which one do you think would win in a race on track or darg racing.

iy would be close but i go wit da skyline

cause the skyline is awd so it get better traction off the line also i think da skyline is lighter and da skyline got a higher redine den the supra so it would give it more time 2 make boost,

on the track i dont no cause it would be hard 2 drive a 1300 hp car!!!!!

:smoker2: :smoker2:

seriously learn how to type. i feel dumber just by reading your post.

anyway id say the skyline would rape the supe off the line. but for top end the supra would own. the supra handles better than the skyline and the weight isnt a major factor they are pretty much the same. it all comes down to gearing. id say if it was from a roll thats where the real race would be. the skyline gets it legs snapped out from under it loosing that off the line advantage. also i remember a 1200hp skyline running a 9.5+ quarter and a 1100 ran a 10.2 something. seems to be a slight lean towards the supra here. less power and only half second diff? the AWD should make that much larger. and the supra has a much higher trap speed. so in a top speed race from a stop the supra would win. by the time 160-180 comes around they would be even with the supra still going.

:p nice one 11 sec. mr 2 but for the raceing i think that they would be quite close. it would be quite spectacular to watch though !! i didn't know you could tune a supra up to 1300 hp though:bonghitte

I know the Skylines engine can handle that kind of horse power even 1400hp. Im pretty sure the Supras cant handle 1300hp, the most i have seen is 1100, but the supra store.com sells a stage 6 kit that is 1300hp so maybe im wrong.

Well Well Well....
the Skyline will get da 1/4 quartermile and 1 mile, but TOPSPEED, all goes to Supra. If ya dont believe me you can check out one of my skylines in www.exvitermini.com, go there and you'll see. Skylines at 1300 HP at AWD drive launch could kill any Exotic/Sport cars, Supra TT has the TOPSPEED.

This question makes me :cry:

yeah ive seen a 1200hp supra so im sure 1300 isnt too hard. but who knows. and yeah the cars would be equal if it wasnt for the AWD. but even from a roll id say the AWD skyline would have less tire spin than the supra.

I have no idea who would win that race but I have seen a stock supra versus a stock skyline on a video and the skyline pulled away at first but the supra caught up at the last minute:confused:

these questions are the most retarded of all on AF. what do you think? supra will cause some wheel spin, skyline will have less.

true the supra would always have wheelspin and the skyline might have trouble turning with all that power going through 4wd so i actually dont have a clue!!!???:devil: :bloated:

on a track race i'm pretty sure the skyline would win because the supra hitting turns at high speeds or with that much power to the wheels would cause it to spin. going into the turn slow is good but, coming out a high revs would cause it to spin. the GT-R wouldn't. but this is not acurate and the supra would kick the skylines A$$ in the long run!:greenchai

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
I know the Skylines engine can handle that kind of horse power even 1400hp. Im pretty sure the Supras cant handle 1300hp, the most i have seen is 1100, but the supra store.com sells a stage 6 kit that is 1300hp so maybe im wrong.
Yes u WRONG!!!@Top fuel it didnt take very much @ all to get 800ps from2JZ.over 1000 is common in Jap and are da quickest on track, and are fast in drag trim -also86mm stroke on std. supra compared to 71.7mm of throw on sky clearly shows the supra torque capability @ any rev range.It is much easier to make a quick supra dan sky.-cool.
:flash::hehe::flash:

Sigh....listen up n00bs.


The only person even remotley close to having a clue here is the MR2 person and the guy that gave the link to exvitermini.com, but i have a hard time beliveing you that those Skylines and 8th SIN are yours, because to tune a car that incredible surely takes more grammar skills and inteligence. Plus, everything on that website is measured in the metric system. You know, litres, kw, etc? I doubt they use it in Minnesota(yes i read where you're from) and talk with an english or australian accent like in the video of the R33 taking off at 120 mph.
And with enough money to be making 3 Skylines, a Supra, and a WRX tuned from 600-1400 HP a piece, I doubt you'd be driving an Eclipse GSX.

