spharlow

are the '70 GTX and '70 RR both built off the satellite? I know originally the RR was the belvedere, but in 1970 I cant even tell the difference between the two.

MrPbody

All the "B" bodies are similar. The upper portion of the sheet metal is different between Dodge and Plymouth, but for the most part, mechanically, they are the same.

GTX was an option on the Belvedere in '67. So was Satellite. RR came along in '68, and as far as I know, all of them were Belvedere "based". That is, Belvedere was the el cheapo "entry level" car. Satellite was a more "luxurious" version, Road Runner was the "poor man's hot rod", and GTX was the killer-car.

Don't quote me on this, but it's the best I can recall.

Jim

PeteRR

They are both just Sport Satellites with better options available. That's why it's crazy when people take a perfectly nice Satellite and make a Road Runner clone out of it. Road Runner badges won't let you go faster.

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1968 Plymouth Road Runner
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KManiac

Here is my two cents, based on observations I made over my lifetime.

The Road Runner was the "cheap hot rod", a high-performance version of the Belvidere. Standard engine was the 383 four-barrel.

The GTX was the "high-priced hot rod", two steps above the Satellite and one step above the Sport Satellite. Standard engine was the 440 Magnum.

Another analogy is that the Road Runner was equivalent to the Dodge Coronet Super Bee and the GTX was equivalent to the Dodge Coronet R/T.

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Bob Ash

Yes, I agree with you, except one thing - Road Runner was in fact Sport Satellite with LESS options available. As far as I know, Road Runner was basically police interceptor with two doors and bird decals - no luxury whatsoever, it even had no carpets. That's why I always wanted GTX or Sport Satellite more...

And Road Runner badges don't make you run faster, but you got a car with cartoon bird and that's what counts )

PeteRR

I don't think you could order a big block in a Sport Satellite in '68. Maybe a 383 2-barrel, but definitely not a 440 or 426Hemi. A minor quibble, but Mopar didn't use the term "Police Interceptor". That's a FoMoCo thing.

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Bob Ash

I'm really unsure about 440, but I thought it was possible to have Hemi Sport Satellite - at least I read somewhere about 1967 one. Gotta find out ...

And I know that it wasn't official name - but I'm also used to call 9C1 Caprices "interceptor" (not with capital "I").

Bob Ash

Pete: checked that out, looks like you were right and there were no Hemi (and of course no 440) Satellites in '68. But there definitely were in 1967...

PeteRR

Thanks for that. Sometimes my memory doesn't play me wrong.

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451 Stroker + Keisler 5-Speed OD manual trans