I had to because it's my name on here an I will always love the S7 till the day I die.

http://www.fast-autos.net/data/images/34203.JPG

The competition package is a new option from Saleen that builds on the 750 bhp S7, producing an astounding 1000 bhp. The package is the latest evolution of the S7 supercar that first started production in 2001. The twin-turbo model was released in 2005 and also included changes to the suspenion and exterior design. The extra horsepower comes from increasing the boost of the twin-turbo system developed by Saleen. Also available is an aerodynamic package that includes a carbon fiber (http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Saleen/2006/S7_Twin-Turbo_Competition/#) rear wing and front splitter.


The all-aluminum V8 engine casting was engineered and tooled by Saleen to displace seven liters. Space age materials and engineering are used throughout, including stainless steel valves, titanium retainers, beryllium exhaust valve seats, an aluminum throttle body, Saleen-designed aluminum CNC-machined cylinder heads and stainless steel exhaust system (http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Saleen/2006/S7_Twin-Turbo_Competition/#). The V8 incorporates a unique Saleen-designed side-mounted water pump, a belt-driven camshaft drive and a Saleen-engineered dry sump oil delivery system.

The engine's mid-chassis placement optimizes weight distribution and makes room for an unusually tall engine that allows for a very efficient induction system. Air enters a roof intake, passes through a 90-mm mass air meter and feeds into a carbon fiber plenum. From the plenum the air is routed to the twin ball bearing turbos, is pressurized to 5.5 psi max and then passes through an oval-bore throttle body (http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Saleen/2006/S7_Twin-Turbo_Competition/#) into an aluminum intake manifold with eight individual runners.

To feed juice to this setup, the injection system includes dual electric fuel pumps and high-capacity, return-less, 52 lb/hr fuel injectors. Neatly engineered and integrated into the S7's stainless steel, dual, high-flow exhaust system (http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Saleen/2006/S7_Twin-Turbo_Competition/#) are two, twin-ball-bearing, water-cooled Saleen-Garrett turbos, featuring 44-mm wastegates. The four exhaust pipes from each bank of cylinders merge into a race-car-like high-efficiency collector. In addition, the exhaust incorporates dual catalysts per cylinder bank, EGR and those aforementioned twin wastegates.

Chassis, Suspension, and Brakes

A major improvement in ride over previous models is achieved with the use of coil springs (http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Saleen/2006/S7_Twin-Turbo_Competition/#) that are a dual-stage design. The first spring has a lower rate than the single springs fitted to the current S7, resulting in softer ride during normal street driving. But if you remember your history, you know that the S7 is a flat-bottom, downforce car. The faster you go, the more downforce the S7 develops. In the case of the S7's new dual-stage springs, the second stiffer spring starts coming into play at around 100 mph when the car begins to develop serious downforce.

Chassis tuning also includes revised shock valving front and rear. Saleen-engineered Brembo-supplied lightweight aluminum six-piston mono-block calipers are fitted front and rear. The brakes are among the largest of any production car with 15-inch vented discs up front and 14-inch vented discs at the rear.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6D3NMHP2-Nw - Vid :D

Cool vid...too bad the guy never gets to open her up.

I want to have sex with that colour.

i'd rather have a 2003 F-150 SuperCrew in White.

yes, i am serious.

i'd rather have a 2003 F-150 SuperCrew in White.

yes, i am serious.
...seriously retarded.



that fuckin things is awesome

I want to have sex with that colour.


:1:

Sorry, not a fan.

But I do like the color.

id give a limb for it.....

Beautiful. i love the wheels and color.

That bitch is crazy reflective

Best. Car. Ever. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :licka:


But I hated that video. First, that gay ass song is playing over the exhaust sound!!!! AND!!! They take video an S7 on the 405 freeway at rush hour!!! Can't wait for a better video. :frown:

I'm gonna be in Orange County this weekend so I think I'll stop by Irvine and see if that car is in the showroom. Get you guys some good pictures. :)

What an asshole. Not only parks sideways, but sideways in two handicap spots.

In before "It's from America it can't go around corners ololololol!!!!!!!11111"

I'm with the other guy that didnt like it. IMO supercars are overrated. I'll stick to my DSM :).

id give a limb for it.....
:iagree: I'd give one of ghostrx7's limbs for that car

wait a minute....
what records are you talking about?
the top speed record of the veyron?
so.. another 1000bhp car that is lighter to beat the records of a different 1000bhp car that is heavier?

anyway, i don't really this as being anything that special; just another race based car with bigger turbos.

wait a minute....
what records are you talking about?
the top speed record of the veyron?
so.. another 1000bhp car that is lighter to beat the records of a different 1000bhp car that is heavier?


