Shuttle Columbia

I'm watching the news.

Hope they have an escape capsule. No one seems to know what's going on, but the communication with the shuttle is lost and it seems to have suffered a major failure.

Just said on CNN that there is no ejection system on that thing at all :mad:

Also don't approach it when it crashes. Something about the chemicals that can kill you.

:confused:

oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no man... why????:confused: :eek: :( :( :( can't the americans secside in at anything? i think they are dead by now (even if they escaped:( )

There is no way to escape :( And the speed was abou Mach 6, so ...

NASA just confirmed that the shuttle has been lost.

7 on board.

your probebly write i guess it's another sad day for the world:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :o :o :o :( :(

do you think it might be a good idea to make a big forum about that in the front page in AF? :rolleyes: :( :(

Wow, just heard. :o My friend sent me to CNN and just as I went to call bluff he brought up another 2 or 3 links. :( Sad day indeed.

yes:( ..... what do you think about my idea?

Originally posted by Ran
yes:( ..... what do you think about my idea?

We'll wait and see how this thread does. There might not be too much of a need for its own forum.

So much for doing homework. I'll probably be glued to the TV to get information now.

Originally posted by ales
Just said on CNN that there is no ejection system on that thing at all :mad: I don't get it. What is the point of installing an ejection system? The shuttle is starting to break up upon re-entry, so let's eject. That would do no good. It might in some situations, but here it would accomlish nothing. The shuttle itself can barely withstand atmospheric re-entry. An ejection system would only serve the astronauts when they are within the earth's atmosphere, which by design, is not much of the time.

qoute:We'll wait and see how this thread does. There might not be too much of a need for its own forum.

So much for doing homework. I'll probably be glued to the TV to get information now.
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yea me too so see you later:) ;)

-40 miles up
-entry speeds in excess of mach 12 (descent at around 12,000 miles per hour)

An amazing piece of equipment, and in 42 years of space flight, the first accident of its kind (re-entry loss). An excellent service record on the craft design, it was only 1/3 of the way through its operating life. However, this is why it is called a catastrophy. My deepest sympathy goes out to the families of the seven astronauts onboard. And I hope the exact reasons behind the mission failure are brought to light quickly.

Geez, for only a little over 2 years in office, Bush has dealt with a lifetime's worth of trouble. 9/11, Al-queda, Iraq, N.Korea, now this.

Another sad day in American History.:(

ejecting at 12,500 mph? and an altitude of 200,000:rolleyes:

yea:( but they couldent do nothing...:o

What I mean was an escape capsule, but does it really matter now???

Originally posted by ales
What I mean was an escape capsule, but does it really matter now??? no by now their probebly dead:( :( :(

Has anyone heard about the Israeli guy? How the debris from the shuttle is mainly falling in Palestine, Texas. Also, this guy led a raid on Iraq to succesfully blow up a nuclear power plant. Is it a sign?

Originally posted by ales
What I mean was an escape capsule, but does it really matter now??? Hope I didn't sound like I was being patronizing. The fact is, that I don't think there is any mechanism to safely get astronauts out of and back into the atmosphere, at least not with a safety net. Particularly given the instability of the fuel sources. Years of technological advancement will, let's hope, aid in establishing safer travel into space (even the confines of space in orbit around the earth).

Originally posted by Damien
Has anyone heard about the Israeli guy? How the debris from the shuttle is mainly falling in Palestine, Texas. Also, this guy led a raid on Iraq to succesfully blow up a nuclear power plant. Is it a sign?

Damien-I thought that was pretty odd. I went to synnagouge today(Im a jew also) ANd everyone thought it was waay to strange. dont think its terrorism though. Too tough to pull off.

Yeah I can only imagine the background check one would have to go through to be able to ride on the shuttle.

No Terrorism here. I think it had something to do with the piece that fell off of the shuttle when it was launched. Anyone see that vid clip?

i heard that on launch, something clipped one of the wings possibly ripping off some of the tiles on the outer layer, which may have in turn caused the outer structure of the shuttle to weaken with the force of re-entry. this could be a cause of the break-up, although at this time everyone is still throwing speculations around.

one thing is for sure: this is a tragic loss and a sad day for not just the US, but the world. my thoughts go out to the families of the brave astronauts that were aboard the ship.

One can only imagine the background check to work at NASA.

I dont think terrorism is involved either. Cant really shoot down a Space Shuttle.

