2 of my friends are gunna race this weekend, one has a 1997 eclipse gs-t and the other has a 97 prelude, they are both automatics, who do u think will win?

I dose depend who is the better driver of the two. But I would say the GS-T has him beat.

The GS-T by a tiny bit. that's with ALL things being equal of course(driving ability, traction, vehicle maintenence). It will be REALLY close, I think.

I saw an automatic 'lude at the track the other day, a newer SH and it was running high 16's, i don't think the guy was driving terribly well.

how does driver ability have anything to do with drivign an automatic

Driving ability has everything to do with driving an automatic, launching it wrong can easily add a second or more to their time. Shifting it manually or letting the tranny shift by itself can make a difference as well. There was a mildly modiffied Eclipse GST running a few weeks ago (automatic) and it was running a 14.3.

Originally posted by PFCfutrell
I saw an automatic 'lude at the track the other day, a newer SH and it was running high 16's, i don't think the guy was driving terribly well.

The only SH's are 5 spd., so it was probably just a slow auto.

You're right about it not being an SH but doesn't the automatic come with 195 hp as opposed to the 200 in the SH? That's not a huge difference, the only difference between the base model and the SH is the ATTS (active torque transfer system) which is Honda's fancy name for LSD.

its not the same thing as a LSD. if it was, why would they call it ATTS for the prelude only? Also, SHs have been tested as slower than base ludes consistently

Originally posted by kidrocket
its not the same thing as a LSD. if it was, why would they call it ATTS for the prelude only? Also, SHs have been tested as slower than base ludes consistently

I don't know about any of that, but Active Torque Transfer System sounds an awful lot like an LSD-type device to me...

Originally posted by spy54
how does driver ability have anything to do with drivign an automatic

which one can launch the auto the best i launch the volvo at 2000rpm ............i raced a trans am last night and got up to 120mph .......i got beat tho cuz he could still pull on me

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


which one can launch the auto the best i launch the volvo at 2000rpm ............i raced a trans am last night and got up to 120mph .......i got beat tho cuz he could still pull on me

Ok, ok...I'm going to demand some clarification on this...You mean you hung with a Trans Am until 120 mph?? If you did, then the TA was running in V6 mode, my friend. That, or he spun his tires until you were 20 lengths ahead and then caught you by 120...:D

Originally posted by Self


Ok, ok...I'm going to demand some clarification on this...You mean you hung with a Trans Am until 120 mph?? If you did, then the TA was running in V6 mode, my friend. That, or he spun his tires until you were 20 lengths ahead and then caught you by 120...:D

hahahahaha ................well ok

let me clarify this

we started at 80 mph and then we floored it and my boost went up and i could resonably keep up i got to 120 faster than i thought it could but then again having a turbo goes along way incidently all the prelude owners in are shit themselves upon site :finger: and the TA was the only thing that would race me it was alot of fun since i could keep up kind of:D

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


hahahahaha ................well ok

let me clarify this

we started at 80 mph and then we floored it and my boost went up and i could resonably keep up i got to 120 faster than i thought it could but then again having a turbo goes along way incidently all the prelude owners in are shit themselves upon site :finger: and the TA was the only thing that would race me it was alot of fun since i could keep up kind of:D

lol @ prelude owners, haha. Ok, I was about to say...:rolleyes:...I'm not tryin to be a jerk, but I thought you meant you launched from a stop and kept up with a TA until 120. That not being the case, nicely done!:)

ATTS is similar to a LSD, but theyre not the same thing like PFC was inferring. I dont pretend to know the difference, however

I didn't mean to say it was an LSD, but it is so similar i call it a fancy LSD for the sake of trying to explain how it works. The way i heard it described it sounded like an LSD but it's exact inner-workings are a mystery to me. I'm reasonably sure a stock SH vs a stock non-SH might not gain much in straightline acceleration but a forced-inducted or nitrous fed 'lude might gain something from the traction device. I dunno, i'm a low-tech guy, i don't even like VTEC, it confuses me :confused: