Ditech's Mercedes-Benz 5.0 SLC Hans Heyer Gr.5 1981

firun

07-04-2010, 08:14 AM

Scalemodelfanatic

07-04-2010, 04:39 PM

Good luck with this model, by the pictures you posted and your comments this is indeed a poor quality casting with even poorer details...the front grille alone is a quite clear indication of the problems with this resin body, it would be best to cut it out and scrachtbuild another one....or find a replacement from a model kit.

But I have seen in this forums real low quality resin/plastic kits that where turned in to scale model masterpieces(with a LOT of work of course) by several members here, so theres always hope!!

The real prototype car really looks interesting and impresive!!!

Again good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

SCORPIONFB

07-04-2010, 11:24 PM

Woow...I hope you did not pay to much for that piece!!!. It is really bad.... Good luck with your project.

Regards,

firun

07-05-2010, 12:29 AM

I have found some info about this car:

Following last week's exclusive story, here are photographs of Hans Heyer's exciting Mercedes-bodied Group C car, unveiled at the Jochen Rindt Show in Essen.
Confirming rumor, the car shown was fitted with a Lucas fuel-injected Mercedes 5-litre V8 engine, positioned amidships. The unit is stated to produce 580 to 600 bhp and is mated to a Hewland LG600 gearbox. In its show specification, the car has Lockheed brakes, Bilstein dampers and Pirelli tyres.
Heyer conceived the car two years ago - before he began his involvement with Lancia. It incorporates an aluminum monocoque chassis designed along ground effect principles and the airflow along the chassis sides is said to be notably uncluttered. The beast is 4,450 mm long, with front and rear tracks of 1,840 and 1,940 mm respectively. Overall weight is around 850 kg, with a front to rear distribution of 40/60.
Mercedes-Benz have no connection with the project, which was initially built to run at Le Mans. According to Heyer, "We have to wait for the final Group C regulations. The car is only a model (albeit one source reveals could race immediately). It's my idea of a Group C car. At the moment I don't intend to enter the car, but maybe later I will drive it myself at the Le Mans."
Thus the machine's future remains vague. However, what is known is the the team are currently developing a twin-turbo power unit of up to 6.3-litre capacity. That should set rival teams thinking.

And some specifications which are near to be true:
ONS Group 6 (1981) Reg-No.: 6 / 10479 / 81

Engine: watercooled V8 - Aluminimum injection engine with Chevy - intake manifold, 4998 cc. Compression 1:11, Lucas - injection

Power: 580-600 Bhp

Transmission: Hewland - LG 600-4 gears gearbox, Borg + Beck triple disk clutch.

Chassis: Bilstein - Shocks, Lockheed brakes.

Rims: Magnesium - Aluf rims, front 15 X 15 X 11 inches and 17 inches rear
Tyres: Pirelli "P7 Corsa" - Radial 265/40 R15 in front and rear 425 X 16

Body: closed, McLaren - M8F monocoque - Construction (chassis number 4-72) in aluminum "AL 47" Engine Self supporting, Linings made of glass fiber - polyester, removable tail part, more body parts of Mercedes C107 SLC, up to Rubber safety tank 300 liters, fully foamed.

Length x with x Height in mm
4450 x 1985 x 1100

Wheight empty: 850 kg
Top speed over 300 km / h

Scalemodelfanatic, SCORPIONFB, thanks for warm words!

I have payed 50 Euros + shipping for this kit. It's quite fine I think for individual work.
The grill is not a problem really - I've started to rebuilt it and everything looks fine in near future.

As Jurgen (owner of Ditech) told me, this Mercedes is based on McLaren M8B:

The rims and the Chassis with motor are from the McLaren M8 CanAm

And looking precisely on photos of this two cars - it's really true:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3415/firun.47/0_47791_8cccf32a_L.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/view/292753/)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3418/firun.47/0_4778e_4facd3c1_M.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/view/292750/)
Photos and model by Mark Hiott (http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/cars/hiottm8b.htm)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/0/firun.47/0_4778b_4a9ea626_L.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/view/292747/)

This makes building this model really much more simple. I've already bought the Accurate Miniatures kit and hope that Mercedes body will nicely fit on chassis of Mac.