Unless it was deliberate sabotage, although its VERY unlikely.

there were speculations that something might have exploded INSIDE the shuttle...but at this point, pretty much everything except the bare facts are unconfirmed. pretty much impossible to shoot down a shuttle that's flying at 200,000 feet unless you have something else up there to shoot at it...but we all know that didn't happen.

Originally posted by Dorikin
One can only imagine the background check to work at NASA.

I dont think terrorism is involved either. Cant really shoot down a Space Shuttle.

Unless it was deliberate sabotage, although its VERY unlikely.
why did you put the pic of ilan in your sign?

It's a sad day....
Apparently the shuttle broke up at 200700 feet going 12500mph.....

My thoughts are with the families....they will never know what actually happened....

Ray

Cause Ive met the guy before(he came to my synnagouge), and I'm doing it as a tribute.

According to Jewish custom, you are supposed to say prayers and have 7 days of mourning when someone dies.

Therefore, I'm keeping his pic up for 7 days.

that means your Jewish and it's good;)

Ya man I'm jewish.

That bites ass, the 1st Jew and space and he dies.

WTF why does bad shit hapen to us??

My thoughts and prayers go out to the astronaughts families as they must me going through an amazingly hard period right now and also because they will never truly have any closure until someone finds out what really happened


BTW:Dorikin I like the tribute/prayer that you did on your sig, I really respect that.

Originally posted by Dorikin
Ya man I'm jewish.

That bites ass, the 1st Jew and space and he dies.

WTF why does bad shit hapen to us??

It didn't happen to you.So be grateful.

It is 17 years,almost to the day,that the 'Challenger' blew up on take-off.[Jan28,1986].Since then,there have been many successful and uneventful space missions,but this latest tragedy only serves as a reminder of the enormous risks involved in space travel.

There will be hundreds of other people die in accidents today,most of them will be doing things that are considered far less risky.

they were sayin sumthin bout how most of the space ship failures and stuff have happened in the January months.........

and i dunno if its tru but they say it was like styrofoam that struck it......and becaue it was goin so fast that it cause the tiles in the back (which resist the heat crap) fell off........and then they like crashed or sumthin...........

Truley sad. Heard about it on my drive to work, just like I heard about 9/11. Gotta hate waking up to shit like that.

They do have an escape system, I saw it on a special the other day. Its an arm that they slide out on and it opens parachutes attachted to them. Its only meant to be used at low altitudes though, and obviously at much slower speeds than they were at. The Ironic part is they said this system was developed after the Challenger disaster, and then this happens a week after I see it. :(

ugh. Two NASA disastersin my life so far, an i'm only 18.

naki: try 16 years ;)

Originally posted by Steel
ugh. Two NASA disastersin my life so far, an i'm only 18.

naki: try 16 years ;) Aren't you studying to be an engineer? Try 17 years :D Heh heh.

My thoughts go out to the family and friends of the seven on board, on what is another sad day for the USA

My respects to eveyone involved with the situation.

The details I have reseached so far(www and Cnn tv).

On launch of this mission a piece of high-density foam(not styrofoam) from the front shuttle support struts broke off and impacted on the leading edge of a wing(left side I think).

this broke a heat sheild tile off the wing. NASA states that this has happened on prior missions and has not affected anything enough to cause an incident, so was not a serious threat.

On re-entry at approx. 49 miles in altitude, NASA lost contact with the shuttle. Video footage shows the breakup. from that distance on video it just looks like a rather large shooting star breaking into pieces.

No further details have been released.

The shuttle only has an ejection/escape system for low altitude when the spacecraft is on final approach to the runway.

At the altitude and speed they were travelling any ejection/escape is simple not possible or survivable.

Originally posted by darkness
My respects to eveyone involved with the situation.

On launch of this mission a piece of high-density foam(not styrofoam) from the front shuttle support struts broke off and impacted on the leading edge of a wing(left side I think).



ahh watever styrofoam, high density foam.......same shit.........

Space Travel is an inherently risky venture. The consequences of one of the myriad of complex system failing can be catastrophic.

Often we are lulled due to the regularity of manned space-flight that this mode of transportation is safe. It isn't and in all likelihood won't be for some time, given the nature of the forces necessary to hurl an object to escape velocity and the harshness of the environmental extremes.