Topspeed as the worlds fastest production car... (I think that is an impressive title to hold?)

Funny part is the S7 is the half the price, half the cylinders, half the # turbo's and almost half the weight and equal in power to your so called "refined european exotics".

The S7 has many forms as do most true supercars (Mclaren F1, XJ220 ect)

I'd just buy a Bugatti Vernyon

...seriously retarded.

no, but it's not my thing, and i have no use for a 1,000bhp supercar, wheras i have plenty of use for a large 4-door pick-up truck.

logic over lust.

logic over lust.

Pffttt....yeah right.

no, but it's not my thing, and i have no use for a 1,000bhp supercar, wheras i have plenty of use for a large 4-door pick-up truck.

logic over lust.


And I could get more "usefulness" from a wheelbarrow than I could from Jessica Alba, but I'll let you have the wheelbarrow since you seem to be in to that sort of thing.

And I could get more "usefulness" from a wheelbarrow than I could from Jessica Alba, but I'll let you have the wheelbarrow since you seem to be in to that sort of thing.

+∞

But...can I have both?

*Imagines dirty things*

Funny part is the S7 is the half the price, half the cylinders, half the # turbo's and almost half the weight and equal in power to your so called "refined european exotics".


cheaper can mean a lot of things as seen whenever a 911vs Z06 debate/comparison comes up.
half the weight? compared to the veyron?
but you have to remember that the veyron is meant to be a luxurious grand tourer, hence the weight.
in other words, if the lighter racing based/derived car doesn't manage a higher speed than the big fat overweight one, then something is wrong.

The S7 has many forms as do most true supercars (Mclaren F1, XJ220 ect)

eh?

incidentally, this thread features a car in it and is thus not "off-topic" so i'm gonna move it to the appropriate place.

And I could get more "usefulness" from a wheelbarrow than I could from Jessica Alba, but I'll let you have the wheelbarrow since you seem to be in to that sort of thing.

i already have a wheelbarrow, thanks. and Jessica Alba isn't my type.

cheaper can mean a lot of things as seen whenever a 911vs Z06 debate/comparison comes up.
half the weight? compared to the veyron?
but you have to remember that the veyron is meant to be a luxurious grand tourer, hence the weight.
in other words, if the lighter racing based/derived car doesn't manage a higher speed than the big fat overweight one, then something is wrong.



eh?

incidentally, this thread features a car in it and is thus not "off-topic" so i'm gonna move it to the appropriate place.

By far the S7 is no means a true Luxury exotic by any standards. It's built to be a performer for the most part.

When ever you would like to to debate about past an present supercars let me know, I always like being corrected.

i'm not correcting you, merely pointing out the fact that the salleen is lighter than the veyron and has more or less the same horse power and hence it should beat the veyron speed record and it shouldn't really be much of a surprise if it does and not really that great an achievement.
Put it this way, let's shove an extra 200-300 bhp in an F1 and see what that can do?

the whole thing with top speed record as topped by the F1 previously is that many people confuse the greatness of the F1 purely on the basis of its top speed and forgetting that the true greatness of the car is because of the way in which it was created and the purity in the execution. The veyron is almost the perfect example of this oversight. Sure it's faster and a hell of an achievement but something is ultimately missing. In my mind, the same is true for the Salleen. Sure it can probably post some impressive numbers but as I said before, at the end of the day, it's just another race car derived road car.

the whole thing with top speed record as topped by the F1 previously is that many people confuse the greatness of the F1 purely on the basis of its top speed and forgetting that the true greatness of the car is because of the way in which it was created and the purity in the execution. The veyron is almost the perfect example of this oversight. Sure it's faster and a hell of an achievement but something is ultimately missing. In my mind, the same is true for the Salleen. Sure it can probably post some impressive numbers but as I said before, at the end of the day, it's just another race car derived road car.

I know your not correcting me.

However the F1 was also created with absolutley no cost limit what so ever. The F1 was amazing for it's time. The F1 Lm is still my 2nd favorite car reguardless of it's age. I understand what you mean by the saleen. It will never be as refined as the F1 reguardless if it's faster. You can tell the difference between the US way an european is quite different in many ways.
Example: Look at the S7 TT's engine bay & look at the carrera GT's. The Gt's os more or less a work of art then straight performance reguardless if it has an extra 20 or so pounds.

Some people just like more refinement and an overall package...

Pff.. the Koenigsegg CCX would rape that

Pff.. the Koenigsegg CCX would rape that

806 bhp < 1000 rwhp

The CC8S, with bare 655hp is just afew mp/h below the Veyron. The CCR's top speed has not yet been tested, but i doubt the Veyron is faster. So i even more seriosley doubt this tasteless modded S7 would beat the upcoming CCX with its improvements.

The CC8S, with bare 655hp is just afew mp/h below the Veyron. The CCR's top speed has not yet been tested, but i doubt the Veyron is faster. So i even more seriosley doubt this tasteless modded S7 would beat the upcoming CCX with its improvements.

that's swedish pride, right there.

The CC8S, with bare 655hp is just afew mp/h below the Veyron. The CCR's top speed has not yet been tested, but i doubt the Veyron is faster. So i even more seriosley doubt this tasteless modded S7 would beat the upcoming CCX with its improvements.

Get your facts right man...

A. It was the CCR that broke the F1's record an then got beat by the veyron.
B. The 750 TT alone has been able to achieve 250+ in testing with 250 hp added will be the fastest atleast until they can drive the SCC aero if it hold together.

http://www.koenigsegg.com/thecars/index.asp?submenu=4

tasteless modded S7

one of the best things said in this thread so far.

If functionality is tastelessness then by god I must be the most tacky person yet.

you are the exception; you are both tasteless and have no function.

Rx7 = Tasteless... Say that to the other FD owners or the fan base lmao...

S7 has more functionality then can comprehend. Just because you hate american SC an they are the best in terms of speed and modern style doesn't mean you go with personal attacks now?

?
You are an RX-7.
crikey, I didn't know that cars could type.

More funtionality than I can comprehend?
(i'm assuming that was what you wanted to say)
no, the S7 is no more functional than any other supercar so why single out its functionality as something special? Fact is, any car that wants to be fast has to deal with the same things and believe it or not, the solutions to those problems usually are the same sort of thing. is there anything about the S7 and its functionality that is unique to the car?

America supercars are the best in terms of speed and modern style?
That is purely subjective and in my opinion as a designer is that the design is dated, the proportions are off and as a car for the road is highly compromised. What the car does have though, is a pretty good overall packaging program but that's down to the british team that dealt with that area.
Come to think of it, wasn't the aerodynamics done by a british team as well?

You think I hate american supercars?
Nope.
I'm mature enough and smart enough to know that cars are more global than people would have you think. Not even Ferrari and Porsche can claim to be 100% in house but that's the nature of the industry.I'm also smart enough to understand that speed isn't everything and that it isn't rocket science to figure out that if you have two cars that have the same horse power but one is lighter, that the lighter car should be faster and thus, the "so what?" point comes up.

Personal attack?
You posted a rhetorical, posturing statement as if it was a sufficient response to the "tasteless" comment and I just showed that what you stipulated wasn't the only possible option.

Now if you had actually posted anything that contained relevant information that went someway to dispute the comment that the S7 is just a tasteless modded car then you wouldn't have been open to a comment like the one that i gave.

I just raced one on GT4, and I was actually comparing it to the C5-R with slicks, and it was stock. It didn't do so bad and it even had a higher top speed. Of course this is all video games. Saleen hasn't qualified for LeMans a few times when both vettes always do. I'd like to see the two of them have a good battle. That's for sure.

America supercars are the best in terms of speed and modern style?
That is purely subjective and in my opinion as a designer is that the design is dated, the proportions are off and as a car for the road is highly compromised. What the car does have though, is a pretty good overall packaging program but that's down to the british team that dealt with that area.
Come to think of it, wasn't the aerodynamics done by a british team as well?


I agree that the S7 looks like the Porsche 917, but other than that, I don't care if you're a mod, you need to stop making fights in other country's threads. Truth is this TT S7 could be the fastest american supercar ever made (not in terms of power but engineering and that says it all). And I'm not even a ford fan!!1

... I don't care if you're a mod, you need to stop making fights in other country's threads....

Other country's threads? :confused:

He's starting something, saying british is better than american, and I'm really sick and tired of it.

I agree that the S7 looks like the Porsche 917, but other than that, I don't care if you're a mod, you need to stop making fights in other country's threads. Truth is this TT S7 could be the fastest american supercar ever made (not in terms of power but engineering and that says it all). And I'm not even a ford fan!!1

917?
not really.
the S7 is bad copy of the McLaren F1.
if you take a look at the LM bodied cars you'll see exactly what I mean.
And again, so what if any particular car has the highest outright speed?
An achievement sure but fastest has never also meant the best.
Best example: Honda NSX-R laps the N'ring in the same time as the Ferrari 360CS. One car is obviously faster with more BHP but the slower car still posts the same lap time.
Better car is?
The one with an advantage or the one that can match the advantaged car with less power?

