Another (image intensive) Peugeot 206 WRC progress thread

G'day Everybody

As a newbie here I figured it would be a good idea to post some progress pictures of my latest project. Besides my ill one-year-old son is sleeping so if I head out to the garage and arc up the noisy old compressor to do some painting the wife will kill me.

This is my third Tamiya Peugeot 206 - I have a fetish for them it seems, already finished 1999 and 2001 versions. Will have to follow it with Tamiya’s new 2002 Evo2 kit. Not to mention, just around the corner the new Marlboro livery for 2003 will be unveiled! That will have to added to the list too - busy, busy, busy!

Building this one as Marcus Gronholm and Timo Rautianien's 2000 Rally New Zealand winner.

Anyway here are a few progress pictures, not too different from what I’ve already done on the previous builds. Details of the 2001 Swedish car can be seen in the build diary section of my website at http://rallycars.topcities.com.

First picture shows the primed bodyshell, followed by a close up of the reinforced areas between the doors and rear wheel arches. The front bumper light covers don’t need to be changed since both shapes were used in NZ 2000. I think since New Zealand is an “away” event Peugeot shipped out a lot of earlier revision spares.

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Next image is of the modified rollcage side members. The carbon fibre panelling has been removed since it wasn’t used on 206’s much past early 2000.

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Instrument panel. The switches have been sanded off to be replaced with wire or stretched sprue at a later date.

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15” gravel wheel modified to the Peugeot’s 5-stud pattern

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Since the NZ rally is a smooth gravel event the suspension needs to be raised from the Tamiya kit’s Tarmac height. The springs have been extended by one coil each and the bottom part of the upright trimmed down with the locating lug replaced by some plastic rod. Should raise the ride height by about 2mm.

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A lot of bits prepared and in various stages of painting (hopefully continue soon - when my son gets better)

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Nice!!:cool:

The peugots are real nice IMO, good choice of kit:alien2: :smoker2:

WOW!! Very nice already.

I'm especially interested in finding out how the interior and dash are going to be once finished. Thanks also for the suspension pics! It gave me kind of new ideas ;)

Hopes the son gets better soon, for his own sake and your modeling of course.

Guido

Hi phil,

as always, a very nice starting project !!!
i knew that you will start another pug before achieving your lancer or your cordoba ;-)

Bye

Phil,
Car looks good, I hope your son gets better soon and look forward to seeing more of the car.
How did you modify the rim's bolt pattern? I was thinking of doing something similar for another project and you now have me thinking about it more.

Ray

Phil's pages and his Pug helped a lot to me and Seb in building our Pugs.

Looks promising!

A couple of questions, if I may:

Where did you get the wheels?

And how are you planning on painting it (I see you used grey primer, so are you planning on using white primer now on top of the grey one or are you going to use black undercoat for the silver paint? Or neither? ;))

Originally posted by maxhogblom
Nice!!:cool:

The peugots are real nice IMO, good choice of kit:alien2: :smoker2:

Thanks Max, yes the 206 is a fun kit to make. Tamiya just keep getting better, the new Evo VII for instance looks like a magic kit. Then there is their new Enzo Ferrari kit, looks like the ultimate 1/24th kit ever. I'm not a Ferrari fan but will definitely have to get one of them - maybe paint it up in a "West" scheme :p

Phil

Originally posted by huudo

I'm especially interested in finding out how the interior and dash are going to be once finished. Thanks also for the suspension pics! It gave me kind of new ideas ;)


Thanks Huudo,

The interior will be much like my previous Pugs. You can see some of how the 2001 car worked out on this link:

http://rallycars.topcities.com/build/peugeot-sweden01/peugeot-sweden01-rovanpera-03.html

Phil

Originally posted by _835_

i knew that you will start another pug before achieving your lancer or your cordoba ;-)


Yeah Seb, I’m just a fool for Pugs!

Originally posted by freakray

How did you modify the rim's bolt pattern? I was thinking of doing something similar for another project and you now have me thinking about it more.
Ray

Thanks Ray,

The wheels were pieced together by cutting the centres out of the 206’s 5-spoke rims and grafting them into the middle of some gravel wheels out of a Tamiya Celica ST185 kit. A bit tricky to make sure the new assembly is properly centred but not too difficult. Needs lots of superglue to make a strong join.

