Thanx for all that good info Rod. One guy who reviewed them said they were very close to M--------'s with out paying the high price and I didn't read one unfavorable comment about them.
"and for the money, Kuhmos are hard to beat." From the reviews I read that's what I gathered and your favorable comments were icing on the cake.
I don't consider this off topic because like an expendable serpentine belt, tires wear out to, and if we can share personal experiences with any automotive product and help folks get a good product at a good price, I think that makes this great forum even better.