Some of you Honda boys Confuse me...

The second you get your car, you try and make it into something different, often spending inexorbitant amounts of money doing so (which could actually buy you something else, something better in fact).

Explain yourselves.

And to quell the flames, I myself an a Civic driver (2001) and still can't imagine why you'd ever do this.

it adds personality. To gain respect. To work with what we have and still be able to stand out and run with the best of them. Bottom line:

CAUSE WE CAN.

Originally posted by 911GT2
The second you get your car, you try and make it into something different, often spending inexorbitant amounts of money doing so (which could actually buy you something else, something better in fact).

Explain yourselves.

And to quell the flames, I myself an a Civic driver (2001) and still can't imagine why you'd ever do this.

I think this can be a question to ANY person that modifies a car, weather it be a Civic, Accord, Mustang or I've even seen some Porsche owners dump wads of $$$ into making theirs "look" like a GT2. I point that out after seeing your AF.com user name. ;) But all aside, it's to make a normally somewhat bland looking car look a bit more appealing to the owner's eye. That's how it is for me at least. I do it because like said I can, to change it's look and have it look the way I want with a unique style (I don't really see very many around that have done what I have to mine) and also as a challange and hobby to myself. All hobbies cost money in one way or another. Some people collect rare stamps, others built miniature train sets (like my grnadfather did and my uncle currently does) while others do things like skydiving, or whathave you. Eitherway, it's all gonna cost some sort of monitary amount. I am smaort about my mods I do though and shop around for them for the best price, or just custom hand make them myself in some cases as I did with my home made mesh grill, and painting of some exterior and interior pieces. Since my car is my hoby, I take great care, patience and time with the work I put into it, and unless I physically can't do something (which I've only done this when I had my suspension coilovers installed) I have done ALL work that's been done with my car, myself which has saved me HUNDREDS of dollars in the long run. Doing my own installs and work on my car also adds to the challenege of the hobby, saves money and I can take pride and joy in knowing I didi the work myself, didn't have to rely on a shop and i know I'm going to take special care in what I'm doing to make sure it's done to the standards I want it to be in.

Happy motoring. :cool:

and plus, buying a decent 15k car, and putting 15k into it will be faster than a 30k car. plus, you can add a bunch of toys into it, and in my opinion, it would look better. all "custom" and stuff. AND, you have something to be proud about. you can say "YEAH, that's my car".

its a great hobby. an expensive hobby but an enjoyable one. i love tryin to make my lil 4 banger better and faster. makes me feel good when i spank a v8 who talks alot of shitnitz. besides the hobby part of it all, im addicted. cant stop modin my lil civic.:cool:

Customize, originality, everyone likes to be different. It feels really really good to kick muscle car ass in a modded civic. What fun is it to beat a civic in a mustang or camaro? Better than spending 15k on drugs...., wait a minute.....,Wait a minute.......o.k....

For me, the smallest thing that I do to my car is an accomplishment. For alot of us, our cars are our only escape from bullshit in life, becasue i know it is for me. And like i say to everyone, it doesnt matter what type of car you have, what matters is what you do to it.

Note that I'm talking about body kits.

And I find it quite funny that all of you apparently do it to be individual, when every single Civic out there driven by anyone less than 25 is uglified by shitty Eurotails and terrible wings and chin spoilers. You're not being very individual when everyone's doing it...

But when you spend 30-35K on a Civic, you could easily (yes, easily) go out and buy a used car that'll spank it. FWD just has too many shortcomings, you can develop all the power you want, you just can't put it to the ground.

And IMO, it doesn't really matter what you drive, as long as you know where you stand. I just get sorta perturbed because every time I take out my goddamn car (a stock fuckin Civic people), all these dicks in their bodykitted and winged out Civics try to race me. And they actually lose. It just gets fucking ridiculous after a while.

Hey you have an opinion, thats cool but dont worry about what other people do to their own cars. It's their money (in some cases, the parents) but hey its doing something they think looks good.

And im sorry but a stock car isnt gonna beat a car that has 30-35K into it, bad money comparison on your part.

And here's a thought, maybe you just race the cars you know you can beat, and all the other ones you just let them pass by..hum:)

When did I say a stock 35K car? ;)

Basically, what I'm trying to get at is that there are far better cars to modify than a FWD econocar.

A Porsche 944 Turbo can be gotten for a similar amount of money to a Civic (Turbos can run you 8K USD for a good one, more for exceptional) and crank up the boost on that bitch. Spend 15K total, eat Civics on the strip and the track.

Just goes to show...

Originally posted by 911GT2
When did I say a stock 35K car? ;)

Basically, what I'm trying to get at is that there are far better cars to modify than a FWD econocar.

A Porsche 944 Turbo can be gotten for a similar amount of money to a Civic (Turbos can run you 8K USD for a good one, more for exceptional) and crank up the boost on that bitch. Spend 15K total, eat Civics on the strip and the track.

Just goes to show...

That's the half of it though, a USED Porsche vs. a NEW Civic. Which one will handle it's mods better and be more reliable? The NEW car of course. If a FWD car couldn't put it's power down very well, manufactures wouldn't make them, and there are quite a few FWD sports cars out there.

Sure you may say:
And I find it quite funny that all of you apparently do it to be individual, when every single Civic out there driven by anyone less than 25 is uglified by shitty Eurotails and terrible wings and chin spoilers. You're not being very individual when everyone's doing it...
Take a look at my car ant tell me if it falls into that same catagory. I didin't think so. Euro tails? Nope, wing of any kind? Nope. Chin spoiler, yes, but then again so does an Si. ;) I rest my case. Don't say EVERY single Civic, when only 25 of 25 % fall into that catagory.

You obviously love your STOCK 7th gen Civic, which is prefectly fine, people like family point A to point B get around cars, Others like to fix their's up. Not all of us have $30k to dump on a car at a single time, and rather build up a lesser $15k car over time. But don't come into our world here and kncok what we do with our cars. That just what they are, OURS just like your stocker is YOURS! And BTW, I'm pretty positive if your car is bone stock, mine would be able to edge it out in a race, I've raced a few stick 7th generation Civics, and they don't seem to be what earlier generation Civics were, especially against a modified one. :cool:

Whats this ?- - - - - -> I just get sorta perturbed because every time I take out my goddamn car (a stock fuckin Civic people), all these dicks in their bodykitted and winged out Civics try to race me. And they actually lose. It just gets fucking ridiculous after a while. <- - - - you havnet raced my stock looking civic yet. :flipa: and yes, you do deserve to have your vocal chords ripped out :smoker2:

Oh...I think someone got owned!

being the owner of a 4th gen civic.....i can only say that i love my civic...about to do a n engine swap, endyn's supercharger and about to try and add 4wd to my car.....after that...if i'm not too broke....i'm contemplating a combat body kit and functional roof scoop...true u may see me coming down the road and only ur common civic with a body kit that thinks he's fast....but in actuallity u will have no idea as to what i went thru to get my car like it is or how fast it is....i could have gotten a body kit a while ago and stuck it on my car stock, unpainted and unprimed but to me i would fall into that catagory that u re speaking of:rolleyes:

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


That's the half of it though, a USED Porsche vs. a NEW Civic. Which one will handle it's mods better and be more reliable? The NEW car of course. If a FWD car couldn't put it's power down very well, manufactures wouldn't make them, and there are quite a few FWD sports cars out there.

Sure you may say:
And I find it quite funny that all of you apparently do it to be individual, when every single Civic out there driven by anyone less than 25 is uglified by shitty Eurotails and terrible wings and chin spoilers. You're not being very individual when everyone's doing it...
Take a look at my car ant tell me if it falls into that same catagory. I didin't think so. Euro tails? Nope, wing of any kind? Nope. Chin spoiler, yes, but then again so does an Si. ;) I rest my case. Don't say EVERY single Civic, when only 25 of 25 % fall into that catagory.

You obviously love your STOCK 7th gen Civic, which is prefectly fine, people like family point A to point B get around cars, Others like to fix their's up. Not all of us have $30k to dump on a car at a single time, and rather build up a lesser $15k car over time. But don't come into our world here and kncok what we do with our cars. That just what they are, OURS just like your stocker is YOURS! And BTW, I'm pretty positive if your car is bone stock, mine would be able to edge it out in a race, I've raced a few stick 7th generation Civics, and they don't seem to be what earlier generation Civics were, especially against a modified one. :cool:

The used Porsche was just for use as a comparison. You can put any used car in there such as DSMs (before you speak up, a rebuilt tranny only costs about a grand), Maximas (Stillen makes excellent supercharger packages), Subarus (their 2.0 liter can make some really good power with forced induction, their new 2.5 is even better), and the list goes on. They'll all give you better performance for the money.

And for most Civic modifiers, the Eurotails come first. You're an exception to the rule, and I commend you for that.

And I never said I love my 7th gen. It's my parents car. It's point A to point B transportation, just like any other Civic, and therefore not a sportscar.

Originally posted by superbluecivicsi
Whats this ?- - - - - -> I just get sorta perturbed because every time I take out my goddamn car (a stock fuckin Civic people), all these dicks in their bodykitted and winged out Civics try to race me. And they actually lose. It just gets fucking ridiculous after a while. <- - - - you havnet raced my stock looking civic yet. :flipa: and yes, you do deserve to have your vocal chords ripped out :smoker2:

Again, you're the exception rather than the rule. Good job on that.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
being the owner of a 4th gen civic.....i can only say that i love my civic...about to do a n engine swap, endyn's supercharger and about to try and add 4wd to my car.....after that...if i'm not too broke....i'm contemplating a combat body kit and functional roof scoop...true u may see me coming down the road and only ur common civic with a body kit that thinks he's fast....but in actuallity u will have no idea as to what i went thru to get my car like it is or how fast it is....i could have gotten a body kit a while ago and stuck it on my car stock, unpainted and unprimed but to me i would fall into that catagory that u re speaking of:rolleyes:

That project alone will cost far more than the car.

