hey u noe when your driving and all you see is hondas with exaust that puts it at 120 hp

i just want to noe wwhat you think about them

hey u noe when your driving and all you see is hondas with exaust that puts it at 120 hp

i just want to noe wwhat you think about themDepends on the driver and what other mods are done. I actually like the way Honda Civic looks and wouldn't mind owning a '99 or '00 SI. You can do many more engine swaps with a civic than with the neon and pretty easily also.

I will agree that some Honda owners put the fart can on and think they have a car from the Fast and the Furious. Sad, but hey to each their own.

The driver counts for a lot, but you still need the tools of the car to get up and go... There are plenty of Civics like that around here. They all have two things and two things only: a body kit and a fart-can... and they put the whole car in primer and leave it like that, like they ran out of money for paint or something. Most of them I come across run like 17.5 1/4 or higher.

Hondas are good dependable cars with a lot of performance parts available. Having lots of parts can be both good and bad. Some of the Hondas i've run across are actually slower in their moded form than when they were new, same with about half of the neons I see too.

Some of the Hondas i've run across are actually slower in their moded form than when they were new, same with about half of the neons I see too.That could be because of the huge wing and heavy sound system people put in their car and still want to go fast. I thought the idea was to get lighter and quicker?!?!?!

Replace those factory 14" alloys with some 17"s and some wide tires... Perfect for parking or looking at tail lights.

i have a srt-4 not a neon
its like sayin i have a wrx when i have a sti

for a civic u have to spend a fortune just to get up to srt4 capability

for a civic u have to spend a fortune just to get up to srt4 capabilityBut you would still spend less than you would on an SRT!

i have a srt-4 not a neon
its like sayin i have a wrx when i have a sti

dont kid yourself my friend, you do drive a neon. be proud of that, neons have a long legacy of scca autocross championships!

for less than $10,000 i can build you an 11 second honda. there is no way your going to be able to do that with a neon chassis! its just not possiable. it is true, most honda's are goofy looking slugs, dont underestimate them!

dont kid yourself my friend, you do drive a neon. be proud of that, neons have a long legacy of scca autocross championships!The first gen neon that is :smile:

for less than $10,000 i can build you an 11 second honda. there is no way your going to be able to do that with a neon chassis!For $10,000 in a neon, you don't think a big turbo, nitrous, sticky tires, and alot of weight reduction would get you there?

Anyone notice that the SRT-4 ACR uses 16" wheels instead of the standard equipment 17"s.
The reduced tire/wheel weight is supposed to make it quicker on the AutoX courses.

i dont like hondas because (stated above)they get a fart can and body kit and they think they have a race car. the 06 si looks pretty nice and it has a claimed 197hp but as with all hondas they lack torque it has a claimed 136lbs. what are they thinking.

The first gen neon that is :smile:

For $10,000 in a neon, you don't think a big turbo, nitrous, sticky tires, and alot of weight reduction would get you there?


no, what im saying is that for 10k i can buy a honda and make it that fast! not additional 10, but 10 total

no, what im saying is that for 10k i can buy a honda and make it that fast! not additional 10, but 10 totalYeah, I think you can build an 11 second neon for $10,000. Let's see...

Used 97-99 ACR neon $1500 (already comes w/koni's)
Hahn Racecraft Stage II Turbo $3000
Nitrous Express Kit $580
Driveshaftshop Stage III Axles $1000
Top end rebuild $1200
Bottom end rebuild $1200

That's around $8500 and you would need your slicks and a few other things. It might run a tad over 10, but it may not be by much. Damn Tex, you got $10,000 grand to give me and I'll see what I can do :)...it might even be less if I got used stuff!

i have a srt-4 not a neon
its like sayin i have a wrx when i have a sti

just so you know it is called a wrx sti not just a sti

for 10 grand you can make a honda so much faster than a neon it is unbelievable all you have to do is get urself a crx and swap a h22a into it and you will be running a pretty quick quarter mile on just the engine no turbo or anything and you can probably do that for like 6000 that gives you 4 more to add other shit

i also want to say that i do hate the rice grinders too but if you actually work on your honda it will be a nice car my friend has a 90 prelude si and he has everything done to it except turbo and nos and he runs a 15.8 in the quarter and that is not bad since he doesnt have turbo or nos

for 10 grand you can make a honda so much faster than a neon it is unbelievable all you have to do is get urself a crx and swap a h22a into it and you will be running a pretty quick quarter mile on just the engine no turbo or anything and you can probably do that for like 6000 that gives you 4 more to add other shitI can buy a neon for $1000 and swap in a 2.4 stratus or PT engine or swap in an SRT-4 engine for less than $6000 and be faster than your CRX swap.

my friend has a 90 prelude si and he has everything done to it except turbo and nos and he runs a 15.8 in the quarter and that is not bad since he doesnt have turbo or nosA stock manual neon will do 15.8 without any mod's and a decent driver.

I DO NOT LIKE THE FART Pipes, i mean wtf is that supposed to sound like

I DO NOT LIKE THE FART Pipes, i mean wtf is that supposed to sound like

Well, on a Honda, it usually sounds like a wet fart after eating too much soy sauce...

AND:

"...the 06 si looks pretty nice and it has a claimed 197hp but as with all hondas they lack torque it has a claimed 136lbs. what are they thinking."

True. Like Carrol Shelby used to say: "Horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races." There's a lot of truth to that... Calculating horsepower by it's original definition is kind of tricky in the real world, but in essence, it's the ability for an engine to accelerate upward through the RPM range while applying torque. Torque is the maximum amount of output force that an engine can sustain at a given RPM. I would take a motor with 160hp/195ft-lbs of torque over a motor with 195hp/160ft-lbs of torque any day of the week.

true. but just cause it has no torque dont mean its not quick. the new celuica gts only has 130tq and runs 14s. what model neon runs a 15.8? which engine. how much do the older neons weigh? i raced my cousins neon its an older one and we were about even.

what model neon runs a 15.8? which engine. how much do the older neons weigh?Just about any Manual Neon from 95-99 with either the SOHC or DOHC engine can run 15.8 stock. If someone can't, then they need some serious driving lessons. The 95-99 neons, depending on options like PW, PL, AC, and whatnot, can weigh in around 2400-2500 lbs. Stripped down, you can get it to around 2100-2200!

i know i cant run a 15.8 in my car and i ran even with my cousins neon on the highway. hes a very good driver too ive rode with him.

hes a very good driver too ive rode with him.He isn't that good if he can't pull 15.8 in a manual neon. Hell the stock DOHC ATX neon can pull around 16.5 stock and it is the slowest and heaviest of the first gen neons!

whatever you say i have seen a lot of neons and i have never seen a stock one run a 15.8 but whatever you say captain

Anyone see Car and Driver TV this weekend?
SRT4 Rules! The Honda owners could only drool.

i also want to say that i do hate the rice grinders too but if you actually work on your honda it will be a nice car my friend has a 90 prelude si and he has everything done to it except turbo and nos and he runs a 15.8 in the quarter and that is not bad since he doesnt have turbo or nos

I don't have turbo or N2O and I'll be running much quicker than a 15.8 in my Honda....

3rd gen preludes are, for the most part, junk.

ok first black scorpion you said on the highway thats not from a sit still running a quarter mile, thats a down shift and go. the car your friend has and a neon cannot be compaired in the 1/4 times if your running from a roll.

second justasol what are you running in a 1/4 because you said you had everything short of boost or spray. we are talking 15.8 stock neon nothing added so take what you have on your car and add all that to a neon and they will have a better time than you. hondas stock are in 17's in the 1/4. soo as the comment above its not a comparison. take your car and a neon with exact same mods and run the 1/4 see who wins.............................................. .................................................. ..............................................oh yeah why are all these honda owners in here.............................................. .........................................oh yeah honda owners what it like being able to buy parts for your cars at walmart?

heh heh 95 base model neon stripped of various things weighs in at 2133. But yea I would love to own good ole prelude I love the looks of them

ok first black scorpion you said on the highway thats not from a sit still running a quarter mile, thats a down shift and go. the car your friend has and a neon cannot be compaired in the 1/4 times if your running from a roll.

second justasol what are you running in a 1/4 because you said you had everything short of boost or spray. we are talking 15.8 stock neon nothing added so take what you have on your car and add all that to a neon and they will have a better time than you. hondas stock are in 17's in the 1/4. soo as the comment above its not a comparison. take your car and a neon with exact same mods and run the 1/4 see who wins.............................................. .................................................. ..............................................oh yeah why are all these honda owners in here.............................................. .........................................oh yeah honda owners what it like being able to buy parts for your cars at walmart?