(what does fastest in terms of engineering mean?)

He's starting something, saying british is better than american, and I'm really sick and tired of it.

no.
that is what you are reading.
I said that none of the supercars out there are 100% in house and that to call any car american, or british or italian is to me, shortsighted and fails to acknowledge the skill of people who makes the bits that make the car work.
In the case of the S7, it just so happens that one or two of the outside sources brought in to do vital work on the car was british.

917
http://www.barchetta.cc/all.ferraris/images/1406/porsche-917-7.jpg
vs
S7 http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/06/saleens7tt05_02_1600.jpg
The Mclaren could damn well be a copy of the 917 LM also but my opinion states that the S7 is closer to the 917, and I know I'd wanna drive a LM race car. But who cares right? All LMP cars have nearly the same aero design anyway. I think the Saleen looks better than them O_O I said it, because it's a coupe.

I can see why you are saying that the Saleen isn't better because it's less practical as a modern car...but WHAT'S WRONG WITH BEING FASTER??

About being built by different countries, you don't care about Makes? Or have pride in what your country builds? Okay then, I do...I think someone is really drunk *listens to random singing in hall*..sorry where was I

I thought you were one of those people that says european cars are downright better because of handling and interior, which is what I'm sick of.

So I've established that what makes a car or it's maker better is purely opinion of that person, at that time, and I like FAST.

you don't care about Makes? Or have pride in what your country builds? Okay then, I do

again, nt what i am saying.
i never mentioned anything about brand/badge loyalty.
A Ferrari is always going to be a Ferrari just as a Honda is always going to be a Honda. The badge might be from a certain country but these days, especially with the more everyday cars such as Honda or Ford, you can't ever really say that the car comes the country that the badge comes from. I use these two brands especially because more and more, cars are developed and designed 100% outside of the country of origin with little to no input from the parent company; as can seen fro the simple fact that the US and European arms of the parent company work as independent entities.
Ford USA has very little to do with what has (been coming out of, at least used to come out of Dagenham.
In the case of Honda, Japan had very little to do with the design, development and building of the Civc until it was nearly time to sign off the project. The badge might be japanese or american or whatever but that doesn't really mean that the car is.
Once upon a time, the badge might've truely determined where the car came from but not so much these days.

When you get to more specialised cars such as the ones we are talking about, that distinction of where a car comes from begins to blur even more.

example:
Mclaren F1. New Zealand originas/name, british designer, engine comes from BMW..... so.... what ever happened to the saying that the engine is the heart of the car?
Where would you say the car comes from?

I would say BMW because of the engine. But Mclaren is also a company, so the true answer is Mclaren. If you mean what country, I again want to say Germany...

All LMP cars have nearly the same aero design anyway.

what?

I would say BMW because of the engine. But Mclaren is also a company, so the true answer is Mclaren. If you mean what country, I again want to say Germany...

but then all work on the design and packaging of the car was done in the uk by a uk team and pretty much bespoke made for the car; as far as I am aware, even the engine was specially commissioned for the project. Doesn't the other parts, argually just as important to making the car do what it does count for anything?
An engine without a chassis, gearbox or body etc, isn't a car.

So if the engine makes the car, a Pagani Zonda is also German?
(Old) New Mini is American?
Lotus Elise S2 (US spec) is Japanese?

what?

Hope you have beyond 56k...

http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/2507/moblog_48e538094b9f6.jpg
Porsche RS Spyder
http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/lms2006/istanbul/l_JU7U1405.jpg
Radical SR9
http://www.remguard.com/gallery/46.jpg
Lola MG--you get the point.

what does the modern LMP class cars looking similar have to do with cars like the McLaren F1, Saleen S7 and Porsche 917; all of which are not LMP class cars?

Hope you have beyond 56k...

http://moblog.co.uk/blogs/2507/moblog_48e538094b9f6.jpg
Porsche RS Spyder
http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/lms2006/istanbul/l_JU7U1405.jpg
Radical SR9
http://www.remguard.com/gallery/46.jpg
Lola MG--you get the point.

they're all very different and easily distinguished as different.

what you're doing is like saying "all 3-box saloons/sedans look the same" because they follow a uniform design basis of bonnet/hood then 4 doors then a boot/trunk.

those cars look similar because that's the aerodynamic style that's best for the class regulations and so on. all F1 cars look pretty similar because aerodynamics are regular, so for that series that general design is the best. but you can still distinguish them as different.

what does the modern LMP class cars looking similar have to do with cars like the McLaren F1, Saleen S7 and Porsche 917; all of which are not LMP class cars?

