1/24 Peugeot S2000 / Fiesta S2000 - Belkits

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Luis Pacheco

05-10-2010, 11:28 AM

http://www.domino.be/belkits/index.php?action=products

stevenpae

06-09-2010, 07:05 AM

First pictures of the handsample on www.belkits.be

It will be a plastic kit in scale 1/24.

Luis Pacheco

06-09-2010, 08:06 AM

Looks great.

stevenpae

07-02-2010, 04:36 AM

different decals to be released same time as kit:

from Geko Ypres Rally 2010

Neuville, Tsjoen, Snijers and Meeke

www.belkits.be

Luis Pacheco

06-10-2011, 06:19 AM

At Facebook:

Belkits.be / Belkits.com (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Belkitsbe-Belkitscom/161068673940799)
Normally we should receive the first shot of the Fiesta within the first 2 weeks.
I will put pictures on Belkits.be / Belkits.com and Fb!

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Belkitsbe-Belkitscom/161068673940799

Luis Pacheco

06-11-2011, 06:46 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/247455_195301703850829_161068673940799_526598_1652 37_n.jpg

stevenoble

06-11-2011, 12:02 PM

Is this the same as the WRC version or different..?? Don't know much about modern rally cars, but it looks great, especially with the extra lights..

Luis Pacheco

06-11-2011, 12:58 PM

The bodyshell of the WRC and the s2000 is very similar.

rallymaster

06-11-2011, 05:08 PM

The only think I deeply regret is that Belkits only concentrate on Ypres rally, it's a pain they will release only Ypres or a few Monte Carlo liveries as it seems to be the case...
If only they would do some WRC events cars, a H. Solberg Fiesta would be great !

Luis Pacheco

06-12-2011, 06:28 AM

stevenoble

06-12-2011, 08:19 AM

Wow, that all looks very impressive..!!! Some really nice detail touches everywhere and beautiful interior details. I would definitely want to build that..!!

racer93

06-13-2011, 08:28 AM

wow, that all looks very impressive..!!! Some really nice detail touches everywhere and beautiful interior details. I would definitely want to build that..!!
+1!!!!!

Luis Pacheco

06-14-2011, 01:46 PM

http://www.belkits.com/index.php?action=products

Window mask for the 207!

willimo

06-14-2011, 11:51 PM

Man I want one of these! I don't even care about the subject matter - the kit just looks so fantastic I want to make it!!

MidMazar

06-15-2011, 10:57 AM

I hope belkits does really well as a company. Good luck to you and thanks for making these kits.

turbothirtytwo

06-15-2011, 03:31 PM

fantastic looking kit. first time I see roof detail from OOB. hope we will see some circuit stuff from you guys :)

Luis Pacheco

06-21-2011, 10:38 AM

Third release from Belkits:

Ford Fiesta WRC - Deutschand Rallye 2011 :)

www.belkits.com (http://www.belkits.com)

racer93

06-21-2011, 11:31 AM

That's awesome to hear! I can't wait!

I just hope one day that someone will do a full-detail kit (engine) of a rally car. That would be really cool. (I'm doing one soon of the WRC Corolla and the Celica GT-4 engine in it...but it's not the same...)

Daniel

Luis Pacheco

06-21-2011, 12:30 PM

http://www.belkits.be/index.php?action=historiek&wat=fiestaWRC

rallymaster

06-21-2011, 01:57 PM

Oooh yessss!! :thumbsup: and a Deutschand rally moreover !!! one kit I wouldn't need decals for to convert it into Deutschland rally !! :)
Excellent choice, nothing more to add.
At last a brand that understand what modelers expect (not saying that for the rally choice but for the overall choice, a recent car, a popular european event etc etc)

Pugnuts

06-21-2011, 09:55 PM

Belkits is the cat's miaow. What I really think is so good is the gravel Tk for these kits. If Tamiya did that there wouldn't be a load of spare Evo 3 206 shells sitting around!

Pugnuts

06-21-2011, 09:58 PM

What is bad about Belkits is the US distributor wants $89.00 for a kit.m plus shipping. Where are you media mix??