And do you even realize the complexities of installing an AWD system?? You don't even have a crankshaft (or the space for one) let alone room for both the crank AND the transmission. That's a pipe dream, and the AWD system alone would cost more than a WRX.

Originally posted by 911GT2


That project alone will cost far more than the car.

And do you even realize the complexities of installing an AWD system?? You don't even have a crankshaft (or the space for one) let alone room for both the crank AND the transmission. That's a pipe dream, and the AWD system alone would cost more than a WRX.

actually it is doable and already has been done....what makes u think the awd system would cost more than a WRX...either use a donor crv or a 4th gen wagon....b4 u downplay someone's idea u should do some research...could be helpful when find urself not knowing what ur talking about:bloated:

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


actually it is doable and already has been done....what makes u think the awd system would cost more than a WRX...either use a donor crv or a 4th gen wagon....b4 u downplay someone's idea u should do some research...could be helpful when find urself not knowing what ur talking about:bloated:

The CRV's AWD system is awful, and incompatible. There simply isn't room for it without doing serious interior and exterior modifications. I'm sure it's been done before, but so has a NSX to CRX engine transplant. Your point being?

Part time AWD systems suck, something more along the lines of the Subaru system is much much better, and Audi's Quattro system is tops.

And don't accuse me of not knowing my shit before at least letting me reply.

Originally posted by 911GT2


The CRV's AWD system is awful, and incompatible. There simply isn't room for it without doing serious interior and exterior modifications. I'm sure it's been done before, but so has a NSX to CRX engine transplant. Your point being?

Part time AWD systems suck, something more along the lines of the Subaru system is much much better, and Audi's Quattro system is tops.

And don't accuse me of not knowing my shit before at least letting me reply.

so if u know it can and has been done...what's the point of u calling it a pipe dream?? b/c u can't afford it?? b/c u think i can't afford it?? b/c u on't think itz feasible.....i accused u and u kinda sorta backed it up...i think:rolleyes: who care about audi or subaru?? i don't....and who cares about putting a nsx engine into a crx i don't care about that either....but u didn't prove nothing to me execpt giving me a broad view of some stuff u can get out of C&D.....but u don't have anything to prove to me and same here.....just keep up with ur eurotail hatin point a to point b self:silly2:

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


so if u know it can and has been done...what's the point of u calling it a pipe dream?? b/c u can't afford it?? b/c u think i can't afford it?? b/c u on't think itz feasible.....i accused u and u kinda sorta backed it up...i think:rolleyes: who care about audi or subaru?? i don't....and who cares about putting a nsx engine into a crx i don't care about that either....but u didn't prove nothing to me execpt giving me a broad view of some stuff u can get out of C&D.....but u don't have anything to prove to me and same here.....just keep up with ur eurotail hatin point a to point b self:silly2:

I pointed out the Subaru and Audi AWD systems because they're both much much better than the CRV system. And if you're going to spend ridiculous amounts of money to replace the FWD with AWD, why would you intentionally install an inferior system?

And you provide absolutely no argument. You wrote one big sentence and managed to say absolutely nothing in the process.

And I looked up prices that other people paid for AWD systems in Civics and 10K seems to be the median. For a 15K Civic + a 10K AWD system, you could've bought a WRX and had more power and a much better developed chassis.

$15K civic + $10K awd system wouldn't make since....but since i have a 4th gen civic.....$1600 civic +$5k AWD system makes a $6600 civic with AWD

But you don't understand. The AWD system doesn't cost 5K. It costs 10.

And does it make sense to spend almost 8 times what your car costs??

Originally posted by 911GT2
But you don't understand. The AWD system doesn't cost 5K. It costs 10.

And does it make sense to spend almost 8 times what your car costs??

$10k for what gen civic and which awd system??

obviously u are not an or as much as an euthieust (sp) as i am....my last hatch cost $100 b/c i got it from a relative....i put a $2k into it b4 it was totaled...does that make me a mad man for putting 20x into the car for what i brought it?? we all have our hobbies...mine is my car....i could put 100x what i brought the car for into it and wouldn't care...as with anyone who has a hobbie.....it obviously seems that cars aren't ur hobby....yet mabey

Originally posted by 911GT2


I pointed out the Subaru and Audi AWD systems because they're both much much better than the CRV system. And if you're going to spend ridiculous amounts of money to replace the FWD with AWD, why would you intentionally install an inferior system?


Obviously you AREN'T much of a knowledgeable enthusiest if you didin't already realize the AWD systems on the Audi and Subaru are COMPLETELY different and for a whole different purpose than those of the CRV. The Suby is a rally racer, the Audi has AWD for stability control, and the CRV is a psuedo off-roader. Simply put, you can't take an Audi Quattro or even a WRX for that matter half the places you can take the CRV, and you can't take the Audi half the places you can a WRX. That was a pretty poor example you made using those 3 vehicles.