Last time I checked the laws of aerodynamics didn't change...

It seems since the F1 and the 917 seemed to have optimum aerodynamics that the S7 would follow in some what of a shape. The back how ever looks completely different.

What? The Porsche 917 WAS a leMans prototype class.

@ JC, thanks, I hate defending shit by myself

What? The Porsche 917 WAS a leMans prototype class.

@ JC, thanks, I hate defending shit by myself

no.
LMP class was introduced in 1995(?) to replace the previous group c car catagory.
the Porsche 917 raced in the 60s/70s.

so if it was a group C car, then it was an old LMP class clar.

no.
each class set has a set of rules attached to them
these rules determine the limts of what can be done to the cars.

different rules set = different cars.

if they were the same, there would be no need for name change, now would there? Of course, that's not to mention that the 917 was running before they had a Group C.

GRRR then what class was the 917?

does it matter?
at the heart of the matter, you are sayin that the 917, a 30+ year old car is the same as the modern LMP cars.

let's use a martial art/weapons analogy.
200 years ago, the bow and arrow was a typical personal, semi-long range weapon of most armies.
today, they have assault rifles and the like.

so by your rationale, if the 917 and lets say audi R8 are all in the same equivilant class(which they might well be considering the advances in technology and knowledge in the field), then they are the same.

bow and arrow=rifle?

does it matter?
at the heart of the matter, you are sayin that the 917, a 30+ year old car is the same as the modern LMP cars.

let's use a martial art/weapons analogy.
200 years ago, the bow and arrow was a typical personal, semi-long range weapon of most armies.
today, they have assault rifles and the like.

so by your rationale, if the 917 and lets say audi R8 are all in the same equivilant class(which they might well be considering the advances in technology and knowledge in the field), then they are the same.

bow and arrow=rifle?
Yes & no

He's saying the shape stayed the same not whats powering them. A sportscar still uses a spoiler and colling ducts from the 70's to today they still have the same form, maybe todays are just more agressive and generate a little more downforce but the basic overall shape has stayed the same. If you look at a bullet and an arrow tip aren't they the same shape?

arrow heads are not much like bullets (unless you are talking about modern competition bolt heads)
but that again, is not what was being discussed.
Besides, surely you have noticed a lack of wings on a McLaren F1.

let's go back to the original statements.
a 917 ISN'T an LMP car.
what does the modern LMP car's looking similar have to do with the 917 and S7 again? If the S7 is designed purely for speed and aerodynamics, then shouldn't it, being a modern car, look like an LMP car instead of a 30+ year old one?
which is also beside the point because i still say that the S7 doesn't look like a 917 let alone look more like a 917 than it does a McLaren F1.

so what do you think?
do you think the S7 looks more like a 917 than it does an F1?

The point is a supercar follows a certain shape. It's not going to be designed like a mack truck correct? The F1 does have a wing but only for braking. As far as the S7 being designed like an LMP car well that wouldn't be road legal now would it?

general shape; i'm not disputing that.
Mid-engined cars in general share a similar internal layout/packaging.
however, I'm talking about certain details on the car being very similar to those on the F1.
front+rear profiles are distinctly F1 like.
the front 3/4 is very F1.
scoop on the roof.
the slashes on the front wings/arches
rear 3/4 (aprt from being longer).

an Enzo dosen't look like a Carrera GT which doesn't loom like a Zonda which doesn't loom like an XJ220 which doesn't look like a Murcielago which doesn't look like a Veryon which doesn't look like an EB110.

in terms of non production cars that went near or topped 240-250mph.
the MB C111 concept doesn't look like any of these and nor does the VW Nardo.

road-legal is a specific rule-set that pertains to road safety to drivers and pedestrians. The various road versions of the GT1 cars are all road legal and look exactly the same as the race versions. The Ultima GTR and various Radicals all are LMP shaped cars and are all road legal.

That radical is a cool car. I'm saying that the S7 and 917 are closer to eachother because they're enclosed 2 seaters, unlike the Mclaren F1 which has a front center seat and a back seat (or 2 seats in the back). It also has close to the same rear end and the way the rear sticks out from the car, unlike a mclaren where it's very close to the rear wheels. So to me the S7 looks like an evolved 917.

You're thinking way too much into this monkey.

front+rear profiles are distinctly F1 like.
scoop on the roof.

If you have a mid-engine and you don't have a roof scoop the only other logical place is the sides which create more resistance (ex. murceilago) The center is the optimum place for air flow and cooling, That's basically saying any supercar that has a diffuser is a one-off...

So that's a diffuser...learn something new everyday.

