GSR or LS?

What kind of Integ should i get? a GSR or an LS? i've heard many sides. Like an LS can get ls/vtec and ls is better for turbo becuz it has better compression ratios and is cheaper insurance, but i dunno. I wanna hear from the Experts! so what do you guys think?

If I were you I would definetely go with the Gs-R. I have a Gs-R and an LS and I cannot say Ive been disappointed with the gsr. the vtec is really nice to have. as for the turbo...the ls would be better becuase of the compression ratio but its all preference. You can make any car fast but if you can find a nice gs-r go with that!

if ur basing it on turbo...then still get the gsr. jus get lower compression pistons an build the interals a lil (which u'd have to do w/ the ls any ways if u wanna run any higher then 6-7psi SAFELY) an there u go. the ls isn't too far behind a gsr really...but if u have the option, get the VTEC. even my frien w/ an ls that beats me til 3rd gear (then he hits a wall) wishes he'd have gotten a gsr. VTEC isn't the answer to everything...but outta the box, it helps.

takes a lot of mods for an ls to beat a gs-r, and u have a fair amount of mods yourself.. what did he have? and what do you mean 'hit a wall'? did he crash?

he has i/h/e an a couple other things he won't tell me about. :hehehe: as for "hitting a wall" i mean...his 3rd has no pull compared to his 1st an 2nd...cuz he'll pull me through the 1st two gears...an then 3rd...i pull past him like he's not moving.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
he has i/h/e an a couple other things he won't tell me about. :hehehe: as for "hitting a wall" i mean...his 3rd has no pull compared to his 1st an 2nd...cuz he'll pull me through the 1st two gears...an then 3rd...i pull past him like he's not moving.

This is b/c of 1st and 2nd gears are the same in a gsr and ls 1st=3.230, 2nd=1.900 but 3rd in a ls=1.269 and gsr=1.360 and 4th ls=.966 and gsr=1.034 and then the final drive also comes into play ls has 4.266 final drive and gsr has a 4.40 final drive, so with the same hp the gsr will still win in a drag race, but on the hwy at high speeds the ls will pull on the gsr.

Originally posted by whtteg


This is b/c of 1st and 2nd gears are the same in a gsr and ls 1st=3.230, 2nd=1.900 but 3rd in a ls=1.269 and gsr=1.360 and 4th ls=.966 and gsr=1.034 and then the final drive also comes into play ls has 4.266 final drive and gsr has a 4.40 final drive, so with the same hp the gsr will still win in a drag race, but on the hwy at high speeds the ls will pull on the gsr.

::nods:: thas wut i said...jus...er...in less words :D

You can run 12 PSI on a stock LS if properly tuned, 6-8 on a B18C1 engine. If you had both an LS and a GSR completely stock and turboed them, the LS would win for 2 reasons -
first the B18B1 can be boosted more to make up the 30 HP it gives up to the B18C1
And second the LS tranny has longer gearing which is better for turbo apps.

Originally posted by PWMAN
You can run 12 PSI on a stock LS if properly tuned, 6-8 on a B18C1 engine. If you had both an LS and a GSR completely stock and turboed them, the LS would win for 2 reasons -
first the B18B1 can be boosted more to make up the 30 HP it gives up to the B18C1
And second the LS tranny has longer gearing which is better for turbo apps.

Care to explain why longer gears are better for turbo, I don't really understand the concept, just a wee-bit but not fully.

I'm no turbo expert but I've seen turbo LS's doin 160 hp to the wheels, which is 10 more than a gsr, same turbo on a gsr would probably make it 210 WHP, bit I don't know much about turbos' so I could be very wrong, Ijust think if the turbo will give the B18b power, it'll give the B18c1 MORE power.

Originally posted by integra818


Care to explain why longer gears are better for turbo, I don't really understand the concept, just a wee-bit but not fully.