Phil

Originally posted by ales

And how are you planning on painting it (I see you used grey primer, so are you planning on using white primer now on top of the grey one or are you going to use black undercoat for the silver paint? Or neither? ;))

Hi Alex

Not quite sure how I’m going to paint the body shell yet. In the past I’ve used Tamiya TS-17 Gloss Aluminium straight over the grey primer, worked well, but I don’t think I have enough left to paint the whole car. The other option is to use Alcalad, never tried this on something as big as a full body. That will be to be painted Gloss Black first of course.

Think I’ll take a chance on the TS-17, over grey.

Phil

Originally posted by hrmodeler
Phil's pages and his Pug helped a lot to me and Seb in building our Pugs.

Pleased to be of assistance Zeljko!

Now it is your turn to blaze the trail on building a killer Audi Quattro :sun:

Can't seem to get the link to your website to work - any ideas?

Originally posted by potsie
Can't seem to get the link to your website to work - any ideas? AF's a busy place, and when any URL gets posted here, it gets clicked - a lot! Enough to use up many free sites bandwidth limits... :o

Originally posted by potsie
Can't seem to get the link to your website to work - any ideas?

I think jay@af is right! Looks like the site is dead for the day :( I guess you get what you pay for!

Phil

Whoa! You have extremely knowledgeable and accurate buildups on your site :)

Originally posted by daggerlee
Whoa! You have extremely knowledgeable and accurate buildups on your site :)

Thanks Daggerlee, You've got some mighty cool stuff in your gallery too!

Just wish I had more time (and bandwidth :o ) to spend on developing the site - and building some more models to feature on it too :p

Phil

Nice to see the NEW ZEALAND version !!!

Very nice detailed write up...look forward to seeing more stuff from you.

Hi Primera Man

Yeah New Zealand is practically Australian ;) Actualy a Rally Oz version would have been my first choice but I don't have the right decals for it. Also I've yet to find a satisfactory way of replicating the mirrored foil on windows the WRC cars use on the hot events like Australia.

Phil

P.S. My web site is back up and running ! :flash:

Excellent work here, you have excellent model skills and pay attention to detail.

Thanks FOTW

Truth is I'm just a hack trying to improve with every model!!

Phil

Had a stroke of luck today. The local Toys 'R Us - the closest thing to a hobby store there is in my town - got a new shippment of Tamiya paints in!!

Bought a few spray cans....... 17 of them!!! :eek:

Now I have plently to use on my NZ 206 - and a few more besides!!! :D

Phil

17 cans????!!!!!! :eek:

Ok, it's not that much, but not all at once! LOL!

Had to move quicky when the opportunity arrose. Otherwise I'd likely miss out and be back to the usual wide selection of lavendars, oranges and purples they've had up to today!

My hobby shop has pink. A lot of it. The guy that works there ties to sell me a can or two every time I go there. Like yesterday! :lol2:

Yeah Pink... such a versatile colour :rolleyes:

Can't imagine why they have such a hard time shifting it ;)

Maybe somebody ran a "Barbie" sponsored NASCAR once ? :toothless

After a modelling brain fade last night the Peugeot 206 body currently resides in a bath of oven cleaner. :zx11pisse

Please feel free to call me an idiot as I made a cardinal mistake and tried to rush things. Instead of several light coats of clear to seal the metallic finish for decalling I tried to do it in one thick coat. Before I knew it I had runs and the clear had reacted with the gloss aluminuim underneath. :angryfire

The worst part is the oven cleaner has dissolved the glue on the bare metal foil that represented the reinforcing plates in front of the rear wheel arches. That took sooooooo long to do, as I needed to put four layers down to get a nice raised edge.

Back to square one.

On a positive note the interior detailing is coming along well. Just that damm bodyshell. :flamer:

Phil

Feel for you, man. But it's all good as long as it can be redone. Make it better than before now :D

Originally posted by ales
Feel for you, man. But it's all good as long as it can be redone. Make it better than before now :D

Yep, I second that! :D

Wha~

you made me want to make one~!

