getting a 94 to 97 mustang

hi guys! i use to drive standard civic and i want to get a standard mustang i dont know if i should get a v8 or v6! is there any problems with this car im new to ford so any help would be great!

thanx all!

Do yourself a favor and forget about the 6 cyl. V8 all the way, you'll be happier!

V8 > v6 for obvious reasons.

If you're going to get a v6 (for insurance reasons), get a 98 or newer.

A v8? Get a 94-95 or 99+

i think im better of with the lx it has lower insurance and its strong enough for me! it also has lass gass usage! the lx is 190 hp which is great and the gt is 240 hp! i think that 190 hp can beat my friends 97 prelude! one more think i can get a 94 or 95 mustang for about 5000 $ canadian which is how much i have! but the only thing that scares me is i dont know anything about mustangs engin! and how it works! you bring me a honda and i can tell you everything but im very new to amarican cars! :sun:

uh... I think you're confusing yourself.

From 94 up, there is no such thing as an LX Mustang.

94-95 v6 had 145hp
94-95 GT had 215hp
94-95 Cobra had 240hp
96-98 v6 had 150hp
96-97 GT had 215hp
98 GT had 225hp
96-98 Cobra had 305hp
99-03 v6 has 193hp
99-03 GT has 260hp
01 Bullitt has 275hp
03 Mach 1 has 305hp
99,01 Cobra has 320hp
03 Cobra has 390hp

Anymore questions?

Originally posted by Los
uh... I think you're confusing yourself.

From 94 up, there is no such thing as an LX Mustang.


This is true, all though some people still refer to 6cyl mustang as LX's even though there was not an official one produced. If you really have your heart set on a V6, the look into super charging it and converting to duel exhaust.

hmmm think about it do you want to have alot of power or do you only care about the looks, if your lookin for power and you have a good 10,000 G's go for either a 1998-99 mustang gt with only about 210 HP at the rear wheels at the most or a LT1 Trans Am with 250 to 260 Hp at the rear wheels, what ever you do try to get a 96 or up WS6

98 GT - 180+ rwhp
99 GT - 225+ rwhp

But what if he doesn't want a Ws6?

The thing is a stock TA or Z28 will be just as fast as a stock cobra of that same yr and a TA would be thousands less while a Z28 is even less in value compared to the TA. Then you get a WS6 of the same yr spendin the same amount as you would on a cobra and the stock WS6 would for sure smoke the stock Cobra so you decide.

97 cobra- 240-250 RWHP
98 cobra- 240-250 RWHP
99 cobra- 275-280 RWHP

97 WS6- 275-280 RWHP
98 WS6- 305-325 RWHP
99 WS6- 305-325 RWHP

WS6 will end up being a rattle trap. Sure, its fast as hell, but your not paying for quality there, just cheap speed.

Originally posted by HotRoder
The thing is a stock TA or Z28 will be just as fast as a stock cobra of that same yr and a TA would be thousands less while a Z28 is even less in value compared to the TA. Then you get a WS6 of the same yr spendin the same amount as you would on a cobra and the stock WS6 would for sure smoke the stock Cobra so you decide.

97 cobra- 240-250 RWHP
98 cobra- 240-250 RWHP
99 cobra- 275-280 RWHP

97 WS6- 275-280 RWHP
98 WS6- 305-325 RWHP
99 WS6- 305-325 RWHP

Not necessarily true. A fully load TA is upwards to 30k+. A Cobra is fully loaded with only a few options at all.

Since the 96-98 Cobra were rated at 305, it would be around 260 rwhp. Stock for stock, I think it might be the driver vs driver. They both trap in the low 14s.

The LS1s, on the other hand, dominated the Cobras, but even that was a tough fight. I raced a 2001 LS1 Camaro and barely got beat at the top (around 90+mph). But I have a bullitt and therefore, with less power.