I'm no turbo expert but I've seen turbo LS's doin 160 hp to the wheels, which is 10 more than a gsr, same turbo on a gsr would probably make it 210 WHP, bit I don't know much about turbos' so I could be very wrong, Ijust think if the turbo will give the B18b power, it'll give the B18c1 MORE power.

When you start making alot more hp than stock the shorter gear ratio will slow you down, You need longer gears to use the hp more efficently. As for the turbo making more power on a gsr the gsr's compression ratio is higher therefore you cannot run as much boost safely, so 8psi is the most for a gsr daily driver safely and 12psi is the safe daily driver amount for the LS than you gain more than 30hp with 4psi more of boost. And as far as 160hp to the wheels on a LS turbo car I think that number might be a little low.

Originally posted by whtteg


As for the turbo making more power on a gsr the gsr's compression ratio is higher therefore you cannot run as much boost safely, so 8psi is the most for a gsr daily driver safely and 12psi is the safe daily driver amount for the LS than you gain more than 30hp with 4psi more of boost.

Tht's why you change the pistons on a GSR, a GSR with the same compression ratio as the LS should make the gsr more powerful with the turbo. I could be wrong though, becacuse I'm not really into turbos, more of an all-motor guy :p

Originally posted by integra818


Tht's why you change the pistons on a GSR, a GSR with the same compression ratio as the LS should make the gsr more powerful with the turbo. I could be wrong though, becacuse I'm not really into turbos, more of an all-motor guy :p

Thats true but that is another thousand dollars you have to invest cuz you would replace the rods also to run more boost.

And thanks WHTTEG for explaining that for me, but i'd like to add a little as far as the gears go. A LS's longer gearing allows you to stay in the gear longer and let the turbo spool longer. In a GSR you shift quick and don't allow the turbo to spool and make more power for you.

the higher compression in the gsr is one of the things that makes it have more power, not only that, but it affects it a bit, but if you were to lower the compression on the GSR to the same as the LS, then you would get more power out of the GSR IMO, but the cheap insurance is always good, and in the money you save over buying a GSR, you could probably get your LS to at least keep up with one.

Behh, the hell with turbos, I'm goin back to all-motor :D

I have also heard that on a gsr you have to have adj cam gears b/c the valve overlap is too much and you lose some boost out the exhaust valve. I myself don't know this to be true or false but I have heard it a few times. I have also heard that the stock B18B1 cams are great for turbo apps vs the B18C1's cams. But I myself don't know that to be 100% accurate.

Originally posted by whtteg
I have also heard that on a gsr you have to have adj cam gears b/c the valve overlap is too much and you lose some boost out the exhaust valve. I myself don't know this to be true or false but I have heard it a few times. I have also heard that the stock B18B1 cams are great for turbo apps vs the B18C1's cams. But I myself don't know that to be 100% accurate.

For the most part thats true. An easy camswap on a B18B1 will yield 30 HP on a turbo car with non-aggressive cams. VTEC is good for all-motor apps, that why people who drag don't use it.

go with a GSr!! ls/vtec is not reliable

Originally posted by 98gsr619
go with a GSr!! ls/vtec is not reliable

Umm, who ever said to make it a VTEC? Keep the LS head.
Like said before, the GSR cams are not as good for turbo. VTEC is not necessary to go fast!!! Maybe for all-motors, but not for turbo apps.

Originally posted by PWMAN


Umm, who ever said to make it a VTEC? Keep the LS head.
Like said before, the GSR cams are not as good for turbo. VTEC is not necessary to go fast!!! Maybe for all-motors, but not for turbo apps.

word...:o

Originally posted by PWMAN


Umm, who ever said to make it a VTEC? Keep the LS head.
Like said before, the GSR cams are not as good for turbo. VTEC is not necessary to go fast!!! Maybe for all-motors, but not for turbo apps.

