Ok...so i've been deciding which i should get. Which would cost less to mod?? also could I get some opinions on which u think is better and why. Thanks

wrong forum, but i will try to put in my 2 cents.

two totally different class of cars. your comparing a semi luxurious fwd car to a TT rear wheel drive flag ship nissan.

a TT is very very very expensive to maintain, and working on it is impossible casue of the lack of space. however power potential is much much greater. you can get 400whp out of the stock turbos. the chassis is also better sorted to handle the power since its RWD and its actually designed for it. the initial cost is probrably less then the GTi.

the 1.8T depending on year as i have learned makes a big difference in how much power it can make when modded. anything below a 01 model will max out at 220-230whp while the newer ones have larger turbos and injectors that allows it to make more power with similar mods. but parts for the GTi isn't much cheaper then the Z since its german and they like to rape people who drive german cars for mods. also its FWD so when your making more then like 300whp it will kill your axles, yoru tranny and you'll have a hard timing putting down the power. the suspension isn't as well sorted either since it has a torsen twist beam in teh rear to save cost of production and its too softly sprung stock and alittle too heavy stock too. and oh yeah expect a shit load of electrical problems too when buying a vw or audi.

so after naming the pros and cons for both its up to you to decide.

Get the Civic.

The Golf will undoubtedly be cheaper to maintain. If you've ever looked at a 300ZXTT's engine you'd see the biggest nightmare in the world. I don't know how anybody works on that engine.

The 300ZXTT has alot more potential though. I know a dude w/ a 520whp one, and man, that suckers fast. The Golf would require alot more money to pump out to that hp level.

It's all up to you to decide. Is this gonna be your daily driver, or a weekend warrior?

it'll be my daily driver..but i wont be beating on it that much.

520whp..nice..how much in mods+labor did that cost to get there?

It costed the dude a fortune. He paid over $12K as I recall, but the work was rather extensive. My understanding is that he has larger turbos (He could've gone larger but wanted a 1/4 mile monster with no lag), forged internals (Pistons, rods, etc..), larger intercooler, and some other choice options. Honestly I believe he said that the car isn't even completely tuned yet, as he just got it back a little over a month ago. After more tuning he should be making around 550whp. What's weird is his torque. The car makes well over 500wtq.

Haven't seen any GTI's pumping out that kinda power, though i'm sure it's possible with the VR6 motor, a turbo, and alot of other upgrades.

As a daily driver a GTi would be a better car. Its more luxurious, can carry 4 people, and it has more space to put stuff. Many younger people come on here thinking that a sports car would be a great car to own and drive every day. They hear 500hp and suddenly thats all that matters. The second you start modifying cars like that the fuel economy goes to hell, it becomes less reliable, and more of a pain to drive in traffic. The 300zx TT would make a great second car, but as a daily driver it would quickly become a huge pain in the ass.

When I bought my car I was in a similar situation. I could have easily bought a Corvette Z06 for the price of my M3. The Z06 was undoubtedly the faster car with its 405hp V8 and relative ease to modify, but Corvettes arn't comfortable cars, and I was in the market for a fun daily driver, not an all out sports car. I sacrificed alot of power, but I got a car I could actually live with.

I know its hard to say no to a twin turbo 300zx, but you'll thank me in the long run. The GTi 1.8t is still capable of pleanty of power, and will rock many Civics, RSXs, stock SRT4s (if there is such a thing), etc. Save the RWD sportscar for when you don't have to drive it all the time.

How old are you?

If you are still a student, stay away from the TT. IT will cost you more than you want to know about. Insurance, mods, maintaince, etc.

That said, I love the TT alot more than any VW. <- personal opinion.

As said above though, these are two completely different cars, not really a good comparison. I think you may need to spend a bit more time considering exactly what you want out of your next car. Because you sound like me way back in the day.

Before I knew alot, I went up to a few dealerships and said, I want a 3000GT or a honda prelude. Again, 2 totally different cars, each good for somethings, and bad for others.

Haven't seen any GTI's pumping out that kinda power, though i'm sure it's possible with the VR6 motor, a turbo, and alot of other upgrades.

These cars might be a little unrealistic for a normal person to build, but rediculous numbers are possible from VWs.

http://www.eurotuner.com/featuredvehicles/160_0406_dahlback/

This Golf produces an estimated 1,000hp from a 5 cylinder and revs to almost 11,000rpms. It has a nasty habit of breaking axles and had traction problems in 5th.

http://hpamotorsports.com/products_turbo_twin.htm

This company produces a more civil twin turbo package that puts the VR6 at ~500hp.

whats wrong with driving a 300ZX TT all the time?

Also, im 18 and no im not a student. Another thing..i see 300ZX TT's with around 400+ whp and under 5,000 miles on ebay for around 18-20k (even saw one with 800 hp, 3k miles). That doesnt sound to expensive to me considering to get a golf gti to that whp (if its even possible) it would cost the same if not alot more.

And when u guys say it costs alot to maintain.....maintain what? can i get some examples of how much something would cost to repair compared to another car.

just get the civic you wont regret it.

whats wrong with driving a 300ZX TT all the time?

