Most Gorgeous F1 ever for sale

I don't think i've seen a better looking F1 (and therefore car) than this (http://www.classicdriver.de/uk/find/4100_dealers_results.asp?next=4100_dealers_results .asp&lCarID=1682131&lCurrency=2&dealerid=1337). It is a GTR 95 originally belonging to the jacadi team. It came fifth at the 1995 le mans. It was then converted to full LM spec and sprayed orange by McLaren at the cost of $230,000. It is for sale at oakfields in england.

Can anyone tell me the whereabouts of the F1 which won the 1995 le mans?

We've actually talked about the LeMans winner recently in here. The best info available says that the car (GTR #01R) remains in the possession of McLaren Cars - possibly in the McLaren museum.

There is a rumor that the Sultan of Brunei purchased the car, but I don't think there is truly any confirmation of that.

I do know that when they loaned the car to the Japanese group who sponsored the car at the '95 LeMans race, they extended them the offer to purchase the car following the race - unless the car won the race - which it did.

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As for the car at Oakfields (GTR #07R), it sort of disappoints me that McLaren Cars would refinish a GTR to appear almost exactly like one of the special edition F1 LM's - but who am I to complain. It does of course look good that way. There is another GTR that has received the same treatment - a '96-spec GTR #11R, but you can still tell those two cars apart in photos, and can also tell that they are not true LMs if you know what to look for.

There is another chapter to #07R's history most aren't aware of. Supposedly the car was sold to AMG following the 1995 racing season, and that AMG apparently used the car to help develop their own GT racing contender - the CLK GTR. It's unclear how long AMG owned the car, but its only competitive racing history is from the 1995 season. Most of the other '95-spec GTRs continued to race into 1996 and two even made appearances in the 1997 season after the long tailed GTRs were introduced.

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i've sent them an email to see if i can view it when i go to england in a week, response looks negative tho, worth a try tho

HOLY SHIT!!! (sorry) the guy just e-mailed me back and........HE SAID I CAN GO AND SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like you're going to have quite the McLaren-filled vacation... :cool:

Be sure to take a camera and lots of film. If it's a digital camera that you are taking, make sure you won't run out of CF cards. Either way, you need to take lots of pictures!

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yep, digital. altho, i don't want to go there just to take tons of photos, i want to look closley at the car too, but i will take pics when i can (some places might not allow it)

Well hopefully people will be accomodating with the photo requests.

If you do get to see this particular car - find out what you can on it's ownership history involving AMG. I find it very interesting that they would have actually purchased an F1 GTR for their CLK-GTR development work. I wonder if the car was just purchased by an executive inside AMG?? There's probably some interesting info to be had on this one if your contact is knowledgable and able to share.

My only other request is that you document the chassis numbers of any cars you encounter. Especially that one in the London showroom we've all gone back and forth on so many times.

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The VIN number is engraved within the carbon fibre on the floor to the right of the gearshift lever if you are sitting in the car (US passenger side in a normal two-seat arrangement).

I can't remember where the big plate is located--I don't think it is on the door jamb--maybe it's in one of the storage compartments. Anyone know?

Originally posted by Peloton25
Well hopefully people will be accomodating with the photo requests.

If you do get to see this particular car - find out what you can on it's ownership history involving AMG. I find it very interesting that they would have actually purchased an F1 GTR for their CLK-GTR development work. I wonder if the car was just purchased by an executive inside AMG?? There's probably some interesting info to be had on this one if your contact is knowledgable and able to share.

My only other request is that you document the chassis numbers of any cars you encounter. Especially that one in the London showroom we've all gone back and forth on so many times.

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yes, i just hope i can remember them all. my main goal is to find out what the mclaren in the park lane showroom chassis' number is. from what i've heard about the lady, it seems unlikley that she will tell me, so i guess i will have to go look myself, are you allowed to walk around it. also what is the really nice hotel down the road from it, i remember passing it and out of about 10 cars 8 were rolls/bentleys and the other 2 were mercs. anyone know?

The Dorchester

The main VIN plates are in the front compartment (under the bonnet), from which you access the fluids.

Originally posted by tvrfreak
The main VIN plates are in the front compartment (under the bonnet), from which you access the fluids.

all i want is the chassis number, which is right near where u put the key in. i'll also take a pic of it (or try to)

This image is from the recent set of photos that came from the Park Lane dealer. Note the large plaque in the engine compartment that I have circled in red.

http://a0.cpimg.com/image/20/5B/19660320-7443-028001E0-.jpg

I have never seen a good photo of this plaque from any McLaren ever.