MidMazar

07-05-2010, 12:36 AM

This reminds me of a vw w12 golf i was looking at on ebay a while back, never bought it but now i regret not buying it. Im on the hunt for it now, it was from a asian seller i think and it had a paper motor also.

Good luck with the kit, lots of scratchbuilding is required to make it fairly decent kit. :thumbsup:

sportracer02

07-05-2010, 02:29 AM

Hi,

great project !!!!

Nevertheless the Ditech body is a real pain. It is wrong, warped, broken, covered with bubbles, no sharp panel lines - hard to belief that they want 50 Euro for this piece of junk

SCORPIONFB

07-07-2010, 10:24 PM

Well...according with the photo-album linked with the first picture, the body looks better than the one that you have. I pretty sure that are wright about use the Chassis with motor from the McLaren M8 CanAm. They look the same in the pictures, but I am not sure about the rims and tires.

firun

07-08-2010, 01:39 AM

SCORPIONFB, I hope that when the kit arrives it will be fine and the rims are like on Hans Heyer's Mercedes. If not - well than I need to 3D-model them and print on 3D-printer. Not a big deal. The only issue - the lack of time...

By the way, does anybody has access to Racing Underground to look up for articles or even videos on this prototype? That would be really helpful!

Scalemodelfanatic

07-08-2010, 07:50 AM

It looks like it have the same rims as the McLaren car, as it can be seen in the photos of the real(?) car that is been advertise for sale.

May be you can contact the seller of the car for more info and pictures, hope it helps.

http://www.racecarmagazine.com/ForSale/Images/8703-1.jpg

Scalemodelfanatic

07-08-2010, 07:55 AM

More but are a little fuzzy in focus.

http://www.kitcar-trader.co.uk/images/1274_1317zwTruW3D6zyD_large.jpg

http://www.kitcar-trader.co.uk/images/1274_1341FMsqixKSl1Mz_large.jpg

http://www.kitcar-trader.co.uk/images/1274_13552XsqASTV0O4t_large.jpg

firun

07-08-2010, 07:57 AM

Scalemodelfanatic, thanks for your post with photos!
I've already written to sellers of this car couple days ago, but there is no answer yet. And I don't think that there will be any.

kejoba

07-10-2010, 08:35 AM

I hope you like sanding......:)
I also don't understand why they are selling bad quality as this.
It's not a good advertisement for this company...:nono:

Goodluck with building (and sanding, i'm afraid so)
Grtz!
Kees

formulaking

07-11-2010, 09:28 PM

gtziaf

07-12-2010, 03:19 AM

Good luck with this!!!
You can use Pre-Thinned Paint Sealer before primer to seal the mesy surface...
http://www.hiroboy.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3534&osCsid=dad9baa8ac3a130795a61ac1386b5806

sportracer02

07-12-2010, 05:45 AM

I wonder if any of the above complainant have ever attempted to do a scratch built model? I have done it several times and it takes more than 75 hours,if you multiply that for what you earn per hour,every one will know how much are they willing to pay for a body like that(with all it defects). I am sure it would save me over 50 hours ,if that means 49 euros,it is a bargain!.

I think, you are not the only one here who made a master. Making a master in good quality is one thing. Yes, it takes time, but what do I want: a master of a 1:1 car or a master for a look-alike model?

Casting in resin is another feature. If people are not able, to cast without bubbles in that amount, they should think about the technique they use or leave it.

After a certain amount of castings, the mold must be replaced - if not, the panel lines on the model f.e. will just be shadows, just what you see here at this SLC body.

Look at other after market offers: for 50 to 60 Euros you get transkits with better resin, etched parts, metal parts, decals, etc ...

firun

07-13-2010, 12:47 PM

Hm, strange - my updates in my own thread are not shown...