Anyways, my point is yes, it comes down to gearing. If the Supra had a 4.11 rear end and the Skyline only had a 3.54, of course the Supra would win in a drag race. Assuming that each car is equal in HP figures, it wouldnt matter if they both had 1300 HP or 300 HP. This is because the race results woud be the same depending on the other factors, such as gearing, weight, Rear Drive/All Drive, shifting skill, etc etc etc.

However, if we are assuming that all things are remaining equal, such as each car weighted the same, had the same power, geared the same, etc, then what the fuck kind of question is that? It's like asking which car would win between the oh-so-common Stock Civic versus Stock Civic. If the cars are the same in all those areas, like stock Civics, then there is no telling which one would win.

i'm with the supra all the way..

i actually saw a supra vs skyline with each at about 1000 hp.. skyline won

ive seen supras tuned up to 1450 though- JUN

http://www.toyota-supra.com/toyota-supra-desktops/desktop-3-1024x768.jpg
:smoker2:

Originally posted by J_Spec_NiTeMaRe
Sigh....listen up n00bs.


The only person even remotley close to having a clue here is the MR2 person and the guy that gave the link to exvitermini.com, but i have a hard time beliveing you that those Skylines and 8th SIN are yours, because to tune a car that incredible surely takes more grammar skills and inteligence. Plus, everything on that website is measured in the metric system. You know, litres, kw, etc? I doubt they use it in Minnesota(yes i read where you're from) and talk with an english or australian accent like in the video of the R33 taking off at 120 mph.
And with enough money to be making 3 Skylines, a Supra, and a WRX tuned from 600-1400 HP a piece, I doubt you'd be driving an Eclipse GSX.

Anyways, my point is yes, it comes down to gearing. If the Supra had a 4.11 rear end and the Skyline only had a 3.54, of course the Supra would win in a drag race. Assuming that each car is equal in HP figures, it wouldnt matter if they both had 1300 HP or 300 HP. This is because the race results woud be the same depending on the other factors, such as gearing, weight, Rear Drive/All Drive, shifting skill, etc etc etc.

However, if we are assuming that all things are remaining equal, such as each car weighted the same, had the same power, geared the same, etc, then what the fuck kind of question is that? It's like asking which car would win between the oh-so-common Stock Civic versus Stock Civic. If the cars are the same in all those areas, like stock Civics, then there is no telling which one would win. U r a pretty smart nobb.:flash: :smoker: :flash:

slix,
you said you seen supra's and skyline's run at each other over 1000hps, but think about it, awd against rwd, maybe the supras did lose, but in the other hand supras wins. No offense.

I think it would be an excellent race. The skyline would win in the 1/4 mile, and the Supra in top speed. It all depends on the lenght of the race.

Well Well Well....
the Skyline will get da 1/4 quartermile and 1 mile, but TOPSPEED, all goes to Supra. If ya dont believe me you can check out one of my skylines in www.exvitermini.com, go there and you'll see. Skylines at 1300 HP at AWD drive launch could kill any Exotic/Sport cars, Supra TT has the TOPSPEED.


are you fucking serious?

you're 14.

now you own a skyline.


if you don't believe me...
damn.


amazing.




in the long run.
it comes down to the gearing as to who is faster overall.

you can make a supra handle just as good as a skyline. there's amazing suspensions out there...

if you wanna get tech on the handling, the supras in jgtc have been beating the skylines, so what does that say?

outhandles it, right?

if you take it to extremes like that... yeah.

the skyline is not god however. sorry.

Are you guys telling me that these cars can handle over 1000 horsepower or am i reading incorrectly???

if you're seeing words, and they read out to be 1000hp, then yes, you're reading right.

supras and skylines can take alot of hp, 600+, on stock internals.

yes, these are modded cars we're talking about.

and yes, they can get that kinda hp.

anything else?

Originally posted by flylwsi
if you're seeing words, and they read out to be 1000hp, then yes, you're reading right.

supras and skylines can take alot of hp, 600+, on stock internals.

yes, these are modded cars we're talking about.

and yes, they can get that kinda hp.

anything else?

Smartass.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: J/K :D :D

not completely...

there's some honest to goodness truth in that post...