Luis Pacheco

07-02-2011, 11:11 AM

Belkits.be / Belkits.com
Another update: Now that we have completed research about licenses in other countries, shipping costs, delivery- and payment conditions,

we can finally start to deliver our products to shops all over the world.
We've got many demands already, and orders start from today.

...An updated list of shops will be availabe on Belkits.be / Belkits.com.

Cheers
Belkits.be / Belkits.com

Luis Pacheco

07-20-2011, 04:48 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/281823_210382595676073_161068673940799_587063_4993 691_n.jpg

stevenpae

09-05-2011, 11:36 AM

update offline at demand of company
when we can show updates, we will let you know

rallymaster

09-05-2011, 01:29 PM

Excellent !
I can't wait for the Deutschland rallye Fiesta WRC !! :)

auw12

09-06-2011, 09:53 AM

Can't wait anymore for that fezzi!

Luis Pacheco

01-25-2012, 11:25 AM

Some days ago Belkits announced this two sets of decals for the Fiesta WRC

http://www.belkits.com/index.php?action=details&ref=BELDEC009

http://www.belkits.com/index.php?action=details&ref=BELDEC010

Let´s wait for the kit.

rallymaster

01-25-2012, 11:39 AM

Ok so it will be as for the Heller C4 and the Simil'R focus... two kits please ! :icon16:
Can't miss the Deutschland version, but neither the France rally one, closest stage being only 5 kms away from home :p :naughty:

Luis Pacheco

03-15-2012, 06:50 AM

Belkits.be / Belkits.com
Ok,

here's a resumé of what's going on at the moment:

- both Fiesta S2000 & WRC are build to see if everything fits.
... - final adjustments are made
- manual is almost finished, final changes are made
- transkit and box art for transkit are ready and send to Ford & M-sport for approval
- decal for the Fiesta WRC - Monte Carlo 2012 is ready (BEL-DEC010)
- decal for the Fiesta WRC - Rallye de France 2011 is ready (BEL-DEC009)

- contracts for BEL004 *#*@/@\##* are send to us for review (kit should be announced later this year)
this means we know for 100% what the 4th kit will be

We are still waiting for Ford to approve the use of pictures on the website & Facebook,
so nothing to show yet

Just be patiened and you will get alot to see in the first month.

Cheers

Nicolas
www.belkits.be (http://www.belkits.be/) / www.belkits.com (http://www.belkits.com/)

Luis Pacheco

03-28-2012, 03:38 PM

Belkits.be / Belkits.com
another update:

BEL 002: 125 parts
body
8 sprues
... photo-etch parts
seatbelts
decal sheet
window mask

BEL 003: 127 parts
body
8 sprues
photo-etch parts
seatbelts
decal sheet
window mask

Koudy

04-08-2012, 07:59 AM

stevenoble

04-08-2012, 08:16 AM

Hello, I have problem with painting the final coat of P207 S2000. I put decals on it, let body dry for a few weeks to be sure that all decals are perfect dry. Today I painted the body with Gunze SuperClear (in spray), I only put one thick layer (as ever) from cca 20cm. This is the same way I use for my kits for few years with no problem.

But after cca 30 second all decals cracked (looks like dry surface of salt lake). I am not the only one, same problem have 3 of my friends from my country. I need to buy new decals, but I would like to ask you how to paint it with final coat? Which lacquer to use, Gunze SuperClear or Tamiya X-20 (clear)? Or have you got any other way?
Please, see 3 photos on my forum what have happen http://forum.paddockmag.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=70&p=3466#p3466.

Thank you very much for your help, I really appreaciate it.