Okay, than I will write posts again :)

On weekend I've done some work with the body. A lot of sanding - yep. Also, I figured out that the front-grill is too complicated to be restored, so I looked at ESCI 450 SLC (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/album/89486/) and Arii 450 SL (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/album/73111/) model-kits, which I have for front-grill molding. The Arii's version is more true to life, and I will use Arii's front-grill for copying. For headlights I will use ESCI's lamps.
With the cutted front, I have cut out the rear end with lights and some grill which is too soft like soap, although it should be sharp like on prototype. The rear bumper was cut, and I will use ARII's rear lights for copying. Also I should to make the rear bumper more real like on prototype.
Here are the photos.

1.
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3417/firun.48/0_47ea0_f5df5b4b_L.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/view/294560/)

2.
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3417/firun.48/0_47ea1_5215e1e_L.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/view/294561/)

3.
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/52/firun.48/0_47ea2_2ffa8aff_L.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/view/294562/)

4.
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/53/firun.48/0_47ea3_e875e1c0_L.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/firun/view/294563/)

The next update will be in mid-August I suppose. I'm travelling from my home for a month or so. That time there should be my McLaren kit delivered.

formulaking

07-18-2010, 07:32 PM

Well, enlighten us, where to buy those models for 50-60 euros? I am sitting tightly:loser:

keefr22

07-19-2010, 05:56 AM

Well, enlighten us, where to buy those models for 50-60 euros? I am sitting tightly:loser:

http://www.ditech-produktion.com/html/resin_bodies_1_24.html

The Hans Heyer Merc is shown as out of stock - maybe the mould is worn out looking at the body in firun's pics?!

K

LAPO

07-19-2010, 09:05 AM

formulaking

07-19-2010, 12:58 PM

I think, you are not the only one here who made a master. Making a master in good quality is one thing. Yes, it takes time, but what do I want: a master of a 1:1 car or a master for a look-alike model?

Casting in resin is another feature. If people are not able, to cast without bubbles in that amount, they should think about the technique they use or leave it.

After a certain amount of castings, the mold must be replaced - if not, the panel lines on the model f.e. will just be shadows, just what you see here at this SLC body.

Look at other after market offers: for 50 to 60 Euros you get transkits with better resin, etched parts, metal parts, decals, etc ...
Well I am still waiting for the information; where to buy those transkit that you are talking about?.

keefr22

07-19-2010, 01:05 PM

Well I am still waiting for the information; where to buy those transkit that you are talking about?.

Ah sorry, I missed the point of your post when I posted my reply!

Keef

voyageur

07-19-2010, 01:12 PM

The half kilo bread i bought this morning is more accurate....

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

formulaking

07-20-2010, 12:03 AM

It's a pity this bad quality because they have many interesting sujects. I was near to place a 6/8 kits order, but looking at this quality.... The half kilo bread i bought this morning is more accurate....
I am sorry for you, I got ten (10)of them a couple of days ago and they are very good, some bubble at the lower edges very easy to fix ,nothing big. If you measure ditehc quality by this mercedes ,you are not near the reality. The alfa GTA Gr5 is fabulous with the tamiya as a donor,mine is 1/2 on its way. where can you get a Fiat X 1/9 1/24 for any price?.The Cayman CSR is sweet,compare this to the transkit on sale now,It is 2/3 of the cost and is a complete perfect body. A 924 GTR 1/24 with LM decals? Do not get confuse by someone that has not bought a ditech body, they are not perfect but you wont be disappointed, beside those theme are not found anywhere.

keefr22

07-20-2010, 05:15 AM

I am sorry for you, I got ten (10)of them a couple of days ago and they are very good, some bubble at the lower edges very easy to fix ,nothing big. If you measure ditehc quality by this mercedes ,you are not near the reality. The alfa GTA Gr5 is fabulous with the tamiya as a donor,mine is 1/2 on its way. where can you get a Fiat X 1/9 1/24 for any price?.The Cayman CSR is sweet,compare this to the transkit on sale now,It is 2/3 of the cost and is a complete perfect body. A 924 GTR 1/24 with LM decals? Do not get confuse by someone that has not bought a ditech body, they are not perfect but you wont be disappointed, beside those theme are not found anywhere.