Yea i was thinking the same thing pick, but thanks anyway. i be sure to read more carefully next time.

you may want to check into the website www.exvitermini.com, as they've got some nice high hp skylines there...

and www.mkiv.com for supras... you'll be amazed at what kinda power these cars put out...

What give them this incredible output ability. I've never heard of Porshe, Lamb., ferraris... anywhere even close to this. Except of course prototypes which i wouldn't bother counting.

they're well built motors.

they're only in these cars... just like your special built porsche turbo motors...

designed for mass power...

they weren't designed like most honda motors, as compromises. they're designed to make a ton of power, and are easily upgraded.

without getting really deep into it, they're overengineered and can be beaten pretty well...

well one the supra is called the Dawg by most supra owners cause they are dogs off the line. and they are too heavy to really do anything major in autocross. but in top end or high speed cornering its second to none. these cars are highway queens. hell a stock 7M-GTE 230hp 89+ Mk3 supra can reach 160mph with reletively[sp] no problem. and ive heard of Mkiv TT supras seeing 230+top ends. ive heard that if they take the automatic rear end gear and the 6spd top gear ratio that 250mph is theroetical.

the motors are inline 6's so they are naturally balanced and are torque monsters. also because they are inline this is why the stock blocks can reach such high power and not give. i do not know much about skylines given that there arent many in the US but i know my share about supras. so in that respect i know what im saying. the fastest supra so far is a 7.31 but the fastest street legal is still the 9.12 set by the 1200hp full int. stock bottom end 2jz with a single turbo upgrade and drag radials. ive seen mid 9 second skylines but they had gutted int. and drag slicks. if someone can direct me to a link or even better a video of one doing this on drag radials with full int. then ill say itll win. but im going to have to say until then that in a drag race from a roll or a dig that no matter what the supra will be able to out accelerate the skyline to the finsih line. you have to remember that with the 4wd the effiency of th drivetrain goes down the toilet and even with the jump the AWD has off the line because of the extra drag from the added gearing the skyline will have more of a drag that the supra doesnt have to deal with. so the supra inevitably will win.

AWD makes a HUUGGGE difference, I know of a 1000Hp supra on street tyres doing 9's but the wheels spin the whole way.
In an Australian magazine they did a comparo between a Commodore GTS which has the GEN3 5.7L V8 engine and an R34 GTR. The GTR had 279RWKW and the GTS had 290RWKW and they both weigh around the same and the GTR would beat it every time. Even from a rolling start.
There is also a 1400HP GTR that does 7.6sec 1/4 miles, can anyone say H.....K.....S?
I would say a GTR would beat the Supra simply because of ATESSA, but supras engine is better and stronger.

Originally posted by flylwsi




.

you can make a supra handle just as good as a skyline. there's amazing suspensions out there...

if you wanna get tech on the handling, the supras in jgtc have been beating the skylines, so what does that say?

outhandles it, right?

if you take it to extremes like that... yeah.

the skyline is not god however. sorry.




the skylines in the jgtc should not be considered in this comparo. why you ask? they are only 2wd because of the R32 winning 18 out of 18 races in its debut year with AWD and HICAS 4 wheel steering. plus the supras in the jgtc are running 3sgtes (yes 4 cyliners.) putting a lot of the weight more towards the center unlike the skylines using inline 6s. but now that the skylines are using the V6s they are winning a lot more races.

i'm with the supra all the way..


I RECKON BOTH CARS WOULD LOOSE TO A PUSH BIKE, EVEN IF THE PUSH BIKE HAD A FLAT TIRES IT WOULD WIN HANDS DOWN.

SUPRA of course,,, love ur own! LOL

well this dosnt help but I was at the drags the other night
two RZ supras slightly modded with drag slicks 12sec passes
skyline drag car with RB30DET 10's

the skyline was runing only rwd using drag slicks, used to have a RB25det (92 GTR)

somethen else to look at... (this car has now done a 8.55sec)
http://www.croydons.co.nz/godzilla.htm

the supra would trash the skyline supras handle better and r faster.but for u that r confused about the hp i have seen 1500hp out of a skyline and 1300hp out of a street legal supra

Well my 2cents are the supra... Think about it. the skyline is normally a rwd until the car detects slip then it begins the give just enough power to the front tires so that the rear tires grip. so if both cars have slicks on, the skylines awd would be more of a downfall than a benefit. the drivetrain after the first 20ft will just be a drag on the motor. diminishing hp and tq by just a lil bit. but the supra has no such loss. so it actually would produce slightly more power pushng it faster to make up for the loss off the line. this is why 1000+hp supras and skylines run damn near the same ET's. this is also the reason that the supra has a better top end. along with slightly longer gears the engine doesnt have anything holding it back. once the skyline is off the line the awd factor is useless.