I was referring to dudes '90 prelude, but if you really want to knock on my car, I'll make you look like an idiot as well.

sorry bud, I don't buy my parts from wal-mart and there a tons of stock Hondas running quicker than a 17.

I was referring to dudes '90 prelude, but if you really want to knock on my car, I'll make you look like an idiot as well.

sorry bud, I don't buy my parts from wal-mart and there a tons of stock Hondas running quicker than a 17.

your funny, and you drive a honda, kind of a double threat huh? so im still waitin for your 1/4 mile time. im glad your so confident you can beat me. can you beat a stock srt4 with your pos? well hope to meet the wonderful and amazingly fast walmart mobile your driven.

your funny, and you drive a honda, kind of a double threat huh? so im still waitin for your 1/4 mile time. im glad your so confident you can beat me. can you beat a stock srt4 with your pos? well hope to meet the wonderful and amazingly fast walmart mobile your driven.

whoa there buddy, I never said I could beat you. I haven't run the car yet, but I'm very confident in saying low 14's will be my worst time. I'm supposed to get to an 1/8 mile track sometime after the 20th. not sure if I'll get to a 1/4 mile track before they close. anyway, please quote where I said I could beat you or even cared about racing you or what car you drove.

this only turned into a pissing contest when you said absolute BS about Hondas. I really got on here to say something to the prelude guy.

well this is a car site and you did say make me look like an idiot so i figured you were talkin about in a car. so as i figured you will be in a slow honda. i will be in a high 12 second first gen neon in the 1/4 without boost and without spray so its fair to say your not in my class as long as you in a walmart mobile. anyways im not here to here how hondas are fast go back to the honda forum

well this is a car site and you did say make me look like an idiot so i figured you were talkin about in a car. so as i figured you will be in a slow honda. i will be in a high 12 second first gen neon in the 1/4 without boost and without spray so its fair to say your not in my class as long as you in a walmart mobile. anyways im not here to here how hondas are fast go back to the honda forum

will be? oh that's right, I saw your threads asking questions about sleeves and your 12.5 compression pistons and your cutting of the intake manifold....yeah, all I'm lacking is a dyno session with tuning. good luck getting into the 12's though.

ok ....oh yeah why are all these honda owners in here.............................................. .........................................oh yeah honda owners what it like being able to buy parts for your cars at walmart?

You wanna know Why?..... Well... Hondas are like assholes, everybody has one!!!!! :loser:

You wanna know Why?..... Well... Hondas are like assholes, everybody has one!!!!! :loser:

LMAO!!! very true and they all come w/ stupid wings & annoying fart cans! I saw a kid pulled over by the FHP for having his fart can too loud on the Interstate.

by the way, for some who may not be Chrysler-affiliated, there is one car for sure that can burn most modded Civics, any Chrysler K-car w/ the 2.2 turbo I or II motor. The best off all the 2.2 turbos was in the '92 Dodge Spirit R/T w/ a 2.2 DOHC Turbo III motor. That car is a sit-down-shut-up-and-hold-on-for-dear-life rocket ship on four wheels that came w/ 224 HP, about what the SRT4 makes today. The 2.2 was the most reliable engine Chrysler ever made, next to the 318 V8. VTEC is fine and good, but that 2.2 is all natural w/ over 200 lb. ft. of torque, REAL power.

THEFREAKNASTY82..................YOUR MY HERO, these god forsaken honda owners will never understand the concept of torque............................................ .........................im done with this thread its getting repetive

will be? oh that's right, I saw your threads asking questions about sleeves and your 12.5 compression pistons and your cutting of the intake manifold....yeah, all I'm lacking is a dyno session with tuning. good luck getting into the 12's though.

what do you drive? a del sol?

what do you drive? a del sol?

sure do, is that a problem?

there's a whole lot of ignorance in this post from the start. so, to all these people ragging on Honda, what do you drive?

wow, a 2.2L turbo making 224 HP...an S2000 makes 240 HP with an N/A 2.0 and 2.2L.

