I don't want this to turn into a heated debate, religious sermon, or anyone become angry. It's just an innocent question and if you want to give your view on why you voted this way, please do so, but do NOT criticize others view. It's their view and everyone has their own right to it. I believe there is a god, there has to be a god when I think about it, but I'm not so sure god cares about us. There are a lot of pretty fucked up people in this world and some in some pretty horrible situations. I know why "god allows the suffering" reasoning from the bible, but to me that's a pretty self centered approach. If I was god, I wouldn't care what some people thought, I'm god and I don't have anything to prove to anyone. So there's my vote, yes I believe in god, but I'm not sure god cares about us.

Well, I haven't been to church in awhile, but I do believe in God. But sometimes I question things.
I think the movie "Dogma" explained it best.
You don't question it when your a little child. Your glass is small and is easy to fill. But when you get older, the glass gets bigger and the same amount that it took to fill the small glass isn't enough anymore to fill the bigger one.
So, yes I believe in God but sometimes I don't know how much.

I believe in God. But i can understand why its very tough for some people to believe in him if they try their hardest in life, but always seem to fail, or they had no choice in their life, or whatever.

Yeah.
But he hates us now. We're all doomed.

^ Now there is a positive attitude for ya. In my oppinion, we brought all this war and destruction appon ourselves.

There's a god..

I mean, he does use the LS1. :lol2:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1646/ls12go1.jpg

1. Yes I believe in God.

2. We are living in hell ... I believe that when you are sent to hell, you keep coming back to Earth to live in this shithole, where you get killed for a pair of sneakers, or your own mother stabs you in the back with a steak knife and leaves you half naked sitting in 8 inches of snow when you're only 11 months old so she can get a fix, or you bust your ass to make a living and the taxes keep you poor, or you try to follow your religion and some fuicking zealot killls you because his religion says your evil... it's ridiculous.

I am a non-practicing catholic. The recent publicity has made it crystal clear that I lead a better life than most priests, and knowing a bunch of the parishoners... I can say that a LOT of them have no business stepping foot in a church. I do the best I can, help whoever I an whenever I can, try to be the best man, husband and father that I can, and hopefully I won't have to come back to this shitheap and deal with the problems we've allowed ourselves to create.

3. Human beings are communal. One person affects the next. So as far as the "good" person who has all the horrible thing happen to him... it's just a result iof the human condition. Free-will has aloowed us to come to such a state that you could be on your way to church and your child could be killed by a stray bullet from some asswipe drug addicts shoot out.

Ahhhh... this whole thing is hugely philosophical, I believe in God and Jesus and all. My beliefs don't have to be the same as yours, and neither of us is wrong for believing what we believe. (That was a mouthful). I just hope all these wars and all aren't the sign of the second coming if there is one.

Whatever...

I remember seeing that LS1 poster a while back.

I voted for "I don't know", because I just dunno. I find it difficult to beleive that the universe and life was created by a supernatural entity/entities, but I have no ground to say that it is impossible either. I do not particularly put any faith in Heaven or Hell, nor do I commit my soul to worship or trust my destiny to someone/something I can't see, but I will not say that the mojority of the world is wrong and I am right either. The only thing that I can be 100% certain of is that this life may be the only chance we have in this world, so I just try to live the best life I can and be a good man, and hopefully if there is a God and there is a Heaven he will understand and accept me. I do not claim any religion, because if there is something so spectacular as a God/Gods, I doubt any human comprehension of it is accurate.

I agree, god hates us all!

:lol: There is no way in 666's House am I going to leave this posts up for 666 days. I changed it to 66 and thats pushing it, cause most polls are up for only 1 month at the max.

Anyway, its a major delimma for me, On one side I believe (or want to believe), on the other hand I don't. But If I were it would have to be multiple gods not just one. Which would explain to me why some things are good and some are bad.

TS out (looking for an Excorcist)

All I know is that the world is ending...soon. and I dont wanna be here when all the good has left for salvation and only the evil souls remain...

:lol: There is no way in 666's House am I going to leave this posts up for 666 days. I changed it to 66 and thats pushing it, cause most polls are up for only 1 month at the max.

Not a problem, I didn't know anyone could see how many days were left haha.