Could you possibly start a thread with pics of these bodies please - in particular the Alfa GTA as I was almost on the verge of buying that one when I saw the pics of the Merc....

Thanks
Keef

LAPO

07-21-2010, 02:37 AM

yes, can your pictures confirm what you are saying? If you take a look to the images on the ditech website the Mercedes itself seems to be a great body.
In the meanwhile I am going on "primering" my half bread...

gionc

07-21-2010, 08:13 AM

LAPO

07-21-2010, 08:49 AM

z-lurp...

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/852/lampredotto.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/lampredotto.jpg/)

this is what Gionc is speaking about: "panino al lampredotto" or lampredotto sandwich. Typical of Florence (my city), Italy, the "lampredotto" is a part of the stomach of a cow boiled with vegetables and herbs and served "wet" on a sandwich... ZZZLURPPPPPPPPPP! Who is coming in Florence must not forget to try it (even if is typical in winter and fall only...)

excuse the off topic...

FraFi

07-23-2010, 05:53 AM

formulaking

07-25-2010, 08:20 PM

Hi,

i think the DiTrash are :thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow

a good resin kit (transkit) looks like this:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/52/2095952/3963613065343835.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/52/2095952/6563633830356462.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/52/2095952/6336353438623630.jpg

no bubbles; no fishskin; PE parts and much more AND not more expensively!!!!

my:2cents:

Frank
That one is very nice,if you likes to build Mustangs. The issue here is not to build any model but specific rare one. I am asking again, where do we can find those theme at any price? They are not perfect,but not trash. MFH have perfects one at $280 a piece. If you do not like to sand or paint LMM have built one at $200,and Welly have very nice Mustangs at $13 a piece

oter

07-26-2010, 08:56 AM

i got this from ditech-production today:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/oter11/001-55.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/oter11/002-40.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/oter11/003-34.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/oter11/004-24.jpg

i wanted to buy more from them,but i think i will use my money on other kits.

this body is a copy from esci/revell,only modified for gr.5 look

MattRS2000

07-27-2010, 04:00 AM

i got this from ditech-production today:

i wanted to buy more from them,but i think i will use my money on other kits.

this body is a copy from esci/revell,only modified for gr.5 look

Nice! Did it come with the rear wing?

LAPO

07-27-2010, 06:21 AM

and what about a brief review about it? it doesn't seem to be so bad...

oter

07-27-2010, 09:11 AM

Nice! Did it come with the rear wing?

yes,you get a piece of styrene sheets,and you need to cut out the parts your self,windows is included also.

its need a lot of work,but it is possible to build

Borjacho

08-04-2010, 03:36 AM

I have just received Ditech Porsche 924 GTP (or Porsche 944 GTR, or...) body. Rest of the parts, almost all in paper are un-usefull. Only plastic sheet with cristal could be use for lateral winows.

Under my point of view, the body has enough quality as there are not so much burbles.

For me, it`s a good starting point for my next project, the nº1 BOSS version of Le Mans 81. It needs lot of work, but I think no less I spend in other projects naming Tamiya, Studio 27, Renaissance or whatever.

Also decals looks good. Price of all? 46€.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/BorJachoClio/Porsche%20924%20GTR/P7300276.jpg

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/BorJachoClio/Porsche%20924%20GTR/P7300275.jpg

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/BorJachoClio/Porsche%20924%20GTR/CalcaPorschebaja.jpg

Only two hours later, working only with knive, you can get something looking much better:

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/BorJachoClio/Porsche%20924%20GTR/P7310286.jpg

For sure that cost is a little high, but it`s the first time I have seen (and I was looking for it for long time) this model and more important, the decal sheet.

Ditech is another option. My opinnion about the Mercedes? Mold was old, using in a lot of copies, but I had same problem with a Renaissance, and with Studio 27, and with.....

Borjacho

keefr22

08-04-2010, 04:30 AM

That 924 does look nice - I like that!! Will you do a build thread?

Keef

formulaking

08-04-2010, 12:39 PM

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For me, it`s a good starting point for my next project, the nº1 BOSS version of Le Mans 81. It needs lot of work, but I think no less I spend in other projects naming Tamiya, Studio 27, Renaissance or whatever.