I'm not saying DC makes bad cars and Hondas are better. they both have good points and bad points, just like every auto maker. anyway, what do you all drive? since you're sooooo fast.....

sure do, is that a problem?

there's a whole lot of ignorance in this post from the start. so, to all these people ragging on Honda, what do you drive?

wow, a 2.2L turbo making 224 HP...an S2000 makes 240 HP with an N/A 2.0 and 2.2L.

I'm not saying DC makes bad cars and Hondas are better. they both have good points and bad points, just like every auto maker. anyway, what do you all drive? since you're sooooo fast.....

If you saw what I said earlier I said that in 1992 that car made 224 HP and 214 lb. ft. of torque, nearly 16 years ago, the '92 Dodge Spirit R/T was, AT THAT TIME, the fastest production sedan w/ an ungoverned top speed of 141 MPH. Yes the S2000 makes 240 HP, but you have to wind the motor up to 9000 RPM to get the power. Everyone here is sold on HP, ok that's all fine and good. Like I said earlier and everyone else has said, TORQUE IS WHAT MAKES THE CAR GO FROM A STANDSTILL!!! HP is only good in the high RPM. I'm not here to say that Mopar is better than Honda, by no means. I'm giving you inside information, being a Chrysler enthusiast, as to other alternative engines that can compete with Modded Hondas and whatever. And by the way, IMO, my car is better than any Civic, I drive a 2002 Dodge Intrepid. I considered an '04 Civic last year but changed my mind b/c it was way to small for me (I'm 6'1" 265 lb. I need a lot of room). Plus, my car(2.7 V6 200 HP @5800 RPM, 190 lb. ft. torque @ 4850 RPM) makes ample power for me to give these modded Civics a run for their money. If I can find one, I'm going to get a 2001 Dodge Intrepid w/ a 3.5 SOHC V6 making 250 HP and 250 lb. ft. of torque. I saw one destroy a Nissan Maxima (newer model w/ 265 HP). Not bad for a stock vehicle that weighs over 3600 lb.!

[QUOTE=JustaSolVTEC]sure do, is that a problem?

there's a whole lot of ignorance in this post from the start. so, to all these people ragging on Honda, what do you drive?

wow, a 2.2L turbo making 224 HP...an S2000 makes 240 HP with an N/A 2.0 and 2.2L.

I'm not saying DC makes bad cars and Hondas are better. they both have good points and bad points, just like every auto maker. anyway, what do you all drive? since you're sooooo fast.....[/QUOTE

no im not implying that the del sol is a bad car, its acyually quite fast with the 160hp vtec considering it only weighs 2000 lbs. not to mention it handles very well. i think del sols are great little cars, wouldnt mind owning one myself.

and the s2000 has high hp but its all hp and no torque. which means like he said slow off the line. and the s2000 is a high compression engine that doesnt respond well to mods and cant run high boost without blowing up. and the 2.2 is responsive to mods, has alot of torque, and power in the useable rpm range. plus it wont blow up at high boost. the s2000 is great and all but the engine is pretty maxed out from the factory. so unless you spend alot building up the internals dont expect to get much out of it.

yes each car maker has strengths and weaknesses and hondas weakness is that they have no torque. if they wanted a good hp/tq ratio the hp would have to be lowered dramatically. so average to gether the hp amd tq of ur engine and thats how good it truly is. plus s2000 are expensive as hell.

torque in a walmart mobile? not happening! anyways what is your argument? im not sure what justasol is trying to enlighten us on..?

actually, if you take a look at any honda other then the small cars, their horsepower and torque are roughly equal.

and guess what, the small cars are made to be economical, long lasting, and gas efficient. the S2000, it's quicker then you think actually, because it's so light.

take a look at the lotus elise, it's (i think) got a honda engine... and it's VERY competitative on the race course.


and take a look at the neon r/t (what i have), 150hp... but wow... only like 135lb-ft of torque... it's not only honda's that have cars that have more hp then torque.