Getting back to the thread, I love this car. It's a 750hp supercar that sounds american. What more can I ask for? The only problem is it branched from Ford. I have mixed feelings about that.

So that's a diffuser...learn something new everyday.

Getting back to the thread, I love this car. It's a 750hp supercar that sounds american. What more can I ask for? The only problem is it branched from Ford. I have mixed feelings about that.
Only two parts are ford on the S7, The mirror motors an the block of the V8 itself.

A diffuser is this badboy ~
The part on the bottom that looks like a tray.
http://www.firstmolding.com/firstmolding/rear-diffuser/autostaff-fd3s-rd-dc-sp3drw.jpg

OHHH...I friggin knew that but forgot. The first place i ever saw a diffuser was on a concept new viper, back when the 1st generation was still being made. It was probably on the cover of motor trend.

You're thinking way too much into this monkey.

nope, i just like to hear people explain the things they say.
it makes me feel better knowing that people don't just randomly say things without any prior thought or knowledge of the subject that is being discussed.

If you have a mid-engine and you don't have a roof scoop the only other logical place is the sides which create more resistance (ex. murceilago) The center is the optimum place for air flow and cooling, That's basically saying any supercar that has a diffuser is a one-off...

not quite.
the F1 has the scoop on the roof to feed the engine directly and feed the engine only; it serves no cooling purpose. It also worked into the passenger safety cell of the chassis and thus adds minimal weight whilst adding to the structural integrity by ways of the folds/shaping in the material.
on the S7 however, the air that goes into the scoop is feed around to the sides to where the turbos are sited thus, there is "excess" pipework and hence weight added to the S7 by it having the scoop on the roof. The you also have to take into account that the S7 already has scoops/intakes on the side of the car.

it's little details like this around the packaging of the car that makes the F1 stand above most cars out there.
With the F1, the packaging of the car was first and foremost and everything else was designed around it. With most other cars the design, whilst based around the packaging, also plays a little too much on aesthetics. Now i'm not saying that aesthetics wasn't important to the F1, just that if it didn't make sense to the overall pacakaging of the car, it wasn't done.

OHHH...I friggin knew that but forgot. The first place i ever saw a diffuser was on a concept new viper, back when the 1st generation was still being made. It was probably on the cover of motor trend. That'll be the GTS-R concept back in I think 2000, I've seen plenty fo cars with diffusers before and after then. The diffuser on the TVR Speed 12 GTS car was huge, but then the whole car was huge, I actually got up close and personal to that.

With regards to the S7 TT competition it's certainly a more than capable car imo, I'm not a huge fan of the looks but looks are subjective. It won't break any top speed records, too much drag from that wing, it's go faster without it. Also I don't think the car is geared to go much over 220mph. Look at the McLaren F1, the production model was the fastest in top speed, it had very low drag, no rear wing it was supposedly a handfull at high speeds as a result.

The F1 LM had more power, but also more downforce and more drag, even with the same gear ratio's there's no way it would touch 240mph, not without a hell of alot more power anyway, now the LM wasn't meant to go faster, if it was they did everything wrong, instead it was meant to be a road legal version of the F1 GTR. It was meant to be quicker on a track and if you were in your faster F1 and decided to race someone at some generice track in their F1 LM and for arguments sake you both were just as competent as each other you would lose. not that that really matters, I mean how many people actually drive that fast in their many hundered thousand pound supercars anyway. One thing I would say, frmo reading drunk monkey's posts he seems to be quite knowledgable on the matter, he knows what he's talking about and hasn't contradicted himsef once in this thread. Personally I don't see this S7 beating any records, it won't beat a veyron to 60 or to 200mph, it won't go as fast top speed, it may well lap a track faster, that is something it should do but that's not to say it will start setting track records.

incidentally, according to one interview/article, Gordon Murray says that the maths shows that the Mclaren F1 only needs 750BHP to beat the top speed record.

but then again, it's no longer a production car so that means what?
Never could figure out why they only look at it terms of "in production". Oh yeah, misguided bragging rights.

cool collections...
nice video

incidentally, according to one interview/article, Gordon Murray says that the maths shows that the Mclaren F1 only needs 750BHP to beat the top speed record.

but then again, it's no longer a production car so that means what?
Never could figure out why they only look at it terms of "in production". Oh yeah, misguided bragging rights.

Do mods usually bring up dead threads? lol

Okay let's just forget in production and say street legal road cars. Could the MClaren F1 have modifications to make 750hp or is the engine maxed out right now? It's all motor so of course it could have something done to it.