I just hope that heaven is like a giant diner that has Lager, Philly Cheesesteaks with, Wally Biscotti and Canoli's.... Like a 300 gallon Lager, 200 foot cheesesteak and a 105 foot canoli.

**Dreams of scantily clad female angels dangling cheesesteaks and canoli's like grapes into the mouth of a king, with beer fountains of Lager and milk-stout cascading gloriously down ice channels within reach of my 40 gallon goblet...***

Uhoh... My fat person is waking up. It's getting close to dinnertime, isn't it?

ummm you know what bothers me about the concept of heaven. Its that if I die and go to heaven I would expect to see all my love ones there, but what if one of my love ones did something very evil at one time in their life. He/She wouldnt' be up there and be in hell instead. With so many restrictions and rules to go by, what I might find good others will not. So whos to say I will find all my friends up there. :banghead:

TS out (breaking some law)

ummm you know what bothers me about the concept of heaven. Its that if I die and go to heaven I would expect to see all my love ones there, but what if one of my love ones did something very evil at one time in their life. He/She wouldnt' be up there and be in hell instead. With so many restrictions and rules to go by, what I might find good others will not. So whos to say I will find all my friends up there. :banghead:

TS out (breaking some law)

Why would you care about anything if you had a bunch of scantily clad angels feeding you... Cheesesteaks and Canoli's, no less... and Lager!

Seriously though, I would be so happy I made it there that if I saw ANYONE I knew it'd be enough for me.

Even on CNN I saw "Countdown to Armageddon" commercials advertising for a show they have. Why is the world ending now? Hasn't the world been corrupt and in a horrible shape since the start of mankind? Why now? Oh, I'll see ya there TS, please don't hate me from the AF endeavors when we get there haha.

Actually, if you read the bible it tells the signs before then end... I think we have passed a few already...

I voted no. I can not blindly put my faith into something just because a book some guys wrote a couple thousand years ago says to. I have never seen any proof or anything that a god does exist, and I feel the only thing that should be taken out of the bible (or any such book) are the morals which all of the stories tell us... not that some guy named Jonah got swallowed by a whale or that Jesus was the son of god, but rather what they did in these stories - they're all metaphors. That and I feel that once people began taking the stories for truth and the book as being written by god, is when religion became not a moral teaching, but rather a way to control people, harness power, and cause war.

I think the world will end when we run out of fuel for our beloved V8's.

I'm not helping this process along with my bike :/

I'm not helping this process along with my bike :/


good I'd like to get laid at least one more time before the world ends. Sadly the chances have gotten slim.

Even on CNN I saw "Countdown to Armageddon" commercials advertising for a show they have. Why is the world ending now? Hasn't the world been corrupt and in a horrible shape since the start of mankind? Why now? Oh, I'll see ya there TS, please don't hate me from the AF endeavors when we get there haha.Don't worry, up in heaven (if there is such a place) i'll be holding the keys to the gates for Banlandia as well. So you will be okay. :lol:

As for Savage's post, Thats the other side of me that agrees.
Its always in conflict. http://santafemods.com/images/Smileys/seesaw.gif

TS out (riding the see saw)

good I'd like to get laid at least one more time before the world ends. Sadly the chances have gotten slim.
:rofl: That's the funniest thing I've heard all day! :iceslolan

I voted "No, I don't believe in a god." I'm the kind of person that often questions many and every aspect of life, society, religious figures bla bla bla. I guess Savage Messiah put it out best IMO. I was raised as a catholic and I have read the bible and yes, they are nothing but metaphors used to try and create morals and a set of rules for the common member of a working society. But still, I am kinda skeptical about whether or not some supernatural force or being is the reason we are here and everything is as well. W.E though, if there is a hell ill be there for blasphemy holding my IROCs keys in one hand and a pitch-fork in the other for whoever tries to take em!

well... lets just say i would rather die and find out there isnt a heaven than die and find out (the hard way) that there is a hell

I don't believe in hell, so I'm not too worried about that.

maybe this is hell :dunno:
maybe we are all some other guy's spirit and in hell cuz he f-ed up

Actually, if you read the bible it tells the signs before then end... I think we have passed a few already...

Yes, we have seen a couple signs... and oh SHIT! I think one is the destruction of Isreal (that's not what it's called in the Bible, but that's what they are referring to).