Second of all to support my prediction is, there is a Best Motoring video showing i believe the Rx-7, Supra a skyline r-34 and two other cars i can't really remember. Well this video was an actual track including turns and straight through's,and believe it or not the supra did infact come in first, followed by the skyline. Its available at racingflix.com, just gotta look for it that's all.

Also the Veilside supra vs the veliside skyline, the supra did win that too, in which it was a 1km stretch.

And for the people who posted previously who claimed that the 2jz can't handle 1300hp? if thats so well i have a 1200-1220 approximate rwhp dyno chart for you, which easily pushes 1400+ at the crank.. sooo yea thats my 2cents!.. in the end both amazing cars, and i dont look at it as competition between the two, as long as they both rape american muscle im happy!! in which they do all the time!

Uggg... these posts are a waste of bandwidth, arguing over cars you'll never have or drive and probably never even see in real life. :disappoin Any engine, within reason, can handle that amount of HP, it's just how long it will hande it before it explodes, pointless IMO if you have 1000+RWHP but have to rebuild the engine after every few runs. By the way, about the best motoring video, the only reason the GTR lost is because he spun out the S15 and had to stop, Supra was 3rd at the time.

O.K.... well to the response to the person above.

1) your actually wrong, the video YOU are talking about is "JDM SuperCar Battle
Tuned Supra, R-34 GT-R, Rx-7, and Silvia in a 5-lap road race", yea which the driver in the skyline did rear end the Silvia. But thats not the video im talkign about, this video I am talking about is "Battle in Tsukuba
MR2 GTS, Supra, Rx-7, Skyline GT-R V-Spec, NSX, NSX-T, and a Porsche 911 battle it out on a road-race track." in which the supra did beat the skyline fair and square, not hitting, no burn outs. So maybe you need to check that out before you post.

2) As a person with "supra" in your name im suprised you put down that load of crap of "being rebuilt after a few runs" maybe you should look at
"http://www.racingflix.com/featuredride.asp"; and see taht this mkIV supra is running 980RWHP on a completely stock block, go check it out for yourself, its a matter of time before he breaks the 1000rwhp mark.You dont see him re building it everytime he does runs do u? this is a street legal everyday car. Not to mention you shoudl know Supras can run tons of hp on a stock block just fine with out rebuilding.

Oh and just for the record, a dude down the street from me has a single T66 turbo running 600rwhp in a quicksilver supra. So i have infact SEEN a supra and drove one too.

first off whoever ae86turbo is, i honestly laughed at your reply at the question, you can barley type, now what would make me think you know the slightest bit of anything about cars, no the skyline is not a lot lighter its actualy about that weight of a supra, the supra is geared too long to catch back up to speed after the skyline rapped it on the take off, but on top speed the supra would have it. o, and ae86turbo, please dont post anymore messages on here again unless its something you know about.

"Wow.. you sure showed me :rolleyes: "Tsukuba Battle" has a 350Z and a bunch of
other stock peices of crap, although it does have a R34 in it which comes in
first although it was just a camera car. I can also gauruntee that the "980hp"
supra is not running that number daily like you say, especially on a stock
block. Yes MKIV's can run "tons of hp on a stock block just fine with out
rebuilding", tons of HP is subjective and a crapilly tuned engine isn't going to
last long. It's no load of crap, most all highly competitive drag racers rebuild
the engines after every few runs, from Supras, to top fuel, to custom blocked
honduhs. Just for the record i honestly don't give a shit about that guy down
the street, my comment was directed towward a "1300hp Supra and a 1300HP
skyline". I'm done wasting my breath, have a nice life."