Also, im 18 and no im not a student. Another thing..i see 300ZX TT's with around 400+ whp and under 5,000 miles on ebay for around 18-20k (even saw one with 800 hp, 3k miles). That doesnt sound to expensive to me considering to get a golf gti to that whp (if its even possible) it would cost the same if not alot more.

And when u guys say it costs alot to maintain.....maintain what? can i get some examples of how much something would cost to repair compared to another car.



I thought the same thing too. When my honda died, I was 19 or so, and in college. I had 12k banked and figured I could take out a loan for the rest. I dropped 22.5k on my vr4. With taxes and interest on my loan, that came to about 28k. Then came insurance. Have you even tried getting a quote for a Twin Turbo car as an 18 year old male. I had a perfect driving record, adn my first quote was for 5K a year. I got it down to 3k at first.

So here I was, in college, paying $550+ a month for insurance and car payments.

Then you figure in gas. It's TT, so you will need premium. I don't know where you live, but here that is $3+/gallon. Averaging 17mpg, that means every 300-360 miles, I drop $60+ into my gas tank. I don't know how much driving you do, but that gets expensive for me.

Then you have all the maintaince. Oil changes, I do myself, synthetic oil at $5 a quart, every 3k, it adds up. Tuneups, the parts for my tuneup ran me $400 online, figuring on doing all the labor myself. Take it to a dealership, and you will be quoted $1,500-2k.

Then GOD help you if something breaks. I couldn't drive my freaking car for over a year, because I was so freaking broke, that I couldn't afford the expensive freaking parts for any random repair that was needed. And yes, TT cars 10+ years old, need repairs, I don't care how great condition you buy them in....and it only gets worse the more power they have.

Then if you are lucky, you maybe able to afford a mod every once in awhile.

With what I had to go through the first 2 years I owned my car, paying $550 a month to own and insure it, at LEAST $120 a month for gas, more for school tuition, and another $650 for rent/utilities/water, it made my life a living hell. Buying groceries became rough.

Ever drive to a soup kitchen in a TT-sports car? :grinyes:

I thougth I could afford it to, and trust me, it was a PITA until I got out of school and got a good paying fulltime job. So unless your parents have nothing better to do, then throw money at you, or you are already working full-time for more than $7 an hour....do yourself a favor, buy something cheaper and more reliable for now.

Plus there is the added bonus of less hp to kill yourself with :iceslolan

well a GTi isn't exactly goin to cheap to maintain either. a GTi still uses premium and with such a small turbo, the turbo will always be spooling and it'll be hard to drive off boost. it also must use synthetic oil ( 5 quarts just like the Z ) the brakes are expensive as hell becaseu they got that gay sensor thing attached to it to let the driver know his brakes are low vs 60 dollars for some nice axxis brake pads for the Z.

then you have the timing belt for the Z which is a nightmare to do but guess what? my co workers audi A4 1.8t needs his timing belt changed and guess how much the dealer wants to change it for? $1200. not exactly cheap and i bet you the Z's timing belt job would cost less.

so basically maintenance stuff will cost about the same. the only advantage i see the 1.8T is that you can change your own spark plugs.

now the 1.8T isn't that reliable either, they have electrical problems which cost a fortune to fix, but the Z is so hard to fix that most shops wouldn't even take it in for repairs.

Civic homie... it's looking better every post.

think about the future my man!....

I thougth I could afford it to, and trust me, it was a PITA until I got out of school and got a good paying fulltime job. So unless your parents have nothing better to do, then throw money at you, or you are already working full-time for more than $7 an hour....do yourself a favor, buy something cheaper and more reliable for now.


Well, i work for 30-50 hours a week depending on schedule at 8.00$ an hour. I dont pay any bills except for my cell phone bill which is only 40$ a month.

so basically maintenance stuff will cost about the same. the only advantage i see the 1.8T is that you can change your own spark plugs.


And as TatIII stated the GTi and 300ZX TT cost about the same to maintain..and the insurance is only about 100$ more a month then a GTi. Sounds to me like a 300ZX TT will be the better bang for my buck.

omg... u have no idea what your getting into... ohh well u will soon learn

All that work your going to be doing and 90 to 100% of your cash is gunna go to a TT. Just get the gti spend 3 k on mods and be happy with the money your saving.

ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR prepare for your future and buy a civic imo

First off...you don't need a 500whp 300ZXTT or GTi. I do. Just kidding, but really, what the hell are you gonna do with 500 plus fucking wheel horse power in any car for a daily driver? The stuff you need to have done to support that kind of horsepower at the wheels will make the car damned hard to drive. And honestly, unless you live in a town full of fucking C6 Z06s, 07 Shelby Stangs, and Vipers...you won't need 500whp to win a stop light battle.

If you want a daily driver, by something reliable. The whole point of a dd is having a car that will get your ass to work and back with out breaking down. If you want a quick dd, then get a car that even as you mod it, it will be reliable. Civic, Integra, something like that. Hell, maybe a Sentra SE-R Spec V.

