hayabusa vs zx14

do you think the new 2006 kawasaki zx14 is going to take over the hayabusa as the fastest stock sportbike?
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and how do you expect us to figure that out when it hasn't even been released yet? :D

but it sure has me reconsidering about busa being the most ugliest modern sportbike out there.

just askin for a guess.

i dont get what the fuss is about all these gimungus bore bikes, get a gixxer 1k or zx10r and crap on both of those, and youll look nice doing it.

but it sure has me reconsidering about busa being the most ugliest modern sportbike out there.

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kawasaki claims there zx14's to be a "busa' eater" don't quote me on it, but i did hear it from two diffrent dealerships

^yeah, that's what kawi's been calling it. they've always had a rivalry with suzuki over who makes the biggest fastest bike.

i'd rather get a zx10 like ghetto-z said. i've driven a zx12 and that's a pretty cumbersome bike to maneuver, i can only imagine how bulky the zx14 is to move around. i'll bet it's fast like a rocket though.

wait a minute.......... rivalry? i thought suzuki and kawasaki had a partnership.

they did team up to try to outsell honda, but that's different.

what i meant was that they have been trying to one up each other with the most powerfule sportbike. Kawi was on top for a while with the zzr1100/ZX11, then honda put out the CBR1100xx, then suzuki put out the busa in 1999, then kawi made the zx12R in 2000 to try and beat it. Honda kinda stopped trying, and it was just between the Ninja and the 'Busa.

1400 cc's is an awful lot of motor...... Honestly i think it looks like a 250 on rhoids....... kinda ugly if you ask me.... good thing its fast to, cuz i wouldntr be seen on somehting so hideous

I'll never understand the point of a motorcycle that won't go around a corner.

I'll never understand the point of a motorcycle that won't go around a corner.

you must not get Harleys where you live. :lol:

A lot of people freak out at cornering, understandable. Although most sportbikes are designed to enter a corner in high speed than most cars, but after a point, 4 tires on a great and expensive car would outhandle a bike. Cars are easier to drive and easier to corner, great transportation so that defeats any real reason for owning a bike in general, period. So guys on Cruisers buy it for "freedom" factor. And Busa, well basically for straight acceleration, cornering is not on top of the list, although many talented riders do get their knees way down on a Busa. You wouldn't get it because you like to corner, neither would I.

There is something other wordly about leaning into the turn and trying to go horizontally, as oppose to staying still and hugging the outside of the turn. Plus riding a bike require body adjustment, so as a rider, you're skill and competence matters as oppose to being a sedated body on a car.

you must not get Harleys where you live. :lol:
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i dare you to say that in a bar in tallahassee :chair:

you must not get Harleys where you live. :lol:

Unfortunately those rolling roadblocks outnumber just about everything this time of year!

A lot of people freak out at cornering, understandable. Although most sportbikes are designed to enter a corner in high speed than most cars, but after a point, 4 tires on a great and expensive car would outhandle a bike. Cars are easier to drive and easier to corner, great transportation so that defeats any real reason for owning a bike in general, period.

In reality, it doesn't take a supercar to outrun most people on a sportbike. I have passed countless superbikes in the twisties in the bone stock miata I used to drive, and thats an entry level, underpowered sportscar with an average driver. Cars are, as you said, MUCH easier to drive fast than bikes are, and there are a very, very few people that can use the potential of any modern sportbike. The ones that truly can are usually the ones out doing it for a living that you'll never see on a streetbike anyways.

After having the opportunity to share a track and be humbled by a rider like Kevin Schwantz, it truly is amazing what even a bone stock 600 is capable of. I consider myself to be a good rider, but seeing how much more potential there is to be extracted from a streetbike over what any of us mortals can even fathom is truly amazing. I believe that in reality, even an average driver in a nice sportscar like an Evo will have very little competition from motorcyclists on a spirited backroad run, but this is only because of the difficulty of harnessing a bikes potential, and the relative lack of riding ability from the general population of riders. Put someone like Schwantz on a Gixxer 1k with some sticky rubber on a track, and thats where my money is going to go against any production car. Although there are some cars that I'd bet would be very comparable with the right driver, they're just not cars I'll ever personally see or get the chance to run against.