You want a GOOD 4WD/AWD system? Part time systems are actually the best when it comes to that TRUE purpose of 4WD. An '82 Jeep Cherokee my dad recently sold had about the best 4WD system any civilian production vehicle has ever had in it next to maybe a Hummer. You can't beat a system that allows you to lock in and out EACH front and rear differential at the trasfer case and comepletely disengauge the entire system from the powertrain. Something NO 4WD system on the market today can even come close to doing, with the exception of Jeep Wranglers, end even those you can't adjust to the degree of an '82 Cherokee's system.

Sure an Audi Quattro might be a better system than the CRV's (when used in the situations it was designed for in the first place) but it's also WAY more sophisticated and expensive than the CRV's system as well.

SilverY2KCivic is my idol

i have a 93 honda prelude si.i put a few laiite thingsto it i plain to do alot more.i like doing it.becouse u take something thats does.t look that great in make it maen as hell show personality.

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


Obviously you AREN'T much of a knowledgeable enthusiest if you didin't already realize the AWD systems on the Audi and Subaru are COMPLETELY different and for a whole different purpose than those of the CRV. The Suby is a rally racer, the Audi has AWD for stability control, and the CRV is a psuedo off-roader. Simply put, you can't take an Audi Quattro or even a WRX for that matter half the places you can take the CRV, and you can't take the Audi half the places you can a WRX. That was a pretty poor example you made using those 3 vehicles.

You want a GOOD 4WD/AWD system? Part time systems are actually the best when it comes to that TRUE purpose of 4WD. An '82 Jeep Cherokee my dad recently sold had about the best 4WD system any civilian production vehicle has ever had in it next to maybe a Hummer. You can't beat a system that allows you to lock in and out EACH front and rear differential at the trasfer case and comepletely disengauge the entire system from the powertrain. Something NO 4WD system on the market today can even come close to doing, with the exception of Jeep Wranglers, end even those you can't adjust to the degree of an '82 Cherokee's system.

Sure an Audi Quattro might be a better system than the CRV's (when used in the situations it was designed for in the first place) but it's also WAY more sophisticated and expensive than the CRV's system as well.

But you're clearly not looking at an AWD system for a Civic for its off roading qualities, you'd get more of an on-road system. And as far as on road systems go, Subaru and Audi have the rest searching for answers. The M-B 4Matic system is alright, but they make better 4WD systems for off roading (a la G500). I don't (and don't think blu civic does either) care about off roading a Civic, because as you pointed out quite well, older Jeeps can do it much better for much less money.

And when you're spending 10K, I just can't see you spending that much money on a clearly inferior system.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


$10k for what gen civic and which awd system??

obviously u are not an or as much as an euthieust (sp) as i am....my last hatch cost $100 b/c i got it from a relative....i put a $2k into it b4 it was totaled...does that make me a mad man for putting 20x into the car for what i brought it?? we all have our hobbies...mine is my car....i could put 100x what i brought the car for into it and wouldn't care...as with anyone who has a hobbie.....it obviously seems that cars aren't ur hobby....yet mabey

I caught it on another forum, the guy was looking at a CRV system for a 5th gen I believe.

And how can you call me out as not being an enthusiast when I'm giving alternatives that would be both faster and more fun to drive. Or when I say that I hate body kits?

Look here, I have a great love for cars, which is why I don't like to defile them with disgusting body kits or shitty eurotails. I'm not bashing real performance enthusiasts, just giving them better options.

Originally posted by 911GT2


But you're clearly not looking at an AWD system for a Civic for its off roading qualities, you'd get more of an on-road system. And as far as on road systems go, Subaru and Audi have the rest searching for answers. The M-B 4Matic system is alright, but they make better 4WD systems for off roading (a la G500). I don't (and don't think blu civic does either) care about off roading a Civic, because as you pointed out quite well, older Jeeps can do it much better for much less money.

And when you're spending 10K, I just can't see you spending that much money on a clearly inferior system.

I'll agree with you there. Audi and Subaru do indeed have others scrambling to catch up when it comes to ON-road AWD systems, I hear the system in the new US Lancer Evolution is supposed to have one up on the system in the WRX, but the WRX STi that's coming out later this year will have even one more up on both.

An offroad intended 4WD system wouldn't be very well suited for a street car, and the old Civic wagon AWD system seems more logical, althought wasn't that one intended for mild offroad situations kinda like the old AMC Eagle wagons of the early 80's? Eitherway, an AWD 90's generation Civic isn't something you see everyday let alone at very many car shows either.

Is the Benz 4Matic system, true AWD anyways? I haven't read up much one it. Eitherway, most of those German sport sedans almost always preform better with such amenities as traction control and ABS OFF, verses them working for you. Life in those cars isn't fun without a little controled tail sliding here and there in say like a BMW 325i sedan. ;) I know because I've done it in special test drive runs for tire manufactures to test tires before they are released.

i swear.. some people overestimate costs.

88-91 civic/crx = cheap

you can pick up the car for anywhere from $100-$1000, engine swaps cost half as much as the next series of cars, so even for a basic NA setup....

