supra vs. rx-7 vs. 300zx

wich one would do well on the strip and in the twistes?
also I dont mind geting under the hood to do mods so take that into account aswell

price range sub 25,000

p.s. year dosent mater but pre 1995 would be nice

Well asking this here it will mostly be obvious what'll the outcome will be but it'll be somewhat hard finding a Supra for 25k in a good condition or something that hasnt had the shit raced outta it, the Supra probably has the best potential of power for the 3 but take into consideration of the "twisties" then you'd be better off with the Rex still then ya get the joy of owning a rotary which in some cases you get really luck or really unlucky with the Apex seals and all but really best bet is to to go for a few test drive and see what suits you Hell you might not even want any of them.

thanks anything elss I should Know?

Never buy on an impulse a car is something that should be thought over thouroughly(sp:p) before b/c really who wants to spend a large sum of money on something you never really wanted

Dont even think about the 300ZX, they are POS.
RX7 will handle the best. A Supra will be the most hassle free.
Rotaries arent fragile unless u treat them like shit, service them often and let them warm up and they are fine.

Whats wrong with the 300ZX good power I would say average handling wahts wrong?? The best years for the 300ZX are 94-95 before they took off the variable cam timing causing it a loss of about 20hp. But the 94-95 2 seater hardtop TT models shoudl hang pretty well with these cars. RX-7 one of the most unreliable cars ever because of its rotar engine

Like I said before...gimmee a good inline 6.:D :D :D

7MGTE , 1 or 2JZGTE , or RB26DETT.........:bandit: :bandit: :bandit:

VG30DETT is one of the worst engines ever, no room in the engine bay, very hard to do any upgrades at all and if u havent blown urs up, then u havent driven it very hard then.
I know alot of tuners that refuse to work on them as its a waste of time.

how about this, lets throw in a Nissan Skyline GT-R 34 year 1999. now lets see what u ppl think. the way i see it the supra and the skyline will be pretty close, once they pull away from the rx-7. i have a feeling the RX-7 might be a little quicker off the line, but farther on down, it wont be able to keep up with these two. thats just what i think so dont get mad at my opinion or talk crap to me.

Hate to say it...but the Skyline should be able to rock the Supra , at least off the line......:D
But on a road course , I think the RX7 can hold its own against , if not beat , the Supra ( its lighter in the front ).... The :Nur-edition Skyline would be another story probably.....Those one are badass on auto-X....Even with the extra weight...:bandit:

No suped of piece of jap crap can match the genuine sound of an american v8, especialy my LT1. I'll admit imports can be scary cause you never know what exactly they have in there engines, i had a Vr4 come close but no joint

:flipa:

Originally posted by HotRoder
No suped of piece of jap crap can match the genuine sound of an american v8, especialy my LT1. I'll admit imports can be scary cause you never know what exactly they have in there engines, i had a Vr4 come close but no joint

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ricers don't count.....

Pick on a built Jap sled....you'll eat dust....:finger:

And get with the program...LT1 is old news....LS1 will eat you alive:p

R34 GTR with exhaust, intake and boost (costing around $1000 US all up) doing low 12 to high 11 1/4 miles? How is that a piece of Jap Crap???

Originally posted by phatdex
R34 GTR with exhaust, intake and boost (costing around $1000 US all up) doing low 12 to high 11 1/4 miles? How is that a piece of Jap Crap???

He'll never beleive it till he gets stomped by one:rolleyes:

One good thing about the ricers...they give the "No replacement for displacement" guys a false sense of security...sets them up nicely for the take-down by a real car...:D :D :D :D

Originally posted by Venger10


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ricers don't count.....