In terms of production, meaning they came stock from factory at were rated at that horsepower, what's the fastest car? is it still the Veyron, or did the CCX take over? This SaleenTT ??

It's anybodys game now that forced induction was thrown into the supercar catagory. The S7 1000-TT seems to be the best due to power and weight. The CCX is only good for 806 but weighs 300lbs less then the S7. The veyron i'd count last due to it's excessive curb weight even though it has almost 200 hp more then the CCX.

Do mods usually bring up dead threads? lol

who brought up a dead thread?

who brought up a dead thread?

damn, nevermind.

Monkey, what's your favorite supercar of all time and why?

The way I look at it, its amazing that you could add so much power to a car and still maintain its balance. Anyone can make a powerful supercar because price and practicality are no option. Maybe other supercars could be modified to have more power and maybe they can't. Its just rare that the modification is isolated only to the motor.

Monkey, what's your favorite supercar of all time and why?

not sure.
it would be easy to say the ferrari 250GTO but I'm not sure if that one qualifies, it being made at a time where, especially in this case, a blurred distinction existed between race car and road car.

The next closest one would the Mercedes 300SL "Gullwing" because of its technological standing in its period. Quite simply, it was as a road car (before it was raced) way more advanced and stuffed full of the latest car building technology than anything else.

In terms of more modern cars that were made after the term was coined I think I would still go back to the originial Lamborghini Countach LP400.
Reasons:

i) In terms of design, it left everything the company had done previously completely behind and is STILL to this day, thirty odd years later a part of the Lamborghini character. Sure the Miura is a very pretty car but it was flawed in it's design and it was very much a car that did the best of how things used to be done using old methods. The LP400 was a milestone and a sign of how things were going to be done from then onwards.

ii) There wasn't really any compromise in its design. Everything on the car, after the Bertone Design, was there to make the car go fast. They dropped the heavy frame chassis of the Miura and used a much stronger tubular spaceframe chassis, something that was usually only seen in race cars and Formula 1 inspired side mounted radiators. The designation LP also point to the placement of the gearbox ahead of the engine that was done to assist in getting what they call "near perfect" weight distribution, even though it goes against convention.

iii) the engine was designed as a race engine but scaled up. In fact, so much was asked from it that the original 5 development unit blew up which resulted in them adopting the smaler 4 litre engine instead. That's how far they were pushing it at the beginning. 8000rpm in a 4 litre V12 in 1974 is a massively impressive figure and way more advanced than anything ferrari was offering to road car buyers.

iv) the car was designed with so much power and speed that at the time, there wasn't a tyre that existed to match it. It took Pirelli a good two years before they could get the tyre that they said would be available for it onto the shelves.

the car isn't perfect and compared to todays cars isn't anything special anymore if you only look at the numbers but its position in the spercar history is undoubted and marks a turning point. In fact, the same is true for the two earlier cars that are mentioned in thatthe cars are special because they did something that was simply not done at the time, especially in the case of the 300SL.
The reasons why the LP400 is one of my favourite supercars is because of what it represents, what it did, how it did it and the results of its existance. It is for similar reasons that I have the utmost respect for cars like the Ferrari 288 GTO (and hence the related F40), Ferrari F50, Enzo, Porsche 959 (and really, also the original 911 Turbo) and Carrera GT, Mclaren F1, Veyron and would rank the Honda NSX as probably the honorary junior member of this group but it is the LP400 that stands out as being the first of its kind.
These cars are either one-offs in their manufacturers' line-ups or cars that have influenced and moved on the rest of the industry.

There might be faster and "better" cars and there are other favourite cars of mine that haven't been mentioned such as the DB4 GTZ, BMW 507, Jaguar XK-SS, 365GTBB, Esprit, Zonda and too many others to mention but those cars, as good as they are (mainly...) and as pretty as they may be, they miss the vital part that the cars in the earlier list have or they are "just" race cars in road car clothing like the XK-Ss and Porsche GT1 cars were.

Don't yout hink America's put a lot of effort and time and money and research and prodution and everything into developing a supercar they could call american? It's one of the only supercars with a pushrod engine sound and it's the current fastest one. I look at cars because of their engine, not how they look. The American Supercar is the car that scares the pants off of people's slower cars when it roars. Just so happens it looks italian mide-engine-ish, so what?

Don't yout hink America's put a lot of effort and time and money and research and prodution and everything into developing a supercar they could call american? It's one of the only supercars with a pushrod engine sound and it's the current fastest one. I look at cars because of their engine, not how they look. The American Supercar is the car that scares the pants off of people's slower cars when it roars. Just so happens it looks italian mide-engine-ish, so what?