The clear that you are using is quite aggressive and will attack decals if applied in thick/heavy coats too soon. Apply it very lightly and build up the number of coats slowly and thinly until you have a good coverage. Allow it to dry before you apply any heavier coats. This should give better results and allow some protection of the decals and prevent the cracking that you have experienced. You could also try a less aggressive clear to prevent your problems (Gunze Topcoat, Zero 2K etc)

Koudy

04-08-2012, 09:04 AM

Hello Steve, thanks for a quick reply. This is the very first time I hear that SuperClear is strong and aggressive. I always put first layer from Spray, just to fix decals and be sure that they will not crack.
I use this way for a long time (a years), build a lot of kits and it was always OK. Now I applied it by the same way, sprayed SuperClear from the distance 20 - 30 cm, just a very thick coat.
The body was dry, last decal was applied before month, so I was very surprised what happened. I will buy new decals (Meeke, Ypres 2010), but I am very afraid what will happen next time.

Steve, what do you think about first coat made by Tamiya lacquere X20?

eyckles

04-09-2012, 04:39 AM

Koudy

04-09-2012, 01:41 PM

eyckles

04-09-2012, 02:11 PM

Hi Lesley,
thank you very much for your offer, I really appreciate it. One of my friends from Czech Republic who is going to build different version will send me his spare decals. I guess I will have them this week.

But it´s good to know that somebody "unknown" wants to help. Many thanks Lesley (I will use your hint and try X22).

Best regards
Martin

Hi Martin,

No problem. I'm glad you found the decal set that you where looking for. I hope to see your finished build soon here on AF.

Best regards,
Lesley

stevenoble

04-09-2012, 05:38 PM

Steve, what do you think about first coat made by Tamiya lacquere X20?

Maybe you mean X-22 acrylic clear..?? X-20 is enamel thinner. Be careful spraying any lacquer over X-22 clear. I am pretty sure it will attack the finish. Maybe someone else can confirm this..??

eyckles

04-09-2012, 05:43 PM

Maybe you mean X-22 acrylic clear..?? X-20 is enamel thinner. Be careful spraying any lacquer over X-22 clear. I am pretty sure it will attack the finish. Maybe someone else can confirm this..??

Oh forgot to mention. Don't spray any lacquer over the tamiya X22 acrylics. You can go with 2K clear from Zero Paints without any issues over X22 acrylics.

Best regards,
Lesley

Koudy

04-10-2012, 10:52 AM

My fault guys, it is X-22 of course. I discussed this also with Steven from Belkits.com and he recommend Gunze Gloss. But it is the same base, acrylic.

At this time is Peugeot´s body back in surfacer and I will be back soon with my own thread. But I guess it was good to solve this issue here to warn other modelers to avoid Gunze Superclear.
Thanks a lot guys for your help, this is exactly what I wanted to know.

Luis Pacheco

04-24-2012, 11:25 AM

Luis Pacheco

04-24-2012, 11:55 AM

Outlaw66

04-28-2012, 06:50 PM

When these beauties will start to be sold ???? :confused:

I'll want at least one of each ...:runaround:

Cristiano

eyckles

04-28-2012, 07:14 PM

When these beauties will start to be sold ???? :confused:

I'll want at least one of each ...:runaround:

Cristiano

I heard from a good source, that the release will be june(propably during the Geko Ypres Rally). They have to build one of each kit to get the final ok from Ford. Then they can start manufacture them for the clients.

Best regards,
Lesley

TvD

04-29-2012, 01:21 PM

I heard from a good source, that the release will be june(propably during the Geko Ypres Rally). They have to build one of each kit to get the final ok from Ford. Then they can start manufacture them for the clients.

They have already build one of each. They took them along to "Modelforce" in Belgium today.... They were build so Ford could assess if they would give the "go" on the decalset, which they didn't. So it might be a bit longer before they are ready to produce I'm afraid....:frown:

Luis Pacheco

05-02-2012, 07:19 AM

They took them along to "Modelforce" in Belgium today....

No pictures? I don´t believe...:naughty:

racer93

05-02-2012, 07:46 AM

They have already build one of each. They took them along to "Modelforce" in Belgium today.... They were build so Ford could assess if they would give the "go" on the decalset, which they didn't. So it might be a bit longer before they are ready to produce I'm afraid....:frown:
What could possibly be wrong with the decals that Ford would say no? That's an odd thing to say, "No go" on...