Ok here we have a typical retarded n00b at its best. First of all if you didnt "give a shit" about the supra down the street that i last said, why the fuk did u say in ur previous statement "arguing over cars you'll never have or drive and probably never even see in real life". Like if you didnt care why the hell did u say that bullshit? cuz ur a retarded moron who doesnt think before he posts?... probably... also why the hell would u criticize the 980rwhp supra, what makes u think u know its not running stock cuz u think u know all the knowledge? i bet u haven't even completed grade 12 physics. Ur dumb ass is saying stupid things like "its not running stock", look moron, check out his video, check out his actual photo graphs, check out half the shit he actually has to say. The engine is a stock block, along with many other supra engines out there that can pull that shit aswell. To conclude, straight up, ur a retard! . End of discussion.

Cute.. just cute, see, if you "thought before you posted" you would have seen that I deleted the post because I was being the bigger man and backing off, instead of continuing the flame fest like your doing :disappoin . I don't see how mounting personal attacks against me and calling me names will solve anything. I chose to stay here and help new owners with there problems, once in a while i have a keyboard warrior like yourself come around acting hatefull towards me. Trying to disprove everything I say because why, why is it that all 3 of your posts are trying to flame me? Get over yourself, if your so much more knowledable than I am then why don't you build a 980hp MKIV, instead of copying my post into WORD for almost a week while you think of your best comback. :rolleyes:

ok there cool guy!!!

1) never say cute especially on a automotive forum... (it makes u look gay)

2) by using ur DIRECT words, better supports what im saying, by showing what ur saying is complete bullshit.. now dont get me wrong i respect peoples opinions, i really do... provided they have some sort of logical background behind it with support. You just THINK what u want, cuz it probably satisfies urself... welllll maybe that'll do it for you, but it doesnt prove wat ur saying is right.

Also keyboard warrier? haha buddy im at school everyday, i havent been on here foR a good 4 days... today is the first time..

Why dont i build a 2jz? Well for 1 im a student at the unviersity full time.. so unfortunately no time.. but when i get out, ill be sure TO do it thank you very much :D

lol its sooo funny reading this, but i got the answers for u all! skylines-shit, supras-crap. i've driven a supra many times before but a couple weeks ago i got the new bmw 5 series 535i, omfg i love the car it looks great, its fast, comfortable and u can use it as an every day car, who ever sayd using supra for an every day car is a total moron, their insides are shit and with all this useless horsepower the car will die in a couple months plus y need 1000hp and go 220 mph? when u can only do 70 on the freeway.

f***ing teenagers

lol its sooo funny reading this, but i got the answers for u all! skylines-shit, supras-crap. i've driven a supra many times before but a couple weeks ago i got the new bmw 5 series 535i, omfg i love the car it looks great, its fast, comfortable and u can use it as an every day car, who ever sayd using supra for an every day car is a total moron, their insides are shit and with all this useless horsepower the car will die in a couple months plus y need 1000hp and go 220 mph? when u can only do 70 on the freeway.

"Listen. Read. Think. Calm Down. Relax. Shut the fuck up." -Bill Hicks

Take this quote into consideration. Now, I accept that you may have a different taste in cars than the others here, but that doesn't warrant saying something stupid as you just did. Why wouldn't you use a Supra as a daily driver? In my experience, both are very enjoyable rides, even on the streets, usually exceeding the speed limits by at least 80km/h.

Also, if you bothered to read the other posts, you would've realised that these people are talking about cars built up specifically for race application, so, there is a use in having 1000+hp and going 220+mph.

*End rant*

Now, more on the topic, I think it comes down to the way that both cars are tuned and what has been done to them otherwise, such as weight reduction, etc. This is because, when it comes down to 10th's/100ths of a second, everything counts. For some reason I'm leaning towards the Supra though, not sure why.

