jveik

i looked up the curb weight of a H1 to see just how much weight they lug around, and its almost 4 tons!!! (a little under 8000 pounds). the H2 is not far behind at over 6000 pounds/3 tons. If you ask me, thats outrageous that some people will buy these things and use them only for going to the gas station to buy some gas, drive back home, then drive back to the gas station to fill up on gas again lol.

To put the h1 and h2 in perspective, my family has a 30 foot "fifth-wheel" camper that weighs 7000 pounds. that includes all the furnishings and everything else from top to bottom. granted, the walls are made of aluminum on 2x4 studs, but the rest of the stuff really adds up. there is a huge frame under this thing holding it up and all kinds of stuff inside like a full stove and fridge and everything it takes for the 7 people in my family including me. the fact that the h1 is heavier than this 30 foot behemoth of a camper makes me laugh, and also the h2 isnt far off either. a couple of typical fat-asses and a full tank of gas would make up the difference and then some. (no offense to fat-asses out there lol. i get made fun of for being a skinny and lanky mo-fo, at 6 foot 1 and only 175 pounds,so i gotta even the score )

my point is that we dont really need to be driving around cars that weigh in at more than 2 times what similar cars back in the day weighed. for example, the 1973-1987 chevy trucks in c-10 form weigh a "fluffy" 3800 pounds dry curb weight. maybe a little over 4000 with gas and a driver. they can handle much more than any hummer in terms of trailering (especially with the 454 that was offered in c-10's back in the day, or their version of the 454ss lol). in fact, an old truck with a good-running straight 6 and a 4-on-the-floor manual can get almost 20 mpg in the city, compared to today's sedans of which some struggle to reach this mileage. also, the new ford mustangs weigh more than my truck, so theoretically, my truck would beat one in a race with the same power in the motor, except for the fact that trucks get horrible traction in the rear, so i would get my ass kicked, as well as aerodynamics... but still, its appaling to think that stuff is so heavy these days.

i gotta give some leway for the fact that safety standards are much higher these days, with sensors and airbags and different ways of building things that make them heavier, but i still dont buy the fact that cars are so much heavier just due to that. i have noticed that wheelbases and width's of cars have been getting bigger and bigger and cars are taller and taller. its just a thought lol

BlackGT2000

Well first off, take this in no way as a defense for the H2 and H3. Being in the Military I have had many opporitunities to test an H1. There is really no comparison its weight is a product of its capabilities. It will out tow a big block truck I am sure and we have proven that it will do better off road than a TJ jeep sport with a small lift and mud tires (not to mention a handful of other popular 4x4s). That thing is a beast. As for the Mustang.....Sure it got heavier but if you want a rigid chassis, lots of power and overall performance, and still be safe enough to pass standards....its going to be heavy. Your trucks engine and traction issues (as broad of a subject as that is) aren't the only thing separating it from a new mustang, not only in terms of performance but safety, structural rigidity, and comfort. So in short I am not disagreeing that cars are heavier these days, but I am also not taking issue with it.

Dyno247365

All I know is that the ride sucks, and I want one. I awlays thought it was cool and my uncle has a hummer.

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jveik

im not bagging on people that actually use the hummer for what it's made for. im bagging on people that just get a hummer for no reason and have a fit when there are rain spots on the paint they just had buffed and "oh no i dropped a french-fry between the seats!!!" these vehicles were not made for civilian road use, though off-road i bet they are good.

as for out-towing a big block, i agree with the military version probably being able to, but i guarantee that the civilain ones with their gm newer style v-8 or diesel engines (regular duramax i assume), cant do chicken squat compared to a big block that is made for towing, or against a regular truck with the same diesel motor that is 2k pounds lighter. obviously, these vehicles are capable of a lot in terms of the military versions, as in a 73 chevy truck would probably get blown up in 5 minutes in a combat zone, but on the street, where the only combat you have is trying to out-pimp your fellow drivers with the biggest rims and all that crap, the hummer just seems akward. ill stick with my old pickup thats rusted out with the 15 inch ralley's lol.

ShadowWulf2K

[quote=jveik]these vehicles were not made for civilian road use, though off-road i bet they are good.[\quote]

I'm not an expert on this but the feeling I get from the off-roading community is that many of them consider the H2 to be an abomination, like a "wannabe" off-road vehicle that sucks. But again, someone who know better please correct me if I'm wrong.

DentShop

Hummers are not that ridiculous. I have a Hummer H2 (2004) and it comes in very handy.

The pros:
Very fun to drive off road
Does not flip (safer)
I can run stuff over
Scares smaller car drivers

The cons:
Hard to drive in city
Looks weird
Scares hot chicks

All 'n' all, I have that and a 2007 Dodge Charger, the Charger is for the city and the Hummer is off road, I disagree with what you believe.

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drunken monkey

wait, did you just say you HAVE a 2007 dodge charger?

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jveik

lol heres one pro for the hummer... im assuming it has horrible braking compared to smaller cars, though any large vehicle would. but anyways, as for the pro i have for it, if one has a smaller car that is kinda a junker and wants some good times, step one is to drive ahead of a hummer at about 5 under the speed limit, they will surely get pissed off (stereotype of hummer drivers lol) and start tailgating about a foot from your rear bumper. Step two is to slam your brakes as hard as you can and hope for the worst looking collision possible in the rear of your car (obviously do this on a slow road lol with no people in your rear seat or they will probably be hit in the back of the head with the huge grille of the hummer). Step three is to get out and harass the driver of the hummer by saying you have a rare edition 81 honda accord ("This is an 81 honda!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!) and then let them know you dont really care that much and drive off.

i actually did this one time with my old pickup truck when someone in a new beetle was tailgating me and honking (yuppie trash even had one of them cellphone headpieces that you can talk into, like she was all important or something). the real thing that made me mad was that i was already doing 50 in a 35, so i didnt see why i should have to be "courteous" and speed up any more for this lady. anyways, shes riding a couple feet away from my 100 pound bumper and hitch ball, so i get the idea to mess with her. i just tapped my brakes enough to make the brake lights go on and she would slam her brakes only to find me not having slowed down at all. after about the millionth time, she finally got it that i wasnt gonna actually use the brakes, so she didnt fall for it anymore. thats when i slammed that freaking pedal to the floor and she completely slammed into me. i destroyed the "grille" of her car beyond recognition, though she didnt hit me hard enough to completely demolish nothing. and then pulled over. she had the nerve to blame it all on me and say i would be paying for her bodywork and "new airbags" or something like that, though i dont think they went off, i never noticed. so what did i do? i bid her farewell and i drove off into the sunset in my rusty but trusty old truck, although the rear bumper was kinda bent on the bottom corner and there was green paint all over it lol. she must have been smart enough to know her car was unable to be driven, cause she didnt follow me or nothing. now that i think of it, i bet it would have drove because if i remember correctly, they have rear engines anyways, so a frontal collision would just look bad but still drive. maybe she didnt know that lol... the cops must have told her it was indeed her own damn fault when she called my plates in, cause i saw her write them down.

Dyno247365

Road rage...it's not pretty

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blakscorpion21

h1= ok, good for an offroad vehicle and the military.
h2= total crap, sucks at offroading, horrible gas mileage, slow, totally impractical and mostly bought by the ignorant.
h3= more crap, which now comes with a loweley 5 cyl and only gets 20 hwy mpg, what a total waste of a car.

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Jimster

Americans have funny model years. Most cars registered new in America right about now will be registered as 2007 cars, I think the new model year starts in the 3rd Quarter?

PS jveik, New Beetles are front engined.

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jveik

lol oh well she didnt hit me hard enough to do anything anyways, she just smashed the "grille" a little, though i guess its just the "hood" lol. whatever you want to call it. if i remember right, it has that hood that serves as the front of the car? ive never actually looked to see what they exactly have lol. i just rememver something had about a football sized dent/crease in it.

JLad10687

Why didnt you exchange information and act like its your fault and then get your vehicle fixed through her insurance and raise her rates too?

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pac4life

Hey its not practical but the bottom line is you cant beat it for off roading.

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