Luis Pacheco

05-02-2012, 11:24 AM

TvD told in other forum that the problem was with the color of some decals.

TvD

05-03-2012, 04:48 AM

TvD told in other forum that the problem was with the color of some decals.

Yep. Apparently Ford told Belkits some of the colours on the decals were wrong. Which is a bit strange as Ford themselves dictated the exact colours to be used, which Belkits did of course :banghead:

racer93

05-04-2012, 04:42 PM

Yep. Apparently Ford told Belkits some of the colours on the decals were wrong. Which is a bit strange as Ford themselves dictated the exact colours to be used, which Belkits did of course :banghead:

First, sorry for missing the other thread...didn't see any. My mistake.

Wow, how did Belkits mess that one up so badly? Seems something fairly simple (for this industry), especially when color chips were (assumingly) supplied? Wow.

This doesn't screw this kit's release up, does it? The black and white version is really, really cool! Maybe Ford will let them do that one--can't mess those colors up! :p

TvD

05-05-2012, 03:12 AM

First, sorry for missing the other thread...didn't see any. My mistake.

Wow, how did Belkits mess that one up so badly? Seems something fairly simple (for this industry), especially when color chips were (assumingly) supplied? Wow.

This doesn't screw this kit's release up, does it? The black and white version is really, really cool! Maybe Ford will let them do that one--can't mess those colors up! :p

Bellkits didn't screw up anything. Ford told them what colors to use and they passed those on to the decal maker. They, in turn, used that to make the decals. Someone at Ford probably doesn't realise the colour will look different at 1/24 scale compared to real life... so as far as I'm concerned Bellkits is not to blame ;)

Dexter Models

05-05-2012, 05:58 AM

rallymaster

05-05-2012, 06:58 AM

Yes, they don't understand that a colour will look different at 1/24 scale compared to real life.
And they did the same thing with Simil'R Focus for the "Abu Dhabi" red...

Guys from Ford who check are fly fucker or idiot...or both... :chair:

The real and only idiots there are the brands that refuse to understand they have to care for accuracy and release perfect items !! :loser: :loser:
(and I'm not talking about belkit, they sure did their best and Ford perhaps pushed too far their accuracy watching)

But I'm 100% with Ford asking the models to be perfect because it's seems to be the only thing that can make some brands try to release perfect model !!
talking about ford, look at the Renaissance Focus, 3 colors, none is correct !! 130 euros for such kit. If only Ford had checked the model !!

Is dexter model part of these brands refusing to care about quality in total customers unrespect ?? for sure you'll say no, so what can shock you in brands giving agreement wanting to have their car perfectly done ?? It's their image on the models done... and what would you say if they simply refuse ??

that's a typical french brand reaction, releasing + or - good things and screaming that claimers are idiot !!
That's precisely why I left french forums for long time, stupid purchasers that would proudly put shit in their display cabinets and brands that think buyers are idiots as soon as they find something to say !!

You never hear Italian or Spanish brands claiming for having to improve or taking care of the accuracy of the things they do !!

Idiots aren't ford watchers but brands that don't care enough of quality in total customers disrecpect and builders that agree to pay $$ for such models and for sure would be the first to say there's something wrong with it...
If ford had better watched simil'r focus, it wouldn't have been so false, and having watched it made them have the first correct red of the maket - do you think it's bad perhaps ?? - and if they had better watched renaissance focus (did they only watch it ??), for sure you would have had correct colors on it !!

So who can have to claim for something ?? Kits market is the only one I know on which you can release shitty models and refusing to hear someone claiming for them to be better !!
try to think what would be your travel or your health if plane pilots or doctors had the same mentality ??
"ohh don't claim you wanting to land in newyork you're in boston !"
"oh right hand ? I cut left one but you still have the other so hey wtf ??"

That way of thinking is being IDIOT, moreover if being a brand !!

And if you think ford goes too far, just try to think about why they are now forced to go so far regarding all the false shitty models on the market (especially 1/43 diecast) !!