Pick on a built Jap sled....you'll eat dust....:finger:

And get with the program...LT1 is old news....LS1 will eat you alive:p

HAHAHA yea my 97 WS6 is old news compared to your 95 avenger, sure, just cause its an LT1 doesnt mean its that old plus its got ram air intake ;) I didnt say i could smoke any and every import out there i simply stated that the LT1 or even 4.6 liter engine (american made) sounds a whole lot more throaty and original then some turbo v6 with pro cams and exhaust mufflers. They are anoying sounding and besides i smoked a VR4 twin turbo in third gear like i smoke a fat bowl. a couple times some fools got close( within a car length of beating me) in some jap crap but no peace pipe. If I ever see you on the road your gonna suck :flipa: hehehehehe :sun: :devil: :devil:

Check it out, how much is a 1996 VR4 with a twin turbo intake and say 40,000 miles? what about 20,000-25,000 or so right. Now take a 98 LS1 with 40,000 miles for $15,000 and match the price knowing the LS1 will tear the VR4 a new one..........ya see why its jap crap...too expensive.
Rather by an engine with lots of displacement and quality at a lower price with a better sound.......the gas miles are not bad on this car (WS6)
and while driving in low rpms you save a ton of gas although why driving hard you waste tons. So by the fact of glory over another the fact remains puttin jap crap to shame the VR4, Supra and Acura Integra
crack em like a chainsaw :finger: :eek:

Originally posted by HotRoder


HAHAHA yea my 97 WS6 is old news compared to your 95 avenger, sure, just cause its an LT1 doesnt mean its that old plus its got ram air intake ;) I didnt say i could smoke any and every import out there i simply stated that the LT1 or even 4.6 liter engine (american made) sounds a whole lot more throaty and original then some turbo v6 with pro cams and exhaust mufflers. They are anoying sounding and besides i smoked a VR4 twin turbo in third gear like i smoke a fat bowl. a couple times some fools got close( within a car length of beating me) in some jap crap but no peace pipe. If I ever see you on the road your gonna suck :flipa: hehehehehe :sun: :devil: :devil:

I need to change vehicle descriptions...the Avenger is old news....:rolleyes: I had a '97 Camaro with the LT1 , I also had an '01 WS6 with the LS1. Those were a while back....
Gotta say the LS1 would whoop ass on the LT1:finger:

YOu played out son:bloated: how ya gonna go from an LT1 and a 01 WS6 to that piece of shit you drive now? get back with the program and get another one. now take a 97 WS6 vs a 98 LS1 without WS6 or SS specifications and you have about the same power although yes 99 and up along with 98 WS6 and SS would beat my car stock. Id still smoke you in the crap box your drivin now :flipa: :eek:

PS: get another LS1

Originally posted by HotRoder
YOu played out son:bloated: how ya gonna go from an LT1 and a 01 WS6 to that piece of shit you drive now? get back with the program and get another one. now take a 97 WS6 vs a 98 LS1 without WS6 or SS specifications and you have about the same power although yes 99 and up along with 98 WS6 and SS would beat my car stock. Id still smoke you in the crap box your drivin now :flipa: :eek:

PS: get another LS1

I WILL:finger: ....Its just not in the budget right now.......:(

Like I said , the Avenger was old news , I'm driving a Galant right now..

5-spd , AWD , it just needs a turbo... actually I wanna sell it and get a crotch rocket....:D

I'd eat you for breakfast , lunch , and twice for dinner........:flipa:

E]Originally posted by Venger10


I WILL:finger: ....Its just not in the budget right now.......:(

Like I said , the Avenger was old news , I'm driving a Galant right now..

5-spd , AWD , it just needs a turbo... actually I wanna sell it and get a crotch rocket....:D

I'd eat you for breakfast , lunch , and twice for dinner........:flipa: [/QUOTE

:frog: youd eat dirt!! what happens when you get to close to me and go flyin.....:eek: ...........car vs car only, HA id smoke your Galant even with the turbo better get a twin.......:eek: .........planin on throwin a new MAF throtle body Sports Cam, roller rockers, headers, quad exhaust, new springs, timing chain, fule pump, spark plugs, mabey new pro piston rings, ect ect ect, :eek: ....:flipa:......gettin scared?? :sun: but all in all dude you have got to go back to the F-body Finance if you have to cause otherwise ill smoke you like last nights chicken :D

Wassa matta little boy?? Got that badass car and you afraid of a little ole street bike??:finger: :finger: :finger:

So what you sayin'? you gonna run me off the road??Thats a pussies way out....