I do believe it is a standard item though, as you can also see it in this photo of the engine compartment on Selldorff's #007:

http://a6.cpimg.com/image/58/5D/19660376-42dc-02580190-.jpg

If you could get a good photo of this I would really appreciate it. It doesn't matter to me which car you get it from, I'm just very interested in the info that is included on it.

If anyone already has a good photo of this plaque, please post it. I suspect it is simply info pertaining to the engine, but as I said, I'm quite curious to see one. Especially since it seems to be such an oversight for most people.

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Originally posted by Peloton25
Especially since it seems to be such an oversight for most people.

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Yeah, I'm guilty of that too. It's just something that I glanced at and never gave it a second thought. I believe that it states the engine number, tranny number, and some misc lubrication information. If no one comes through with a picture I will remember to get one the next time I see the car.

One more thing about the chassis in Park Lane. Everyone is so far correct on the VIN and chassis number plate (underneath the carpeting on the right passenger footwell up close to the dash, and in front of the shifter, respectively) but if this is the Clinic Model or XP3 it may not have a VIN number. It may not even have a chassis plaque. Some manufacturers don't assign VIN numbers to prototypes. I'll just have to wait and see.

Well, it does have the chassis plaque ahead of the shifter where the ignition key goes. I think if I could get the hi-res version of this photo, we might actually be able to read it. So far, the person who found this set of photos has been unable to acquire the high res shots.

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no probs peloton, i'll see what i can do, any more info you may want to inform me about this particular gtr for me to ask the guy?

Pretty much everything else I know about the car is well documented. Maybe you can learn some new stuff though.

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ok cool

Originally posted by Peloton25
Well, it does have the chassis plaque ahead of the shifter where the ignition key goes. I think if I could get the hi-res version of this photo, we might actually be able to read it. So far, the person who found this set of photos has been unable to acquire the high res shots.

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i was lookig at that picture of that plaque, and i can't help noticing how much writing its got on it, if you look closely it as about 6 lines of writing, and all of the other chassis # plaques i've seen haven't had that much wrighting on them, maybe there is something in that ,or possibly mclaren removed the plaque in case people like us find out waht car it is

Originally posted by Peloton25
Well, it does have the chassis plaque ahead of the shifter where the ignition key goes. I think if I could get the hi-res version of this photo, we might actually be able to read it. So far, the person who found this set of photos has been unable to acquire the high res shots.

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i was lookig at that picture of that plaque, and i can't help noticing how much writing its got on it, if you look closely it as about 6 lines of writing, and all of the other chassis # plaques i've seen haven't had that much wrighting on them, maybe there is something in that ,or possibly mclaren removed the plaque in case people like us find out waht car it is

see: lets compare this pic to the turner motorsport plaque:


http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?s=&postid=989454

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/McLaren/mf1_interior_gordon.jpg



don't look the same do they?

NOTE: look at on the turner motorsport car there is a line abouve and below where the chassis number is written, clearly there are no lines on the cars plaque that is on park lane.

I see the lines rather clearly on the Park Lane car's plaque... :confused:

The formatting seems to be exactly the same from my perspective. You can let us know for sure in a few weeks though... :)

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ok whatever

also notice the handbrake is off in the p.l. car

We don't know if the handbrake is off or not, and most probably, it is engaged. They have the type of handbrake where the handle pushes back down after it is pulled up. Quite a few sports cars have this. You have to lift the handbrake handle up until it engages, then lower it, in order to release the handbrake. It is never left in the "up" position.

Besides being normal in a lot of cars, it is necessary in the McLaren because you need to slide over it in order to get in or out. The gearshift lever is in the way if you try to use the other side.

Originally posted by tvrfreak
We don't know if the handbrake is off or not, and most probably, it is engaged. They have the type of handbrake where the handle pushes back down after it is pulled up. Quite a few sports cars have this. You have to lift the handbrake handle up until it engages, then lower it, in order to release the handbrake. It is never left in the "up" position.

Besides being normal in a lot of cars, it is necessary in the McLaren because you need to slide over it in order to get in or out. The gearshift lever is in the way if you try to use the other side.

i didn't know about the pull up go down thing, and i didn't think about the getting in problem

yeah, it's a bit weird. to engage, you lift up, and then once the handbrake is engaged, you can lower the handle back out of the way. it feels very loose on the way back down.

to disengage, you lift the handle again until it catches. the lever feels very loose on the way up this time, at least until it catches. now you lower it, releasing the handbrake.

the lotus esprit has the same type of handbrake. i know a few other cars do too.

thats wierd, if i had that in a lotus i would forget to engage and dissengage cause i don't even ned to get over it or whatever

Peloton, and others, here is the plaque located on the right rear shock mount. It contains engine information. Sorry for the poor quality.

