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Old 02-05-2009, 04:30 PM   #1
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95 Villager cranks over but no start

Van died while on the Freeway and had to be towed home.
Checked the following:
-The fuel pressure measured at 40psi.
-All cylinders compression measured between 150 to 157psi.
-Fuel is present after removing each of the six spark plugs for compression testing.
-Checked cylinder #1 on compression stroke and the distributor rotor lines up at the #1 distributor post confirming not a jumped or broken timing belt.
-Checked code in the PCM using the MIL > code 55 - system normal
-MAF and TPS checks according to the Haynes repair manual
-Removed Distributor and checked the spark plugs are firing (KOEO)
-Cracked the exhaust pipe in front of the Cat Converter > can hear air exhaust during cranking.
- CMP signal varies between 0 and 2.5V.

Still doesnt' start. Any clues?

Last edited by mechatronic; 02-06-2009 at 01:38 AM. Reason: mis-spell Villager in the title
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:27 PM   #2
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

From what I see in the FSM is that the CMP should be 0 to 5.0V with distributor removed and CMP connector still attached and turning distrubtor slowly. Possible ECM problem.

Here is a link for the Factory Service Manual if you do not have:

http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/

Scroll down to Quest and choose year.

Go to section EF&EC page 163. Shows procedured for no start which you have pretty much done but should be helpful.

Have you looked at the CMP in the distrubtor to see if it has any dust on it?
How does the distributor bearing look or does it feel rough?

Have you checked the ASD relay in the fuse box under the hood. Try switching relay with same number relay.

Have you tried reseting the Inertia fuel shutof switch located below the hood latch near the door frame?

Keep us posted as I am very interested in the fix.

After more reading I am more inclined that the CMP has failed, bad part is that you have to replace complete distributor.

Sending you a PM also.

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Old 02-06-2009, 12:25 PM   #3
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

Thanks for the link! It's very informative.

The Inertia Fuel cut off switch was not tripped.
I've removed the CMP cover on the distributor and it did not look dirty. The screws holding down the sensor were epoxied so the sensor cannot be removed easily. The Distributor was changed about 90k miles ago (currently has 189k miles) when the van ran but had no pickup power going onto the freeway. I blew the CMP senor area w/ compressed air. The Distributor bearing feels tight and smooth. Put everything back together, cranked the engine over and heard a couple of pop from the igniting fuel mixture and then it stop firing so no start.

I'll replace the distributor today and see what happens.
What's the ASD relay?
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Old 02-11-2009, 01:42 PM   #4
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Re: 95 Villager cranks over but no start

Got the re-manufactured distributor, hooked up to check the CMP sensor. 0 to 5V pulses is obtained for the 120 degree and the 1 degree disk slots. With the KeyOnEngineOff, the fuel injector can be heard clicking and with the distributor coil wire sparking at every 120 degree slot. The distributor was installed insuring the rotor was aligned with the #1 plug wire on the distributor and at TDC.

Turned over and explosion can be heard for about two seconds and died again. Checked all the fuses from the fusible links and they are good. Checked all the voltages at the ECM connector (connected) according to the EF&EC-160 and 161 pin out that had "Ignition switch 'ON'" and all the voltages are within spec. The voltages with "Engine Running" were not measured since it wouldn't start.

Since it's a '95, it does not have OBDII. The van does have a Nissan Consult port. May need to take it into the Dealer to check it out.
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Old 02-11-2009, 06:58 PM   #5
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

Have you checked the coil and power transmiter?

Have you checked the ignition switch?

Have you double checked the timing belt to make sure it did not jump a few teeth?

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Old 02-19-2009, 04:54 PM   #6
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

Checked the ignition coil > ok
Checked the Power Transistor (aka Ignition control module at Pepboys) > ok
Checked ignition switch > ok

Dis-assembled the front crankshaft pulley to check the timing marks, and found the crankshaft is broken.
Know any place for an inexpensive crankshaft?
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:10 PM   #7
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

That sucks. Rockauto.com hasd one for $286.00, thats the crankshaft kit for a 96 with the thicker snout. The 95 and older cranks have a smaller snout and are prone to break because of overtightening the drive belts and improper timing belt installment.