You all seem to be forgetting one thing: AWD = huge power loss from engine to wheels. And I'm assuming we're saying 1300HP each at the engine. The supra will lose, being generous, 15% of that power once it makes it to the wheels, in first gear. So we're talking a loss of 195HP, which is still 1105HP at the rear wheels. I don't know what kinda torque we're talkin about, but let's assume the torque at the engine is also the same.
Now with the R34, in an AWD, your power loss is gonna be a little more than double that. So give or take 30%, or 390HP loss. So you're really talking about an 1100rwhp supra vs a 900awhp R34. And as you go up through the gears, the power loss gets greater and greater. I'd say in a 0-60, or 100ft, skyline, no question. 1/8 mile, it's a toss up. 1/4, supra would take it for sure.

1300 HP each at the wheels, results would be a little different. But good luck building a driveline for either car that could handle that much. You're talking around 1850HP@flywheel in the skyline to put that kinda power to the ground.


-Biggie!

whats with everyone asking if a skyline is faster or a supra is faster. on those two the skyline is.

I don't think he means in a stock form, if we're talking about 1300 HP. Between the two, in a 1/4 or 1/2mile race, i'd put my money on the supra.

-Biggie!

i'd have to say that the r34 would kick some ass. you're missing a few important factors in you're equation there Big Yellow Monkey. First of all, a r34 has a unique AWD system. Its not full time AWD as in a WRX for instance. Instead, it is primarily a RWD car, UNTIL there is a loss of traction in the rear wheels. As soon as the rear wheels loose traction, the front wheels kick in until the rear wheel gain traction again. So that 390hp loss that you talk about is on a very limited timeframe. That temporary 390hp loss will actually benefit the car because of the added traction. That is why the skyline would win.

the r34 is also 30kg lighter by the way. so that and the ET-S drivetrain, its not even a competition.

Hahahahahahahaha... 30 kg = 66 lbs. That's NOT gonna win the race for the skyline.
Yeah, I know how the skyline's drivetrain and transmission work. If it was a full-time AWD like a WRX, I wouldn't be saying 30% power loss. I'd be talking more like 40%-ish. Look at an STi on a dyno... 300hp@flywheel, somewhere around 178 on an AWD dyno.
And the skyline's power loss, while it will mean less loss of traction, doesn't give it an advantage. That's like saying my grandma's automatic corolla would kick both their asses because there's no way it would spin off the line.

In a 0-60, skyline would take it. 100ft, skyline would take it. 1/8 mile, skyline would take it by a very short distance. Anything longer than that, I'd put my money on the supra. Betting on a half mile, I'd lay down a lot of money.

-Biggie!

That's like saying my grandma's automatic corolla would kick both their asses because there's no way it would spin off the line.


Thats not what i was saying at all. I dont know how you came up with that retarded corolla analogy, but that has nothing to do with what i was saying and makes no sense at all. I was saying that because the skyline is AWD, it will have more traction off the line giving it an advantage. How is that anything like a p.o.s. corolla not having enough power to spin the tires? And i know that 30kg wont win a race for the skyline, the superior drivetrain will however. Once the skyline is off the line, the front wheels are no longer used for power, it is the rear only. Like i said, that 30% power loss is only off the line. After that, it is back to the 15% power loss, just like the supra.
And the numbers that you use are way off anyway. If a supra has 15% power loss, a WRX would have around 27%, not 40??? There is a smaller power loss at the front wheels than there is at the rear. So if the rear would lose 15%, the front would maybe lose 12% or 13%. 15+12=27, not 40.
All in all the skyline would still win, because it would take the lead off the line, thats not even arguable, and then it would keep the lead because the power loss would be the same between both vehicles.