It reads:

ENGINE SETTINGS

Firing Order
Tappet Clearances
Ignition Timing
Spark Plug Type
Spark Plug Gap
Idle Speed (Neutral)
Idle Mixture

And the second from bottom sentance says something about all engine specs taken at normal operating temperature. The bottom sentance is the minimum octane rating (98 RON Unleaded)

And while the car is here for some service work I decided to take a picture of the front suspension through the vacant headlight opening.

There's no significance to this other than it was there and I could photograph it.

Originally posted by drewwtms
Peloton, and others, here is the plaque located on the right rear shock mount. It contains engine information. Sorry for the poor quality.


Thanks Drew - I really appreciate you remembering my request! Don't worry about the quality - if you're camera doesn't have a macro setting, it would be almost impossible to get a clear shot. I'll settle for this till I'm able to take my own photo - beggars can't be choosers you know. :)

I'm loving how dirty that suspension arm is - honestly! That tells me that this car actually gets used on a regular basis. I would suspect that the owner is one of the few (like Dan Kennedy) who uses up all of the allotted 2500 miles that Show&Display exemption allows for every year. That's exactly what I'd do if I was an F1 owner.

BTW - I have another odd photo request that maybe you can handle for me. I need a picture of the tread pattern of the Michelin Pilot SX FZ that is mounted on the front wheels. There's several decent shots of the rear tire on different F1s including a shot from #007 on the TMS site, but I haven't been able to find a great shot of the front pattern. Someone at another site was claiming that the Gunmetal F1 from Woodside that was posted recently had a mismatched set of tires because the front tread pattern looks nothing like the rear. I told him he was wrong and tried my best to prove it with the crapy photos I have. Anyway, if you can pull that off I will owe you once again. ;)

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Greetings All..

My first post in this chat forum.. Here is a tread image for your perusal.. Not sure if Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson) and his crashed F1 display the tread pattern in question - but it may help Peleton25?

Also have the manufacturers plague of 19R around somewhere so I will post it..

In relation to the 01R Lemans winner; the board of McLaren F1 passed a motion that this vehicle would NEVER be sold. I believe it is under close watch in the same containment area as the R&D boys.. In Woking HQ that is...

FYI. The Sultan of Brunei's brother owned an F1 but receivers sold it (and his GTO, F40, F50) when the Royal family got upset with the younger brothers excessive spending habits in 1999.

Really interesting info about the AMG boyz!

I think you may be right on about that tread pattern - I'll wait for Drew to confirm and if so, then I have no need for a new photo unless he's really bored. ;)

Thanks for the confirmation on #01R staying put - I was fairly certain, but didn't have that level of detail on the situation.

BTW: A guy named "McLarenF1GTR" really should spend more time in this forum - yes/no ?? :D ;)

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Just noticed the post about certain owners "actually using" their McLarens.. I agree, its terrible when collectors put a thoroughbred in a museum and NEVER drive it.. Nothing wrong with collectors or museums, just a sin to never drive it!

As you saw in previous post, Mr Beans accident was rumoured locally to have been caused by 19 year old in a delivery van cutting him off, at low speeds (15-30Mph) in central Oxford. UK.

Speaking of which, when I was last visiting a mate in the Oxon region.. We were out giving his new TVR Cerbera a >140MPH blast, when suddenly an F1 with head lights blaring, roared up behind us and flew past... we could only assume that it was none other than Mr Bean (who lives down the road) as it matched the colour in my previous post.

An outstanding motoring moment that I treaure.. Ive never seen or heard of someone being passed on a country road at >140MPH etc.. And he just pulled away effortlessly, and unlike us, the McLaren looked incredible stable with lots of downforce as we were starting to feel very light in the front etc..

One more chassis plague (19R) for your collection...

Right, two questions...
1. Who's your friend with the Cerbie? I hope I know him.
2. What interesting info on the AMG are you referring to?

By the way, welcome!!!!
Rgds,
TVRfreak

look at this part, it's pierced, and not like that on the drewwtms' photo ! (to be lighter ?)

http://membres.lycos.fr/mclarenwallpaper/Image3b.jpg

I'm rebuilding my McLaren 3D model, and I realy realy realy need such kind of details to make the best model as possible. If you have such pictures could you post them ( or send by email).