Nice Job~!

Sorry to heard that phil,

i can just tell you that same thing happen to me with the xsara..
All the white paint was done...but when i put the red on... i got a bad react... so the body directly go to the brake fluid bottle... i was very sad..and i do not touch the body for a month (so i work on interior ;-) )
Now the body is totaly white paint again... i only hope the red will not react again (BTW i change the brand of paint between ;-))

Thanks for the sympathy guys. Although I don't deserve - it the fiasco being entirely my own silly fault.

Sorry to hear you had a similar experience Seb. At least you have been making good use of the time working on the interior. It was looking mighty impressive last time I checked out your progress.

Anyway I can't wait for the paint to strip from the bodyshell. Since I am a Pug fanatic I have several kits so have started again on a brand new shell. Already done one thing slightly differently by sanding off the windscreen nozzles on the bonnet. This will make it easier to polish up the area and the nozzles will be replaced later with some stretched sprue or similar.

Phil

Everybody makes mistakes, don't worry about it.

I can't wait to see an update, after there is something to update on of course. ;)

Originally posted by RallyRaider
....
Please feel free to call me an idiot as I made a cardinal ......
Phil

you IDIOT!! :rolleyes:

j/k :finger: :D

Sorry to hear that man. The Escort Gr.A that I did once also ended up in the oven cleaner. Blue reacting with the yellow. I ended up buying a second kit, cause the primer didn't went off, even after several attempts. It all happens to us every now and then. So take your time, and it'll come out good! ;)

Hi Pug Fans :D

Back with an update on the 206. The body is been started again from scratch and is almost ready to be primed again. Been working on the detail bits. Detail painting, carbon fibre decaling etc. First up a picture of a bunch of parts, some finished, some not.

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Here is closer shot of the fuel tank covered in carbon fibre decal. Can't really see it too well in the photo but trust me it is all there! Also addded some fuel lines.

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More carbon fibre on the mirrors, doors, footrests, etc. Cut out the exhaust tip so it is one big pipe instead of smaller twin pipes. Also roof aerials, fire extinguisher bottles and gearbox/diff.

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Finally, a closeup of the helmets, still a lot to do with these.

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That is probably as much as will get done before the new year. Off to Melbourne for Christmas at the end of the week. Well that is what the wife and kids think - I'm just using it as a cover to pick up some modelling supplies :) Hope to give the body a coat of silver before leaving so it will have plenty of time to cure.

P.S. Thanks for calling me an idiot Huudo :flipa: Dissapointed more people didn't take up the offer :p

What else can i say than :eek2: when I see your parts like that! you're an absolute decal nut ;-) nice looking carbon fibre and drybrushing ;-) keep up the god work, and may the :rolleyes: FORCE:rolleyes: be with you :bandit: :)

Ohmigod! That is fantastic detailing and gives me inspiration for my own 206 WRC. If I can get it half as good as this I'll be well chuffed :D

Thanks Focus2000 and bigfrit. Yes I am a decal nut, that is why I don't build street cars :)

Here are another couple of photos that actually show the carbon fibre. The mirrors in particular were very fiddily to do and since a very fine pattern was used the texture can only be seen up close - just like the real thing.

Incidentaly I used the F1 Specialties carbon fibre decals. The fine one on the mirrors is their 1/20th and the larger one on the fuel tank and doors is for 1/12th. The 1/12th is about the same size as SMS 1/24th. It is probably a tad overscale but I use it for the interior parts since the finer pattern would not be seen through the windows :cool:

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Amazing decal work! What is your technique?:)

how did i miss this thread? you're work is amazing. i love your site. nice to see another 206.

Phil,

This is one of the most impressive detailing jobs ever!!! I'm totally amazed. :eek:

Please share your technique, especiall for complicated curved surfaces like the mirrors.

Alex

Phil,
you're not only a decal nutter, but also a detail nutter ;). I like that CF pattern a lot. I used Carpena ones, both on the inside and outside on my Sonax, but they were just a bit to grey-ish I think.