A 300ZX will be hell to work on becuase Nissan basically took the biggest (in size) engine they could, made it even bigger for some ass odd reason, and then found the tinest engine bay in the world and said "Hmm, this looks like a good idea." Its a Turbo car, so its gonna require a ton of maintence, especially with its age. These cars were purchased, for the most part, to be raced, so they will not age well at all.

A GTi will rape you in costs. I know. For some ass odd reason, the aftermarket loves to charge an arm and a fucking leg for Euro cars. Weather you have a Vdub or a Ferrari, the same exact part for a domestic or Japanese car that costs 150 will cost somewhere well above 300. Hell, I can use an example...the cheapest exhaust system that is of halfway decent quality for my 325i, not M, just 325i, costs about as much as an excellent quality exhaust for an FD. I can't comment on the reliability issue with the electric gremlins, my family has owned two Audis and we've had zero problems with them, and Porsche, under the VAG is like, the second most reliable car on the JD Power list. I think, dont quote me on that.

So, you want my advice? Well too fucking bad, your getting it anyways. Get a cheap japanese four banger, get some bolt ons, and live with it while you get the 300ZXTT, or Supra TT, or HPA R32, or what the fuck ever, and build the hell out of that for your Friday and Saturday night car.

im actually agreeing with cassiesman. when u have a car of over 500hp period for a daily driver...u will not be happy with it in traffic jams, how much gas you burn, etc. i honestly was looking at 300zx's b4. they are all good and dandy on paper, but if you dont have the money to replace 1/2 the stuff on the car for maintanince, then dont get it. having a 300zx is like having a rx-7. much maintainance, and depends on how the previous owner treated, it is what u wil have to replace unless they just replaced it.

if u really want it, go buy it. But have a car to drive eveyday since u will be spending money to maintain/repair it every month

The guys who came up with the engine bay of the 300ZX are probably teh same guys who went to Mazda and said "Yeah, a 13B can breath fine through all the restrictive piping, no problem!"

here's what I suggest you do... since you like the z so much, get a z32 (90-96 model 300zx) n/a (non-turbo)... they can be had for like 7-8 grand with low miles. you can prolly get about 300-320ish BHP (which is the same as a stock TT) and still get decent gas mileage, and reliablilty won't be as much of an issue... ohh yea, did I mention insurance would be assloads cheaper???

^^ I actuall saw a guy selling his 300zx (94) with 125k miles in good shape for $5,500. I damn near bought it but decided not to since I need something that can drive on snow without running into a pole (the z rated tires on it wouldn't have helped either).

well i'm not tellin him to get a Z right off the bat, but how much are you looking to spend? you can get a GTi for around 15-20K used. you can get a decent Z for 12K, then spend rest the money to fix everything!! and i mean everything!!

all the vacuum lines, replace the rubber intercooler pipes, leaky seals, new timing belt, water pump, new wiring harness ( those are the first to go ) and make it run reliable. you can probrably get that done with 3K or 4K if you go all out. then the engine and electronics should be almost brand new with you spending 15-16K and you have a 300+ hp car.

remember if you get the Z you have to fix it before you drive it. no matter how good condition it is, IT WILL BREAK. so that is why i strongely suggest you save a few thousand dollars to fix everything eitehr when it breaks or before it breaks.

then for the money you spend on a stock GTi, you got a pretty reliably TT Z, just don't go too crazy with it. keep it mild and it should be very very reliable, and drive just like stock.

besides alot of cars are good stock.

lots of kids start to mod their car within a month of ownership and dont realize how good their car came engineered from the factory

Get this... (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=199538540&dealer_id=88237&car_year=2004&search_type=both&make=HONDA&distance=75&model=CIVIC&address=90815&advanced=&certified=&max_price=18000&bkms=1146717785434&min_price=1&first_record=26&end_year=2004&start_year=2003&isp=y&pager.offset=25&lang=en&cardist=2) It's got performance and reliability all rolled into one... and egg shaped body kit comes standard. How can you go wrong?

damnit i want a Z32 TT myself now!!! i'm just checking out the prices again and i can probrably get a even trade with a stock Z TT. damn those cars look good, but they're just too old for me. i'm goin thru that i want a different car phase again. i hate it when i go throught that phase. i was actually very willing to trade my car in for a 350Z once when some kid offered. ( didn't knwo if he was serious or not, but i was really considering, don't know why. )

Get this... (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=199538540&dealer_id=88237&car_year=2004&search_type=both&make=HONDA&distance=75&model=CIVIC&address=90815&advanced=&certified=&max_price=18000&bkms=1146717785434&min_price=1&first_record=26&end_year=2004&start_year=2003&isp=y&pager.offset=25&lang=en&cardist=2) It's got performance and reliability all rolled into one... and egg shaped body kit comes standard. How can you go wrong?


And it's got AC :naughty:



Funny thing, I just read your other thread, and figured out where you got the idea for the TT Z and the GTI. You are 17, go testdrive some cars with your parents, buy a Honda or something, and go at it again when you're 20.
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I still don't think he gets it.