Ok to address all the posts in this thread in one post. Alright phoenixhazard so you want to get a Cobalt,
Elantra, or a Civic, and the major deciding factors are fuel economy, low maintenance, cargo space. And by
low maintenance I assume you mean reliability.
civic
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/specifications_full_specs.asp?ModelName=Civic+Seda n
- price (DX)13,260 - (EX/SPEC ED.)17,960 (Sedan prices - Coupe prices are simular)
- gas milage (DX)5MT 32/38 4AT 29/38 115 @ 6100 HP 110 @ 4500 TQ
(LX)5MT 32/38 4AT 29/38 115 @ 6100 HP 110 @ 4500 TQ
(EX)5MT 32/37 4AT 31/38 127 @ 6300 HP 114 @ 4800 TQ
- cargo space 12.9^3 ft
Elantra
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/el...pecs/specs.asp
- price (GLS-4door)13,299 - (GT-5door)14,849
- gas milage 5MT 27/34 4AT 24/32 138 @ 6000 HP 136 @ 4500 TQ(All Models)
- cargo space 13.0^3(4-door) 20.1^3(5-door)
Cobalt
http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/
- price (LS)14,490 - (SS-Supercharged)21,990
- gas milage (LS) 5MT 25/34
145@5600 HP
155@4000 TQ
(SS-S/C)5MT 23/29
205@5600 HP
200@4400 TQ
- cargo space 12.9^3 ft (according to honda site)
Well the Civic clearly wins when it comes to gas mileage, cargo space is nearly identical, unless you're
going for the elantra 5-door. As far as looks IMO the Civic and Cobalt look good, personally I think the
Civic looks better. It didn't sound like performance was a big issue to you, but it is to alot of people so
included those figures, the Cobalt wins there. Ok reliability/quality/resale value........ Honda, Honda,
Honda... And Toyota too....
The Civic wins here, Honda's quality is far superior to Chevy's and RSX-S777 says Hyundai's were rated close
to Honda. Thats news to me. IMO Hyundais are crap and you get a great warranty because you will need
it...Often.
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Originally Posted by RSX-S777
All things considered (price, quality, aftermarket support, design and engine technology) I
would go with
the Civic hands down. Can't go wrong with a Civic.
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This is exactly why I would go with the Civic
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Originally Posted by cousincletus
I would get the Cobalt too. Has a better domestic parts content and is union made in the
USA (near Youngstown, Ohio). God bless the American working man! Buy American made products from American
companies. It makes a difference. Not to mention parts will be cheaper and more widely available. My 2002
Cavalier has been very dependable without a single issue.
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Originally Posted by Chevy4life1985
This RSX guy is either out of his mind or Japanese. Why in gods name would you NOT
but money back into the
american economy. People like this guy are the reason why this country is going eventually to crap cuz noone
is puttin money back. Instead the send it over there. Screw IMPORTS. AMERICAN CARS ALL THE WAY. My parents
and I all own an American car. (MOM - 2004 Dodge Caravan, DAD - 2004 GMC Canyon, and ME - 2003 Chevrolet
Cavalier) and we've never had a problem my mother owned a 1990 Chrysler Caravan until 04. So next time you
say "GET AN IMPORT" put your foot in your mouth and stfu.
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It's very noble to buy American and support the economy. I wish I could do that, but let us not forget that
America was built by capitalism. If you build a better product/offer better service your company survives,
the weaker one suffers. This is mostly what GM and Ford rely on to keep customers coming back. As long as
people are programmed to keep buying american and are enthralled with the Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, F150,
C/K-1500, Cadilac image, why should they even try to build a better product. I'm not trying to start an
argument, but look at the the Toyota Supra TT. It's much higher quality than a Corvette, simular prices and
performance, but they never sold; because, people are obsessed with Corvettes. I've worked at a Chevy
dealership as a lube tech for 2 1/2 years. I know all about Chevy quality. Examples 3.1/3.4L motor in the
Impala/Lumina - The intake manifold gasket on these motors leaked on what seemed like almost all of the cars
that were sold. And this wasn't a one year issue, it was year after year after year. Does Chevy care that
this is a 8+ hour customer pay job, Fu** no. Labor rates were $67/ hour when I left. That's $536 to fix a
problem that should have been corrected with in a year. Then there are duralast batteries. They put the
terminals on the side of the battery so that they stay submerged in the acid and don't corrode, so that
there is better conductivety. Unfortunatley they are extremely prone to leaking, which corrodes the battery
cables. So now you're replacing a battery and cables. In the worst cases if you would jiggle the battery
cable and the entire terminal pulls out of the battery. Does Chevy do something about this.. Nope, the
battery warranty would cover this, let the consumer suffer. Then there are water leaks, The guy that handled
interior trim and the seals that kept water out was always busy. I'll never forget when the Avalanche first
came out and they parked one under the corner of the roof, where the water drained down onto it. So it
rained one day, the next day they were showing that truck to a customer and when they opened the door a wall
of water poured out. Then There are the steering wheel lock cylinders on the corvettes. I swear every last
corvette was towed in because the the steering wheel lock wouldn't disengage. How do you like your $50,000
car that you can't drive? Although I must say that that they actually corrected this problem within a few
years. I don't consider myself a domestic basher, I love 350's and 302's. I'm just refusing to buy another
domestic until Detroit decides to stop screwing America over and actually building a decent car. If Japan
can make high quality cars, Detroit should too. Until then I'm not gonna buy a piece of sh** from a company
that can make a decent car but refuses to do so.
So phoenixhazard I recommend you get an RSX-S. I get 24.5mpg city, Have an extremely reliable car, 201 hp,
and have put a 48" x 24" x 15" coffee table in the back(with the seats folded down). If a backwards facing
baby seat is a requirerment, that won't fit. Otherwise the Civic is the best choice.
And just in case anybody is wondering I voted for Bush.
There you go, genius. Grow up a bit. Being a redneck is not a very good reason to buy an unreliable car. If you want to do so, it's your right as an AMERICAN (Hooray!). However, these boards are visited by many people from many different countries who just might be looking for unbiased, objective advice. Does that register?