I'll run circles around you so fast it'll make ya head spin....:rolleyes: :flipa:

Originally posted by Venger10
Wassa matta little boy?? Got that badass car and you afraid of a little ole street bike??:finger: :finger: :finger:

So what you sayin'? you gonna run me off the road??Thats a pussies way out....

I'll run circles around you so fast it'll make ya head spin....:rolleyes: :flipa:

Me affaid of a little scooter monkey, LOLOL! , not likely son, although my friends susuki can do 0-60 in 4 seconds which is faster then most cars including mine and of course your piece of shit galant which is slower then most cars :finger: :eek: if anything it would be your dumb ass clipin my car that would send you flyin of your little scooter not me, it wouldnt be that personal to me just a race, and when you think about it if that actualy happend to you,..you would be the one goin out like a pussy :eek: :finger: :finger: :finger:....... I plan on getting a bike, when are you gonna get yours son?? dont foget the training wheels :silly2: :eek:

I have a 1993 Supra TT and a 1991 300zx TT. They are both great cars but the Supra is better overall. The RX7 on the other hand is a real big pain in the ass. My friend has one and has nothing but problems with it and the car has really been taken care of its a 1994 with 32k miles. My Supra has 9k miles on it and my 300zx has 75k miles.

Most of the RX7's problem can be cured with a proper engine rebuild , and some decent aftermarket exhaust parts....:alien:

Rotary engines kick ass, there the only imports i realy admire, the Rx7's.
the Rpm potential is an ass kicker :flash: if you are talking about casual problems let me know and i can tell you what i think, remeber rebuilding your engine is not manditory unless you intend on puting nitrous and or tubo(s)or have to take parts to the machine shop. :bandit:

VR4 is one of the gayest cars ever, u cant compare all jap cars to that, compare ur cars to an EVo, GTR or Supra and u will get caned.

I like them all but i'd sat probbly the FC 7 with the mk4 supra a close second.

Originally posted by HotRoder
Rotary engines kick ass, there the only imports i realy admire, the Rx7's.
the Rpm potential is an ass kicker :flash: if you are talking about casual problems let me know and i can tell you what i think, remeber rebuilding your engine is not manditory unless you intend on puting nitrous and or tubo(s)or have to take parts to the machine shop. :bandit:

Gotta replace the apex seals if ya wanna throw some good boost at it tho....the stock ones are like tissue paper...:( The engine itself is pretty bullet-proof...only 3 moving parts...:D :D

I think my next car will be a 1 or 2G RX7......the last ones are a bit out of my range yet still..:(

*drolls* umm booost yea the wankels are great i don't mind the fact you gotta replace seals for loads of boost cause you have to completly build motor with any piston car you know? I'm hoping to get a 2nd gen 7 in a year or so can't wait!

Originally posted by Ace$nyper
*drolls* umm booost yea the wankels are great i don't mind the fact you gotta replace seals for loads of boost cause you have to completly build motor with any piston car you know? I'm hoping to get a 2nd gen 7 in a year or so can't wait!

Not entirely true........
The stock engines in most turbo cars can generally handle about 4X's the stock output before any mods are required.
I've seen 2JZ Supra engines with 900 on the dyno....on the stock internals:cool: . Same with the 4G63 (Mitsubishi). Subaru's EJ20 can handle about 400 Hp stock.
Can't do that to a rotary , at least not all stock.:mad:

Originally posted by Venger10


Gotta replace the apex seals if ya wanna throw some good boost at it tho....the stock ones are like tissue paper...:( The engine itself is pretty bullet-proof...only 3 moving parts...:D :D

I think my next car will be a 1 or 2G RX7......the last ones are a bit out of my range yet still..:(

All u guys that talk about rotors and have never owned one have no idea.
Stock 13B's are fine to get 5-600RWHP out of them, just need to upgrade the fuel systems well.
I blew my engine and rebuilt it with the stock seals, all I did was ported it and dowelled it. There is not much u can do to upgrade a rotary engine. 3mm seals arent worth it as they dont flex and seal as well.
I only had 300RWHP, but I could have easily put a new turbo on, upgraded the fuel system and had 600RWHP.
Basically the only diff between a stock engine and a 600hp engine in the rotary world is the size of the turbo.

