find your bimmer underpowered?

hey.. I drove my buddies 325i 88' and i found it alot faster then my 318'
i mean alot fucking faster...

do u think that this is just because the 6cylinder oposed to 4cylinder... or do u think my car has just been bagged to shit..??

anyone own a 91' 318is?

k.. let me put it this way..

i want to drive fast!
is the 318' (well tunned) gonna get me goin?

You're practically talking another liter here, plus its an inline 6 (and inline 6 engines are amazing engines), and naturally its more powerful ;)

Originally posted by escalix
k.. let me put it this way..

i want to drive fast!
is the 318' (well tunned) gonna get me goin?

NO. Just like any other 4 cylinder make, you want power? get a V8.

i dont think that gettin an 8 is the only way to get power, the E46 M3 can keep up with most of the high performance 8's like the vipers and vette z06's yet it is just the same inline 6 in the 330, well except for the fact that the M department got a hold of it. . .

Originally posted by Celsdogg
i dont think that gettin an 8 is the only way to get power, the E46 M3 can keep up with most of the high performance 8's like the vipers and vette z06's yet it is just the same inline 6 in the 330, well except for the fact that the M department got a hold of it. . .

Of course the M3 is fast. But if he's driving a 318, I don't think he can afford an M3.

Uhm kaoru therefore your argument is pointless and an attack on inline4-6 bimmers ;) LoL.. technology vs raw power.. its all out there somewhere. Inline 6 engines are the most beatiful besides v12 engines. Also don't forget maybe the 318 doesn't have VANOS i dont know it should i suppose. Vanos is like vtec, vvti, etc.. etc.. variable valve timing system in bimmers.

Your best bet is A. another engine, B. turbo, but you want to first make the car breath properely so that should be your first priority as in with any other turbo specification.

Remember your clutch will suffer so be prepared for that.

Originally posted by gigatron
Uhm kaoru therefore your argument is pointless and an attack on inline4-6 bimmers ;) LoL.. technology vs raw power.. its all out there somewhere. Inline 6 engines are the most beatiful besides v12 engines. Also don't forget maybe the 318 doesn't have VANOS i dont know it should i suppose. Vanos is like vtec, vvti, etc.. etc.. variable valve timing system in bimmers.

Your best bet is A. another engine, B. turbo, but you want to first make the car breath properely so that should be your first priority as in with any other turbo specification.

Remember your clutch will suffer so be prepared for that.

how about giving us some links to companies that sell turbo kits for the 318. And prices because I'm very interested how much time he'll have to pimp himself on the street to pay for all this.

Kaoru, what kind of BMW do you drive?

You sound like you must drive a really nice M5 or something considering your comments.

Lets hear about your rich lifestyle BMW?

Originally posted by M-Ulatr
Kaoru, what kind of BMW do you drive?

You sound like you must drive a really nice M5 or something considering your comments.

Lets hear about your rich lifestyle BMW?

Maybe you can fill us in on the maintenace costs, and list mechanics that are going to be able to fix/tune the turbo, because only a handfull of qualified ones are around and they charge a fortune.
REALITY CHECK:Just because you read a lot of car magazines doesn't mean you know squat.

escalix, if you want power the 318 is the wrong car, get a 325.

Originally posted by Celsdogg
i dont think that gettin an 8 is the only way to get power, the E46 M3 can keep up with most of the high performance 8's like the vipers and vette z06's yet it is just the same inline 6 in the 330, well except for the fact that the M department got a hold of it. . .

actually if you had done your homework you would know that the e46 m3 is actually a 3.2 litre. and the next m3 will boast a v8

I know it is a 3.2 liter. i memberized everything about that car. its the S54 engine, 3.2 liter inline 6 that puts out 333 hp @7900 rpm and 262 lb/ft of torque at 4900 rpm. 0 - 60 in 4.8 secs and is 3781 lbs. i have all this and more posted on my wall at work along with a bunch of other bimmers, all bimmers i want but wont have at least for a little while.

the S54 engine is a much improved derevitive of the M54 engine that is in the 330, 530, X5 3.0, 530, Z4 3.0, Z3 3.0. .etc. . .