Thanks

I know I have seen a huge one haging on the wall at someone's home...I can't remember who! If I do, I will track it down. I think it was a private commission and cost a lot. There was some inscription at the bottom...

Wow - that's an amazing photo jkbon - thanks for sharing it. I don't think I have many shots that come close to that level of detail that aren't in "Driving Ambition". I'll have to scour my collection and see if I can help you out.

Sure would be nice if there was a great David Kimble cut-away drawing (http://www.drivewerks.com/catalog/shopcart/DWKS/POR_DWKS_POSTCH-detail.htm) of the F1...

BTW: That appears to be a photo of GTR #11R based on the Orange/Black paint scheme. This car raced in the '96 BPR Global GT Championship and at the '96 24hrs of LeMans under the Franck Muller Watch livery. I initially thought it was an LM based on the color, but several things like that additional scoop on the roof prove otherwise.

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EDIT: Best picture I could find on short notice...

Originally posted by tvrfreak
I know I have seen a huge one haging on the wall at someone's home...I can't remember who! If I do, I will track it down. I think it was a private commission and cost a lot. There was some inscription at the bottom...

Ooops - I deleted my post that you were responding to so that I could attach that photo. I was just going to post again, but then mini_magic would have hassled me for replying two times in a row... ;)

Please do try to find out about the McLaren cut-away. Was the car in the drawing green by chance? I might have an image of what you're talking about if so. It's not a great photo though...

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Originally posted by tvrfreak
2. What interesting info on the AMG are you referring to?

I didn't get that at first either, but...

He was talking about my comments at the start of this thread - which was originally about GTR #07R being for sale. If you look back to the first page, you'll see that I learned this car was purchased by AMG following the 1995 BPR season and was used to help develop the CLK-GTR.

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peloton, i never break a promise:wink: so here it is taken from chassis #11.

i'm also gonna post 3 other pics, yep, only 3, and don't bitch to me about why i put mini magic on them....I took the initiative to go, I took the pics, and so i don't want them all over the web. OK?

..

crap, the other 2 pics are too big, i'll resize and post them tomorrow.

I'm still amazed how lucky you were with that car being auctioned the same time you were over there. Thanks for the pictures, but I might suggest that you use a font to put your name on the photos instead of scribbling it with MS Paint?? :D

Thanks for grabbing that first shot of the plaque in the engine bay. I've always wanted to know what the firing order was - honestly!

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Thanks for the pics mini_magic :bigthumb:

But PLEASE don't write like this in the middle of the pics :frown:

Originally posted by Peloton25


I didn't get that at first either, but...

He was talking about my comments at the start of this thread - which was originally about GTR #07R being for sale. If you look back to the first page, you'll see that I learned this car was purchased by AMG following the 1995 BPR season and was used to help develop the CLK-GTR.

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i didn't get to oakfields to ask...next year

Originally posted by tvrfreak
Hey,
McLaren goofed in that engine plaque. There's no closing bracket at the end of the C02 line...should read (0.2%) <- This is missing!!!!




that was sharp of you!

they are truly outstanding pics of 11R at Christies Mini Magic. BUT i dont understand why you defaced them? we all know you posted them, so kudo's goes to you etc..

does anyone know if it (11R) sold?

Here is a recent shot of 16R showing rear tyre tread.. Currently for sale at 695k Sterling.. Ex-BMW fina team etc.. 11th at LeMans 96, and 4th at Silverstone 4hr with Nelson Piquet behind the wheel.. one of four GTR road converted cars, (with) the race spec still inside.. *ah* yes please!

cheers,

Hi all.


Originally posted by tvrfreak
Hey,
McLaren goofed in that engine plaque. There's no closing bracket at the end of the C02 line...should read (0.2%) <- This is missing!!!!

I looked close and I think it is a < symbol not a bracket. Oh I love all the pics and info.

I think you might be right about that. If you look at the photo that Drew posted of the plaque, it's exactly the same.

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It is a "<". Seen it. Not suppose to be Grammatically Correct. All manufacturers have done this to indicate "less than". Real manufacturers do this for regulatory reasons. Compare this symbol to the parentheses elsewhere and you will see the difference.

Originally posted by McLarenF1GTR
they are truly outstanding pics of 11R at Christies

does anyone know if it (11R) sold?


I missed this before, but I just thought I would clarify - the Christie's Auction car is a road car, not a GTR. The chassis number is #011 and it was built in 1994. It received the LM-Kit or HDF package in 1998 during a complete refit at the McLaren Cars factory.

The car did sell at Christie's Auciton - to quote from a previous post of tvrfreak's in a different thread:


535,000 GBP was the hammer price
102,720 GBP was the 19.5% buyer's premium
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637,720 GBP Total.