I think the american way of doing things is sometimes compromised. There seems to be a strange mix of pride in being cheap as well as a stubborn refusal to do things the "european" way. The only exceptions to these are the small production firms such as Saleen. The general mentality seems to be "if it ain't broke...." where as the rest of the world seems to be more of the "let's find new things and new ways to make new things", an important point when we are talking about supercars. This is also part of the reason why I don't myself feeling too affectionate towards the new Ford GT compared to the Original. Something just doesn't sit right when you know that the engine is just taken from a truck and supercharger added. I would've liked to have seen a bespoke engine and preferably without the supercharger. I mean, if a small production firm like Ferrari can do it, why can't a big one like Ford?

A supercar isn't just a car that is fast; any monkey with a bit of cash can build a car that can go fast a la F&F. The super in the term supercar is more about what the car represents in its particular time frame and not simply how fast it can go. You look at the engine only/mainly? Fine, that's perfectly reasonable but if you look at the cars I mentioned and their engines, each one also stands out purely for that area as well but the engine isn't everything, especially when you add zero intrusion cockpits made out of carbon fibre in the mix.

the Colombo V12 in the 250s were essentially race units specced as the buyer requested.
the 300SL's straight 6 was the first fuel injected engine with race bred dry sump and a very complex space frame tubular chassis all back in 1954 and the gizmodery doesn't end there if you go into the construction and engineering of the engine itself.

the engines of the other cars mentioned are all stand out pieces of machinery in their time periods but I'm not sure that the one in the Saleen is. At the end of the day it is "just" a tuned big capacity engine with turbos and in 2006, I'm not sure if it is enough. Is it a supercar, of course it is; any barely disguised race car that's road legal is bound to fall in this catagory but in the grand scheme of things, it's not as hardcore as a Dauer 962, a Porsche GT1 (itself a 962 in disguise...) or Lotus Elise GT1. By the same token; it isn't as focussed as the Mclaren F1 (but then no other car is) and it isn't as luzurious and cosseting or easy to drive as the Enzo, Carrera GT, SLR or Veyron is. The car isn't also as landmark as the 300SL, LP400, F40 or F1 again or even the NSX.

In short, in todays supercar world it is "just" another car.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't that I don't like it, as there aren't many cars that I don't like outright, it just isn't special in the same way that a Diablo,Testarossa/512M and many others, aren't as special, or how the newer faster V8 Esprits isn't as special as the original 4pot Esprit.

Put it this way, if the car wasn't American, would you like it as much?
Is it being American part of the reason why you like the car?

YES!!!!!!!! You finally got my point. thank you. Even if (according to your facts) it's a falsehood of a point, it's still my opinion. You don't see many american supercars, they're basically all german and italian, but BlackGT said it himself, this could be THE fastest supercar in the world, and we call it American! So that's my opinion, I have pride in it. I also think it looks really cool but that's another story; we don't talk about how it looks.

YES!!!!!!!! You finally got my point. thank you.

what?
you made a point?
Could you repeat it because I still don't know what you wanted to say.
On the other hand, I am certain that you never understood what I was saying in the first place.

Close this thread.

Fine don't close this thread.

?
You think I hate american supercars?
Nope.
I'm mature enough and smart enough to not hate a dead piece of metal.

Sorry, just shortened it down a bit.

Alright, I'm just gonna post what i should have done in the first place. That video sucked but I read all about the car in the first post and I have to say I'm impressed, although some ideals like having the largest production brake rotors were wrong.

Drunken moneky called this a tasteless mod of the original S7. I don't know why he said that but it is very functional like jcsaleen said, that it does 250+mph. Where can we use it? Therein lies the problem. Ya see, there's already some kickass Saleen S7Rs running in LeMans ad Fia GT, while the S7 competiton is just trying to be the best supercar.

I ask you AF members, what more do you want from this car?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt0TE9wJdjE

Drunken moneky called this a tasteless mod of the original S7. I don't know why he said that but it is very functional like jcsaleen said, that it does 250+mph.


Actually I didn't call it that, I simply agreed with it.
I have also gone into great detail as to why I hold my opinion on this car, part of which includes my assessment of the car and it's hyped functionality based on other cars of a similar type
i.e it is no more functional than any other supercar so why talk about its functional design as if its something extra special?

Actually I didn't call it that, I simply agreed with it.
I have also gone into great detail as to why I hold my opinion on this car, part of which includes my assessment of the car and it's hyped functionality based on other cars of a similar type
i.e it is no more functional than any other supercar so why talk about its functional design as if its something extra special?

You simply agreed with it very strongly, does anyone else have something to post?