91 civic + B16A = 1200lb car with 160hp for $2500

oh, and btw, you can find 88-91 civic wagovans for cheap cheap cheap, so i dont see why it would cost $10,000 for the AWD system.

Newer is not always better, because with teh same amount of money or less you can build an older car to 2x the specs as the new car.

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


I'll agree with you there. Audi and Subaru do indeed have others scrambling to catch up when it comes to ON-road AWD systems, I hear the system in the new US Lancer Evolution is supposed to have one up on the system in the WRX, but the WRX STi that's coming out later this year will have even one more up on both.

An offroad intended 4WD system wouldn't be very well suited for a street car, and the old Civic wagon AWD system seems more logical, althought wasn't that one intended for mild offroad situations kinda like the old AMC Eagle wagons of the early 80's? Eitherway, an AWD 90's generation Civic isn't something you see everyday let alone at very many car shows either.

Is the Benz 4Matic system, true AWD anyways? I haven't read up much one it. Eitherway, most of those German sport sedans almost always preform better with such amenities as traction control and ABS OFF, verses them working for you. Life in those cars isn't fun without a little controled tail sliding here and there in say like a BMW 325i sedan. ;) I know because I've done it in special test drive runs for tire manufactures to test tires before they are released.

But as far as the STi/EVO systems go, they're getting so expensive and so close to racing standards that it'll eventually have to stop.

And they had a questionable at best Real Time 4WD Civic in Japan in the 80s, but it never worked very well and you probably couldn't get one if you tried today.

I think 4Matic is full time, but I could be wrong on that one. And while the car handles better with traction/stability control off, they'll keep you from those nasty guardrails. And ABS is always a good thing.

Originally posted by 91civicDXdude
i swear.. some people overestimate costs.

88-91 civic/crx = cheap

you can pick up the car for anywhere from $100-$1000, engine swaps cost half as much as the next series of cars, so even for a basic NA setup....

91 civic + B16A = 1200lb car with 160hp for $2500

oh, and btw, you can find 88-91 civic wagovans for cheap cheap cheap, so i dont see why it would cost $10,000 for the AWD system.

Newer is not always better, because with teh same amount of money or less you can build an older car to 2x the specs as the new car.

1200 lb car, what the fuck are you smoking man?? They're light, but not near that light. 2000 easy. 1800 at a minimum.

And there's a reason why Wagovans are cheap: they suck. And they're hard to find in NA. The 10K is for the CRV system, which everyone was previously talking about.

And BTW, most of the costs aren't in the parts for a 4WD conversion, most of the cost is in custom fabrication of practically every bracket, all of which require very high accuracy.

im sick of seeing these kinds of posts but oh well, you know i gotta get in on the action... :p

first off, it's a personal interest (or as stated earlier, a hobby). i modify my car because i have a deep interest in the exterior styling and engine performance of automotive vehicles. i chose a civic because it fit my budget and i liked the car. now i have a steady income and i can spend my money on what i like, shouldn't i have that freedom? (even if it is euro lights)

and that brings me to the euro lights thing. stereotyping is just pure ignorance. lots of people get certain things for their car because they are cheap and quick to install and give their car an aftermarket look. OR MAYBE THEY JUST LIKE THEM. maybe you dont, maybe i dont, it's not our car. however, categorizing every single auto enthusiast who drives a particular car (like i said before) is just ignorant :rolleyes:

But I've always wondered: why is clear always seemingly better than the other colors??

if ur refering to clear tails...well until recently...that's all there were....besides blackouts.....reaching way back in time:D

Alright, well I got Eurotails, hell it was the first "mod" (use that term loosely) i did to my original 89 crx si, the reason? I thought they looked nice, and I like the chrome/clear tails on black look. So i bought it cuz i thought it looked better than the stock tails, and if u dont do euro's u dont have many other options besides clear which I would just get tickets for anyways. I dont see how you can put me or anyone else down for that matter simply because they've got one mod everyone else has, hell i got an aerogear battle front, blitzz sides, wings west rear/spoiler, and tsudo slr fenders in my room goin on my car in a few weeks, and in the next 6 months ill have the rear seat conversion and a B16A or B18C and I'll get more props than ur stock porche will ever get. And really thats why I'm doin it, cuz i like the attention and like hanging out with ppl who are interested in cars as much as i am....does this make me a fake car entusiast, cuz i think it just makes me an 18 yr old kid who likes to blow his $500 kmart paychecks on his car more than on drugs (which seems to be the only other option over here lol), I never had $15000 to buy a car with and if i had to make payments i wouldnt have money for anything else, so buying a $2200 crx and slowly making it better than....well....everything. :finger: :D , just seems like a smarter idea and a more feasible one.

