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05-03-2002, 03:02 PM
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H22 or strength F22 internals???
I have a 97 Accord EX (F22B1) and I want to put a turbo in my car. I am planning to run about 8 lbs. of boost. I've been researching about what I should do concerning the engine. I am thinking about strengthening the internal in my stock motor by changing the rods and piston and I am also thinking about getting an H22. Which one of these choices would be the best? Which would be cheaper?
Would I need to do anything to the H22 before I boosted it?
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05-03-2002, 03:09 PM
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Because you have a F22 I am going to advise doing a H22 Swap. The F22 will need a custom Turbo Setup which can get risky. Plus the H22 motor dropped in will prob do about the same as your F22 Turbo w/ 8lbs. Go with the H22 and then later you can think about doing a turbo.
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05-03-2002, 03:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Frostbyte
Because you have a F22 I am going to advise doing a H22 Swap. The F22 will need a custom Turbo Setup which can get risky. Plus the H22 motor dropped in will prob do about the same as your F22 Turbo w/ 8lbs. Go with the H22 and then later you can think about doing a turbo.
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they make turbo systems for F22 motors.
there's no available block guard that i know of for the F22... so you'll have to spend money on ductile iron sleeves to really beef it up for boost.
the pistons and rods do need beefing up, but it's the cylinder walls that will cause the majority of the problem as they will vibrate and shift under high loads.
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05-03-2002, 03:19 PM
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F22 = 115HP
H22 = 200HP
Even if you turbo the H22 you'll probably be making just what the H22 will be giving you. I'd say go for the H22 swap and then you could turbo that. That is what I'm doing right now. I have a 96 Accord and I'm putting in a H22A and a turbo. I'm fully building the engnine though and will be able to run at 23lbs. Daily driving will barly be touching the engine at a measly 10PSI 
But yeah, I'd say go for the swap.
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05-03-2002, 03:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by drift
they make turbo systems for F22 motors.
there's no available block guard that i know of for the F22... so you'll have to spend money on ductile iron sleeves to really beef it up for boost.
the pistons and rods do need beefing up, but it's the cylinder walls that will cause the majority of the problem as they will vibrate and shift under high loads.
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So with the information that you have given me, what would I have to do to prepare my F22 for turbocharging?
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05-03-2002, 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by super 96 accord
F22 = 115HP
H22 = 200HP
Even if you turbo the H22 you'll probably be making just what the H22 will be giving you. I'd say go for the H22 swap and then you could turbo that. That is what I'm doing right now. I have a 96 Accord and I'm putting in a H22A and a turbo. I'm fully building the engnine though and will be able to run at 23lbs. Daily driving will barly be touching the engine at a measly 10PSI
But yeah, I'd say go for the swap.
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I get your point but for clarification, my F22B1 is 145 HP.
Now, where did you get your motor? How much is the swap going to cost you?
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05-03-2002, 03:41 PM
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JDM H22A = $2800
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06-05-2002, 10:48 PM
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are you getting a JDM H22A Type S that pumps 220HP flywheel for $2800 and installation for $1250?
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06-06-2002, 11:00 AM
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It's not a type S. Those go for over $3K. But yes, it's a JDM H22 that I got for 2850 and install for 1250. I actually just sold the JDM and bought a US H22. That way I can take my car to the ref board and get it certified. The only real difference between JDM and US is the compression and the gearing. I'm lowering the compression for the turbo anyways, so that's pointless. And I'm switching the tranny from the JDM onto the US so I still have those.
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06-06-2002, 06:27 PM
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thats cool man
i plan on getting a 97+ JDM or USDM H22 to drop into a 98 accord coupe
so im just getting ideas since i still have a year or two until i drive legally and have a license:silly2:
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06-12-2002, 05:56 PM
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has anyone come accross any h22 ==> Integra information?
the more specifics i can find the better!
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09-21-2002, 05:03 AM
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Sup.. new guy up in here. Anyways, a buddy of mine does have a h22 turbo setup in his 5th gen accord. Pretty much, the car just make people look twice.
http://www.accordclub.com/motor/129-2944_IMG.JPG
good luck on ur quest.. its gonna take a lot of patience to get things going 100% right.
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09-21-2002, 09:29 AM
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To run turbo on either the H22 or the F22 you should reinforce the block, and upgrade the internals. Its better safe than sorry.. The F22 is perfect for boost as it has a 8.8:1 CR and you could push 15-20lbs of boost, as far as the H22 it has 10.6:1 CR in most cases, and isnt really that good for boosting, you can get 6-8 lbs of boost. If you really want to run a turbo set-up, I suggest the F22 as it would be cheaper than buying the H22 and then a turbo.. I personnaly have an H22 in my 97 Accord and love it. I don't plan on boosting as I prefer to keep it in the street class. I'm building it to be all motor, nothing else. But thats me and my opinion. Do what you want especially if you have the money to go all out.
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08-13-2003, 01:51 AM
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Turbo for H22
The do make a turbo for the H22 at turbodiscounters.com. They make turbos for both the F22b and the H22 pricing from $1799 to $2820 for a floating core and $2325 to $3345 for the dual ball bearing.
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08-13-2003, 04:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by wagsaccordsir
To run turbo on either the H22 or the F22 you should reinforce the block, and upgrade the internals. Its better safe than sorry.. The F22 is perfect for boost as it has a 8.8:1 CR and you could push 15-20lbs of boost, as far
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i really hope you mean 15-20 psi with serious reinforcing
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I get your point but for clarification, my F22B1 is 145 HP.
Now, where did you get your motor? How much is the swap going to cost you?
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how the heck do you have 145hp with only 8.8:1 CR? and if i'm not mistaken you don't even have vtec
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