Love your work and the way you hunt down the details!! :coolguy:

Thanks guys,

Decal application technique. Hey?

First of all tools: I use Microset and Microsol decal solutions, a hair dryer, a good quality small/medium sized brush, a very, very sharp modelling knife, tweezers, plus cotton tips and tissues.

Microset is a gentle decal solution, smells acidic, it lightly softens the decal so it becomes more malleable and helps it slide around for easier positioning. It also kind of seals the decal into the paintwork making the edges of the carrier film less noticeable. Microsol is much stronger - it will dissolve some decals completely leaving just a gooey mess. Tamiya decals are in this category, while most carbon fibre decals I've used are very tough and will react well to the strong stuff. But be very careful with it, test first! There are other similar types of decal setting solutions around that work in much the same way.

Start by cutting out an appropriate sized decal, I've heard some people first make a template by covering the area to be decaled with masking tape then use it to cut the correct sive decal. I don't usually bother with that myself, just judge it to be a bit bigger than the part.

Immerse the part in water as usual and at the same time use the brush to coat the part in decal solution. Probably best to start with the gentle stuff until you know what you’re dealing with. Remove the decal and apply as normal, using the tweezers or your fingers. Next move the decal into the right position with the brush or a cotton tip. No big deal so far, however if the surface is curved here is where the fun starts. Use the modelling knife to cut the decal to help it conform to the curve (this can be done when the decal is first cut up if you’ve been thinking ahead). Applying more decal solution use the brush to encourage the decal to lay down the way you want it, then arc up the hairdryer! Make sure the decal is still wet and gradually apply heat. If you’ve done everything right the decal should now act like a piece of heat shrink or one of those chip packets the shrink to miniature size in the oven! The decal will suck down to the surface and conform perfectly. Or it will crinkle up in to a crackled mess. There is definitely an art or rather a knack to getting it right!

While the decal is still warm a bit of pressure from the brush, a cotton tip (or a moist tongue – eeeeuuuuwwwww!) will finish the job. But be very careful! If in doubt just leave it alone! More application of decal solution after everything has dried can give a final snuggling down of any raised or crinkled edges.

Basically the whole process works by torturing the decal with acid and heat till it bows to your bidding and conforms! But don’t push things too far or your subject will crack - “He's got away from us, Jack”

Good luck. Undoubtedly you’ll screw it all up the first few times (or with beginner’s luck make the first one perfect then spend the whole evening trying to repeat the feat), but the beauty of the process is that you can just remove the failed decal, cut out a new bit and start again. Don’t take too long though as some carbon fibre decals are a bit on the expensive side!

Quite an epic post – maybe it should have it’s own thread?

Thanks for the 'how to', it's just been added to my favourites list :D

Where do you get your CF decal sheets from? I've looked at HLJ and found some there, but it's Fujimi and Museum Collection, not SMS or F1 Specialties. The Fujimi stuff is cheapest, but that might mean lower quality, whereas the Museum Collection stuff is quite expensive but with bigger sheets. Anyone else had experience with these?

Hiya Chris,

There are quite a few places to get SMS and F1 Specialties online. First would be their websites http://www.scalemotorsport.com and http://www.f1specialties.com/ both based in the US. Rainbow 10 carry SMS stuff under the Sakatsu name but they are even pricier than regular SMS. Here in Australia John Lancaster, of Grand Prix Miniatures Australia is the SMS distributor, web site is http://www.grandprix.minitures.com.au. And yeah it is spelt that way - ask John why that happened! I'll be picking some sheets up from John when I drop by next week. Wong from MediaMix Hobby out of Singapore also carry SMS.

Best place is probably Modelcrafts and Hobbies in New Zealand, URL is http://www.modelcraftsandhobbies.co.nz. Because they stock SMS and F1S. Also the NZ dollar is very low (even for those of us dealing in Aussie Pesos) and shipping from NZ is cheap for some reason, even cheaper than domestically in Australia.