That and I feel that once people began taking the stories for truth and the book as being written by god, is when religion became not a moral teaching, but rather a way to control people, harness power, and cause war.

You have a point. But with so many of the stories of the bible being proved to be at least partially true, do you ever question your position? (They think they've found Noah's Ark, the place where John the Baptist lived / preached and other stuff).

I believe in God. I believe in Heaven and Hell. I don';t know that I believe that you see all your friends when you get there. I don't know that you stay there forever.

I too believe that the organized religions of the world are more about the power to control their followers more than anything else... I mean c'mon, the Catholic church... more of the priests are going to hell than camaro owners. I have NOT read the entire Bible, actually not much of it, but I have read enough to know what is good and bad, and try to live as decent a life as I am able. I've done my share of things oif which I am ashamed, and will always worry that someone will be waiting at the gates with a clipboard and a whip to take me downstairs.

Who knows... I do think that these feaking wars in the middle east need to be finished and the terrorists eliminated from the living. Forget about the religious standpoint, they're not good for life in general.

I voted that yes I believe in one god.. and to me Heaven goes like this..

When you're up there heaven goes according to your tastes.. SO.. if you want one of your friends to be up there, they'd be there, regardless of them going to hell or not, because its YOUR heaven. Thats the way I see it though, like not everybody goes to one place that is called heaven, but once we get up there we all have like our own room and in there it goes according to what you like.. so if you want nothing but Cheesesteaks and beer around every corner when you're hungry, then they'll be there and you will always taste it like if it was your first time.

And the same goes to hell, its all according to what you hate most.

But to me, my concept makes it perfect and really makes it not matter what happens to others.

This is such a touchy subject for so many people. I am surprised that no one has gone off the deep end yet.
I have been baptised and all that good stuff. When I was young my grandma took me to a 7th day adventist church and when I moved to Oregon I went to a Nazarene Church. I was baptised at the Nazarene church. Needless to say I am very confused with religion. Part of me believes and the other part is unsure...

I was raised going to a church, we're not going to get into what church. To say the least, I've been very disappointed with how it was ran, the higher ups think they're better than everyone else. I'm glad no one has went off the deep end, I didn't want that. Just wanted some opinions.

Thanks guys for having a serious conversation and not getting mad.

For those who believe in hell, how hot is hell? Is it all fire and all the temperature of whatever fire is? Is it just very hot, like hot enough to where a human wouldn't die just be miserable all the time? Is it humid? Is it hot enough to kill a human but not a spirit? Is it a land with ground and structures and such, or just...fire?

I'll believe in God as soon as God believes in me...*passes out*

Fire and sulfur. Ah, the smell of rotten eggs and burnt souls. I think it would be flat hot with no humidity. Just like burning in an actual fire, all the time, with no dying, no relief, no comfort.

Why would there be sulfur? If a spirit feels hot such as being in "hell", does the devil and demons feel heat and cold from the weather on Earth?

hell i beleive, is a very hot, stale aired place.... but probably not lava like, more like a steel factory or something. But really hell is more like a place of punishment and misery than heat. a place of souls screaming in agony and where your worse fears come to life. A place where the souls of the damned and demons have their way with you with no repercussions.

somewhat like what rally already said

My worse fears come to life? What if you truly don't fear anything? Like me for example, I love being scared, it's my favorite. I love nightmares, scary movies, the dark, fear in general. Would hell consist of any of these? So hell is more of just a miserable time rather than just fire?

i bet you fear pain...

i mean.. not saying it like you're a wimp, but i mean like i fear pain....i dont wanna get kicked in the balls

Nope, I've broke 19 bones, pain doesn't bother me.

so if i said "lemme kick you in the nuts" you'd be like "bring it on"?

Pretty much, I wouldn't fear it. It would suck, but it wouldn't be a fear. So if hell is real, it'll be eternity of being kicked in the nuts?

well it would be stuff that makes you miserable....all the time..stuff that makes you be like "damn...i do not wanna be here"

Ah well, I don't believe in hell anyways. Just wondering, thanks!

Kinda makes you wonder what exactly the truth is about all this stuff. Someone needs to have all the answers to all the questions.

Hey Rally... CHEESESTEAK TREES!