:smokin: The zx-14 will be faster than the Busa' Motorcyclist has posted numbers on the zx-14 at 200BHP and 110 lbs./ft of torque. If you want straight line power either of these will scare the living hell out of you! :evillol: But if you enjoy both straight line and cornering going down to a 1000 cc. If your all about corners a 600 or 750 cc is the way too go. And of course if you a wealthy, and want the best of all worlds!...2006 DUCATI 999 EVO R! :evillol:

busa's suck. i hate workin on them. a gixxer1 w/ a power comander will beat a busa.

Quicker or faster, which?

They say top will be 186, same as the 'Busa.

Unfortunately those rolling roadblocks outnumber just about everything this time of year!



In reality, it doesn't take a supercar to outrun most people on a sportbike. I have passed countless superbikes in the twisties in the bone stock miata I used to drive, and thats an entry level, underpowered sportscar with an average driver. Cars are, as you said, MUCH easier to drive fast than bikes are, and there are a very, very few people that can use the potential of any modern sportbike. The ones that truly can are usually the ones out doing it for a living that you'll never see on a streetbike anyways.

After having the opportunity to share a track and be humbled by a rider like Kevin Schwantz, it truly is amazing what even a bone stock 600 is capable of. I consider myself to be a good rider, but seeing how much more potential there is to be extracted from a streetbike over what any of us mortals can even fathom is truly amazing. I believe that in reality, even an average driver in a nice sportscar like an Evo will have very little competition from motorcyclists on a spirited backroad run, but this is only because of the difficulty of harnessing a bikes potential, and the relative lack of riding ability from the general population of riders. Put someone like Schwantz on a Gixxer 1k with some sticky rubber on a track, and thats where my money is going to go against any production car. Although there are some cars that I'd bet would be very comparable with the right driver, they're just not cars I'll ever personally see or get the chance to run against.
There was a test done in a magazine some time ago where a joe shmo was given a gsxr and 2 other professional motorists were given Porsche GT3 and BMw M3. The one motorist was the WRC champ of a few years ago.

The bike was 5 seconds in front of the supercars around a track.

When passing a bike in the twisties, ask yourself if he is riding hard or cruising cos many times, I let people pass me because I'm enjoying the view and the smell of the air. Now and then some boy with tricked car tries to match me for speed and I leave him clean behind because they ride recklessly trying to maintain the speed I am riding. And my bike is an old bike with bad handling which gets left behind by the latest bikes so I cannot imagine where you get your sample to make the above statement.

There was a test done in a magazine some time ago where a joe shmo was given a gsxr and 2 other professional motorists were given Porsche GT3 and BMw M3. The one motorist was the WRC champ of a few years ago.

The bike was 5 seconds in front of the supercars around a track.

When passing a bike in the twisties, ask yourself if he is riding hard or cruising cos many times, I let people pass me because I'm enjoying the view and the smell of the air. Now and then some boy with tricked car tries to match me for speed and I leave him clean behind because they ride recklessly trying to maintain the speed I am riding. And my bike is an old bike with bad handling which gets left behind by the latest bikes so I cannot imagine where you get your sample to make the above statement.

First off, I call complete bullshit that an "average" rider will even see the taillights of a WRC champ in a GT3 for more than a few seconds. Not going to happen. The average rider is just not fast in any way, shape, or form. I would love to see something to back up that claim.

I have had more riders than I can count wrecklessly and dangerously try to keep up with me in my car through tight mountain roads, and very rarely did I end up having to pull over and wave anyone by. I stand by my statement completely that the average driver will outrun the average rider more often than not. The level of danger and skill required is much higher for a given speed on a bike than it is in a cage.

