experience. :smile:
thanks for the kind comments :)
very nice. I am not sure if I could damage chassis with holes when theres detail on it but its great for moving.
I had the same tought than you, but I quickly decided between willingly "damaging" 5mm² of the car (in a place there is normaly few details) or risking to damage the whole car when moving to a modeling show :runaround: :evillol:
BTW can I ask where do you buy display boxes?
I buy Schucco Boxes as in the two links given above. Best quality/price quote, but I buy them directly in stores or in modelling/car event such as Euro motor sport in Luxembourg, to avoid shipping.
BTW: I the method described above sure is very neat and tidy - but I am quite happy with the easier version of just drilling a hole in the base, placing the model on the base, drilling a hole in the models' chassis and srew it on. Works just as fine, never had problems with it. Just my :2cents:
Yes, there isn't inevitably problems when not using nut, I did like that first, especially if only displaying models, but when moving several times by year to modeling event, showing models upside down etc etc if there is no nut at last plastic can brake and bolt come out... That arrived once or two to me, so now I put nut. This is, in my opinion, stronger with it. That gives a longer surface to the bolt to hold the model.
But that's right, on some lighter model, a simple bolt through the model can work well.
HI rallymaster
I do the same thing, little bit different, but your version is also very good
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco1.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco2.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco4.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco3.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco5.JPG
http://www.scaleproduction.de/htmlbilder/bilder/schuco6.JPG
Mike
Hi Mike,
you also use the simplest and fastest way, but it seems you scew the model after you entirely build it ? I suppose you firstly marked the place where to drill before finishing the build ?
Putting the nut let me see and decide precisely where to screw the model and not risking an accident after finishing it (I know myself so good :runaround: :icon16:) and I finaly consider it's part of my builds on each model, as I display all models in a box now.
I have some models, build in my early times of modeling, which haven't nut inside, and I always couldn't dare to drill them now... Afraid of braking everything :rofl: :p
thanks for the comments and for sharing your own tip and experience. :smile:
turbothirtytwo
07-27-2010, 02:27 PM
thanx for the links to boxes. scale production is closer to me as I dont speak german, but I am not sure how to order there as I dont see where to check paypal method.there is only written ask for paypal. am I dumb?:)
rallymaster
07-27-2010, 02:57 PM
PM Mikezibit I'm sure he will be able to answer, this is his website ! :)
rsxse240
07-27-2010, 07:06 PM
Why couldn't you just put some small self tapping screws through the tires? when you take your car to a show, take the screws out from the bottom of the base, and you should have a fairly blemish free tire.
leafs004
07-28-2010, 02:44 PM
A trick I use is tie the model to the display base. I would drill two small holes in the base just inside one front and one rear tire (two holes for each tire), loop a piece of fishing line around the suspension, then tie the line. You can remove teh car anytime you want without issue.
nomad_fsoak
08-02-2010, 12:30 PM
I was thinking of sth else...
Using molly screws (like the ones used for fixing drywalls) but in hook version. Like this one...
http://www.srubynakretki.pl/zdjecia/g4.jpg
It's made of 2 pices... we need only the one that is inside (the hook), as it has standard thread (f.e. M4)
We use it to mount the wheels of out model to the display case like that:
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8875/mountingr.th.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8875/mountingr.jpg)
Using molly screws (like the ones used for fixing drywalls) but in hook version. Like this one...
http://www.srubynakretki.pl/zdjecia/g4.jpg
It's made of 2 pices... we need only the one that is inside (the hook), as it has standard thread (f.e. M4)
We use it to mount the wheels of out model to the display case like that:
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8875/mountingr.th.jpg (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8875/mountingr.jpg)
ales
08-02-2010, 01:06 PM
I was thinking of sth else...
This actually looks very interesting! Should you choose to you can also tighten the nut a little to squish the tyres for that compressed under load look :) You have to be quite confident, though, that the wheels/suspension are attached firmly enough to handle the loads (some of mine definitely aren't) and it's not easy to make this work with some types of wheels, especially in older kits. But those are just some considerations, the idea itself is brilliant.
This actually looks very interesting! Should you choose to you can also tighten the nut a little to squish the tyres for that compressed under load look :) You have to be quite confident, though, that the wheels/suspension are attached firmly enough to handle the loads (some of mine definitely aren't) and it's not easy to make this work with some types of wheels, especially in older kits. But those are just some considerations, the idea itself is brilliant.
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