pik d i see your not getting the concept of this thread. im wont even elaborate. the elise is slow as balls and so is the s2000. my nearly stock 220 hp gst has beaten both badly. i had an RT 2 yrs ago and beat every s2 i came across. not saying the s2 cant be very fast but its hard to take it past what it already is. yes it has 240 hp thats at like what 8000rpms. so the torque we are talking about is what it takes to move the car from a sit still. that is where all hondas fail. fine from a run s2's are quick, .................................................. .........................................just so noone is confused i do own a neon its under consturction at the moment thou, so dont think im trying to brag about my boosted gst, because im not when im done with my new RT its gonna murder my gst.

you had a neon r/t that beat s2000's? was your neon stock?

i'd like to see you back up that the elise is slow. it gets from 0-60mph in 4.9 seconds, and can hit 150mph. source (http://www.sandsmuseum.com/cars/elise/thecar/performance/performance.html). i'd say that's impressive for only 138lb-ft of torque.

this sounds like another "I hate Jap cars; I hate American cars" forum. As in the infamous words of Rodney King after he got his behind kicked, "Can't we all just get along?"

no my RT was far from stock, and im in tampa, i see atleast 1 elise a day most dont wanna race but the few i have run are slow. i never ran the elise in my neon but my gst made short work of them. my new neon project is gonna be alot faster than my last.

so... how can you judge stock honda's (you do seem to be saying honda's as a collective) against a modded car?

do you think your stock neon would have been able to destroy those cars just as easily had it been stock? i drive a 5-speec 2003 neon R/T, and i dont feel like i have a fast car by any respects... sure, maybe i can take stock civics, but thats not what stock civics are MADE for.

why not judge cars by what they're ment for, not what you want them to be? elise's were made for the track, not the straight line.

also, what went into your gst that helped you make short work of them? and what were your times vs. their times?

well i do alot of it on the streets, but not open rods back roads set up races so they are not timed. also my gst is about 10 hp over stock. you need to read this thread in it entirty it started with hondas with fart cans think they are fast. they are not. and yes some are fast but not stock ones. the only honda i would stand up for is the nsx............................................... .................................................. .............so to sum it up. hondas in general modded or unmodded are not fast but there are the select few. im not saying my modded rt is beating un modded hondas what im saying is that 90% are garbage, but the owners dont see it that way. they get on here and talk about the s2 like its god and its nothing more than a lawn mower with a shell on top of it. anyways this shit is getting repetitive and im getting bored with this thread.

you're incredibly ignorant. you lost all credibility when you said you beat a Lotus Elise with a 220HP Eclipse.

and by the way, a del Sol weighs about 2350lbs(give or take a few lbs because of the different trim levels) and mine isn't stock....at all.

whatever you say i have seen a lot of neons and i have never seen a stock one run a 15.8 but whatever you say captain

Hmm I think I could (or anyone else that knows how to drive) have gotten in a late-90's Neon R/T 5-spd and hit the 15.8 and kept smilin'. I could probably clean my car out and whatever and run close to that in my '04. We might drive it like we stole it but it gets the job done... someone doesn't know much about neons ha ha ha.

Hmm I think I could (or anyone else that knows how to drive) have gotten in a late-90's Neon R/T 5-spd and hit the 15.8 and kept smilin'. I could probably clean my car out and whatever and run close to that in my '04. We might drive it like we stole it but it gets the job done... someone doesn't know much about neons ha ha ha.

exactly. as if that's not enough, running a 15.8 in a Honda with "everything" done to it except for boost or nitrous is nothing special. if you think "everything" is an intake, header, and exhaust, you have much to learn.

this is the reason I got in this thread. not to get into a pissing contest with an ignorant tool who hasn't even built his car yet.

exactly. as if that's not enough, running a 15.8 in a Honda with "everything" done to it except for boost or nitrous is nothing special... not to get into a pissing contest with an ignorant tool who hasn't even built his car yet.