Ive seen all these cars dynoed at stock evaluation and thats where i got the hp rating from. the LS1 is the supireor engine by far when it comes to the LT1 or the 32 valve cobra Aside from the CobraR. what kinda cam does it have anyway? DOHC, OHV, OHC,?? Ill tell you if you put the right Cam on your LT1 or 4.6L and you can gain tons of ponys only spending 1/4 the amount you spend on a supercharger and get the same gain in HP. I have an LT1 with ram air, i know how fast it is, its eliminated everything i have ever raced with the exception of some certian imports with turbos and nosy rice bowl mufflers on the back tailing me the whole way (while racing) a car legnth behind me which was close but no cigar. Ive killed every mustang i have ever raced and the new GT's forget it. Thats not to say a 99 Cobra wouldnt kill my car but 98 and lower stock forget it. the 99 is right near my RWHP rating stock and thats why that would be a truly genuine race. I know why i have never lost a race yet and its because i have never got a chance to race a LS1 WS6 or 98 SS and of course the 99 and up Cobra. This is all based on analitical stock evaluation, when you bring mods into the mix anything can beat anything.

Originally posted by HotRoder
bring mods into the mix anything can beat anything.

Yup, ain't that the truth. I've put to rest a few F-bodies in my time. Z28, LS1 Vette, just never had the chance to run a WS6. Would like to at some point though just for giggles.

Yea hey nice stang bro. the 13.8s 13.7s right around my range so if we raced it would be interesting thats for sure. So you took on a LS1 vette? thats pretty amazing with that ET time you must be a realy good racer. I can understand the Z28 but the vette? How many ponys did that new cam shaft add?? I am thinking about a new high performance cam with new rockers myself just dont know which one to get yet. i also asume SMOG will be affected by this but its not like i give a shit!

Well, the 13.8 I ran isn't exactly what my car is capable of at all. Traction was a major issue that run and I spun right through first, not to mention I was still getting use to my new combo. I've been working on my suspension this spring, and fine tuning my car for optimal performance. As of right now my car is running 100 times better then it was last year when I was at the track. A guy at a mustang shop in my area estimated my car to have about 350hp just by what I have done to it. I should be breaking into the 12's once I hit the track again, at least I hope. Remember this car is also an auto, so it will take more to net decent times.

As for racing that Vette. We sitting at a light and I had no intention on racing. Light turned green and he gunned it, his car was way louder then mine, so I figured what the heck and went for it. That was the first time I every chirped 3rd gear, and the next thing I knew I was ahead of the Vette. the Vette was also a drop top, and I don't know if he had done any work to the car besides exhaust. I was very pumped after that, and not to mention kind of shocked by myself.

I am glad that this has not turned imto a war. Most other boards woiuld be full of teenagers spouting off how their car is fastest.

It is a Given that a LS1 f-body will smoke our mustangs. We all know that. As you said when mods are added anything can beat anything. The only problem i have with the F-body cars is their style. I am not much for wedge shaped cars. i like a relaxed sitting position, and a usable trunk. I think that the f-bodies are attractive, but not pretty. Every time i see one i notice the front end overhang.

Please dont take this wrong, but i personally believe that the mustang is a prettier car. Immagine a mustang styling with the ls1 style engine. that would be pretty sweet.

I do agree that some of the F-bodies don't appeal to me, but I do kinda find the WS6 attractive. Maybe that's just me.

Originally posted by HotRoder
Ive seen all these cars dynoed at stock evaluation and thats where i got the hp rating from. the LS1 is the supireor engine by far when it comes to the LT1 or the 32 valve cobra Aside from the CobraR. what kinda cam does it have anyway? DOHC, OHV, OHC,?? Ill tell you if you put the right Cam on your LT1 or 4.6L and you can gain tons of ponys only spending 1/4 the amount you spend on a supercharger and get the same gain in HP. I have an LT1 with ram air, i know how fast it is, its eliminated everything i have ever raced with the exception of some certian imports with turbos and nosy rice bowl mufflers on the back tailing me the whole way (while racing) a car legnth behind me which was close but no cigar. Ive killed every mustang i have ever raced and the new GT's forget it. Thats not to say a 99 Cobra wouldnt kill my car but 98 and lower stock forget it. the 99 is right near my RWHP rating stock and thats why that would be a truly genuine race. I know why i have never lost a race yet and its because i have never got a chance to race a LS1 WS6 or 98 SS and of course the 99 and up Cobra. This is all based on analitical stock evaluation, when you bring mods into the mix anything can beat anything.

