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11-08-2006, 07:15 AM
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fuel return
im putting a v8 with FI and a inline pump and a return style regulator on my 84. should there already be a return line on this car? or do i have to get much more complicated. it had a 2bbl carb and a mechanical fuel pump.
thanks.
john
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11-08-2006, 10:05 AM
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Re: fuel return
Yes sirie bob.
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11-08-2006, 06:05 PM
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Re: fuel return
i asked this question about my truck that im restoring and apparently, the block mounted fuel pump with a carb setup does not need a return line as it has a pressure valve deal in the fuel pump to not make too much pressure. apparently it was just an early GM attempt to prevent vapor lock in the fuel lines. for your FI setup i have no idea but i would assume it's needed if you have the fuel pump in the tank?
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11-08-2006, 07:54 PM
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Re: fuel return
well i am installing a inline pump..so not in the tank....and a return style regulator so i have to have a return line...if i dont have one, how and where do i put it?
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1984 Camaro 5.7L 350
700R4
Holley 650 Cfm
Edelbrock Performer Intake-Manifold
Crane Cams Duration @ .050": 204/214 Lift:420/442
Summit HEI Distributor
Hedman Shorty Headers
Hedman Y-pipe
Dynomax Turbo cat-back
NOS Decal
VTEC Decal
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11-09-2006, 09:46 AM
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Re: fuel return
you just run it alongside the main fuel line, keeping it away from the exhaust and other stuff... my trucks original return line runs on the inside of the passenger framerail along with the main line and the vapor canister line. these are all metal tubes and at each end there is fuel line connecting them to wherever they need to be connected
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11-09-2006, 08:47 PM
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Re: fuel return
how do i get my new return line ( if i have to run an entire new one) into the tank???
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1984 Camaro 5.7L 350
700R4
Holley 650 Cfm
Edelbrock Performer Intake-Manifold
Crane Cams Duration @ .050": 204/214 Lift:420/442
Summit HEI Distributor
Hedman Shorty Headers
Hedman Y-pipe
Dynomax Turbo cat-back
NOS Decal
VTEC Decal
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11-11-2006, 11:49 PM
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Re: fuel return
all i have figured out so far is that i probably dont have a return line........still the question remains... how do i get a return line into the tank???
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1984 Camaro 5.7L 350
700R4
Holley 650 Cfm
Edelbrock Performer Intake-Manifold
Crane Cams Duration @ .050": 204/214 Lift:420/442
Summit HEI Distributor
Hedman Shorty Headers
Hedman Y-pipe
Dynomax Turbo cat-back
NOS Decal
VTEC Decal
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11-12-2006, 03:35 AM
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Re: fuel return
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Originally Posted by Jcrane88
all i have figured out so far is that i probably dont have a return line........still the question remains... how do i get a return line into the tank???
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Well, you could try going to the junkyard and getting a sending unit from an F body that had FI. The sender includes the top sealing plate for the tank with all of the lines needed (pressure line, return line, vent line, charcoal cannister vapor return line) plus it will have the brackets for mounting an in-tank pump (something to think about for making it all look factory).
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11-13-2006, 11:07 AM
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Re: fuel return
yeah its that simple. just get the right number of outlets and youll be fine
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11-13-2006, 05:07 PM
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Re: fuel return
well things cant be this easy
i opened up my trusty haynes manual ( not really) and flipped to the fuel and exhaust sytems for carbureted engines chapeter and it shows a picture of the fule line and labeled one as a return ...i crawled underneath my car and i have those fuel lines...i traced the one labeled return all the wayy to the engine bay. and its plugged into...ready?? NOTHING........can it really be this easy or is soemthing wrong??
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1984 Camaro 5.7L 350
700R4
Holley 650 Cfm
Edelbrock Performer Intake-Manifold
Crane Cams Duration @ .050": 204/214 Lift:420/442
Summit HEI Distributor
Hedman Shorty Headers
Hedman Y-pipe
Dynomax Turbo cat-back
NOS Decal
VTEC Decal
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11-13-2006, 06:08 PM
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Re: fuel return
S/b coming off the charcoal canister in one of the fender wells then going back to the tank.
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11-13-2006, 07:03 PM
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Re: fuel return
no..........i have all the correct vapor and ventilation lines connected
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1984 Camaro 5.7L 350
700R4
Holley 650 Cfm
Edelbrock Performer Intake-Manifold
Crane Cams Duration @ .050": 204/214 Lift:420/442
Summit HEI Distributor
Hedman Shorty Headers
Hedman Y-pipe
Dynomax Turbo cat-back
NOS Decal
VTEC Decal
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11-13-2006, 07:27 PM
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Re: fuel return
yeah i double checked. if you have a haynes manual look yourself page 4a-2 illustration 5.12
it lists four hoses with picture. Under my car matches that picture exactly
1: Fuel feed
2:Fuel vapor
3: return
4 Ventilator (this ends just after leaving tank at a valve)
Ive known for a long time that carburetors dont need a return...the only thing i can think of is that they put that its for the crossfire injection, which of course my car dont have. but i cant explain it any other way.
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1984 Camaro 5.7L 350
700R4
Holley 650 Cfm
Edelbrock Performer Intake-Manifold
Crane Cams Duration @ .050": 204/214 Lift:420/442
Summit HEI Distributor
Hedman Shorty Headers
Hedman Y-pipe
Dynomax Turbo cat-back
NOS Decal
VTEC Decal
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11-14-2006, 10:20 AM
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Re: fuel return
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Originally Posted by Jcrane88
Ive known for a long time that carburetors dont need a return...
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Correct, when you're using a mechanical pump.
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11-20-2006, 09:39 AM
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Re: fuel return
well then just use an air compressor to blow all the dust and crap out of the unused return line and hook that heffer up!!! heh, my 73 chevy truck has the return line also that isnt hooked up. it was just a rinky dinky attempt to stop vapor lock
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