You're absolutly right..........VTEC or boost is necessary to make an LS fast. :lol2: j/k

I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

Originally posted by hcivicron95
I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

ok ok...1st off..yes, us "fools" do understand. read wut ppl are saying before u make blind-comments. THEY ARE SAYING THE LS IS BETTER FOR TURBO BECAUSE OF THE LOWER C/R. when did we even say it wasn't? an as for the gsr having too high of c/r to turbo...:hehehe: u really are a newb. u can turbo it, an ppl DO turbo it, u jus CANNOT TURN UP THE BOOST VERY HIGH. im not saying the gsr is better for turbo applications, because i do believe the ls is a much better motor to tune that way.

u want to act like ur some kno all bout cars...well 1st off..b18c1 pushes 170hp from the box, an if ppl w/ b18c's in a hatch can only run 14.5 stock, they need to learn how to drive.

wut all did u have on ur car when u dyno'd 142 to the wheels? more then jus i/h/e cuz if u say that, i'll call bs rite now. so wut all did u have? cuz w/ i/h/e u'd have 150 TO THE CRANK an more like 115-120 to the wheels.

once again, im not saying the b18c is the best motor at all. simply filling in all the mistakes U made in ur post.

one last thing...bro had a b16a4 in his hatch w/ a jrsc, an ooo...wut happened? NOTHING. it all depends on the boost ur running...

so in conclusing all us "fools" understand a LOT better then u...:rolleyes:

if a turboed LS can produce more boost than a turboed GSR, then who would win in a race between the two? and what kind of turbo do you guys recommend?

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


ok ok...1st off..yes, us "fools" do understand. read wut ppl are saying before u make blind-comments. THEY ARE SAYING THE LS IS BETTER FOR TURBO BECAUSE OF THE LOWER C/R. when did we even say it wasn't? an as for the gsr having too high of c/r to turbo...:hehehe: u really are a newb. u can turbo it, an ppl DO turbo it, u jus CANNOT TURN UP THE BOOST VERY HIGH. im not saying the gsr is better for turbo applications, because i do believe the ls is a much better motor to tune that way.

u want to act like ur some kno all bout cars...well 1st off..b18c1 pushes 170hp from the box, an if ppl w/ b18c's in a hatch can only run 14.5 stock, they need to learn how to drive.

wut all did u have on ur car when u dyno'd 142 to the wheels? more then jus i/h/e cuz if u say that, i'll call bs rite now. so wut all did u have? cuz w/ i/h/e u'd have 150 TO THE CRANK an more like 115-120 to the wheels.

once again, im not saying the b18c is the best motor at all. simply filling in all the mistakes U made in ur post.

one last thing...bro had a b16a4 in his hatch w/ a jrsc, an ooo...wut happened? NOTHING. it all depends on the boost ur running...

so in conclusing all us "fools" understand a LOT better then u...:rolleyes:

im not calling everyone a fool nor should i call anyone a fool, sorry, so lets get that strait right now, and evidently you didnt read every post in this thread so i suggest you go back and reread, because there are people who are disagreing with some of the things ive mentioned. I did say my car with only i/h/e on a stock Ls motor pushed 142 to the wheels, and if you happend to be in daytona during the tuner bash you would have seen it. So enough about that.. You are however right you may boost a b16 or gsr without messing up anything, but im saying you can boost a ls higher that all. 6-7 psi b16 ....12 psi tops on the ls. all in all people do not understand the strength of the ls motors/trannys. If anyone here is on club-si.com there is a guy on there with a 418 hp civic , he uses an ls tranny just for example. I think its mainly that im getting tired of seeing false statments about the ls motors and what the can and cannot handle.

Originally posted by IntegRocket32
if a turboed LS can produce more boost than a turboed GSR, then who would win in a race between the two? and what kind of turbo do you guys recommend?

Well if the drivers are equal and both cars are boosting 8psi than the gsr will probably beat the LS but not by much at all. But if you turn the boost to 12psi on the LS which is attainable on stock internals than the LS will beat the GSR.