Originally posted by branman_crx_guy
Alright, well I got Eurotails, hell it was the first "mod" (use that term loosely) i did to my original 89 crx si, the reason? I thought they looked nice, and I like the chrome/clear tails on black look. So i bought it cuz i thought it looked better than the stock tails, and if u dont do euro's u dont have many other options besides clear which I would just get tickets for anyways. I dont see how you can put me or anyone else down for that matter simply because they've got one mod everyone else has, hell i got an aerogear battle front, blitzz sides, wings west rear/spoiler, and tsudo slr fenders in my room goin on my car in a few weeks, and in the next 6 months ill have the rear seat conversion and a B16A or B18C and I'll get more props than ur stock porche will ever get. And really thats why I'm doin it, cuz i like the attention and like hanging out with ppl who are interested in cars as much as i am....does this make me a fake car entusiast, cuz i think it just makes me an 18 yr old kid who likes to blow his $500 kmart paychecks on his car more than on drugs (which seems to be the only other option over here lol), I never had $15000 to buy a car with and if i had to make payments i wouldnt have money for anything else, so buying a $2200 crx and slowly making it better than....well....everything. :finger: :D , just seems like a smarter idea and a more feasible one.

No you won't.

No you won't.

Yes I will. :flipa:

Well its been 5 hrs and no reply so....VICTORY FOR B-MAN!!!! :D


HOLLA HONDA HOMIES

Well all you said is basically "no you're wrong" and it's pretty pointless to retort.

I said that because u literally said "No, You won't" and that just seemed funny how you just typed that in there with no real rebuttle, so I thought I'd play along. Quite the interesting game we have here, actually, its not, it's childish, your just jealous cuz u cant afford a crx, you can only afford a new civic and porche....:rolleyes: ....sooo yeah....how did that one feel?

Just because this is an internet forum doesn't mean that you shouldn't try and write half legible english.

And I'm just saying that all these body mods are shitty, especially when the money could go to performance mods that would make your car faster and perform better.

Originally posted by 911GT2
And I'm just saying that all these body mods are shitty, especially when the money could go to performance mods that would make your car faster and perform better.

there are those who would like to have their cars looking good while ging fast.....body kits are the alternative.....sometimes people change their mind or feel it necessary to stand out from a crowd of thousands...and why not.....it reflects ur individuality

there are those who would like to have their cars looking good while ging fast.....body kits are the alternative.....sometimes people change their mind or feel it necessary to stand out from a crowd of thousands...and why not.....it reflects ur individuality

For real, 4th gens representin, holla!! As for not liking body mods mr. 911GT2, if that is your real name, that's kinda like not liking girls whowear makeup, cuz basically wat ur saying is that you don't think people should take pride in the appearance of their car, which could quite possibly be the most rediculous thing I've ever heard, but hell wat do i know?

I just wanted to make a comment on all the exterior body styling mods. Simply put, to each his (or her) own. When I first got my civic all I could think about was making it look better and I couldn't give a shit about performance. I have since then matured and realized my necessity for performance mods. Now in college I find myself needing a slightly bigger sedan, and that's why I'm buying an A4 next weekend. Now, I think subconsciously I wanted to make the exterior better on my civic cause I am not pleased with how it looks stock. With the A4, I'm just gonna drop a chip in there, exhaust, enjoy my 240 ft lbs, and not even modify the exterior except for getting some HRE wheels and maybe a front grill. In my opinion the A4 is perfect looking stock, so it doesn't need the extra body kits and whatnot. Being a fellow German owner, 911GT2, you can appreciate how they already look great stock as I do. To each his own, the only person who knows what you like is you.

I'm not a German owner, just an enthusiast.

I noted earlier in the thread that I drive a 2001 Civic in fact.

But hopefully by the end of the summer I can pick up an old Porsche (914 hopefully). Being a college student really limits my choices.

WARNING: Very long, contains excessive rambling. :D

You've got to understand a couple of things. First, it's a matter of opportunity cost in many cases. If I need a car next month, I'm gonna buy the car I like most within my price range. Civics are easy to find, relatively inexpensive, and have more aftermarket support than just about any other car (you could make some argument for some domestic platforms, perhaps the Mustang).

Not everyone wants to buy an old 914 and try to mod it (even if you argue that it has aftermarket support, there's no way it's as plentiful as a Honda platform). I'm not getting down on you about it, because I think it's a cool car, and you'll arguably be more of an individual on the road, because you don't see that many. I imagine, however, that your insurance is going to be significantly more than any Civic of the same year, as well as the cost of gas, and maintenance. People buy what they can afford, and they mod it because maybe it's what they're stuck with, but they want it to be different. If someone else has the same bodykit and the same tail lights, does that make their car less of an individual? Not really. The car owner is expressing himself. Maybe you don't agree with the styling. Personally, I agree that 95% of bodykits, and I'd say an even higher number of Altezzas/clear tails look absolutely horrible (I had Altezzas for a couple years, though I pulled them off this spring). Most spoilers are pointlessly huge, and only serve as comic relief on the highway. You won't find any of that stuff on my car, and most of my friends are the same way, so there are tons of exceptions to your "rule". I don't have any stickers, I don't have a bodykit (I did just buy an SI lip), and neither do my friends.