Just because you're going from sending power to all 4 wheels to only sending it to 2, doesn't mean you're getting your efficiency back. The very nature of an all wheel drive drivetrain is that there is a lot of power loss involved. Yes, you get a little bit of efficiency back, but it's not like a magical transmission swap to an RWD tranny. Oh, and another thing... That 15% power loss on the supra was being generous. Realistically, in the 6 speed model, you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10%. And with the skyline, I was being generous in the other direction.
But back to the AWD thing. Yes, the skyline has the obvious advantage off the line. My "corolla analogy" was due to the fact that you said the skyline's power loss due to the inefficiency of its transmission gave it an advantage, inferring that the lack of tire spin made it faster off the line.
That temporary 390hp loss will actually benefit the car because of the added traction. That is why the skyline would win.
^^ that's the one i'm talking about. Yeah, the 390HP loss probably is temporary. You might only lose 300HP once it shifts back to 2wd. Yeah, it's true that a WRX would have the same loss all the time because it's a full-time AWD system. But the skyline's power loss is not only attributed to the fact that power is actually making it to the back wheels. Like I said, that's the nature of AWD transmissions. Whether they're in AWD or not, they're losing more power than a full-time 2WD. And no, they're not like a Jeep or something like that with a switchable transfer case, where you can go from full time 4 wheel to full time 2 wheel. It's a self-adjusting system, or (I believe, this could be wrong) you can set the power ratio (F/R) to different ratios, how you want, max 50% in the front. But that requires some new electronics etc. With the drivetrain being stock from that side of things, I'd still put my money on the supra in anything 1/4 mile or longer.

And don't even get me started on how much higher the supra's top speed is than the skylines, which really comes into play when you're on a drag strip in a 1300HP car (running low 11's@140-170 MPH).

-Biggie!

hmmmm, i was under the impression that after the wheels regained traction that it switched to rwd much like a transfer case therefore eliminating the extra power loss. if you say it is otherwise, then i guess i'll believe you.

My "corolla analogy" was due to the fact that you said the skyline's power loss due to the inefficiency of its transmission gave it an advantage, inferring that the lack of tire spin made it faster off the line.

I didnt say the inefficiency of its transmission gave it an advantage, i said that the added traction would give it an advantage. Sure to get this added traction, the transmission had to be less efficient, but it is still faster due to the added traction that you get off the line. That is what i was trying to say. Not that it was faster because it was inefficient.

Anyway, after this has all been said and done, if you are in fact right about the AWD stuff, i will still say that a skyline would win in anything shorter than 1/4 mile, but anything further than that i will say supra.

To be like a manual transfer case, you have to roll the car at 2-5 km/h (not stopped, but almost), put it in neutral, and move it from all time 4wd to (on some SUV's they have 4low) to all time 2 (rear) wheel drive. It's not something that happens on the fly. So unless you do it that way, or with an electronic transfer (4wd button on the dash), it's not going to let you get much, if any at all, of that efficiency back once it transfers power back to only the rear wheels. All it does is transfers something like 99% of the power to the rear wheels, and 1% to the front wheels. So really, it's changing the ratio, not doing any kind of actual drivetrain changes. It's almost impossible to come across a system that changes automatically and completely from a 4wd to 2wd based on rear wheel slippage.

I could be wrong. I guess the only way to find out is if someone builds me a 1300HP skyline and supra to have a run down the drag strip. But I wouldn't lay your life savings down on the skyline.

-Biggie!

I think u are al loosing the plot with this thread

Supra is one of the best performance cars ever built does everyone agree. this car is built to be taken to extreme HP and survive.
Skyline is also one of the best built performance race cars in the world and i think it is amazing the work taht has been put into the awd system.

I am totaly into this thread cause i myslef am a devoted supra fan but i have no idea which would win if both equalled in HP but it still depends on which enginew puts out the most torque as well. not to mention what i think is also one of the most important factors, driver skill... would u not agree

but im not trying to bad anyone i know the next post is gonna say that thats not what this post is about cause i know they are totaly different cars with totally different parts, adn the answer to the real question is i really have know ****ing idea

anyway i said what i wanted to say
feel free to burn me and pay me out about my beliefs..lol

If the engines were modified in a similar fashion to achieve similar horsepower, and since they're both inline-6's, you could assume the torque would be quite similar.

-Biggie!

Jesus christ this thread is still going? This is the stupidest argument I have ever seen. Stock for stock, Skylines handle better and Supras go faster. Supras can be made to handle 900+ wheel horsepower with stock bottom ends, do your research. Skylines on the other hand usually make about 600 to the wheels before blowing something up. The mark4 Supras are just rediculously overbuilt. Skylines have more purpose and form, while the Supra is a power-hungry "dawg." God that's so gay.

which one do you think would win in a race on track or darg racing. i think the skyline would win because it throws out more tq