Let's be really honest - this isn't some carnival ride this is a heroic, dangerous and inherently complex enterprise. It is a tribute to all involved in the manned space programme and indeed those involved in the launch of satellites that we take this all for granted. Everyday we use a phone, watch the news, use a computer, drive our cars - the relentless pursuit of technology and the ubiquity of the technology spawned by our toehold in orbit make us oblivious and unmoved by fantastic nature of the manned space flight.

My condolences to those who have suffered loss. It is a sad day when we lose heroes and sadder still when we failed to appreciate their endeavours.

Space travel is somewhat a risky business- Of course it is a tradegy when anyone dies- yet alone 7 people- But I can't see why this is any bigger than an accident outside Naples a few weeks ago where two vans and a truck collided killing 3 children and leaving 4 more as orphans (2 parents died) every day people are killed on the roads while they just get from A to B they don't expect to be dead before they get to where they are going :(


Sorry to sound pesimistic- but really I don't see much difference between this and the thousands of road acidents that kill millions of people each year- other than the shuttle being worth billions of dollars and a car being worth about 10,000 dollars

Originally posted by Jimster
Space travel is somewhat a risky business- Of course it is a tradegy when anyone dies- yet alone 7 people- But I can't see why this is any bigger than an accident outside Naples a few weeks ago where two vans and a truck collided killing 3 children and leaving 4 more as orphans (2 parents died) every day people are killed on the roads while they just get from A to B they don't expect to be dead before they get to where they are going :(


Sorry to sound pesimistic- but really I don't see much difference between this and the thousands of road acidents that kill millions of people each year- other than the shuttle being worth billions of dollars and a car being worth about 10,000 dollars

never really thought bout that.....but now that i have i agree with you 100%...............the only reason people care more about this is because it has basically been shown as such a big thing.........if it was just shown as the rest of the deaths then im pretty sure that people would not have cared as much....................so its basically up to the new reporters and the tv stations to choose wat they think is bg new and wat is small news.........cause watever they show more.........thats wat people will care about more................

Originally posted by Dorikin
Ya man I'm jewish.

That bites ass, the 1st Jew and space and he dies.

WTF why does bad shit hapen to us??

It's actually even more weird that it did, ya know? It's always said you were God's chosen people and you've survived three wars with the Middle East.

Yeah, I'm with Jimster on this. I was thinking this all day. I was stuck at my swim mmet with a radio and practically every station had the NASA conference on it or Bush's statement. I can understand Bush's since it was the president, but most of the stations had that on forever! I think it was bad a big deal the same reason that they did about the plane that crashed in...Queens? Maybe it was terroism which I know it's know. But all the omen signs are creepy......

Originally posted by Jimster
Space travel is somewhat a risky business- Of course it is a tradegy when anyone dies- yet alone 7 people- But I can't see why this is any bigger than an accident outside Naples a few weeks ago where two vans and a truck collided killing 3 children and leaving 4 more as orphans (2 parents died) every day people are killed on the roads while they just get from A to B they don't expect to be dead before they get to where they are going :(

Sorry to sound pesimistic- but really I don't see much difference between this and the thousands of road acidents that kill millions of people each year- other than the shuttle being worth billions of dollars and a car being worth about 10,000 dollars

Its always awful when acidents occur. The difference - good or bad - is the number of people who care at that moment. Family and friends care in a car crash. A lot more people have emotional intrest in the shuttle program. Think of auto racers who die. Same thing. More people then the family have some emotional intrest.













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Very little in life revolves around loss of life. Because i dont know the people who died, my life wont really change. If you know them, its different, of course, and my condolonces go out to those people.
However, a delay in space exploration affects us all. I feel that this incident will set it back. Which is unfortunate, because space exploration is absolutely criticial in my opinion. We need to explore other planets, and eventually, travel to distant solar systems, colonize planets, and meet some aliens (hopefully friendlier than us).

Im glad they still have the space station, now, they must go to space still.

Oh, the found human remains: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/02/01/shuttle.columbia/index.html

:( Its just sad thinking about all the family members who just couldn't sleep friday night b/c of being excited to see their loved ones return and it all ends with this unexpected tragic event. Its hard for me to imagine what could be going through their minds.....

'Columbia' first flew in 1981.Statistically speaking,if it were a car or truck,it would most likely have been scrapped by now.Of the original 5 shuttles,only 'Discovery' has flown more missions.[challenger was lost in 1986].This latest loss will put more pressure on the remaining 3 shuttles,all of which are over ten years old.This tragic failure raises the question,just how re-usable is a space shuttle?Unquestionably they get a full overhaul after every mission,but still -was it a failure caused by poor maintainance or by old age?We shall probably never know.