In support of your arguments, I will admit that after owning 2 Hondas (my current civic since 1999), I've recently been wishing someone would come along and buy mine so that I could buy a DSM or an old Z. I'm only leaning away from Hondas because of the performance potential in some other platforms. Before all the Honda kids jump on me, I know that there are several Honda engines which do have decent potential (aside from torque, of which they are devoid), but I don't feel like dropping $5k on an engine swap when I could go buy an old Talon TSi for the same price and it'd be faster.

My point in all of this is that you shouldn't hate on people for tuning their Hondas. Yeah, they're cheap, yeah their performance potential is questionable in many cases, and yeah it gets annoying when some dude rolls by you with a 4" APC exhaust, primered body kit, and windshield banner, but that's the price Honda pays for their popularity. Honda's real commitment is to economy and reliability. That's why even the S2000 meets ULEV standards. Show me another car that will run with a new Porsche/BMW roadster and meet ULEV. Ha.

It's unfortunate that more people don't "get it" about the performance/appearance ordeal with their cars, but not everyone can afford a $30k car payment on a regular basis (or even want to - I probably could, I don't want one, I'd rather buy a used ride with no payment and spend the money on legitimately tuning it - you'll notice I have no performance modifications on my Honda because the D-series motor is useless. I went for my stereo and a set of rims.)

In the end, you gotta let people express themselves. The best you can hope for is that eventually they WILL get it, that after some time they'll realize that a single wiper mod and plastic "windowshadez" are best left on the shelf at Pep Boys. In the meantime, buy your 914, acknowledge the rest of us who understand why you don't have a bookshelf wing, and sleep peacefully knowing that you probably do "get it". Hate only breeds hate.

-C

Originally posted by 911GT2
I'm not a German owner, just an enthusiast.

I noted earlier in the thread that I drive a 2001 Civic in fact.

But hopefully by the end of the summer I can pick up an old Porsche (914 hopefully). Being a college student really limits my choices.

I hear ya man. Once you go german, cant go back.
deutsche Autos sind das beste

Alright racer, I can agree with most of what you said.

And look at where this thread is, I never bashed tuning, I bashed stupid, ugly body kits and body mods that are expensive and useless.

And yes, the Honda aftermarket is quite large, but it's also quite overpriced because of the demand. Case in point: headers for a F-body V8 cost the same or less than Civic headers, despite having twice as much fabrication.

And while nobody's gonna totally want what I want, it's pretty clear alot of people would much rather look fast than be fast, which is just retarded.

And because of their ridiculously narrow powerband, an S2000 would have a very tough time keeping up with a Boxster or a 3 liter Z4.

Originally posted by 911GT2
...And because of their ridiculously narrow powerband, an S2000 would have a very tough time keeping up with a Boxster or a 3 liter Z4.

Actually, not very hard at all. Simply put, the S2000 is QUICKER and faster than BOTH the BMW Z4 and the Boxster, and not the baseline one either, quicker than the Boxster S. Quciker in 0-60 acceleration as well as the quarter mile. Check your facts, and you'll find out just how true this is. ;) Never underestimate the power of a 4 cylinder. Honda would have never made a car like the S2000 if it couldn't at least trample over and PASS up it's competition. And the powerband of the S2000 isn't as narrow as you think. Name another car like it (nothing exotic) that runs it's best ABOVE 6000 RPMs. Perhaps you forgot the S2000 has 9000 RPMs to play with?

I stand corrected.

But in R/T's Sibling Rivalry test, the Boxster S and the S2000 got practically equal lap times (2:17.66 for the S2000, 2:17.46 for the Boxster) despite accelerating quite a bit slower in this test (5.6 as opposed to 4.9).

The only thing that sucks is that to get that 4.9 seconds you gotta do a 6500 rpm clutch drop.

Originally posted by 911GT2
The second you get your car, you try and make it into something different, often spending inexorbitant amounts of money doing so (which could actually buy you something else, something better in fact).

Explain yourselves.

And to quell the flames, I myself an a Civic driver (2001) and still can't imagine why you'd ever do this.

that's the very first post in this discussion. you can even look at the title of the discussion. you should've expected this kind of feedback when you posted something like that. i just hope you got your question answered...

Originally posted by emerge


that's the very first post in this discussion. you can even look at the title of the discussion. you should've expected this kind of feedback when you posted something like that. i just hope you got your question answered...

Not particularly, because the only people that attempted to retort weren't the people the comment was aimed at.

The real riceboys just said something inane and stupid like "fuck u a-hole" or something like that.

Originally posted by 911GT2
I stand corrected.

But in R/T's Sibling Rivalry test, the Boxster S and the S2000 got practically equal lap times (2:17.66 for the S2000, 2:17.46 for the Boxster) despite accelerating quite a bit slower in this test (5.6 as opposed to 4.9).

The only thing that sucks is that to get that 4.9 seconds you gotta do a 6500 rpm clutch drop.