Check online site like napaonline.com, oriellys.com etc. Check on crairglist maybe some has a villager for parts. Salvage yard.

Here is a link to a Nissan auto parts store:
http://www.feltonautoparts.com/asp/parts/inventory.asp

good luck and let us know how it goes.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:17 AM   #8
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

I've measured the crankshaft snout and it's the small diameter, 0.984".
If I want to change it to the large snout, don't I have to change the crankshaft sprocket for the timing belt and the crankshaft pulley?
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:09 AM   #9
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

I have tried looking in the online auto sites but they do not have the sprocket. I would imagine that you would have to being the shaft size is bigger but the overall circumference should be the same. You may also need a different harmonic balancer. Not sure if you need a lower timing belt cover, seal for a 96 crank maybe the only part you need on the cover.
I would contact a Mercury or Quest dealer parts person they should be able to answer these questions for you.

Here is a link with photos that a guy took removing the engine from the top and installing a 96-98 crankshaft into a 95.

http://autos.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/villagerquest/photos/browse/472b

I am going to send you a PM.
Hope this helps

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Old 04-19-2009, 01:30 AM   #10
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Re: 95 Villager cranks over but no start

Finally got the engine out of the minivan and pulled out the broken snout crankshaft. The main and rod bearings still looked shiny, and hardly any scratches. Synthetic oil is awesome! Anyways, when I was cleaning the oil passage holes on the replacement crankshaft (ordered from back East), I've noticed that all the oil gallery plugs were missing in the crankshaft. I've compared the old and the new crankshaft and they are definitely missing on the replacement crank. Anyone know why the machine shop would remove these plugs when regrinding a crankshaft? and are they replaced?
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Old 04-19-2009, 11:20 AM   #11
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

It has been quite some time since I looked at a crankshaft, so I am not sure where you are speaking of. Would it be possible for you too post some pics of the old and new crank showing the plugs you are referring to??

Where did you get the crank? Is it a reputable name? You may want to contact them with your question.
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:45 PM   #12
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

Here are some pictures with the crankshafts side-by-side. I've notified RockAuto about the discrepancy and their reply was the holes are for counter weight drill outs to balance the crankshaft. I've blew compressed air through these holes and the air comes out of the crankshaft journal oil holes. Tried to send contact by email for 3 days and no response. I'm thinking of ordering a 6mm aluminum rod and silver solder the plugs in.

How do you attach pics in these forums?
Looks like this only allows a link to be added to reference to another site for pics.
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Old 04-20-2009, 12:30 AM   #13
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

Go to www.photobucket.com to put the pics on here.

I would not solder them like you are speaking of, that more than likely would throw the crank completely out of balance plusother issues.

I would call the main office and demand to speak to president of the company, as they have supplied you with a faulty crank. Whom is the crankshaft warrantied by?? What's the brand name of the rebuilt crank?? Try contacting them.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:44 PM   #14
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Re: 95 Villager cranks over but no start

I've returned the Crankshaft and got a replacement crank. Wouldn't you know it, the same problem with the second crank.

I've put a webpage with photos at this site to show the orig and replacement cranks: http://www.vantagecrest.com/ben/

I've called up the local crankshaft shop and they say the non-journal oil passage plugs are normally not removed during the cleaning process. I'm not sure why these cranks came w/o the plugs.
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:43 PM   #15
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Re: 95 Village cranks over but no start

Thanks for posting pics. Do you mind stating the vender of the crank, is a gopher rebuilt crank or a name brand like that??

You would think that the vender would make sure that the plugs were in place. I don't understand why they would remove plugs but not replace. I would be quite upset also and demand a explanation from the vender that does the work.
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