Oringinally posted by hcivicron95
I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

The GSR can and has been boosted just fine. But to make use of a turbo to the extent you can with an LS then you will have to change a couple of things like Cams, and pistons. Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!

Originally posted by whtteg


The GSR can and has been boosted just fine. But to make use of a turbo to the extent you can with an LS then you will have to change a couple of things like Cams, and pistons. Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!

omg , did i not just say this?? ...where did this come from may i ask...."Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!" ???????????????????? What are you talking about? I didnt say you cant boost a gsr. do you not know how to read before you post yourself? and where did my friend end up in this? the turbo with thier high cr (thier stock pistons) did not hold up to about 10 psi. I was trying to explain why you guys are wrong when it comes to a 9.2.1 cr car handling the power that your high cr b16s cant. Everyone keeps saying you need to swap out pistons in an ls when you really dont , unlike the b16 when you should when going for a higher boost aplication. thats the only point im trying to make.

Originally posted by hcivicron95


omg , did i not just say this?? ...where did this come from may i ask...."Do some research before you post things which you don't seem to know enough about and that you are basing on something that happened to a friend who might have got a little too happy with the boost or didn't keep up with t he maintance or didn't put the kit on and tune it properly!" ???????????????????? What are you talking about? I didnt say you cant boost a gsr. do you not know how to read before you post yourself? and where did my friend end up in this? the turbo with thier high cr (thier stock pistons) did not hold up to about 10 psi. I was trying to explain why you guys are wrong when it comes to a 9.2.1 cr car handling the power that your high cr b16s cant. Everyone keeps saying you need to swap out pistons in an ls when you really dont , unlike the b16 when you should when going for a higher boost aplication. thats the only point im trying to make.

I was typing my reply right before you and yours got posted before mine the one right before my post was not on the screen when I replied, and who do you thunk you are anyway?

Originally posted by hcivicron95
I agree with some of you and the others are just way off track about the b18b1/a1...Truthfully ive seen gsr hatches running what? 14.5s ect. cmon thats sad when i take my Ls hatch to the track fully stock with only i/h/e and run a 14.7 ! Making up the hp to run with the gsr is nothing yall. Took the car to the dyno and it did 142 to the wheels!! whats the gsr do stock?? pretty much the same thing! they have what 160 at the fly? cmon... Now for turboing the ls, i just took my car 4 weeks ago to order everything and have it turboed at a local and reputable shop in orlando. I told him i wanted to be turboed and he asked, "what hp you want and ill make it" I said "250+" he said "easy" and know what? it will all be on stock internals. my friends turboed ser has je pistons 9.5.1 cr ...the ls 9.2.1 stock, going turboed on the ls dont mean you need to change out your pistons. and for the people who say gsr/b16 pistons are fine when turboing are wrong and will find out, i have 2 buddies with the b16 00' civic si one s/c vortec and one greddy turbo, yes they both blew there 3rd piston up! why ? 10.4.1 cr ! the gsrs cr is 10.0.1 ...for boost aplications you want the lower cr , dont you fools understand? that it the reason why you change your pistons! i could keep on going but i wont.

I didnt want to do this but since you all dont read the whole thread before you go sending remarks about what ive wrote then so be it....

90gs- takes a lot of mods for an ls to beat a gs-r, and u have a fair amount of mods yourself..

90gs's post is the reason why i explained how easy it is to make a ls run the same times as a gsr with few mods!

i do agree with wttegs posts answering integra818's previous post and i also agree with pwman he actually knows wtf he is talking about too and with thier conversation on cr's and reliabilty i added the fact that the reason you have to change pistons in the gsr/b16 is because the cr higher than the b18b1/a1 and that is the reason you can saftly boost higher on the ls motor than the others.

main reason like i said for posting this is because over the past month people have been telling me before i go turbo ill need to change my pistons for 9psi because it wont handle it and that 6-7 psi i would be able to handle. im sick of hearing these dumb comments and am just trying to explain why its safer on these motors than the vtec motors.

do you understand know???

the only part of my first post i was wrong about was calling people fools for not knowing this. everything else was thought out and educatedly composed.

but if u read wut we say, we say that u jus need lower compression pistons for the gsr. yes, i said that u should for the ls also, but im talkin if ur going to turn the boost WAY up, an strengthening the internals isn't going to hurt anything.

im sorri, but ur commenting on how much others kno, but all u are doing is repeating everything that we've already said. yes, we kno the ls can take more boost stock vs stock, an its lower c/r makes it so u can run 10-12psi safely compared to the gsr/si.

as for ls's runnin the same times w/ the same mod's as a gsr...uh...nope. guy w/ MORE modifications on his ls an w/ a lil better driver then me, CANNOT beat me. that part of ur arguement is pointless. don't act like the b18b motor's are something else an can put the same hp to the wheels as their stock rating from jus i/h/e. if so, i wanna see dyno results w/ a list of ur mod's on the dyno sheet itself, cuz that is BS. im not bashing on ls's (once again, they ARE better for turbo), but i am saying that w/ simple bolts, they are not equal motors. even ask whtteg. he wishes he had vtec sometimes...he'd be into the 13's already his mod's on a b18c1.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
but if u read wut we say, we say that u jus need lower compression pistons for the gsr. yes, i said that u should for the ls also, but im talkin if ur going to turn the boost WAY up, an strengthening the internals isn't going to hurt anything.

im sorri, but ur commenting on how much others kno, but all u are doing is repeating everything that we've already said. yes, we kno the ls can take more boost stock vs stock, an its lower c/r makes it so u can run 10-12psi safely compared to the gsr/si.

as for ls's runnin the same times w/ the same mod's as a gsr...uh...nope. guy w/ MORE modifications on his ls an w/ a lil better driver then me, CANNOT beat me. that part of ur arguement is pointless. don't act like the b18b motor's are something else an can put the same hp to the wheels as their stock rating from jus i/h/e. if so, i wanna see dyno results w/ a list of ur mod's on the dyno sheet itself, cuz that is BS. im not bashing on ls's (once again, they ARE better for turbo), but i am saying that w/ simple bolts, they are not equal motors. even ask whtteg. he wishes he had vtec sometimes...he'd be into the 13's already his mod's on a b18c1.

why are you still trying to argue? i made my point clear, we can go all day about this and that. Im definatly sure everyone knows you can lower the gsr's or any engines cr by swapping out the pistons. And once again i didnt comment on how much others know I was just stating facts that you have not already said. And my point of the agrument where im trying make a point about the ls and gsr's hp is true, I never said the gsr had any modifications at all, Im just saying its not hard to put mods on a ls and have the same hp figures and track times as the vtec motor stock. You can disagree with me all day and want "dyno" sheets ect. and if i had a scanner id scan it but i dont so get over it and besides the numbers on it were,

Run 1 hp 139.9 tq 118.1
Run 2 hp 142.7 tq 121.6

and yes its the ls with only i/h/e. If your going to come back bashing on what ive said again you will be wasting your time, because there is nothing more to agrue about this thread now had nothing but facts. no bs

just wanted to say that I truly enjoyed reading this thread, rather entertaining... :hehehe:

The ls/vtec is only unreliable if not built properly build it right and it will last as long as any motor

Originally posted by electric_
The ls/vtec is only unreliable if not built properly build it right and it will last as long as any motor

very tru...its jus like if u go FI, its only unreliable if u don't pay the time/cash that u should an try to go the cheap route. :o

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00


very tru...its jus like if u go FI, its only unreliable if u don't pay the time/cash that u should an try to go the cheap route. :o

That is 100% true, could not have said it better myself.

Ok LS/VTEC very unreliable, unless you get rid of the stock internals and replace them. My friend did this, blew his motor 3 times within 3 months and its back in the shop again. Make sure you have somenoe that knows what their doing as well, dont just let them bullshit you that they know what there doing.