First off, I call complete bullshit that an "average" rider will even see the taillights of a WRC champ in a GT3 for more than a few seconds. Not going to happen. The average rider is just not fast in any way, shape, or form. I would love to see something to back up that claim.

For a comparison, I think that if I had a Supra and WRC champ had a Fiesta, I would leave him behind on a track because no matter how much time he makes up on the corners with superior riding skill, there is no substitute for raw power to weight ratio. Even though I am slow, the car is fast. Similarly ......

Superbike Mag had test wrt above.

As well, there is a nightclub owner who has a Lambo latest one, Mucielargo? Was caught speeding and put in Newspaper. Confessed to papers that he was having a race with a CBR1000 but couldn't catch it. But then again in your favour, that wasn't mountain riding, was open road.

It would be cool if they had say Hopkins on a Bog Gixer1000 and Schumacher in a bogstandard Ferrari around Isle of man to settle this but I guess asking too much.

Does anybody have a guess as to what causes centre 2 cylinder plugs of an inline4 to foul up badly after a few hundred K's but outer 2 are fine on Carb bike?

Too many hazards on the street to ride a bike at speed in curves. It's a lot easier and more sane to do it in a car. Everyone always says it's the biker's ability but I think it's the fact that he knows he could rip most cars a new one so why risk life and limb. :screwy:

saying busa/ZX14's "dont handle" is kinda like saying water isn't very wet. Is there better handling bikes? Yes. Will you get your ass handed to you by a good rider on a busa/ZX14? Most definitely. For that matter, its mostly the rider in the twisties, anyone that says otherwise reads magazines too much.

200 horsepower? jesus. That's as much power as my 3.4L v6 motor puts out! You gotta be nuts to ride one of those at WOT.

saying busa/ZX14's "dont handle" is kinda like saying water isn't very wet. Is there better handling bikes? Yes. Will you get your ass handed to you by a good rider on a busa/ZX14? Most definitely. For that matter, its mostly the rider in the twisties, anyone that says otherwise reads magazines too much.

While I agree with you, whether or not something handles well is relative. If you compare a Hayabusa to a 600RR, for example, a Hayabusa handles like a pregnant cow.

A good rider will likely outrun a lesser rider regardless of bike, but there's no way around the fact that if the same rider went from trying to throw a Hayabusa around in the mountains to riding a pure sportbike he would be much faster on the latter.

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do you think the new 2006 kawasaki zx14 is going to take over the hayabusa as the fastest stock sportbike?

it all depends what you mean by fastests.
fastests in a straight line?(stock zx14R)
fastests on the track?(god knows at the moment)

there are too many variables in this comparison for there to be an obvious winner...

Does anybody have a guess as to what causes centre 2 cylinder plugs of an inline4 to foul up badly after a few hundred K's but outer 2 are fine on Carb bike?

The centers run a little hotter, so are more vulnerable to lean misfire, but that won't foul plugs. Other than that, a bad carb synch or a choke linkage fault....or something goofy about your intake airflow.

Mod the airbox at all?

First off, I call complete bullshit that an "average" rider will even see the taillights of a WRC champ in a GT3 for more than a few seconds. Not going to happen. The average rider is just not fast in any way, shape, or form. I would love to see something to back up that claim.

I have had more riders than I can count wrecklessly and dangerously try to keep up with me in my car through tight mountain roads, and very rarely did I end up having to pull over and wave anyone by. I stand by my statement completely that the average driver will outrun the average rider more often than not. The level of danger and skill required is much higher for a given speed on a bike than it is in a cage.

Deals is right, I was trying to keep up with my friends 911 GT2 through some hard twisties a few months ago and he pulled away driving safely (from my perspective) while I was riding hard.

While I agree with you, whether or not something handles well is relative. If you compare a Hayabusa to a 600RR, for example, a Hayabusa handles like a pregnant cow.