The Cobra R is a 5.4 DOHC (Cobra heads, 5.4 aluminum block). I would have to call bs on the LS1 being superior over the 4.6 DOHC. Horsepower wise maybe but (being funny) the paper says the DOHC makes more hp per liter than the LS1. Therefore, I would tend to think the potential lies more with the DOHC than the LS1.

Don't get me wrong, the LS1 is a badass motor but damn, its so 30 years ago. :licker:

The vette may have had low back presure from shity instalation of a muffler or simply the wrong muffler all together. this would of course lower HP and the fact that he had the top down plays a role in lowering HP but all in all good kill. I know that dude in the vette probably saw your car and thought it was some piece of shit 5.0 since its an earlier year although it looks nice. He probably took it back to the dealer bumin thinkin there was something wrong after lossin to a 92 5.0 but i for sure know better, with mods anything can beat anything. Now on yours is that 350 RWHP or 350 at the flywheel? I just got done replacin a leaky valve cover gasket in about a couple hours when some mechanic was tryin to charge me around $300 to have them bolth replaced. The 97 F-bodys can be notorious for the leaky valve cover, it causes the oil to leak on the headers and smell like burt oil. I asume this can also get oil on the trany and burn up the clutch, what do you think? Anyway If you beat that vette you must be somwhere near or lower then 13.5's which is high potential for a 5.0 that comes stock with 225 HP and what, 205 RWHP.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Los
[B]

The Cobra R is a 5.4 DOHC (Cobra heads, 5.4 aluminum block). I would have to call bs on the LS1 being superior over the 4.6 DOHC. Horsepower wise maybe but (being funny) the paper says the DOHC makes more hp per liter than the LS1. Therefore, I would tend to think the potential lies more with the DOHC than the LS1.


Well for one thing the LS1 has tons more displacement then the DualOverHeadCam 4.6 liter engine hence it packs more power per cylinder and this means more power all together. Think about it, a 5.7 liter engine vs a 4.6 modular engine. the 5.7 has 5.7 liters total displacement through out all the cylinder bores including cylinder heads.
The 4.6 liter has 4.6 liters displacement which is 1.1 liters less through out all the cylinder bores and heads compared to the LS1. The only way it would be possible for the 4.6 to be more powerful stock in this sense i assume would be to have a higher compression ratio then the LS1 which isnt to likely. Tell me who gave you that paper and ill shoot him k buddy :sun:

No, you misinterpreted what I meant.

a 4.6 DOHC does 1.1 per liter. Take that same theory and add another 1.1 liter. That's 1.2+ Xhp per liter.

So I meant that yeah, an LS1 does 350 for a 346. But hp/liter match the 4.6 to the LS1 and the odds would lean toward the 4.6 now 5.7 DOHC.

But the 5.4 DOHC proved that with less cubic inches.

I should be 350 HP at the flywheel, so minus 16% for frictional loss through the drivetrain, and it should be somewhere around 294 RWHP, that's all estimation though. I hope to get the car dyno tuned this summer. Like I said before, I should be breaking into the 12's once I hit the track, if I had a stick I would be well into the 12's.

Now as far as HP per liter, Los is correct. Just cause a motor has more displacement doesn't mean it makes more HP per liter then a smaller displacement motor. Take the 98 Cobra 4.6L DOHC pushing 305 BHP. So that's 305 divided by 4.6 equaling 66.3 HP per liter. Now take a 98 SS 5.7L LS1 pushing 320 BHP. That's 320 divided by 5.7 equaling 56.1 HP per liter. See what he was getting at? But IMO HP/liter doesn't mean anything. I believe in "run what ya brung," its all about taking whatever power you have and putting it to the ground.

Originally posted by HiFlow5 0
I should be 350 HP at the flywheel, so minus 16% for frictional loss through the drivetrain, and it should be somewhere around 294 RWHP, that's all estimation though. I hope to get the car dyno tuned this summer. Like I said before, I should be breaking into the 12's once I hit the track, if I had a stick I would be well into the 12's.

Now as far as HP per liter, Los is correct. Just cause a motor has more displacement doesn't mean it makes more HP per liter then a smaller displacement motor. Take the 98 Cobra 4.6L DOHC pushing 305 BHP. So that's 305 divided by 4.6 equaling 66.3 HP per liter. Now take a 98 SS 5.7L LS1 pushing 320 BHP. That's 320 divided by 5.7 equaling 56.1 HP per liter. See what he was getting at? But IMO HP/liter doesn't mean anything. I believe in "run what ya brung," its all about taking whatever power you have and putting it to the ground.

