Supercharge or Turbo???

BlackFirebird · 02-21-2006, 11:35 AM

Hello I am a new user. I drive a v6 2001 firebird and I was wondering if a supercharger or a turbocharger would be better for me or maybe even twin turbo (if they even make any of these performance parts for my car). If you do know of any of theses parts and what would be better please post and tell me what would be better for what and who the manufacturere is ... Thank you.

doodad · 02-21-2006, 11:42 AM

turbo..

BlackFirebird · 02-21-2006, 12:45 PM

Well what would be a good turbo in your opinion??

doodad · 02-21-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackFirebird

Well what would be a good turbo in your opinion??

well l wish l could be able to asnwer your question but l cant.. the only thing l know, turbo is better, (heard it somewhere) and our moderator Mr.Luos said this '' if it is not overt 3000 - 3500 bucks, it is not a real turbo'' so it is a little bit costly.

take care.. l am sure.. other members will help you..
Erdal

Mr. Luos · 02-21-2006, 01:02 PM

There are kits for the V6.
Turbo is more effiecient. But don't get fooled by any EBay auctions.

Maybe try looking through this forum...It is the V6 boosted section.
http://www.camarov6.com/ubb/ultimate...?ubb=forum;f=4

BlackFirebird · 02-21-2006, 01:04 PM

Well thank you ... I know not to buy from ebay ... i have never really been a fan of buying stuff from it ... I was just wondering if there was a name brand or soemthing like that ... Also how much psi am i able to run in my car??? Do you have and idea of how much horse power gain i will get... Also is what else do i have to buy with the turbo ... Ive heard i have to get and intercooler from my friends and stuff ... im still really new to fixing up my car and putting add ons to it... so i will asking for a lot of advice ...

doodad · 02-21-2006, 01:11 PM

since we have the thread l would like to ask a question too..

how turbo works?? l know turbo uses the exhasut system but how it works? and cant l just put the turbo and run? do l have to use boost also? what is that psi? someone pls. give me a detailed information about turbo..?

thank you..

BlackFirebird · 02-21-2006, 01:19 PM

Yes also with the turbo what would be the best exhaust system to run with it??? if you have ideas please tell me i would be very gratefull for it

Mr. Luos · 02-21-2006, 01:46 PM

I am not versed at all on turbos. I know how to install...but that is about it.
I know the very basics.

PSI = amount of boost (pounds per square inch)
Boost = Air charge given by supercharger or turbo

I don't know what turbos are good for what motors. Obviously bigger turbo for larger motors.

Check this out for much more info.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm

Fuzzy_C · 02-21-2006, 02:02 PM

there's a shop here that for $8500 the guy will twin turbo any vehicle, that would be pretty sweet if i could afford it

Anthosbd · 02-21-2006, 02:04 PM

I'm not an expert, but from what I understand, this is it:
Turbos use exhaust gas to turn a turbine (whereas superchargers use a belt usually). Superchargers are less complex and more consistent, but turbos give you more power per psi. The reason superchargers are more consistent (I think) is the lag that turbos have. This is because the more exhaust gas you have spinning the turbines the faster they turn, and the more boost and power you get. The smaller the turbo, the less lag, but also less power. Superchargers are providing boost even when they're idling, just not as much. Turbochargers almost always have to be intercooled, whereas a supercharger usually doesn't. It all depends on what size, how much psi, and what kind of car, but generally speaking, this is true.
A turbo charger also burns oil or something (this is where I'm really sketchy) which makes them a little less reliable, but from what I understand this isn't as much of a problem nowdays because of the way they're made, but I really don't know much about reliability. All I know is that it has something to do with the exhaust gas that sits in the turbo after the engine is turned off cooking off from the heat. Also, turbos spin faster, and get hotter hence the need for an intercooler.
Also (again, from what I understand) superchargers are much less complex, although you'll need to tune either one to get it right. I was actually just looking into this two nights ago, so most of this should be relatively accurate, but I'm no expert, as I said, and you should definitely look into it in great detail before you invest all of that money in either one.
To sum up this rediculously long post in a few short sentances:
Superchargers are more consistent and (I've been told) more reliable.
Turbos require an intercooler, which is more money and more work, because they spin faster and get hotter.
Turbos produce more power with the same amount of boost.
You need to get it tuned either way.
And as far as making a kit for your car, if you look hard enough you can find anything online (as I'm sure you know.)
Sorry to rant, and if I'm wrong about anything I said, someone please correct me so I don't lead this guy to believe a myth or a lie.

97cavalier · 02-21-2006, 03:58 PM

when i had my supra turbo, every time i shut it off i had to let it cool for five or more min to let the turbo cool, or you can fuck it up. and it is VERY important to change you oil on time and run syntheic with a turbo because that is what keeps it cool and lubes all the bearings in there.if you are going to turbo any thing, switch to metal head gaskets, with all that boost, they blow left and right. This was a big problem for the supra, till people started to switch with a metal gasket.

tri-power · 02-21-2006, 11:10 PM

Most if not all turbos use oil as both coolant and lubrication. They are more efficient in the fact that that they don't rob HP. Whereas the supercharger does take some away from the belt drive.

The turbo will experience some lag at low speeds like on take off but they climb when the rpms come up.

The thing to consider doing if you plan to run a turbo is to run braided oil lines to the turbo, and consider a high pressire oil pump to make sure that oil is moving efficiently, as turbos do generate a lot of heat.

79Bandit · 02-22-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuzzy_C

there's a shop here that for $8500 the guy will twin turbo any vehicle, that would be pretty sweet if i could afford it

sry to change the subject but nice car fuz

BlackFirebird · 02-22-2006, 01:36 PM

Is there any thing that im going to have to change with exhaust???? cause I was talking to my friend about turbos and he said that the exhaust pipeing would be weird if i did turbo my firebird.... and also what else could i do to my car for more horsepower... I was also talking to my friend about this ... he said that if i had forced induction that i couldnt get a cold air intake cause the turbo would already do that ... i couldnt get new headers .... and all tha other stuff ... he said main thing is to just get pullys ... short throw shifter and thats about it ... if you have anything else that i oculd do please tell me...

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