At today's exchange rate ($1.6836 to the pound), that works out to 1,073,665.25 USD, which is pretty much in line with what these cars are commanding in Europe these days.


BTW: 11R is one of the Orange GTR's - there's at least one or two threads here on that car.

Not a huge issue, but I didn't want anyone to be confused.

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Hello,

someone can tell us why the ad change on http://www.carclassic.com/html/CW33.htm ?

They now speak about 310,000$ of bill paid to McLaren Cars and 1,350,000$ of asking price ?

Ciao
Phil

The car that is for sale at the start of this thread is chassis #07R. The ex-Jacadi 5th placed Le Mans car.

I had the privilege to actually drive in this car at Knockhill Circuit in Scotland in 1998, when the previous owner, an oil-industry tycoon in Scotland owned the car. IIRC it came in from France and arrived painted orange and silver. I actually had one of my 1/12th scale Mclaren's painted to match the car as it was when I drove in it ...

Lined up beside this behemoth you see three other scales (1/43rd, 1/64th and 1/87th from Minichamps)

http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20001.jpg

A close-up of the front compartment clearly showing Kenwood's Autochanger and the Clutch/Brake Fluid reservoirs. Even the tyre pressure stickers are readable! This section, although not captured on camera, is sheeted in 1/12th scale carbon film.

http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20008.jpg

http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20002.jpg

If you look closely enough you can see the shadow of the F1-logo'd Saint Gobain glass sticker on the rear quarter window!

http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20004.jpg

http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20003.jpg

http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20006.jpg

http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20007.jpg

And a final shot. Nice shiny gold leafed engine bay.
http://www.gezzza.dsl.pipex.com/images/stuff/McLaren%20F1%20005.jpg

Hello Murray,

thank you for these infos, you're a lucky man :)

Just two questions :
1) when you drove the car, is it rebuilt or not ?
2) you said : "it came in from France and arrived painted orange and silver", can you explain more please ? Is it located in France for example ?

Ciao
Phil

Niiiiiiice painting job!!! :iceslolan
Did you do it yourself????


Lokks gooood :naughty:

Hello Murray,

thank you for these infos, you're a lucky man :)

Just two questions :
1) when you drove the car, is it rebuilt or not ?
2) you said : "it came in from France and arrived painted orange and silver", can you explain more please ? Is it located in France for example ?

Ciao
Phil


I don't really understand the question #1.

Hope this answers both questions.

The car was basically the 'standard' GTR with open exhausts, slicks and a slab of foam rubber making up a passenger "seat" to the driver's left. The car had, however, been resprayed from the Jacadi liveried blue to a two-tone orange and silver before it was brought to Scotland by the previous owner. The guy who bought it and brought it Scotland, where it was based during his ownership, didn't like the orange and silver and had it repainted after I drove in it in Papaya Orange.

Niiiiiiice painting job!!! :iceslolan
Did you do it yourself????


Lokks gooood :naughty:


Thank you.

Unfortunately these photos don't do it any justice whatsoever. The paintwork and rebuild, which included carbon detailing, 'fake' alacantara and leather (dark blue and orange), real gold leaf, the pedals being drilled rather than 'just' embossed, etc., etc. was conducted by a good friend of mine in Scotland, Mark Forrest who's won some pretty impressive modelling awards in the past. Top Modeller. Top Geezer too!

I actually noticed in this forum another custom 1/12th F1, which has, as the GTR I drove in, the airvents drilled above the front wheel arches. I'd have liked that too, but didn't suggest of it when it was being built. Unfortunately. :(

I actually noticed in this forum another custom 1/12th F1, which has, as the GTR I drove in, the airvents drilled above the front wheel arches. I'd have liked that too, but didn't suggest of it when it was being built. Unfortunately. :([/QUOTE]


Are you referring to the one I buildt?????? :screwy:

It is in pictured in it's own tread a while back ago.

I'm currently working on a 1:12 custom LM.
Can't find a decent rear wing for it..... :banghead:

I actually noticed in this forum another custom 1/12th F1, which has, as the GTR I drove in, the airvents drilled above the front wheel arches. I'd have liked that too, but didn't suggest of it when it was being built. Unfortunately. :(


Are you referring to the one I buildt?????? :screwy:

It is in pictured in it's own tread a while back ago.

I'm currently working on a 1:12 custom LM.
Can't find a decent rear wing for it..... :banghead:[/QUOTE]


If you built the one I saw, then that's the one. Nice work indeed!