I thank the RX-7 would be best because around here the most exspincive RX-7 was about 1,500,and it was turbo.


For the price and everything else those RX-7's are realy good cars to start out with.

:)

Originally posted by phatdex


All u guys that talk about rotors and have never owned one have no idea.
Stock 13B's are fine to get 5-600RWHP out of them, just need to upgrade the fuel systems well.
I blew my engine and rebuilt it with the stock seals, all I did was ported it and dowelled it. There is not much u can do to upgrade a rotary engine. 3mm seals arent worth it as they dont flex and seal as well.
I only had 300RWHP, but I could have easily put a new turbo on, upgraded the fuel system and had 600RWHP.
Basically the only diff between a stock engine and a 600hp engine in the rotary world is the size of the turbo.

I had a 1st gen RX7...'84 with the 12a.. Loved that car to death. I'm looking for another one.1st or 2nd gen. Don't even care if its turbo or not..I'm assumings its not as difficult to put a turbo on an NT rotary , like it is on a piston engine.:confused:

Easier just to throw a 13B turbo in, pretty cheap and will fit easily.
It is easier to do than a piston engine but its still prob better to put the original turbo engine in.
In ur 12A u will prob need to put 12A turbo rotors in it for lower compression.

Originally posted by phatdex
Easier just to throw a 13B turbo in, pretty cheap and will fit easily.
It is easier to do than a piston engine but its still prob better to put the original turbo engine in.
In ur 12A u will prob need to put 12A turbo rotors in it for lower compression.

I'd love a 13B............or maybe even a Renesis......:frog: with a low psi turbo on it...:D :D :D :D

Originally posted by HotRoder
Rotary engines kick ass, there the only imports i realy admire, the Rx7's.
the Rpm potential is an ass kicker :flash: if you are talking about casual problems let me know and i can tell you what i think, remeber rebuilding your engine is not manditory unless you intend on puting nitrous and or tubo(s)or have to take parts to the machine shop. :bandit:
and i thought i'd disagree with everything you said, dissin the imports. yes, i admire rx-7s too. rotaries are definately a replacement for displacement. try a 20b tt with 400+ hp and ft lbs of torque, and all with only a 2.6 L engine. but i would still give credit to the supras and skylines (imo the only other worthy jap cars) because like the 7, you see great power increase with only minor modifications, and also because most of the mk IV supras and fd rx-7s you'll see on the road will outperform your car with only limited modifications.

U mean a 2L engine.

yeah i meant 2 L, thanks. i guess i was thinking of a 4-rotor.

2G RX-7 all the way!:rolleyes:

My opinion is obviously a little biased towards the Supra :D One legitimate factor is that $25K will get you into one of the nicer '93-'95 RX7's out there with some change left over for mods. $25K in an MKIV Supra would be entry level, especially for a 6-speed.

Good luck shopping!

Originally posted by VIPimports.com
My opinion is obviously a little biased towards the Supra :D One legitimate factor is that $25K will get you into one of the nicer '93-'95 RX7's out there with some change left over for mods. $25K in an MKIV Supra would be entry level, especially for a 6-speed.

Good luck shopping!

$25K Mk4 Supra? I didn't think those existed yet. Certainly not for another 10 yrs. Unless you are talking "Entry" level as being the NT ones.......:mad:

Originally posted by Venger10


$25K Mk4 Supra? I didn't think those existed yet. Certainly not for another 10 yrs. Unless you are talking "Entry" level as being the NT ones.......:mad:

Well actually you can get a decent '93-'95 TT with 60K mile and up for starting at $25K, but it takes some patience to find one that has not been thrashed. Out of 25 Supras we sold last year, only 2 sold for $25K, all the rest sold for in 30's and up.

It is not impossible though.

Don't get an Rx-7 whatever you do cause they have rotary engines and they lock up. They are not great engines at all ... now if you took the rotary engine out then yeah .. but otherwise, no.:dogpile:

U have no idea.

Originally posted by IbSaxyGuy14
Don't get an Rx-7 whatever you do cause they have rotary engines and they lock up. They are not great engines at all ... now if you took the rotary engine out then yeah .. but otherwise, no.:dogpile:
ignorance. not great engines? yeah, that's why the '93 rx-7 won import of the year over the supra and 300zx. why don't you tell us why rotaries are no good. i bet you don't have one good reason.

:loser:

oh yeah guys? what if i threw my 91 eclipse into the picture? 1.8L, fwd, about 100 horse...tops. WOO talk about slow! im embarassed to drive it. im waitin til i turn my celica into a supra. then we'll see whats up.

Ok, if you are going to buy a car for the twisies, go with the 3rd gen. RX7. This car has the perfect 50/50 weight distribution which is obviously ideal for handling. The Supra has the most potential for top-end speed, and can be made a good handling car, but the RX7 has exceptional handling stock. The 300ZX will handle fairly well too, but for me, this car is a bit of a land yacht. Also, the TT version of the 300ZX has non-sequential turbos, which for me isn't a very cool thing. So, I say go for the RX-7.

As far as Hotroder goes, where do you get off calling all of these cars Jap Crap? I have a friend with a newer SS Camaro with the LS1 engine in it, not sure what year because I really don't care. Anyway, I also have a friend with a 2003 WRX. Well, the guy with the SS wanted to race my friend with the WRX. The SS had full exhaust, underdrive pulleys, and a few other bolt-ons. The WRX was BPU'd. Anyway, they decided to race. The WRX pulled about 2 cars on the SS from a stop. Then, they went on the highway, from a 40 roll, the WRX walked the Camaro by 2 cars again, despite the fact that during the race the intercooler piping was coming off. So as far as Jap Crap goes, I think you need to shut your mouth because you don't know what you are talking about. Oh, I guess your main problem with them is that you don't like the way they sound, have you ever heard a WRX with turbo-back exhaust and HKS Carbon Fiber and titanium muffler??? Obviously not, and I bet anyone that has will agree that the car sounds amazing.

Shit, you think all import cars are crap huh, I just bought an RX7 for 300 dollars, and I am going to spend a total of about $4,000 to get the car running the way I want to, once I get done with it, maybe you might want to come find me so I can show you how big of a piece of Jap Crap that I have...I live in the Atlanta area, so if you do too, let me know.

wowww shows how much most people know...

whether you mind or dont mind replacing the seals on your rotaries isn't the issue... the issue with them is that they only go20% of the time they're expected to, which means you'd replace 'em in time. otherwise they just go while you're screaming down the track or highway.

ill give you a rundown of what exactly happens when this happens.

when a seal breaks, the compressed air and gas will leak into another chamber thats taking in air which means is has access to the fuel rail and fuel supply. So, what this means is when that spark plug fires it'll ignight whats supposed to be burned and the preceeding chamber, which means it'll get burned up to the fuel pump and all that.

maybe you've noticed ebay or salvage sites, that half the salvage titles are from ENGINE fires.

the RX-7's are not jut any old cars. they require frequent oil changes, and unlike piston engines you cannot get away with not letting the car warm up or overrevs.

they're GREAT cars if you know them and have done your homework on them... otherwise you'll end up with the other poor saps who wind up with an engineless car.

also.... theres no way that lt1 beat a mistubishi twin turbo.... those things fucking fly. and theres no way, unless you're already at 10 seconds, you touched it in third gear (manual i hope you were talking). now, if it were an SL, especially an automoatic, which most of them are, you probly ripped it a new one. but i've been with my bud inhis VR-4, and we made it from Old bridge to elizabeth, NJ, in about 10 minutes... this is NORMALLY a 45 minutes, no traffic or hour-hour +1/2 in rush hour traffic, and it was 3:30 about when traffic was picking up.

dont get me wrong. i love cars. my fantasy garage would be a two car with one427ci equipped car on one side and an R33 or MK2 MR2 turbo or NSX on the other, but i'm calling major bullshit on what you rice flamer domestic car fans in here are laying claim to

:confused: I personally don't see whats so hard to believe about an lt1 beating a VR-4. sure the vr-4 is fast off the line but after that they slow down tremendously. the top end isn't exactly spectacular. last time I looked the vr-4 was a 14 sec car.