As far as boost, stock on LS and GSR u can run more boost safely on the GSR. 6-8 on LS and 7-9 on GSR.

Originally posted by RIPteggie
....As far as boost, stock on LS and GSR u can run more boost safely on the GSR. 6-8 on LS and 7-9 on GSR.

:confused: what makes you say that? Is that a mistype?

its not a mistype, i had a GSR and was lookin to turbo it before it got stolen. team-integra.net is a great online resource for all you teg questions and they cover it all in depth. sign up there look at the turbo articles it explains it all. they dont bullshit over there.

gtg car shopping.

Originally posted by whtteg


:confused: what makes you say that? Is that a mistype?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. How is it that you can boost a GSR with 10:1 compression more than an LS with 9.2:1? I don't care what that site says, its a bunch of bullshit. You can boost 12 PSI on an LS, and up to 9 PSI on a GSR. And you could boost more on the LS, but the rods can't take it.

before you say the site is bullshit check it out and read the whole FI forum and articles, they know what their talkin about there. I thought LS would be able to boost more but they explained it why its a gsr initially.

Originally posted by RIPteggie
Ok LS/VTEC very unreliable, unless you get rid of the stock internals and replace them. My friend did this, blew his motor 3 times within 3 months and its back in the shop again. Make sure you have somenoe that knows what their doing as well, dont just let them bullshit you that they know what there doing.



of course it wouldnt be a GOOD LS vtec unless you replace the internals you have to pretty much rebuild your whole block to make it worth it..... i got the whole thing rebuilt everything aftermarket except my rods because the stock ls rods can handle something like 400 hp...

Originally posted by electric_


of course it wouldnt be a GOOD LS vtec unless you replace the internals you have to pretty much rebuild your whole block to make it worth it..... i got the whole thing rebuilt everything aftermarket except my rods because the stock ls rods can handle something like 400 hp...

Are you sure about the LS rods holding 400hp,b/c I have never heard that before?

Originally posted by whtteg


Are you sure about the LS rods holding 400hp,b/c I have never heard that before?
Well that what I was told by my builder and hes been doing ls/vtecs since 97 and one of the first.... my rods are pretty much the only stock part on my motor

Originally posted by whtteg


Are you sure about the LS rods holding 400hp,b/c I have never heard that before?

Stock rods will handle 300 HP, not 400. Maybe if they are shot-peened and you added ARP bolt they might handle 350, 400 is getting real iffy.

Originally posted by RIPteggie
before you say the site is bullshit check it out and read the whole FI forum and articles, they know what their talkin about there. I thought LS would be able to boost more but they explained it why its a gsr initially.

Yeah I checked it out, I registered as "00TegLS". Yeah those guys really suck a tuning their cars then. The one guy said he ran 13 PSI on his stock internals and it blew up - NO SHIT, you have to do some serious tuning to run 12, but it can be done. 13 PSIis too much. and that guy didn't sound like he's the sharpest tool in the shed anyway.
The stock pistons can only handle 12. Yes GSR rods/pistons are stronger, and GSR's have the oil cooling like that one guy said, but they just have too high of compression.
Trust me, I belong to 3 forums (now 4 with teamintegra) and they are the only ones that say that. I'm sure there's enough knowledge out there that they guys on the other 3 forums know what they are talking about. And they all said that the stock bottom end can handle 300 HP, well, how do you think you achieve 300 BHP? With 12 PSI, good fuel management, and 3" straightpipe exhaust, and theres about 275.

Originally posted by hcivicron95


why are you still trying to argue? i made my point clear, we can go all day about this and that. Im definatly sure everyone knows you can lower the gsr's or any engines cr by swapping out the pistons. And once again i didnt comment on how much others know I was just stating facts that you have not already said. And my point of the agrument where im trying make a point about the ls and gsr's hp is true, I never said the gsr had any modifications at all, Im just saying its not hard to put mods on a ls and have the same hp figures and track times as the vtec motor stock. You can disagree with me all day and want "dyno" sheets ect. and if i had a scanner id scan it but i dont so get over it and besides the numbers on it were,

Run 1 hp 139.9 tq 118.1
Run 2 hp 142.7 tq 121.6

and yes its the ls with only i/h/e. If your going to come back bashing on what ive said again you will be wasting your time, because there is nothing more to agrue about this thread now had nothing but facts. no bs

Damn, how many miles are on your engine? I want to say that I find that a little hard to believe myself. I just don't think you could dip into the mid 14's with that. I have an intake and full exhaust no Cat on my 94 hatch with a 95 ls engine in it about 60k on it. I raced my friends 2003 civic auto. I gave him the break and when I took off I spun wheels. I was right behind him through first and second and third I just pulled on him hard. I think I spun 2nd too not sure cause my f'in exhaust is soo loud, but I only beat him by like a car length. So I'm thinking that I can do at most low 15's. If what your posting is true I have to hand it to you, and ask what i/h/e are you running cause you are pulling a lot out of them.

Originally posted by PWMAN


Stock rods will handle 300 HP, not 400. Maybe if they are shot-peened and you added ARP bolt they might handle 350, 400 is getting real iffy.
yea they are shotpeened and arp bolt added but even for dead stock 300 is quite a bit theres not many if any ls vtec all motors that will go ove 300 or even 350 and i think when my builer said 400 it was meant to be NEARLY 400

Originally posted by Rob80


Damn, how many miles are on your engine? I want to say that I find that a little hard to believe myself. I just don't think you could dip into the mid 14's with that. I have an intake and full exhaust no Cat on my 94 hatch with a 95 ls engine in it about 60k on it. I raced my friends 2003 civic auto. I gave him the break and when I took off I spun wheels. I was right behind him through first and second and third I just pulled on him hard. I think I spun 2nd too not sure cause my f'in exhaust is soo loud, but I only beat him by like a car length. So I'm thinking that I can do at most low 15's. If what your posting is true I have to hand it to you, and ask what i/h/e are you running cause you are pulling a lot out of them.

Hi , if you or anyone else doubts what i say just im me at hcivicron95 on AOL . I did upload the video from the track when i ran that and id be glady to send it to you, i am almost always online. Also it put 4-1 DC sport headers a custom short ram intake and i took off the exaust/cat and ran a 2 1/4 pipe out the back to some muffler.. i wouldnt lie about my times or hp because i could seriously care less seeing as the car is being turboed very soon.

removed...nvm, jus read the car u have...isn't that far off, my bad :D . is pretty quick time tho, even for a h/b...cuz frien w/ LS/VTEC did only run a 14.2-4 all day (had i/h/e/clutch/test pipe)

were u on slicks or something?

if you have to ask this question you dont belong behind the wheel....


just kidding man...GS-R...VTEC baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
removed...nvm, jus read the car u have...isn't that far off, my bad :D . is pretty quick time tho, even for a h/b...cuz frien w/ LS/VTEC did only run a 14.2-4 all day (had i/h/e/clutch/test pipe)

were u on slicks or something?

nah man no slicks, i just used the stock 13s inch wheels and lowered the pressure a lil bit and i did have full interior and spare at the time.

my lsvtec built by dave hickman can dip into the high 12's with now that i put on my 5sp with welded diff was at 13's with auto tranny

i'll be honest, i didnt read all 4 pages in this thread but i did read the first one and it keeps talkin about the differences between the gsr and ls and turboing them both. Well, what about puttin a jackons racing or other brand supercharger on the GSR with a cold air box and boost pulley upgrade? It would be much more reliable and easier to install. And you save because you dont have to invest all that money into the engine for the pistons and other internals to lower the compression. Just wondering what you guys thought because i'm about to buy a GSR and was wondering what to get turbo or supercharger. I like the supercharger idea tho because of how easy it is and reliable.