I have delt with all of the above retailers, except SMS, directly and can safely say you will not have any problems with them. Don't know about Modeller's and Fujimi. Think I recdall that modeller's didn't confrom to complex curves too well, but I could be mistaken. Give them a try and report back on the results - you can never have too many different carbon fibre patterns :D

On top of all that there you'd imageine there would be a distributor somewhere in England. Probably check out the SMS and F1S websites, they might include contact numbers for Pommy stores.

I've got a sheet of the new Museum Collection carbon fibre. Haven't tried it yet but the pattern is very interesting.

Merry Christmas everybody. I'm off to do the family Christmas thing for the next week and a bit. Hope to see you all safe and well when I return :)

Thanks a lot for the info! It was about time that I began to carbon -fibre-decal my cars, so i ll give it a shot!!

Ps to you all : merry christmas :angel: and a happy:) new year

Happy New Year :)

Back form Christmas a couple of days now, remotivated to build some Peugeots! Here is the latest progress on the NZ 2000 206.

Body shell is decaled, will leave it for a few days to let it thoroughly dry before clear coating it.

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More evidence to support the accusation that I am a decal nut. These are the left over backing papers after all the carrier film has been cut from around the decals!

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Bought a big batch of Alcalad paints whilst in Melbourne, this is their colour “Pale Burnt Metal” for the brake hubs and callipers. Just sprayed it straight on the black plastic – mighty nice stuff!

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Another shot of the front with the Rampant Lion emblem.

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Also picked up a resin Peugeot 905 by Profil 24. The 1992 Le Mans winning version. Will have to find time on my schedule to start that soon - along with all the other part finished projects on the shelf
:rolleyes:

Amazing work so far!
It’s been real nice to fallow this progress thread not only for the result you’re getting but also to admire and learn something from you’re amazing modelling skill.

Originally posted by Gainsbourg
Amazing work so far!
It’s been real nice to fallow this progress thread not only for the result you’re getting but also to admire and learn something from you’re amazing modelling skill.

Thanks Gains - you'll give me a big head! :angel:
Pleased if somebody can pick up a trick or something from my builds. I'm certinally learning things for many people on this forum and the internet in general - including your informative progress reports :cool:

Originally posted by RallyRaider

Pleased if somebody can pick up a trick or something from my builds.

personally, i do !!! i learn a lot from you phil !!!! and i am still learning !

Cool Seb. Just warning you that when I start to build my Xsara I plan to steal your great ideas shamelessly! :D

And i am sure you will do it better ;-)

Originally posted by RallyRaider
Cool Seb. Just warning you that when I start to build my Xsara I plan to steal your great ideas shamelessly! :D

Originally posted by _835_
And i am sure you will do it better ;-)



You've got to be kidding Seb!! Your Xsara interior mods and detailing is looking great. Don't think I'll be able to top that!

The Pugman is back to reassure all the Pugfans that things are moving along in Pugworld :toothless

Here are a few crappy shots of the latest developments. The body has been clear coated and polished. Took a while becaus the Carpenta decals that I used for the Rally NZ bonnet and door plates were very think and didn't take too well to the Tamiya clear. They crinkled slightly event though I started with very light mist coats. In retrospect I should have left these decals to last and applied them over the top of the clear coat. That would look more true to life since the bonnet plate is actually a metal sheet riveted to the hood and the door numbers are adhesive vinyl applied over the paintwork.

First shot shows the roof monted camera I've pieced together. There will be a cable running from it to the driver's door held down by silver decal representing duct tape.
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A couple of pictures of a dry run assembly of the suspension. Sorry about the shaky photography.
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Big bore exhaust WRC style.
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Rivet holes drilled out. Making them nice an big this time.
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Finaly a (very dark) snap of the dash with the switchgear installed and painted.
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Hopefully completion is not too far off now.

That it unbelievable!!... i can use your pictures as 1:1 referance pics! thank you so much for sharing!... one question, what colors do you use for the exhaust? ive been playing around with various colored clears but have had little luck in recreating the burnt metal look. any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks

Rob

Your work is simply out of this world. :eek:

Stunning! Your attention to detail is outstanding!

too good, out of my capability.

Wow! unbelievable detail working. just superb! . :flash: