look at this! http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/magazine.php?issue=14&issue_territory=UK

this must be computer images right?

from the small images I can see it looks quite nice!


I'll receive my copy soon (as I'm a subscriber to the mag):)

WHAT THE! Unbelieveable! Can't wait to see it!

I had a quick flick through the latest edition a few days ago at my local WHSmiths; I can't recall all the write up right now, but it did seem to have potential...........

the pic of the front reminded me of the Noble M15..

The British and Euro mags are almost famous for creating digital impressions of new cars that look quite real using images and pieces of other cars. That rear shot screams Carrera GT to me. Over here in the USA the either doctor real spy photos to remove cammo or they have an artist do a rendering that is clearly that based on known details.

I always wonder about the perceived credibility of mags from the other side of the pond when the real car is finally shown and doesn't look quite like the previous digital depiction. I guess no one cares and they still sell magazines.

>8^)
ER

^^ true, although AutoBild are well known to do this better than the rest of the European mags ;)

The British and Euro mags are almost famous for creating digital impressions of new cars that look quite real using images and pieces of other cars. That rear shot screams Carrera GT to me. Over here in the USA the either doctor real spy photos to remove cammo or they have an artist do a rendering that is clearly that based on known details.

I always wonder about the perceived credibility of mags from the other side of the pond when the real car is finally shown and doesn't look quite like the previous digital depiction. I guess no one cares and they still sell magazines.

>8^)
ER


Thats entirely true Erik.

I dont ordinarily buy "Car" magazine, but ineveitably this caught my eye. As you say several portions on the car are from a Carrera GT (Headlights and side scoops particularly) The overall shape reminds me of the Ascari KZ1. The rear is kind of like a F1 but with the bova lights with the outer one up slightly.

Now, they claim to have "sources" but anybody directly involved has almost certainly signed a non-disclosure agreement. So any details will be suitably vague. Waht gripes a little with regards to the article is that its presneted almost as a press release. Theres no mention that the image is a composite from "insiders" its just a rough photoshop the creator of which was a graphics design man. Not Peter Stevens or any other well respected stylist. Autocar are particularly bad for this type of report. It seems its spreading to others. In fact having flicked through the magazine even the Scuderia F430 is some pics and (probably) made up information.


However, (and it pains me to say it) if this car is launched in 2010 with anything approaching the article. The car will fail. The F430 or even Gallardo/R8 are widely praised as being innvoative 21st Century Supercars. This car looks and sounds very generic. Hardly cost effective against the main contenders and if production of SLR is anything to go by will take too long to hand manufacture.

Its not enough to have F1 in the back catalogue. You have to do what they did in 93. You have to out Ferrari, Ferrari. You have to demolish everything they (or other manufacturers) have ever built before. And now the rivals know for certain McLaren are doing a mid engine small car. They will up their game and make it irrelevant 12 months after P11 is launched.

If non-UKers are interested, I'll scan the article tomorrow

I bought the magazine today, havent read it yet tho... Took a look at a pics, but I doubt highly (like the rest of you) that this is the same car that will be produced. also, considering this car will not be made with Benz, it should not have the influence of all the luxuries which go along with the badge. What I am waiting to see is if this car will be anything like the F1. I mean 3 seat layout? Centred Driving Position? I guess at this point we can only speculate.

Also one major challenge for Mclaren will be living up to the name. People have an image of McLaren propagated by their F1 (and for a good reason too) so this car will probably have to live up to that. I'm not saying it would have to be like the F1 or better that that, what I am saying is that it will have to be ground breaking and different, just like the F1 was when it was launched. *crosses fingers*

Hmm if it is as far advanced as the F1 was (will take some doing) then it will take the opposition some time to catch up.

I just read that Gordon Murray has nothing to do with this car... I change my mind, this car is doomed!!! :runaround: :banghead:

If I'm not mistaken, the F1 was the brainchild of Murray and it is thanks to his perseverance that it is what is is now... The whole no compromises pure performance factor which created the F1 would be very hard to find.:disappoin

It's only chance is if the lead engineer has been indoctrinated with the Murray remit, but then in the early stages he had an open cheque book was only in the final productionisation stages that accountants became involved.

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I just think, if McLaren were to make another supercar, they should aim it at the Veyron performance-wise. I know this seems obvious, but sod aiming it at the F430/Gallardo/911 Turbo. Everyone and their mum knows the McLaren F1 was the world's fastest car for a long time, and even if McLaren weren't focusing on top speed back then, they should do now.

yes and if they focus on F430 etc it wont be as exclusive as the F1 is...

yes and if they focus on F430 etc it wont be as exclusive as the F1 is...
very true, But theres a very important question to ask here... are they aiming for exclusivity or for numbers? I would say the latter, but thats just me... :2cents:

Thanks rr_ww

It's cool to dream about a new F1 but there are two problems :
1) to sell 1M$ car is difficult
2) the comparison with the F1 created by Gordon Murray with total liberty !

I think McLaren can enter in F430 or 599 category and must add something like weight, three-seaters position, low emissions, gearbox manual or sequential with 7 gears...

Phil

I just think, if McLaren were to make another supercar, they should aim it at the Veyron performance-wise. I know this seems obvious, but sod aiming it at the F430/Gallardo/911 Turbo. Everyone and their mum knows the McLaren F1 was the world's fastest car for a long time, and even if McLaren weren't focusing on top speed back then, they should do now.

I don't think the Veyron is a good target. I would much rather see a car that can beat the Veyron around a track then in top speed. I'd like to see it be an even higher end version of the Pagani Zonda F. Mid-engined, RWD, NA V12 (based on BMW's M5/M6 V10 and the M3's V8), 600-700hp, and try to keep the weight around 3,000lbs or under. I don't want to see the next McLaren be a fat pig of a car like the Veyron is.

Hi,
Can't wait to see the pictures as I am always fasinated with the cars right from my childhood. This forum is very helpful to get all the information by the members.Thanks for this....

Aiming fr a top speed is largely academic these days with the ever increasing move to satelite tracking of cars. I fast see a time when any vehicle will be tatgeted as soon as the spy in the sky sees it exceeding the prevailing speed limit. Would make far better sense to make a car that will go point to point over a variety of roads faster than a Veyron.
Saying that lets enjoy our fast toys while we still can lol.

Jay Leno weighs in on a new "McLaren":

From The Sunday Times
September 16, 2007

McLaren, the supercar sequel
Jay Leno

I’m very proud of the fact my mother was a British subject and so it’s no surprise I have an interest in cars from Britain. For all the talk of Italian cars and their passion and German cars and their engineering the general consensus is that the greatest car of the 20th century was the McLaren F1. It is an all-English car, built by Englishmen in England.

I have just been reading through a car magazine that has a story and pictures of what they believe is the next McLaren road car, what they are calling the P11.

If it is true that is very exciting. But sequels can always be a bit dodgy. The Godfather Part II was terrific, George Bush the Second not so much.

But my fear is, in an attempt to cater to a market like America, where people like to drive and to eat – “Excuse me, is there a cupholder in it?” – that replicating the F1 will be hard.

My biggest complaint about the Mercedes-McLaren SLR, which like the F1 I also have, is that it is a little heavy. My rear end is not so big that it needs an electric motor in the seat to move it 2½ inches forwards and backwards. But being a Mercedes it had to have it. It had to have Bluetooth and all this other stuff too. One of the big mistakes of the Bugatti Veyron was it was automatic so you could drive it to the shops. I mean, why would I want to drive it to the market?

The thing that made the McLaren F1 great was the fact that it was built with no adherence to cost. To me the greatest vehicles have been one-person visions. Be they Ferrari or Bugatti or Bentley. Gordon Murray, the designer of the F1, is the last person to be able to have a car be his personal vision. It was built with no compromise.

The great thing about the F1 is the sense of theatre. You press the button and the door rises. You flip up the fighter-plane-type switch to start it. Also, the F1 is considered the ultimate more for what it doesn’t have than what it does have. It doesn’t have power steering, power brakes, paddle shifters. It doesn’t even have a radio.

I would hate to see the new McLaren lose that theatre and the mechanicalness of the F1. I hope it has a proper gearshift. I hope they do not assume people do not know how to drive any more.

I would like to see it totally carbon fibre. One thing they could not do with the F1 was have carbon brakes. They were not perfected then. But the F1 has all the finest bits learnt from making racing cars in the 20th century, including the best possible engine.

Normally aspirated. No turbo. V12. Perfectly balanced.

For too long the Italians and the Germans have sat at the top of the supercar heap. This is the chance for the English to put everything they know into a proper supercar. It would be wonderful to see the supercar crown go back to where it belongs.

With McLaren’s attention to detail the P11 will be terrific but I imagine this one will be geared more towards F430s and high-end Porsche 911s. I doubt this will be a million-dollar car like the F1.

I would love to get one, just because of the heritage of it. But I’d hate to see this thing have four booming speakers and a sat nav and a DVD player because they feel the audience expects it. It’s tricky though. How many people want the ultimate driving car? McLaren has proved once it can build that car. I hope it can make lightning strike twice.

>8^)
ER

"...sequels can always be a bit dodgy. The Godfather Part II was terrific, George Bush the Second not so much."
:iagree:

...I imagine this one will be geared more towards F430s and high-end Porsche 911s. I doubt this will be a million-dollar car like the F1.

Despite how much we all want another "F1", as hard as it might be to imagine McLaren building anything but the best, I have to agree with the above statement. Most likely it will be an entry level sports car to compete with the Porsches, Ferraris, and Lambos...that is a much safer market, just my :2cents:.