I totally agree, but I was just being mean.

:licker:

Originally posted by HiFlow5 0
I should be 350 HP at the flywheel, so minus 16% for frictional loss through the drivetrain, and it should be somewhere around 294 RWHP, that's all estimation though. I hope to get the car dyno tuned this summer. Like I said before, I should be breaking into the 12's once I hit the track, if I had a stick I would be well into the 12's.

Now as far as HP per liter, Los is correct. Just cause a motor has more displacement doesn't mean it makes more HP per liter then a smaller displacement motor. Take the 98 Cobra 4.6L DOHC pushing 305 BHP. So that's 305 divided by 4.6 equaling 66.3 HP per liter. Now take a 98 SS 5.7L LS1 pushing 320 BHP. That's 320 divided by 5.7 equaling 56.1 HP per liter. See what he was getting at? But IMO HP/liter doesn't mean anything. I believe in "run what ya brung," its all about taking whatever power you have and putting it to the ground.

Think about it logicaly, The 98 cobra first off is over rated at 305 when its realy pushin 245-260 at the most RWHP. The 98 SS on the other hand is underated and pushin some where a little over 300 RWHP, now where does this extra HP come from?? It comes from the 1.1 liter more displacement, the difference in the amount of air fuel mixture does make a difference. Now when you have a performance DOHC 32 valve engine the performance cams only have to stay open just a little longer on the intake stroke to let more and more air/fuel mix in, i asume this is what the 4.6 cobra has that makes it a little more original in that it compresses a little more air fuel but still even lags on the 98 LS1 by 15-25 ponys. As for your stang bro dont have such high expectations, 295 RWHP is not gonna get you in the 12's mine pushes that and my ET is in the high 13's you dont want to get dissapointed at the track. Suspension and gear ratio is a plus but still with that amount of HP its not likely.

Originally posted by HotRoder
As for your stang bro dont have such high expectations, 295 RWHP is not gonna get you in the 12's mine pushes that and my ET is in the high 13's you dont want to get dissapointed at the track. Suspension and gear ratio is a plus but still with that amount of HP its not likely.

Like I said it's all estimation, I have no clue what I am exactly running, but I was being liberal with the #'s. Also a guy I met last year at the track was running almost the same combo as me right down to the AOD. Only thing different was he had 4.10's, ET streets, and a few suspension mods. He was pulling off 12.9 NA, and 12.4-12.5 on the bottle, so I know its possible.

hmmmmm, well let me know what you run, if its in the 12's with what you have on it now consider me an idiot. mustangs are lighter then most f-bodys by a few hundred pounds so you would deffinetly get a little better ET then me on that scale, plus, do you have slicks on that thing?I hear a good pair of slicks can improve your et by as much as .4 secs

Originally posted by HotRoder


Think about it logicaly, The 98 cobra first off is over rated at 305 when its realy pushin 245-260 at the most RWHP. The 98 SS on the other hand is underated and pushin some where a little over 300 RWHP, now where does this extra HP come from?? It comes from the 1.1 liter more displacement, the difference in the amount of air fuel mixture does make a difference. Now when you have a performance DOHC 32 valve engine the performance cams only have to stay open just a little longer on the intake stroke to let more and more air/fuel mix in, i asume this is what the 4.6 cobra has that makes it a little more original in that it compresses a little more air fuel but still even lags on the 98 LS1 by 15-25 ponys. As for your stang bro dont have such high expectations, 295 RWHP is not gonna get you in the 12's mine pushes that and my ET is in the high 13's you dont want to get dissapointed at the track. Suspension and gear ratio is a plus but still with that amount of HP its not likely.

Mustang Bullitts with far less hp (255rwhp or so) have done 12s.

Oh, and I support my theorum with some examples:

JBVobra ran a 13.3 in a bonestock Bullitt on drag radials. (235 rwhp)
Two guy from IMBOC.com with the same setup save gears, ran 13.1s and lower, with under 260 rwhp.