6... Hell (to me) is either being without the things you really want (kids, wife, dog, friends, etc) or being with things you really despise (hot humid weather, garbage all over, mean people all over, ... kinda like Philly but w/o cheesesteaks). Wait'll you get a little older and have a family of your own and THEN you'll have something that you could do without.

Ah well, I don't believe in hell anyways. Just wondering, thanks!

Well if you believe or not wont matter if its really or not.. but in honesty to believe in heaven you kind of HAVE to believe in hell.

Btw who edited the poll? Pretty funny :lol2:

And the answer to all these questions wont ever come, atleast I think so.. just believe what you want to, the worst part about it is that what if it isnt true? What if there isnt a god and heaven or hell or any of that stuff or afterlife. I mean it is scary, because it may all be a lie and just a way for us to give us hope that we will mean something even though we may be as insignificant as lint on the ground.

I look at it this way. (I think) It's better to believe in God with the possibility of being wrong, than not believing in God and being wrong.

Because if you do believe (in heaven and hell) and you're wrong, no harm, but if you don't believe and they do exist, you're hosed.

I look at it this way. (I think) It's better to believe in God with the possibility of being wrong, than not believing in God and being wrong.

Because if you do believe (in heaven and hell) and you're wrong, no harm, but if you don't believe and they do exist, you're hosed.

Well ofcourse.. better safe than sorry.. especially when it comes to this. :lol2:

I look at it this way. (I think) It's better to believe in God with the possibility of being wrong, than not believing in God and being wrong.

Because if you do believe (in heaven and hell) and you're wrong, no harm, but if you don't believe and they do exist, you're hosed.


the only problem is I think god frowns upon believing "just in case."

well it would be stuff that makes you miserable....all the time..stuff that makes you be like "damn...i do not wanna be here"
24/7 of having to watch Richard Simmons on TV. That would be hell...lol

That's what I've always been taught. God doesn't want you to serve him to help yourself, you're supposed to serve god because you want to serve him with no selfish motives. How can anyone actually worship a god without hoping to get some benefit from it?

I believe in god. For a very simple reason. If you go back far even to when the universe was nothingness. There was no gas, no planets , nothing. Something had to cause this type of motivation to happen. Maybe not so much a god as a holy spirit (which is basically a God) but there is good and evil in the world and alot of what happens to us is the creation of man and not god showing his wraith. Also we are made up of energy, that just can't end so if it continues there has to be a heaven and if there is a heaven it stands to reason there has to be a god. It can't just be lights out. Those reactions that take place and your feelings and being a little different than everyone else can't just end and thats it, it has to continue in one form or another and I find its alot easier to get threw a rough day let alone a rough life putting faith in something you can question rather than having no faith at all. Good thread BTW, sorry I came in so late.

What about the people who have bad lives through no fault of their own. For instance, children who were abused are statistically more prone to abuse their children. Is "god" to blame, could god hold those actions into accountability? What about suicide? I really feel sorry for people who get so depressed that they actually take their own lives. Would "god" forgive them? If there is a god, does he want us to be happy? Or just worship him at all cost? I believe very much so along with you, I can't see any way without a god and I know religion teaches god is going to reward his followers, but what about the ones with no hope? I just don't think god cares...We ruined a perfectly good thing in the beginning of mankind in my opinion.

Its man that does the things you just mentioned. The bible was written by man and no one is perfect or knows the right thing to do in every case. So while its unfair to blame god for every wrong doing in our lives, I can't understand you being upset about it (not you specifically but in general). I like to think that everything aside, if you try to do the right thing by others and treat others with the same respect they treat themselves and you. Thats the key to having a somewhat decent life, does this mean there will not be tragedy. Ofcourse not but one thing is for sure, that I have heard a million times but its the truth. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Life is filled with blessings and curses. I think the best way to try and look at it , is to enjoy the blessings as much as possible and try not to let the curses drag you down (even though I know it can be hard).

I'm not mad at god, I know we brought all this on ourselves. I was just wondering some opinions on how god views things. Suicide would be destroying the gift that only he could have gave us. Did god in the beginning want us to be happy? Would he forgive someone if they got to that point now?

It's amazing how 666 people voted for me, how IRONIC...hmmm :)