Also decals looks good. Price of all? 46€.

For sure that cost is a little high, but it`s the first time I have seen (and I was looking for it for long time) this model and more important, the decal sheet.

Ditech is another option. My opinnion about the Mercedes? Mold was old, using in a lot of copies, but I had same problem with a Renaissance, and with Studio 27, and with.....

Borjacho[/QUOTE]

I am happy hear some reasonable people. We have to remember that those models were not made for static display,instead for slot racing that is the reason for the paper interiors. We, the ones ever searching for the "no one have that model" are adapting them to statics,sure it will require work. But it will also bring satisfaction.

gordonli1

08-04-2010, 01:15 PM

I have just received Ditech Porsche 924 GTP (or Porsche 944 GTR, or...) body. Rest of the parts, almost all in paper are un-usefull. Only plastic sheet with cristal could be use for lateral winows.

Under my point of view, the body has enough quality as there are not so much burbles.

For me, it`s a good starting point for my next project, the nº1 BOSS version of Le Mans 81. It needs lot of work, but I think no less I spend in other projects naming Tamiya, Studio 27, Renaissance or whatever.

Also decals looks good. Price of all? 46€.

For sure that cost is a little high, but it`s the first time I have seen (and I was looking for it for long time) this model and more important, the decal sheet.

Ditech is another option. My opinnion about the Mercedes? Mold was old, using in a lot of copies, but I had same problem with a Renaissance, and with Studio 27, and with.....

Borjacho

Am i right to assum these Ditech kits come with interiors like seats, dashboard etc? its cos there is a 1/24 scale DBR9 and at 49euro, i am tempted to get one.

ariel

08-04-2010, 05:47 PM

Am i right to assum these Ditech kits come with interiors like seats, dashboard etc? its cos there is a 1/24 scale DBR9 and at 49euro, i am tempted to get one.

No they come with a paper interior. Keep in mind that these are slot cars and not static model cars. But you maybe able to use the paper interior to scratch build one out of sheet plastic.

gordonli1

08-04-2010, 06:12 PM

ScaleCentral

08-04-2010, 06:41 PM

That 924 looks good. I have been wanting to do that project sooner or later. I bet you could easily adapt the racing 944 interior and chassis to that kit. I may have to get that kit in a month of so when I have some money.
Nic

formulaking

08-04-2010, 09:17 PM

firun

08-05-2010, 01:40 AM

Wow, cool that there are new scratchbuilders with Ditech's bodies!

And sorry for my silence in the air - I'm currently on army courses, and can not continue building my Merc until end of August. But it was very nice to see others starting building Ditech's bodies.

By the way, here - 2000 kms away from my home and Merc kit, I've had some thoughts on building and finishing this body.

ariel

08-05-2010, 06:13 AM

I am not familiar with slot cars, say with the ditech resins, do they come with the base and the wheels? so for it to be used for static models, i will need to create custom interior such as seats etc right? and i presume they are curbside (no engine?)
Basically all you get is a body and some other bits that would go on the body with that model. You would have to source all the other parts to make it a curb side or full detail static model. Some of these kts are based of model kits. Like the Escort Gr. 5 is base from the ESCI/REVELL Escort 1800 rally car. So you maybe able to use the glass and othe manufactures detail parts for tis kit.

voyageur

08-05-2010, 03:28 PM

formulaking

08-06-2010, 09:43 AM

To be honest... even looking at it as what it is... I would be ashamed to sell such a thing at such a price - even as a slot kit. There are quite a few companies out there that sell better slot kits for the same or even less money. Given - if they are the only ones producing the subject one desires it's the only way to go. Or modify an existing (in this case Hasegawa or Revell 944) kit and give the master to a professional resin caster who is reknown for excellent quality at reasonable prices. Just my two cents.

Well, let us know those companies,share them with us! But if you decide to go into producing a master for those theme and sell copies ,I will be waiting for you. Even better ,I will buy a copy of every one that you produce.

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