;)

2002 Mustang Bullit with 5w-20 petroleum oil 225 RWHP with Torco synthetic oil 235 RWHP.


Now like i said before if you put a good pair of slicks on your car your inclined to a max .4's difference and say gears 3:75 add another .3's. This is .7's at the most which is only realy possible with high hp output engines. Take mine with some 285-290 RWHP, i run it in the 13.9's- 13.8s and iam a good racer, 6 speed manual tran. THis would put me around 13.2-13.3's range at the max which is still quite over it seems although possible. that mustang bullit your talking about will usualy run 14.1's through 14.3's stock. subtract .7 and get what 13.4 at the max. So where you get a Stock Bullit doin in 12 secs is oblivious to me. Iam thinking mabey you get lied to alot so id advise you to take a trip down to your local track and find out for your self. one thing that can add to your debate is that most mustangs are fairly light compared to other compeditors such as GM which lowers ET factor

Originally posted by HotRoder
2002 Mustang Bullit with 5w-20 petroleum oil 225 RWHP with Torco synthetic oil 235 RWHP.


Now like i said before if you put a good pair of slicks on your car your inclined to a max .4's difference and say gears 3:75 add another .3's. This is .7's at the most which is only realy possible with high hp output engines. Take mine with some 285-290 RWHP, i run it in the 13.9's- 13.8s and iam a good racer, 6 speed manual tran. THis would put me around 13.2-13.3's range at the max which is still quite over it seems although possible. that mustang bullit your talking about will usualy run 14.1's through 14.3's stock. subtract .7 and get what 13.4 at the max. So where you get a Stock Bullit doin in 12 secs is oblivious to me. Iam thinking mabey you get lied to alot so id advise you to take a trip down to your local track and find out for your self. one thing that can add to your debate is that most mustangs are fairly light compared to other compeditors such as GM which lowers ET factor

I've run consistent 13.9s in my stock bullitt. I've seen JB run the 13.5s-13.6s with only a pair of drag radials. I've seen Arthur and JJRocks run 13.2s and under with only 255+rwhp. Where have I seen these events occur?

HRP last year and FFW @ Ennis. You can look in IMBOC.com

Your Pimpin 2002 or 2001 Mustang Bullit runs 13.9's!!?!?!??!??.My Pimp ass WS6 runs that and 13.8's so i dont understand. I have a ton more horse power bigger wheels a brand new centerforce clutch, K@N, and of course ram air intake and you some how run the same ET time as me??
Well if you say so but id say you have at least a few mods on that thing to keep up with mine and run 13.9s cause even a stock 95 TA with more horse then the bullit runs 14.1's . The only stock mustang ive seen that runs around the same ET as mine is a 99 Cobra which has about the same RWHP. Not to worry though your only actualy down about 45 RWHP compared to the 99 Cobra and the Bullit looks nicer, i like the wheels. What raceway do you go to? Infineon?

Houston Raceway Park.

When I ran at Ennis and San Antonio, the car wasn't running right. The only mod at this point, is a short throw. When I ran my 13.9s, I had a bone stock car.

I dunno know about you or your driving but my friends in their stock SS and Z28, etc, most of them run 13.5s and under.

:smoker:

I dunno. It might be the air.

Yeah a SS should be in the mid to low 13's. This guy I raced in a Z28 ran a 13.4 at 103mph last year on what I think was a stock motor. From what I have seen they suck down low, but pull like a mofo in the upper rpms.

The last time my car had the winning combo (nonrefried clutch with semi transmission action), I was side by side a Z28 with mods til about 70, then he screamed past me.

:eek:

They prove the ricer theorum true.

Crazy horsepower = crazy top

It all depends the 97 WS6 and SS run in the high 13's the 98 and up WS6 and mainly SS are in the mid 13's and lower. I was refering to my 97 WS6 vs 2002 Bullit, I think its great Los can run under 14 seconds , its funny, you must live some where cold, you could set new standards for the mustang, new stats, new 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and even have a real good chance at beating me in a race all untill we hit about 70 mph and then i smoke you, just like the Z, right, so fuc it iam gonna visit the track and set some new stats on the board, ill let you know what i come up with later, this way we can see whos car has the most balls, you too High flow your in my comp range so we will see this summer who runs better ET times, keep in touch.

Its a 2001 and GTs are pulling almost the same numbers here. I don't know where you live. In Oklahoma, I pulled 9.20s on the 1/8th and most of my power is at the top so who knows.

I'll get new numbers in a few weeks.

I ran an SS camaro and an older lt1 Z28 a couple years ago with the 97 cobra vert I had a couple years ago. I out ran both cars, the lt1 ran 14.5s and the SS ran 14.3s or there abouts.. it was my best run of the night and I got a 14.0, with a hard top you could get .3 better(lighter). I'm not saying an ls1 couldn't beat the cobra, all I'm saying is it didn't. The lt1 and ls1 both come with aluminum heads and higher compression than the cobra hence you could add more boost to a cobra... more potential there. I love what GM did with the ls1, the car runs bad ass stock but there are only so many mods you can add to that car without it getting outrageously expensive. Its almost common knowledge that the ls1 shows its strengths after the 1/8th, most cobras and 99+ mustangs will outrun the ls1 to the 1/8th mile mark. What an lt1 will run with a blower is very impressive and not too expensive, considering the hp gains. An ls1 can only run low boost. If the 96-98 cobra had 10.5 compression, like the ls1, instead of 9.85:1 then it would run alot stronger. The lt1 and ls1 cost about $5k more than the mustangs, I've seen 5.0 with aluminum heads, intake and minor mods run low 13s.. thats cheap performance. Don't kid yourself about the ETs, there are guys with stock 5.0s running deep in the 12s.. check out the pure stock class.. suspension means a whole hell of alot!

I run 13.9's and 13.8s with my merely stock LT1 WS6. an Aluminum head is a aluminum head, pro heads with bigger intake valves and better seating along with better rockers, rollers, asociated with a new timing chain and pro cam to allow more compession ratio to ocur would be manditory although on a stock 5.0 still isnt much to run anywhere in the 12's the mid 13's i could see happenen, and you see this is what your cobra already has, a pro cam(better timing, more compression) being the main element for more speed.

Originally posted by HotRoder
although on a stock 5.0 still isnt much to run anywhere in the 12's the mid 13's i could see happenen,

Don't put your money on it. I've seen stock 5.0 Notch's run 13's with easy! It's all in suspension and weight transfer, and is very possiable in a light car, good driver and proper weigh transfer!

Fuck it: Just spray.

;)

New times:

With the new clutch and only an Xpipe and shifter, I did the best of 14.48 @ 99.87.

Damn, that 2.3 60' times are killing me.

:(

Back to the subject....

If you're going to get the V6, make sure you go 98+. The 1994-1997 3.8L blew head gaskets notoriously. In 1998 Ford upgraded the head gaskets, and added a whopping 5hp to the engine. In 1999, they significantly upgraded the engine, adding an additional 43hp, bumping output to 193. The 99+ V-6s are mid 15 cars from the factory when equipped with manual transmissions.

As far as the GT's go, you'll definately pay more for the insurance on them. If your goal is power/reliability, go with the 94-95 5.0s.

The 96-98 GT's T-45 5spd was even more prone to breakage than the T-5 in the 5.0, and the exploding composite intake on the Gen I 4.6L GTs from 96-98 leaves a little to be desired.

Also the 96-98 GT's first tasted the OBD II emissions systems, which makes modification much harder, and their smoother, but less torquey V8 is harder and more expensive to get power out of.

I doubt you're in the market for the Cobra's, but if you are, I'd recommend the 96-98s as they hold potential for easy 12s with basically X pipe, catback, gears, and decent tires.

As far as the Fbody goes, it was killed for a reason. The Mustang was a superior car and GM couldn't sell speed at the sacrifice of quality to most people.

werd.

Nitrous + plastic intake + backfire = 1000000000 tiny intake pieces.

Ford rated the v6 @ 150 hp from 96-98.

Cobra power.

and...

LMAO at the fbody statement.

AMEN to the F-Body statement. Cheap speed, with no quality. Who wants a fast rattle-trap?

Brother in law has a very nice 1997 Trans Am WS6 Ram Air Convertable. Not even 30,000 miles. The door panels are already falling apart, and the body flex is unreal. Just driving down the road the mirrors shake, lol.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Los
[B]Fuck it: Just spray.

;)

New times:

With the new clutch and only an Xpipe and shifter, I did the best of 14.48 @ 99.87.

Damn, that 2.3 60' times are killing me.

Gettin bad 60 ft's eh.....that 14.48 would beat alot of cars on the road thats for sure but not mine, mines runnin 13.8's gonna take it to infineon raceway again soon.......get more mods man. :bloated: (centerforce dual friction, K&N, Exhaust, 3 and a half " by 2" oval exhaust, custom wheels with new z rated tires, chrome rims, soon to come,...new cam with higher duation and lift, roller hydraulic lifters for less wear, rods and i havnt decided what rocker arm ratio i want yet mabey 2:4 and air foil,and later a supercharger, aside from the procharger, this should bring me up 40 horse power or so. As for a rattle trap this car is as clean as they come, all my friends and family love this car so i cant complain. My neibor down the street owns a 68 mustang and realy all it is, is a piece of shit rust bucket :sun: ...:eek: .....i suppose if he put nitrous with new heads and manifold it would kick ass and last a little longer although......such an old car ,not realy equiped with new car standards, lots of problems can occur, caburated engines, ahh , kinda boring and simple, i like fuel injected throtle body concepts like mine and newer mustangs. The old mach one and shelby..treasure....i wouldnt mind ownin a 91 or 92 GT...as a project car on the side, there fast stock and one paxton supercharging unit can give boost up 60% more horse and 40% more torque. i know a place where i can get them cheap in detail with all the parts and intructions..its great. Hey Los practice more and get more mods, get a supercharger with a new cam ;)

I dont see how being superior is being weaker..LOL....its funny,a stock 2002 mustang GT would lose to a Lt1 f-body...i mean come on when will the mustang ever catch up anyway....i raced a 2001 mustang GT a month ago off the line i started counting the car lengths in my rear view mirror 1! 2! 3! 4! 5! 6! and came to the next light..LOL....i love you mustang drivin hotroders. Did you know most of the buyers when it comes to mustangs in America are women..LOL....only probably cause they sell more v6's then GT's, iam sorry but this also proves that TA's are more manly:D :D fuck camaro's my first one nearly killed me, i love the bird is more powerful, has a nicer interior and a better body style. Pontiac all the way and Cadi too :bandit:

Come find me. I'll guarentee you'll lose to me.

;)

Street racing and strip racing are two different things; I'm the king on the streets.

Do you really expect me to believe that your neighbor owns a 1968 Mustang? You only said that because thats my name, and thats what I have. So don't even act like you know anything about classic Mustangs. So how bout you just chill out and stop lying about that Mustang, because unless he took horrible care of that car, it wouldn't rust that bad.

Originally posted by Los
Come find me. I'll guarentee you'll lose to me.

;)

Street racing and strip racing are two different things; I'm the king on the streets.

Yeah what he said!

Like I said before, I've beaten LS1's, so I'm sure I'll have no problem hanging with you. Also 6 car lengths from a LT1 on an 02GT? Hey maybe it's possible, but in this situation, I think it's exaggeration.

My 02 GT hasnt Lost to an F-body yet... And it was mostly stock with the ones I raced. This kid wants a mustang, fine. Dont get anything before a 96 V8 or anything below a 99 V6.

In 95 the GT still had a 5 liter. And before 99 the V6's were rated at 150hp.

You will be reasonably please with a GT (coming from a civic). Headswap it to the PI heads, and some intake exhaust work, and it'll be fine.

My 02 GT hasnt Lost to an F-body yet... And it was mostly stock with the ones I raced. This kid wants a mustang, fine. Dont get anything before a 96 V8 or anything below a 99 V6.

Exactly. Nothing more to be said.

HotRoddin is obviously a troll. Judging by his statements in the Ford forums he knows about 80% less than he thinks, and uses the little that he does know to try and get a rise out of Ford owners.