Luis Pacheco

05-05-2012, 07:22 AM

and if they had better watched renaissance focus (did they only watch it ??), for sure you would have had correct colors on it !!

Renaissance´s Focus was made with knowledge of Ford? I have my doubts.

rallymaster

05-05-2012, 07:27 AM

Renaissance´s Focus was made with knowledge of Ford? I have my doubts.

Precisely not according to me, that's why it's so false !
Normaly none Ford badged product can be launched on the market without their agreement (??), but seeing the model I really doubt Ford gave any agreement for it whereas they asked Belkit to review a color that seemed correct from what we can see...

Dexter Models

05-05-2012, 09:02 AM

(Sorry for english readers, but it's easier for me to answer to Phil in french
He says lot of things, but doesn't know the whole story...)

On se calme Phil...C'est limite insultant tes propos alors que tu ne connais que la partie émergée de l'iceberg.

L'incompétence des gens mandatés par Ford pour vérifier les production Belkits ou Simil'R est la suivante : Ils exigent la couleur Pantone XY employée sur la voiture réelle, puis une fois le modèle en main ils trouvent la couleur trop sombre (forcément avec le rapport d’échelle d'une miniature qui reçoit moins de lumière qu'une voiture à l’échelle 1).
Résultat, ils refusent une couleur qu'ils ont eux-même exigé !
Pour parler de Simil'R, les gens de chez Matech et de Pescarolo ont communiqué leurs références couleur officielles, mais ont laissé la porte ouverte aux discussions pour aménager cette teinte à l'utilisation sur une miniature et en fonction des contraintes d'impression. Bref le bon sens même.
Si Simil'R ne s'était pas battu pour corriger le rouge Abu Dhabi de la Focus, celui-ci serait carrément marron !
Contrairement à ce que tu crois, la démarche est justement de fournir un produit cohérent aux client.
Pour ce qui est de la modélisation du kit de la Focus, Ford ne s'est pas fait prier pour exiger les dizaines de milliers d'euro de licence, mais n'a fourni aucune donnée type plan ou fichier 3D...Juste quelques photos

Ce qui est étrange, c'est qu'il n'y a eu aucun problème de la sorte avec Matech et Pescarolo...Donc qui est idiot et qui se fout de la gueule de qui ?
Ford défend son image et c'est tout à son honneur. Malheureusement, les gens qu'ils emploient pour cela sont totalement bornés.

Pour la partie artisan, je ne parlerai que de moi, Renaissance parlera en sont nom s'il le souhaite.
Pour faire court, nous ne sommes pas sujet aux licences sous un certain nombre d'exemplaires.(droit européen)
Par contre la qualité de notre travail est en corrélation directe avec notre survie et il n'y a donc aucune raison à faire du mauvais travail. CQFD

Plus personnellement et en tant que Français qui te lit régulièrement:
Tu critiques le côté français râleur, mais tu t'y emplois plus qu'a ton tour dans bon nombres de sujets !
Et bien souvent comme ici en tirant des conclusions hâtives sur des sujets dont tu ne maitrises pas tous les tenants et les aboutissants.

Alors cher compatriote, relativise un peu avant de publier un tel pamphlet basé sur des informations faibles ou erronées.
A bon entendeur, salut

rallymaster

05-05-2012, 10:04 AM

I know enough to see that such answer precisely proves how I'm right and why it's in french better than in english...!!
once more the brand maker is "the one who knows" and the buyer the "stupid ignorant who only has to fill the checks" or he's insulting the brand if he dares saying something !!

(Sorry for english readers, but it's easier for me to answer to Phil in french
He says lot of things, but doesn't know the whole story...)

On se calme Phil...C'est limite insultant tes propos alors que tu ne connais que la partie émergée de l'iceberg.

L'incompétence des gens mandatés par Ford pour vérifier les production Belkits ou Simil'R est la suivante : Ils exigent la couleur Pantone XY employée sur la voiture réelle, puis une fois le modèle en main ils trouvent la couleur trop sombre (forcément avec le rapport d’échelle d'une miniature qui reçoit moins de lumière qu'une voiture à l’échelle 1).
Résultat, ils refusent une couleur qu'ils ont eux-même exigé !
Pour parler de Simil'R, les gens de chez Matech et de Pescarolo ont communiqué leurs références couleur officielles, mais ont laissé la porte ouverte aux discussions pour aménager cette teinte à l'utilisation sur une miniature et en fonction des contraintes d'impression. Bref le bon sens même.
Si Simil'R ne s'était pas battu pour corriger le rouge Abu Dhabi de la Focus, celui-ci serait carrément marron !
Contrairement à ce que tu crois, la démarche est justement de fournir un produit cohérent aux client.
Pour ce qui est de la modélisation du kit de la Focus, Ford ne s'est pas fait prier pour exiger les dizaines de milliers d'euro de licence, mais n'a fourni aucune donnée type plan ou fichier 3D...Juste quelques photos

Ce qui est étrange, c'est qu'il n'y a eu aucun problème de la sorte avec Matech et Pescarolo...Donc qui est idiot et qui se fout de la gueule de qui ?
Ford défend son image et c'est tout à son honneur. Malheureusement, les gens qu'ils emploient pour cela sont totalement bornés.

Pour la partie artisan, je ne parlerai que de moi, Renaissance parlera en sont nom s'il le souhaite.
Pour faire court, nous ne sommes pas sujet aux licences sous un certain nombre d'exemplaires.(droit européen)
Par contre la qualité de notre travail est en corrélation directe avec notre survie et il n'y a donc aucune raison à faire du mauvais travail. CQFD

Plus personnellement et en tant que Français qui te lit régulièrement:
Tu critiques le côté français râleur, mais tu t'y emplois plus qu'a ton tour dans bon nombres de sujets !
Et bien souvent comme ici en tirant des conclusions hâtives sur des sujets dont tu ne maitrises pas tous les tenants et les aboutissants.

Alors cher compatriote, relativise un peu avant de publier un tel pamphlet basé sur des informations faibles ou erronées.
A bon entendeur, salut