The advantage and beauties of a M/R type car (mid engine, rear drive) ;)

The Boxster is way more balanced for auto-x/road racing type courses, not to say the S2000 isn't because it certainly is as well, but that powerful motor riding over the fronts doesn't help things any in the handling department which directly relates to slower lap times unfortunately. I see LOTS of S2000's at the Solo2 races I participate in with my Civic, and next to the Miatas and other similar cars, they do exceptionally well and get fantastic lap times. Sadly no one really ever brings Porsches (weather it be 911's, Boxsters, 914's or even 944's) to these events, and I'm dying to see how any of those would do on that type or course.

The 6500 clutch drop launch is the price one has to pay for owning a high reving car if they plan to straight line race it and get a respectable launch. Nothing unlike the 7000 RPM launches some Skyline GT-R have to endure when built up certain ways to get a good launch, AWD like that ain't as easy as launching a Z06 Vette, that's for dang sure!

I agree with 911GT2, Idon't see any point in making a slow car look fast. Most people who take offence to what he is saying probably fall into that category. All 911GT2 did was ask a simple question, telling him that he is stupid or ignorant just makes u look ignorant.

To answer the original question the only reason to spend money on a body kit for an econo car is because the owner likes the way it looks, if the reason is anything else its a lie.

As far as originallity or trying to be different goes, i admit there are a few that try but most people are monkey see monkey do. Where i live you won't belive the amount of lookalike hondas here, they are blue with white rims clear lights and a white interior, there must be at least 15 or so just in my area. So much for originallity.

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


The advantage and beauties of a M/R type car (mid engine, rear drive) ;)

The Boxster is way more balanced for auto-x/road racing type courses, not to say the S2000 isn't because it certainly is as well, but that powerful motor riding over the fronts doesn't help things any in the handling department which directly relates to slower lap times unfortunately. I see LOTS of S2000's at the Solo2 races I participate in with my Civic, and next to the Miatas and other similar cars, they do exceptionally well and get fantastic lap times. Sadly no one really ever brings Porsches (weather it be 911's, Boxsters, 914's or even 944's) to these events, and I'm dying to see how any of those would do on that type or course.

The 6500 clutch drop launch is the price one has to pay for owning a high reving car if they plan to straight line race it and get a respectable launch. Nothing unlike the 7000 RPM launches some Skyline GT-R have to endure when built up certain ways to get a good launch, AWD like that ain't as easy as launching a Z06 Vette, that's for dang sure!

944s, 914s and Boxsters RIP UP at AutoX events. The 944 was called "the best handling car in the world" by Motor Trend when it was released, 914s have extremely low weight and the MR balance, and Boxsters have an a amazing suspension and the MR balance. 911s are trickier, but if you can control the off-throttle oversteer, they're nothing short of amazing. Still more of a road course car than an autocrosser however.

And from what I've heard, GT-Rs are one of the easiest cars to launch out there. Ham it up to 6K RPMs, drop the clutch and let the computer sort it out :)

Originally posted by crankwalk 2g
I agree with 911GT2, Idon't see any point in making a slow car look fast. Most people who take offence to what he is saying probably fall into that category. All 911GT2 did was ask a simple question, telling him that he is stupid or ignorant just makes u look ignorant.

To answer the original question the only reason to spend money on a body kit for an econo car is because the owner likes the way it looks, if the reason is anything else its a lie.

As far as originallity or trying to be different goes, i admit there are a few that try but most people are monkey see monkey do. Where i live you won't belive the amount of lookalike hondas here, they are blue with white rims clear lights and a white interior, there must be at least 15 or so just in my area. So much for originallity.

Finally, someone actually agrees. Too bad it isn't a Hondaboy, but a DSMer.

The real riceboys just said something inane and stupid like "fuck u a-hole" or something like that.

Why am I thinkin ur talkin about me? Just in case u r, u need to reread my first post, which wasn't hatin on u at all.....except the props part, which i cant really back up seein as how i know nothin bout ur car, but other than that I was just saying that u cant judge a car simply by a few things u see. You cant judge my car by racing either lol, u can only judge my car by listenin to wat will eventually be done and then believing it and being "Wowwed" by it. :D


In conclusion: I wasnt tryin to say " f u asshole" just kinda came out like that...I should say "sorry" here but i dont appalaugize (dont remember how to spell that right now) so ill just leave it as....um.....yeeeaaahhhh.

Originally posted by branman_crx_guy


Why am I thinkin ur talkin about me? Just in case u r, u need to reread my first post, which wasn't hatin on u at all.....except the props part, which i cant really back up seein as how i know nothin bout ur car, but other than that I was just saying that u cant judge a car simply by a few things u see. You cant judge my car by racing either lol, u can only judge my car by listenin to wat will eventually be done and then believing it and being "Wowwed" by it. :D


In conclusion: I wasnt tryin to say " f u asshole" just kinda came out like that...I should say "sorry" here but i dont appalaugize (dont remember how to spell that right now) so ill just leave it as....um.....yeeeaaahhhh.

Once again, I convinced the real performance enthusiasts. I see you as on the bubble solely because of your manner of speech, I haven't seen your car.

And the public at large judges a car solely by looks. Does that mean you've gotta cater to them? Fuck that.