Pfft kits? You on crack lol ;) I implied homemade :P

Here some guys with cool tuned bimmers:

http://home.att.net/~jroal/jay/bmw.htm
http://home.att.net/~jroal/jay/clints.html
http://www.pbase.com/sonikmuffin/turbobmw318i
http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/bmw_home.html
http://home.att.net/~nastroma/blacky.html
http://www.cardomain.com/id/gary318it
http://www.e30.f4.ca/
http://www.geocities.com/~bmwfanatic/
http://www.bmwe30.net/

some of my bimmer links

keep in mind that as with any turbo/super charging upgrade, you better make sure the rest of your car can handle the extra power. if your car already has a decent amount of miles on it, its not going to be too happy. even if your car has 0 miles on it your going to need to upgrade other things. your also going to need to upgrade you breaks so your car has the stopping power needed to offset the extra horse power.

oh yeah, most turbo/super charging kits are fairly expensive, so it would have to be a custom self made, also include the cost to install if your not mechanically inclined. otherwise, you would probably be better off selling your 318 and trying to find a 93-94 325, or possible a 328 which has 25 extra ft lbs of torque

dont know about the states but the european version as usual gets more power with 343 bhp at 7900rpm.

Yup just about any import is downgraded in north america

yeah, its not so much that they are downgraded, it is more that they are put throught stricter standards for a few thngs for emissions for example. like the 330i puts out 225 hp in the states and i thnk 231 for europe standards. . .it really stinks :(

I am amazed that so many are really trying to give this guy feedback on how to make a 318 a race horse!!
I am no snob and certainly didnt think my 325i was going to smash world speed records, but conm, a 318!!!????:grey:

Originally posted by GJM325i
I am amazed that so many are really trying to give this guy feedback on how to make a 318 a race horse!!
I am no snob and certainly didnt think my 325i was going to smash world speed records, but conm, a 318!!!????:grey:

well, the engine in my avatar is the same engine as the 318, but it has well over 1,500 horsepower. So the engine has racing potential. But for the road, the guy's going to spend $10,000 jut to get 190 hp. When a 325 will do 200 hp (reliably) with a simple intake/exhaust and chip upgrade. Some prefer it the hard way though.:cool:

It's called challenge and waste of money :P

Originally posted by Celsdogg
i dont think that gettin an 8 is the only way to get power, the E46 M3 can keep up with most of the high performance 8's like the vipers and vette z06's yet it is just the same inline 6 in the 330, well except for the fact that the M department got a hold of it. . .

I don't know what you're smoking, but for raw power the Vette's got it hands down. I own both, an E46 330 and an '01 Vette, and I am here to tell you I can burn the tires off of the Vette in no time.
Don't get me wrong I love my 330. It's pure precision and a joy to drive. It has very good power and performance, and a whole list of accessory goodies that I can't get on the Vette. But if you want to be the big dog in town, it's hard to compete with a performance V8.
Just my opinion.:ylsuper :sun:

im not so much sure of the power of the vette however. . .

i was watching a special on the past detroit auto show and they put a the viper (10 cyl) aganist the vette z06 (8 cylinder). both performed the 0-60 in about 5 secs or lower. the m3 is the same at a 0-60 in 4.8 secs.

just what i've seen. . .

i think we may be confusing what i am saying here.

the 4.8 second car i am talking about is the E46 M3. not the 330i. however the M3 and the 330's share the same engine. the 330 uses the M54 engine and for the M3 the M Department took the M54 engine and developed the S54 engine which is in the M3. . .

Displacment, cylinder count, engine type, etc... they don't really matter.. there can be a number of combinations... heck sure 12 cylinder 10liter engine but if its out of plastic it literally wont last a second... lol in other words there are other factors like material make.. is it an inline engine is it a v engine is it a multi v design, is it a boxer engine... is it a rotary engine, again what material is it made of.. what design does it have... principles, other sophisticated principles applied, computer managment, variable valve timing.. number of valves, and then not just the engine, what about the drive system is it fwd, awd, rwd, what kind of transmission (one of the most important aspects), the weigh of the car, what if any kind of forced induction system, air rams, turbocharger , supercharger, twin charged?, etc... so on and so forth.... doesn't matter if u put a 10L or 1L engine if u dont take into consideration the other facts.. and a 5L engine doesnt mean uve got the king of cars.. look at mustangs lol.. overbloated unsophisticated engines.. the 80s mustangs suck so much :P Then take a look at a DSM... how much they can pump out of an inline engine, what about surpas with their 3L inline 6 (inline 6 engines are golden as much as V12 engines very unique in the way they function the 'vibrations' etc...), or what about the skyline engines? 1000+ out of that 'tiny' engine? hmm.. :) What kind of fuel? Disel? heh how come disel engines are big but.. ya... sure lots of torque (makes sense) but.. :P