Space flights remain one of the most hazardous journeys known to man.out of 113 shuttle missions,15 people have lost their lives.And yet,until this morning,we had learned to take it for granted.

Originally posted by taranaki
Space flights remain one of the most hazardous journeys known to man.out of 113 shuttle missions,15 people have lost their lives.And yet,until this morning,we had learned to take it for granted.

I believe the last sentence speaks for a lot of...kind of recent events. I don't know, but I have this really creepy feeling about everything.

correction,14 dead.News reports are still contradicting each other.

Originally posted by taranaki
correction,14 dead.News reports are still contradicting each other.


:eek: how are 14 dead......i thought there were only 7 on board.......

:crying:

Originally posted by De$i Gank$ta



:eek: how are 14 dead......i thought there were only 7 on board.......

read my post again.The figure includes 7 dead from the 'challenger' in 1986

editUp to 40 civilians on the ground have been taken to hospital as a precaution after handling debris from the shuttle.A spokesman has stated that there has been no radioactive material located.

the facts about the age of the shuttles is a good point. Columbia was the very first shuttle flown, in 1981. but be that as it may, when it crashed, it was only on it's 28th mission out of the 100 that it was designed to withstand. plus, the ship received a 1 year long, $90 million refurbish in 2000-2001. if the ship was designed to last 100 mission, why did it need such a large update after only a quarter of it's life-span? facts like these definitley raise issues about the dependability of the remaining 3, and maybe NASA should look into refurbishing those or, if money permits, introducing a new shuttle to the fleet. if the remaining 3 are ten years old, then some advancements in shuttle design must have been made in the last 10 years and the new one would most likely be spades better.

from the official sites I have been using for data...

Discovery - 30 missions since 1984

Atlantis - 26 missions since 1985

Endeavour - 19 missions since 1992


I find the '100 missions' lifespan a bit optimistic,where did that figure come from?

well this is great. CNN keeps updating their stories and moving out info that was previousley there. in one of the stories about the shuttle, i swear to you i read that they were designed to withstand 100 missions. but now i can't seem to find it anywhere on the site. :confused: :confused:

*edit* i just found it. if you go to cnn.com and clock on any of the Columbia related articles, there'll be a bar along the right side listing all of the interactive galleries about the disaster. if you click on the one marked "Columbia Specs", it opens up a new window with specs on the vehicle. in the second paragraph, one of the points states that the outer materials of the ship are designed to perform a minimum of 100 missions. so i'm NOT crazy! :D

Screw CNN, they can't be trusted.Found it at NASA.

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/reference/basics/

Originally posted by Chris
Very little in life revolves around loss of life. Because i dont know the people who died, my life wont really change. If you know them, its different, of course, and my condolonces go out to those people.
However, a delay in space exploration affects us all. I feel that this incident will set it back. Which is unfortunate, because space exploration is absolutely criticial in my opinion. We need to explore other planets, and eventually, travel to distant solar systems, colonize planets, and meet some aliens (hopefully friendlier than us).

Im glad they still have the space station, now, they must go to space still.
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You just expressed my thoughts pretty damn well.

Its a sad day for all of civilisation.

Anyone who knows ANYTHING about space can tell you that the Space Shuttle is the most expensive and worthless pile of crap to ever go into space. This is nothing like the Challenger explosion - the world and Americans do not live / eat / sleep the shuttle anymore, infact most people could care less.

NASA hasnt been doing its job ever since they put men on the moon, everything they do is over budget, delayed, or... well, fails. The space shuttle has always been the epitome of "ghetto rigging" - and up until recently it had the computing power of a 286/386 computer - yeah glad to know the most expensive machine in the world is run on something we havent used in like 10 years!

Cost? $50,000 a pound to put cargo into space... a 2000lb satellite would cost $100,000,000 to launch into space - for something that if commercialized in a broader scale would cost more like $2,000,000... Its sad that it takes tragadies to open up peoples eyes... 9/11 - this, if only Americans would open up their eyes and think for themselves instead of always relying on what other people tell them.

Checkout the X-Prize, im sure alot of you dont have a clue whats going on in the space world...

http://www.xprize.org/

with all the missions we make to space, what are we really learning? what kind of experiments are doing up there why are we still goin up there. and the media has covered this story like CRAP! they bring in the most unqualyfied people to speack on this issue. i just think they should report it to death. but only when they have new information.