Originally posted by ttspool
:confused: I personally don't see whats so hard to believe about an lt1 beating a VR-4. sure the vr-4 is fast off the line but after that they slow down tremendously. the top end isn't exactly spectacular. last time I looked the vr-4 was a 14 sec car.

Try 13.5 and the Stealth is a few ticks faster. The top end won't run with an LS1 but it'll stay with an lt1. As for hard to believe - no its not. The cars are close enough that the dirver makes the difference.

supra's kill all!

Originally posted by EVO 03
supra's kill all! :banhim:

Originally posted by EVO 03
supra's kill all!
maybe on the straightaway, but not in the turns.

I love my 300ZX TT , even though it is a little cramped to work on there is bearly anything that goes wrong. The stock 300ZX SMZ comes with 365hp stock. I beat the shit out of this car everyday on the way to work and especialy on the way back. But im thinkin of sellin it all and buying a 240Z and puttin a Chevy V8 in it, and wile Im at it a widebody kit with nice wire wheels on it. I am never going to buy another non-nissan/datsun again. I've done alot with nissans, theres so much mods available for them. I have also owned a 240SX with an SR20DET, I had also beat the shit out of that car and it kept on going with no problems, its pretty quick because its light and the SR20DET also responds well to mods (The original KA24 responded better and i recomend turboing that insetead of doing the SR swap). But it you do decide the get an RX7 get a 1990 or 1991, they are very reliable, very quick and they have airbags. Any newer RX7 will give most people problems. I've raced supras and won but I rarely see them. I dont even like the way they look, but if you like it thats a good car too. Chances are you wont find a 300ZX smz because they are what i hear very rare. 300ZX twin turbo's are not that uncommon and dont cost alot to get to 400hp. Whowever says there unreliable should be shot, come on its a nissan. The Z is apart of japanese racing history and is widley recognized as a great car all around. It was on car and drivers top 10 from 1990-1996 and that was all the years that the Z32 came out, in the US anyway. Go to

www.carsurvey.org - see what other people say about there cars

www.zcarparts.com - very wide variety of Z parts, if you get one this is the place to buy your aftermarket products.

If you dont mind only having two seats, have you considered a MkII MR2? very similar to the FD RX-7's in performance... the differences maybe being that the MR2 maybe a lil on the slower side stock.... the 3S-GTE takes modifications fairly well, and it too has a close 50/50 weight distrabution(Being a midengined car also helps for the twisties)... and a pretty decent MR2 Turbo.. like a 1995 with 80K mi would go for around 11k.. heh dont quote me on that, but that seems to be what it's goin for around here... if you can find em.

Ok, I don't know if anyone still looks at this thread seeing as the last entry was almost three months ago, but I'm gonna post this anyway.

I've always wanted an Rx7 over all the other mid-nineties hotrods.........even though I've read about all the problems they've had........now, I have an '86 Audi Coupe GT, and y'all probably can't help me 'cause you're all Jap knowledgeables.........but I was wondering if it was just worth it to keep my Audi with all of the crap that I need to fix on it or if I should think about trying to sell it and look for an Rx7? ANY advise would be welcome........thanks.

Typing this in a seperate window as I read the posts in order....easier this way.

First off...Phatdex...you're an idiot. There are many mods you can do on these cars and They are very fast, reliable, and comfortable right from the beginning. It's one of the best engines ever built. If you blow one up, you have some REALLY SERIOUS issues.

Hotroder...don't even need to say anything to you....you're banned....what an idiot.

Hell yea, Venger10

$20-25000 VR4? What the hell?!?
What is your infatuation with SOUND!?!? Who CARES?!?! Besides...the V-6 doesn't sound like a civic mosquito like you're thinking of. Stoner.

You're my idol, [AK]Zip. I think I've talked to you before about how much I would kill to have your garage....don't you have a Z06 now, too?

And I no longer have to say anything else cuz ShinRekka just said it all for me. I love you... And I would KILL for an SMZ.........**drool**