A good rider will likely outrun a lesser rider regardless of bike, but there's no way around the fact that if the same rider went from trying to throw a Hayabusa around in the mountains to riding a pure sportbike he would be much faster on the latter.

it all gets rather quantitive. Lighter bikes have quicker turn in. More aggressive geometry, lighter unsprung components, all equal quicker turn in, or I should say, less effort is necessary for the same speed of turn in.

That does NOT make a bike "better handling". It makes it EASIER to transition.

What actually effects capability of a bike (beyond the rider of course) is tires formost. Ground clearance (maximum lean angle capability) and suspension quality.

And there is some engine characteristics that help for TRULY slow speed corners, a more powerful motor is harder acheive maximum acceleration out of a corner.

What all of this equals is, assuming you are a fit person capable of wrenching on the bars a bit, assuming both bikes have simular lean angle capability, assuming the rider of the "faster" bike has good throttle control and is comfortable with traction limits.....both bikes will be the same speed IN the corners.

A lot of assumptions....but its true: A more aggressive handling bike does not make it more CAPABLE than any other bike. Just easier.

The centers run a little hotter, so are more vulnerable to lean misfire, but that won't foul plugs. Other than that, a bad carb synch or a choke linkage fault....or something goofy about your intake airflow.

Mod the airbox at all?

on modern watercooled bikes, this isn't true anymore unless you're running low on coolant.

You didn't mention what bike it is, but if it uses wasted spark ignition, the most obvious connection between 2 and 3 is they are both ran by one coil. Might have a wire, boot or plug causing both to have weak spark. Wasted spark systems use the second plug/cap/wire as the return path, so an issue with either cylinder will effect the other cylinder.

i'd like to jump in on the bike v car debate with deals and slowpoke.

i posted a while back about an article in Australia in both a bike and car magazine that pitted a $300,000 Porsche with ceramic brake upgrade (worth 20k) versus a GSXR1000 (K4 worth 20K)

the driver was a well respected race driver down here and the rider was just a journo for the bike mag. they "raced" around all day doing time trials and finally against each other.

outcome: the bike only won by being quicker to accelerate out of corners and carried slower times and speed through the corners which only allowed for a very small win.

this test was then televised as an addition to our sunday car racing.

Well weather or not it will beat a Busa depends on the driver. I have an 05 Hayabusa and with the new clutch set up it is very hard to launch. I have seen times on the new bike and speeds of only 141mph. Thats not good enough to beat a busa or even a ZX10r for that matter. Second with the aftermarket for the busa you cant go wrong with a busa. If you want 500hp all you have to do is pick up a phone and a wrench.

That being said I hate my busa. It is great for a straight line, and for a 500pound bike it turns pretty darn well. I had my ZX6r stolen and they gave me enough money to buy a new busa for cash, so I did. I regret it everyday I get on the damn thing. The sad thing is its starting to grow on me. It turns like a semi truck. One of my favorite things to do is get on the interstate at 4am in the morning and try taking the circle entrance ramps at higher and higher speeds. My busa is moaning and groaning at 60mph where my ZX6r would gladly take them at well over 100mph. Sure I have fun taking the busa to the drag strip, but I miss the everyday driving of the smaller bike. If you want a fast bike just get a busa, add a turbo for about $2000 and a day of work and change the clutch and you will have a bike that is as fast as you will ever want it. I am sure they will come out with turbos for the ZX14r but it will be years before you can get one for $2000. Second have a 600 or 1000 for driving on the street. It sucks having to carry that 500 pounds around with you every where you go.

Oh yeah and unless you can really drive and you have changed the clutch out to get you off the line better a ZX10r will smoke your busa everytime. Why they put a friggin racing clutch on a busa I will never know. It is a drag bike. I assume the ZX14 has the same clutch problems as the busa too, as the best 60ft times I have seen are 1.83 seconds. My SRT4 with slicks runs a 1.6 60ft. Hell its embarrising to get beat off the line by a friggin 4 door neon based car.

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