Very good qoute (in my opinion, and thanks for agreeing). I think Honda has excellent quality and sells a good product. And yes, their cars are a LITTLE bit more reliable, but if and when they do break, you'll pay more for them. And as far as straight-line balls-out acceleration is concerned, it is much easier to achieve much better results with a neon, measured in whole seconds with a lot less money than you can with a Honda, period. That's the fact, and if it was different I probably would have bought a Honda instead... but it's not, and that's the way it is. Not to mention the Neon is made in the U.S... a little patroitism for all you nostalgics :-) Not to mention the fact that I work for a Tier 1 supplier direct to Chrysler, and I know first-hand how picky they have been getting about their own quality and performance of their vehicles.

pik d i see your not getting the concept of this thread. im wont even elaborate. the elise is slow as balls and so is the s2000. my nearly stock 220 hp gst has beaten both badly.

Um, hey I have respected your posts, but the Lotus Elise weighs under 2000 lbs stock and has a 190hp Toyota motor to back it, let alone a near 50/50 weight ratio... and the last I saw, it slung out 13.9's in the 1/4-mile bone stock (not sure how skinny the driver was). Nonetheless, there is something to be said for power-to-weight ratio, and this car proves it. If your 220 hp GST beat either of the cars you mentioned, than either A - you have more hp than you think. B - Both drivers of both these cars were horrible drivers or were missing half of the gears in their tranny or were running on gas that was half water. Or C - they had 4 dead bodies in the trunk...

woo, the last few post put into words what i was trying to dig out...

and idriveacab, i DID read the thread in it's entirety, and its basicly you being immature (calling ALL honda's walmart mobiles) and basicly going on an anti-honda rant. and hey guess what... dont blame the car, blame the person. ;) honda's dont think. people do.

i drive a cab, you are full of bullshit. a gst will beat neither a s2000 or an elise. i dont think you see elises all the time cause ive never seen one. if you did see them they wouldnt be afraid cause they have a car that can run 13s. and what does a gst run high 14s?

del sols weigh 2300 i thought they weighed less than that. what does a stock del sol vtec run in the 1/4.

stock, they run a mid-high 15. and I'm not anywhere near stock.

what went into your gst that helped you make short work of them?I could see the GST beating an elise. But the fact that the elise is much lighter would make it close. I think the driver would have alot to do with the outcome.

ok shit brains the stock gst runns low 14's thats when its not gutted and im not stock might be off on my hp but it cant be by much you can call bs all day i see, atleast 3- 4 elises a week. and you think a s2000 can beat my car your foolish go back to your honda sites if you want someone to take your side. oh yeah i pull both those cars off the line by at least a car lenght because they are light they start to pull back up in first but when i shift to second im in full boost and im gone. you apperently have no concept of TORQUE the gst has 198lbs of it that is why i take it off the line not to mention my sticky ass tires............................................. ........................you 2 need to do more research on boosted cars because aprently you have no knowledge of the concept, once they hit boost its all power through the whole band not just after a certain rpm # so i feel im done with this thread it has exhausted itself. besides you two(justasol,black) have not proved anything here as far as technical or concept stand point, just you saying that thats bs and other crap, bring some real info not just opinion.

I could see the GST beating an elise. But the fact that the elise is much lighter would make it close. I think the driver would have alot to do with the outcome.

um, no. the elise runs a full second and a half faster than a GST. 13.5 @102.9mph.

ok shit brains the stock gst runns low 14's thats when its not gutted and im not stock might be off on my hp but it cant be by much you can call bs all day i see, atleast 3- 4 elises a week. and you think a s2000 can beat my car your foolish go back to your honda sites if you want someone to take your side. oh yeah i pull both those cars off the line by at least a car lenght because they are light they start to pull back up in first but when i shift to second im in full boost and im gone. you apperently have no concept of TORQUE the gst has 198lbs of it that is why i take it off the line not to mention my sticky ass tires............................................. ........................you 2 need to do more research on boosted cars because aprently you have no knowledge of the concept, once they hit boost its all power through the whole band not just after a certain rpm # so i feel im done with this thread it has exhausted itself. besides you two(justasol,black) have not proved anything here as far as technical or concept stand point, just you saying that thats bs and other crap, bring some real info not just opinion.