Just for the record, in case anybody is actually wondering, the LT-1 from the factory is a fairly even match on the street for a 99+ GT, both driven by equal drivers. At the track, expect the 99+GT to take the F body, but with the F body reeling the GT in, again, from the factory. Unfortunately, the GM 350s continue the trend GM has set out there, they lose power about as quickly as RX-7s, and they aren't exactly the most reliable engine around either. The average LT-1 out there right now isn't a worry for those of us with 99 4.6s. They weren't even a concern for me in my mostly stock 87GT.

alot of it depends on the racer, ive seen guys in slower cars take guys in faster cars so its possible. Ive seen a 94 Z28 with minor mods including exhaust and a K&N take a 2000 GT. A stock Z28 can easily match the RWHP rating of the 2000 GT especialy with a few mods, this can put it over and cause the Z to win. I honestly took a 2001 GT off the line. This guy even got a head start of half a car length at take off point when the light turned green and i still honestly beat him by 5 or 6 of them no BS. Mabey i was a better racer but i see this happen all the time!!! Its a fact....that the newer mustang Gt's with out modifications have about as much balls as the 94 LT1...so mod up and shut up. Some insight for ya, my hommie had a 2002 GT with headers, off road x pipe, flows, gears, cold air intake, 58 mm throtle body, Ported MAF with air foil, and also 90 degree throttle wires and he was woopin on LS1's all untill he had to sell it. So i have faith for the stang and belive it or not i used to own one, a 94 mustang V6. I put dual exhaust on it to relive back presure and it helped quite a bit mabey 15 hp. Tell you what...go to your local pontiac dealer and see if they have any 2000 and up WS6's...take one for a test drive.....tell me which car has more balls...yours..or the TA ;) Oh yea its deffinetly a 60's mustang down the street and iam most asured its a 68 or 69, the thing has no balls and looks like it falling apart. i could have smoked him in my 94 mustang v6!! IN fact i remember clearly taking a 60's stang with a beautiful body, it looked like it had been overhauled, anyway i took em in my v6 and he had a v8!!..NO BS.......Tell me what you have on your 68 stang, what is it?? if you have a 351 in it then your rollin if you have a 286 or lower your suckin, mods can change this. Los i would enjoy racing you, tell me where you live and lets race!!!!!!!!!;)

Just for your info HotRodder, people who restore classics, dont USUALLY race them on the street! Mainly because parts on vintage cars are very expensive and sometimes impossible to replace. (ie my 1973 Mustang Mach 1, was in the shop for a full year waiting on parts)

So you prolly took an inline 6 65 Stang... Yay... I know for a fact that a 289Hi-Po would ream you, hard in a V6...

And yes F-bodies have more HP but they are also heavier, thats why they dont brake/handle as well as smaller cars with less power. IE a GT mustang... Let's not forget you cant even buy a new F-body because they dont exist anymore... boo hoo. <-- Sacasm.

:) you make me happy i got rid of the old v6 i now have a v8!! a WS6!! that 2003 cobra you have would take me stock iam sure but for all your other cars i think would get an ass reamin buy my TA...:eek: ....but hey you still have the cobra. Mach 1's are nice i would spend time overhauling one thats for sure if i had the means and time, right now i realy only have time to go to school and work on my own #1 car. Pontiac has the new supercharged GTO commin soon so the power remains with potiac although in 2004 Mustang is commin out wit the new so far 400 Hp concept GT, i personaly like the car alot more than most mustangs. So when you wanna race busta???:D

Stock LS1s, I hope, make over 280 rwhp. That throws it along the 320+ mark for hp on supposed 305hp cars. But cars are never what they appear to be, are they?

94-95: 145hp (v6)
96-98: 150hp (v6)
99: 188hp* (v6)
00-04: 193hp (v6)

Yea to bad they couldn't list the cars actual RWHP rating instead of overall flywheel horsepower. Then we would know are dyno numbers for a stock car.

LT1 WS6
280 RWHP
305 rated flywheel horsepower(underated)

guees power transfer in this vehicle isnt so super great cause i hear its got about 340-345 at the flywheel!!

Power transfer on an Fbody is never great.

;)

Iam having a overheating problem as of a couple days ago, i replaced the thermostat and now iam guessing its either the fan or radiator. my collant was boiling eairler iam so fucikin mad :mad:

Originally posted by HotRoder
Iam having a overheating problem as of a couple days ago, i replaced the thermostat and now iam guessing its either the fan or radiator. my collant was boiling eairler iam so fucikin mad :mad:

Pray it's not a head gasket, cause on a that car it's going to be one big PITA.