Don't lose hope your bimmer has a soul and therefore a destiny ;) Turbocharging the 318 is the best way to go i suppose.. internal engine work too... but in the end it might cost more then its worth in the end in turn getting a different bimmer engine would be more economical and THEN working on that engine :P M3 engine is all ud need ud be in love bro :/ You could always go for an M70 lol... jk ;) Hmm the M8 prototype engines eventually evolved into mclaren f1 engines.. i iwsh i had the schematics to the mclaren f1.. man would i be a lucky man

i agree with all that. honda squeezed 240hp out of a 2L 4 cylinder with th S2000, only 160 or so lb/ft of torque, but it does depend on many factors.

just one thing i would like everyone to consider.

bmw does not develop turbo/super charged engines. bmw engineers do not agree with the practice. . . just something to consider when charging your bimmer. . .

:alien:

There were prototypes which were turbocharged.. in fact one of the concept cars not too long ago from bmw was turbocharged ('concept' keep that in mind) i forget which but when i saw it i was like hmm nice.

Of course there was tuner bimmers from alpina and the like which were turbo'd actually.. hmm i wish i had some links.

bmw may only produce n/a cars but they support companies that make chargers and other performance mods for them. Atleast they support Dinan. Now to the vette guy.....oh boy first let me say that the ZO6, which is the fastest, barely, i mean barely, beats the m3 which seats four by the way. i think your doing your beemer an injustice to compare it to that rattle trap, piece of american engineered shit vette. Maybe i shouldnt go that far. but i have had many vette owners talk about how their vettes were rattle traps after three years
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barely beats the M3? u must be on some good crack boy . . .

go to any real BMW forum . . . m3forum.com, e36fanatics.com, etc., and all the e46 owners will tell u that without a doubt the M3 is no match for the z06

u have to learn to face the facts . . . if u cant . . . at least do the math

M3 weighs in at ~36-3800 lbs (depending on options). . . the s54 makes 333 hp and is torque challenged (especially in lower RPMs) with something like ~260 lb ft of torque (peak)

z06 weighs in at ~3100 lbs . . . the ls6 makes 400 crank hp with more torque at any powerband then a sane person on a public road would know what to do with . . . ive seen video of an sl55 getting beat by a z06 from bmwm5.com . . . dont even begin to tell me the M3 is a match for the sl55 in a drag race, let alone the z06 . . .

boy were u sorrily mistaken

Check Downing Atlanta Superchargers to soup up your 318.

the simple fact is i was talking about the z06 that had 385 hp and 385 ft/lbs torque. not the brand new one. and if you would take the time to look up the showdowns between the cars you would see the zo6 is not much faster. not to mention the beemer is a much more rigid and solid car than the vette not to mention it holds four passengers. and the 400 plus hp will only rattle that vette apart quicker, and why i am at it the next generation m3 will have a v8 and over 400 hp so that should definiately shut your mouth because i know your not gonna let yourself believe that a corvette that has nearly the same hp as the next m3 would actually outrun it. lets play a numbers game. you said how the vette was lighter and it is, it also has a v8 nearly double the size of the m3 motor. it also boast 138 ft/lb of torque more than the m3 and 72 more hp. and i am talking about the 2003 zo6 and the 2003 m3. both cars run 13's the vette 13.10s and the m3 13.60s and the 0 to 60 is tighter with the vette at 4.5 and the m at 4.8. so genius tell me how the m3 doesnt run with the piece of shit rattle trap zo6 since you have all the answers and this is for you :finger: when the next gen. m3 comes out and the zo6 will be left in the dust.

the simple fact is i was talking about the z06 that had 385 hp and 385 ft/lbs torque. not the brand new one.

oh im sorry, 20hp less . . . that means the e46 is what, only 52 hp short? lol . . . ANY and i mean ANY z06 will eat an M3

and if you would take the time to look up the showdowns between the cars you would see the zo6 is not much faster.

thats laughable, all the magazine comparos have echoed each other 'the z06 is the poor man's track car, and the M3 is the luxo coupe with nice handling and nice power on tap' essentially the z06 excels at performance whereas the e46 excels at driver comfort with good performance to boot

not to mention the beemer is a much more rigid and solid car than the vette not to mention it holds four passengers.

why are u bringing up rigidty when clearly the issue has been "straightline performance? even at the track the z06 is more nimble with more power to boot, it has been proven time and time again which car is the real sports coupe

if we are talking straightline performance, rigidity will virtually have no impact when comparing two different cars (i would understand if we were comparing the M3 coupe vs convertible, because then rigidity plays a role in two equally setup cars)

i doubt u can even provide me solid evidence (aka data) to back up ur claim that the M3 is more rigid, let alone give me a reason why this would effect two totally different cars' straightline performance

and four passengers . . . yes, that is true, the M3 can hold four passengers, only further showing u the difference between the z06's dominance in the performance category and the M3's dominance in the "performance/luxury equilibrium" category

and the 400 plus hp will only rattle that vette apart quicker

explain what u mean by that . . . because i have no idea wtf u are trying to say

and why i am at it the next generation m3 will have a v8 and over 400 hp so that should definiately shut your mouth because i know your not gonna let yourself believe that a corvette that has nearly the same hp as the next m3 would actually outrun it

ok, u want to compare next generation cars? even the e90 M3 is behind, its speculated to come out 2006 or 2007 . . . compare that with the upcoming release of even the BASE c6 corvette (out next year with around 500hp and said to have an improvement on the luxury factor/interior appointments)

i would sure as hell hope a performance car for MY 2006-07 would be able to AT LEAST keep up with a car that was made from 01-03, 3-4 years is a pretty significant gap, wouldnt u agree?

lets play a numbers game. you said how the vette was lighter and it is, it also has a v8 nearly double the size of the m3 motor. it also boast 138 ft/lb of torque more than the m3 and 72 more hp.

ok, so u understand all this . . . do u realize how foolish it is to compare these two cars in the category of performance?

and i am talking about the 2003 zo6 and the 2003 m3.

didnt u earlier state u were talking about the 01 z06 with '385 hp and 385 lb ft of torque' (as u put it)?

both cars run 13's the vette 13.10s and the m3 13.60s and the 0 to 60 is tighter with the vette at 4.5 and the m at 4.8. so genius tell me how the m3 doesnt run with the piece of shit rattle trap zo6

with the best 6MT driver in the M3 and a beginner in the z06, i could see how these times would be possible . . . line these cars up at the strip with normal drivers and u will see from the 60' launch to the end of the 1/4 mile, the z06 will absolutely dominate . . . the e46 will look like its going backwards

btw in bone stock z06s, very good drivers have been posting times in the very high 11s and low 12s, the best i have personally seen from an e46 has been a very high 12 to low 13, do u know how bad a one second gap looks when both cars are going 100+ mph? the M3 looks as if its aboslutely getting slaughtered

when the next gen. m3 comes out and the zo6 will be left in the dust.

by making this statement its as if u recognize the fact that the z06 vs current e46 M3 is a bad performance comparison, i personally agree to this

if we were talking whats the better car over all and what car i would rather have as a daily driver i would probably tell u an M3, but performance at any rate this comparo goes hands down to the z06

i would sure as hell hope that a performance car that comes out 4+ MYs later will boast better figures then a dated design . . . as i said earlier, 1-2 MYs before this, the C6 will be out (were talking 450-500 hp for the base C6 compared to 350 for the C5) . . . i can only imagine what kind of a performance car that generation's z06 would be . . . a little food for thought

(i cant believe i just wasted al this time responding to such an incoherent, unthought out post filled with drivel about how the e46 M3 is a better performance car then the z06 . . . next time if u feel like posting something this stupid, can u at least post in paragraphs? it would be a lot easier to read)

heres the thing, i originally said that the m3 would run with the zo6. thats not saying it will smoke the vette. but to me its pretty damn impressive when a car that has nearly a 50 percent smaller engine, is heavier and seats four can reasonably keep up with the baddest vette to date. and i wont back off my statement that chevy makes rattletraps and that includes the vette. and i think you have too much time on your hands to break down every line i said. yes at first i was talking about the older zo6, but since you were so into your vette i just figured i would use an 03 in comparison to the m3 since there is no sense in arguing about the older models. if you read my original reply i just said that he shouldnt compare his bmw to a vette. bottom line chevy produces shit, compared to the precision built bmw, and i thought it was funny when he said you cant compete with the performance of a v8, i just feel like the m3 does a pretty impressive job, and thats what got all of this started. so you can go :thefinger yourself

I haven't been here in like 2 months and I come back to this, you car guys need to get a life...fucking pathetic:loser:

Originally posted by badboy325is
if you read my original reply i just said that he shouldnt compare his bmw to a vette.

if he shouldnt, why r u comparing it to the vette? :rolleyes:

bottom line chevy produces shit, compared to the precision built bmw

precision built? yeah the s54 was precisely built, precisely built to grenade under the hood of unsuspecting drivers . . . that is

and i thought it was funny when he said you cant compete with the performance of a v8, i just feel like the m3 does a pretty impressive job

pretty impressive job? that is ur opinion . . . i certainly dont think its an impressive job when the z06 blows right by the M3 . . . honestly have u seen these cars in a drag? the M3 looks as if its going in reverse


. . . close, but no cigar buddy . . . telling me to go fuck myself, telling me chevy makes peices of shit . . . none of it offends me, the only thing in ur posts that offends me is ur clear stupidity in regards to cars in general and specifically the z06 vs e46 M3 debate

u need to learn to get ur head out of ur BMW loving ass and realize that the M3 isnt all that . . . as an all around car its one of the best, but when u start comparing that overweight pig to REAL sports coupes, prepare to put ur flame suit on

when u start comparing that overweight pig to REAL sports coupes, prepare to put ur flame suit on

How can you call the Vett a real sports coup when all it can do well is a stright line:rolleyes: Vetts are cool but suck in the handling department, compared to the M3 that is. However that goes for most muscle cars their just built to do stright line. Also the M3 not a real sports coup:wtf: its one of the best all around sports coups out there. The M3 is built to own the track(A.K.A-REAL RACING) and go straight line fast to. However I do agree the Vett is a better stright line flyer and the M3 is heavy.


btw in bone stock z06s, very good drivers have been posting times in the very high 11s and low 12s, the best i have personally seen from an e46 has been a very high 12 to low 13, do u know how bad a one second gap looks when both cars are going 100+ mph? the M3 looks as if its aboslutely getting slaughtered

Right show me proof:lol:

Also the M3 goes for around 50K and the Vett is around 80k so you could take that 30k left from buying a M3 and turbo or superchage it and kill vetts.:bananasmi

My 3.25i Sports (E30) has a Pipercross Viper induction kit one side and a full stainless Scorpion system the other. It's done 130k miles and will still do 0-60 in about 7 and top out about 140(if your brave enough)

The flat six is a bit sluggish till about 3500rpm then it goes mad. 4Cyl are never gonna give similar power unless you opt for the 4cyl E30 M3!

It's not the speed that bothers me it's the sudden stop at the end!

you are so stupid i just want to :biggrin2: punch you in your eye. i said he shouldnt compare the two because the m3 is such a better built car end of story. you are stupid and you are an asshole, you completely overlook the obvious truth that even though the vette may be quicker the bmw is a superior car. and you overlook the fact that i never, and ive said this before, said that the m3 would smoke the zo6. i just said that it runs with it, and once again it does. i wouldnt even say that if the m3 ran 14's and the zo6 ran 13's, but they both run 13's and the fact is that is impressive to me since the m3 is heavier and has a little over half the motor, not to mention the third most horsepower per liter out of all n/a cars in the world. but see you are so stupid you cant even agree that it is impressive for the m3 to put up numbers similar to that of the zo6. i think you should go to another forum if the only thing you can do is talk shit about the m3. i would like to know what you drive, because i know that for all the shit your talking you must drive a chevy, and its probaly a vette.....chevette that is. next time you argue why dont you bring some real answers. give me some reasons why the vette is a better built car, and why they arent rattle traps. and stop breaking down every statement i make and giving a smart ass response without offering any real proof to what you are saying.

Hey guys chill :D Remember this post was in regards to improving performance of bimmers not bashing z06 or m3 either way :)

Alright everyone.... this thread has gotten completely off topic. I suggest we get back to the original topic or move on.

The dead horse has been beat.