Insultant ??!! sans rire, et ou est l'insulte...?? sinon de me balancer qu'évidemment je suis l'idiot de service qui ne sait pas de quoi il parle !!
cette seule remarque suffit à me donner raison, car le seul qui est abondé en insultes c'est toi vis à vis des personnels de Ford !!
deuxièmement je ne critique pas le côté raleur, je critique le fait que les fabricants francais ne se remettent jamais en cause et rejette toujours la faute sur un client qui est bon à faire un chèque mais doit surtout la fermer encore plus s'il a à raison des choses à dire !!
Ca va surement de paire avec le côté "je suis pro je sais tout et savez rien" qu'en bon fabricant (??) francais tu nous étales aussi ci-dessus !!
et c'est bien ça la maladie des fabricants francais, qui pensent qu'en tant que pro ils savent tout mieux que tout le monde sauf que, et je ne parle pas des ficelles du métier elles-mêmes, la plupart des acheteurs sont bien plus compétents à juger des produits que ceux qui les mettent sur le marché !!
Le jour où vous comprendrez que derrière vos discours bien pensés de qualité bla bla bla il y a une réalité que vous refusez d'admettre vous ferez un pas en avant dans votre survie si malmenée.
ah une autre réalité en passant: Renaissance n'est pas contraint à faire valider sa focus et... elle est fausse et aucune couleur n'est correcte !!
Belkit se fait promener selon tes dires par Ford et... sa fiesta sera parfaitement réaliste !!
quand à Simil'R y'a pas besoin des plans 3D pour voir la forme de l'aileron et la largeur des extensions d'ailes, tous les passionnés et maquettistes l'ont vu, seul le fabricant ne l'a pas vu... mais ca encore ca va etre la faute de Ford puisque c'est ce que tu sous entends ci-dessus... Et encore une fois aussi ca va être moi l'idiot qui ose le dire au lieu de fermer sa gueule et faire un chèque... puisque par nature le client ne sait rien et ne comprend rien !!
d'ailleurs en passant je serais curieux d'avoir la liste des sujets ou je fais des conclusions hâtives !! je sens que ca pourrait etre drole car la plupart du temps je suis conforté par d'autres sur mes avis.
d'ailleurs je ne tire ici aucune conclusions et encore moins hâtives, je constate juste qu'encore une fois lorsqu'il y a des exigences de qualités, fussent elles justes ou éxagérées de la part du constructeur qui jusqu'à preuve du contraire est encore libre de gérer ses licences comme il l'entend, les seuls qui se mettent à brailler et insulter tout le monde comme si c'était anormal ce sont... des fabricants Français !!
alors je te retourne ta question, qui passe pour un idiot dans l'histoire ??
Il n'y a nul pamphlet ni informations erronées, juste une approbation de la démarche de qualité menée par Ford dont chacun peut juger de sa pertinence une fois le résultat en mains (contrairement à toi qui juge déjà avant que ford sont des idiots etc etc) et dont je ne comprends pas qu'elle puisse te déranger si tu t'associes à une telle démarche pour tes propres produits.
comme s'il vallait mieux un produit faux que juste, comme si le fabricant savait encore mieux que le constructeur quelle est la bonne couleur et si ce n'est qu'une question de rendu des décals par rapport à une couleur réelle alros le débat serait vite clos et ne paraitrait même pas ici.
A bon entendeur ? je ne te le fais pas dire, puisses tu toi même au nom des fabricants francais dont tu défends si mal la mentalité entendre ce que ceux qui paient vos produits aux uns et aux autres ont à dire !!
car encore une fois ni belkit ni aucune autre personne impliquée ne vient faire de commentaires désagrables et insultant sur cette démarche si ce n'est... toi, un fabricant francais !! même pas impliqué dans le processus de création de cette auto non ? CQFD que tu disais, non ? :lol:
maintenant si tu tiens vraiment à poursuivre le ridicule de notre débat franco-français plus loin j'ai un MP car ce forum est anglophone. ;)
pis c'est tellement rare un fabricant francais à l'écoute...!! hihihi :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dexter Models

05-05-2012, 12:16 PM

rallymaster

05-05-2012, 12:35 PM

Je te répondrais volontiers par MP prochainement.
A la lecture de ta réponse, je vois que tu n'a pas compris ce que je voulais dire.
Je me suis peut-être mal exprimé, chose que je conçois sans problème.
Par contre je ne t'ai jamais traité d'idiot, je ne me le permettrait pas.
Je note par contre ton cynisme.

Sorry for english readers, we continue this discussion with Phil by MP.

Le cynisme que tu perçois est en fait le reflet de toute la dérision que je mets dans mes réponses, une façon en quelque sorte de nuancer l'appreté d'un propos que je sais sans détour.
Je ne suis pas connu pour mon hypocrisie en effet !! :lol: :lol:
mon MP est ouvert si tu le souhaites ;)

And yes let's go back to english and thread subject.

spede

05-05-2012, 12:57 PM

Well, well, more offtopic...

What about leaving arguing and keeping on modelling? Here's my version of Simil'R Focus:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=6976235#post6976235

Anyway, good speaking from Phil. I really don't find much good saying of French rallyemodels, Profil24, Renaissance etc. Luckily there are manufacturers like ModellingMaster from Russia, who doesn't only make awesome quality BUT they also listen modeller's.
I do think that shade of the red is very small thing when a body of a 1:24 is 1 cm too wide, like the thing was with Simil'R Focus...

And to the actual topic of this thread: Great work from Belkits, can't wait to get my hands on these kits. Many thanks for remembering rallymodellers! Too bad that M-Sport screwed up the colour issue. Does M-Sport give 3D's to your use or do you need to do everything yourselves?

That colour thing annoys me. I do understand that metallic colours must be different in models than in the real cars, as flake size are different. But normal solid colours should be different??? I think that when using completely same basecoat shade as in the real car, the real paint should look just right on it, no matter with the scale?

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