a stock GST runs high 14s-low 15s. sure, a boosted car has torque, but Eclipses weigh around 1000lbs heavier than an Elise. gutting it will save you some weight, but it won't take a second and a half off your stock time. everyone here now knows you're a complete idiot. go put some stickers all over your car. maybe then it'll be fast. RICER!!! :loser:

um, no. the elise runs a full second and a half faster than a GST. 13.5 @102.9mph.That would be stock vs. stock. His car is modded somewhat. I am not saying I believe it, but it is possible. Torque also plays a factor. Keep in mind the people he may be racing on the street may not be as good a driver as the people from the source :grinno:

this kid has no common sense let him keep rambling on and gst's run 14.4 on average stock im in the 13's and how am i a ricer dumbass i am building a neon and my daily driver is a gst i got fro 900$ i hate hondas yet im a ricer. hahahaha you are funny. why do you keep going with this you are proving nothing to anyone. and when you say "everyone here knows your an idiot an idiot" you have no brain this thread is about hondas having no torque and you keep bring it back to me like your obsessed with me. if you have something usefull to say about the topic of this thread please do, but stop trying to swing from my nuts. im tired of hearing that you do not believe me, personally i dont care what you think. you need to be able to recognize bullshit before you call it. and i see a whole lot on the hondas everyday. im not a ricer, im a dodge fan and when my neon kills my gst ill let you know.hahahahahahaha "RICER", YOU ARE FUNNY
NOW GET IN YOU FARTCAN TOTIN WALMART MOBILE AND SHUT THE HOLE

this kid has no common sense let him keep rambling on and gst's run 14.4 on average stock im in the 13's and how am i a ricer dumbass i am building a neon and my daily driver is a gst i got fro 900$ i hate hondas yet im a ricer. hahahaha you are funny. why do you keep going with this you are proving nothing to anyone. and when you say "everyone here knows your an idiot an idiot" you have no brain this thread is about hondas having no torque and you keep bring it back to me like your obsessed with me. if you have something usefull to say about the topic of this thread please do, but stop trying to swing from my nuts. im tired of hearing that you do not believe me, personally i dont care what you think. you need to be able to recognize bullshit before you call it. and i see a whole lot on the hondas everyday. im not a ricer, im a dodge fan and when my neon kills my gst ill let you know.hahahahahahaha "RICER", YOU ARE FUNNY
NOW GET IN YOU FARTCAN TOTIN WALMART MOBILE AND SHUT THE HOLE

you're the one who started running your shit to me. you're way too ignorant to understand anything at all.

...stop trying to swing from my nuts...

He he, haven't heard that one in a while.

I always thought that someone "swinging from your nuts" would mean that they're hanging on you because they're a big fan of you. Either that, or you just have a ballsack that is the size and shape of an amusement park ride. If so, the GST would require a different driver because it would weigh too much with you in it. Ha ha ha anyway...

I think we all understand that maybe your car isn't stock and the people you smoked were probably all-show and no-go drivers, which negates the potential of their cars. We were simply stating that it is a simple fact that a naturally-aspirated stock Lotus Elise WOULD outpace a stock boosted GST by about a second in the quarter assuming the drivers are both driving them to their fullest potential. That's been proven and is no mystery; it's simple power-to-wieght ratio and gearing. Besides, the Elise is the one of the only production cars that you can buy that is under 2000 lbs, especially in that price and performance category. It might not be a practical car, but it'll sling out 13's in the quarter and break g's in the skidpad that will snap weak neckbones.

Not to mention that they sell complete turbo kits for it now that can push short of 400 hp (just the thought of 400 hp and only 2000 lbs makes my wang go north, but my poop go south at the same time); so if we mention what moderate boost in an Elise will do, you'll definitely need more than a GST to hang with it... more like a Saleen S7 or a McClarren F1 or Stage II Hennessy Viper or a Lickedandfelther 'Vette.

i dont even like the gst. i dont care about the elise or the s2000 or any honda i just dont care. i know what i beat and that is that. i didnt say i can or did beat every car out there just the ones ive encountered, they might have sucked at driving, so be it. i dont care. I DONT EVEN LIKE MY GST thats why im building my new neon. hey sheet check out that list of stuff you asked for in the piston thread. and why are we talking about the elise still are we going to get back to the torque issue or what?

Wow this thread is just filled with intelligent debate :rolleyes: