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Help with wiring radiator fanBlink_32 04-17-2002, 08:45 AM So, the wiring harness on the side to the fan got mangled. Before that though the fan would never come on no matter how hot the coolant temp got. So what I would like to do is hard wire a switch to the leads on the fan. . Its a 91 Escort Pony 1.9l . 3 wires coming off of the fan. I found out which wires need to be hooked up to pos and neg for the fan to turn in the correct direction but I was using the battery terminals. That caused the wires to get excessively hot. Would grounding out to the chassis prevent too much current from flowing there-by preventing the wires from getting to hot? Or would I need to wire some other component inline to prevent this? replicant_008 04-17-2002, 06:38 PM Quick Tip: Generally, the radiator fan is hooked to a fan relay. A relay is an electrical switch which is activated by another electrical circuit. In a radiator fan this activation circuit is usually by a temperature switch or from the PCM. Caution: A separate switch can be useful but is usually used as an override to some sort of temperature control. The use of override is used for instance when you want the fan to activate when the temperature switch has yet to activate (ie you turn it on before doing a drag switch run). If no temperature control is active, the fan will not activate unless the operator notices a temperature variation. If this is overlooked then the radiator fan may not be activated and overheating may occur. In your case, it doesn't sound like either the switch is missing or the PCM defective just the wiring to the fan. I'd suggest that you obtain a copy of a wiring diagram or a workshop manual (try the public library) and hook up the temperature control and relay. A workshop manual will tell you how to check the switch and the relay (usually with a voltmeter or test light). A couple more tips, if the coolant is getting too hot, try checking the thermostat. And if the coolant gets too hot, one way to try to cool the coolant (this is strictly a limp home for short distance option) is to close all the air vents into the cabin, wind the windows down, turn off the a/c and turn the heater to full HOT. The heater gets its heat from the coolant so when you turn it on you effectively create an auxilary radiator. Only problem is that if it's a hot day, the last thing you want to do is roast in the car. Detailed discussion: The radiator cooling fan is only needed when engine temperature rises above a predetermined level -- or when there is an increased load placed on the cooling system (as when running your air conditioner). The rest of the time, running the fan would be a waste of electrical energy so it is turned off. Electrical energy being supplied by the battery or the alternator - producing charge from the alternator uses power and effectively uses more fuel so hence it's off when not needed. And it's also additional noise. At highway speeds, there is usually enough airflow through the radiator that a fan isn't needed. So the fan usually only operates when the vehicle is sitting in traffic, driving at slower speeds or at high duty applications. These would include climbing steep terrain (particularly at altitude where the air is less dense and cools less), towing, very heavy loads or running the air-conditioning. On older applications, the electric fan is controlled by a temperature switch located in the radiator or engine. When the temperature of the coolant exceeds the switch's rating (typically 195 to 235 degrees F ie 80 to 110 degrees C), the switch closes and energizes a relay that supplies voltage to run the fan. It works the opposite way from a oven temperature switch. The fan then continues to run until the coolant temperature drops back below the opening point of the switch. Most electric fans are also wired to come on when the A/C is on. Many vehicles also have a separate fan for the A/C condenser (dual fan systems). One or both fans come on when the A/C is on. In newer vehicles with computerized engine controls, fan operation is regulated by the engine control module (the computer that runs the fuel injection, ignition etc). Input from the coolant sensor, and in many cases the vehicle speed sensor too, is used to determine when the fan needs to be on. CAUTION: Many electric fans are wired to come on anytime the engine is above a certain temperature, regardless of whether the engine is running or not. This means the fan may come on after the engine has been shut off. So keep your fingers away from the fan at all times unless the battery or fan motor wires have been disconnected. CHECKING THE FAN Four things can prevent a fan from coming on when it should: a bad temperature switch or coolant sensor (or problem in the switch or sensor wiring circuit); a bad fan relay; a wiring problem (blown fuse, loose or corroded connector, shorts, opens, etc.); or a failure of the fan motor itself. Only the latter would require replacing the fan motor. One way to check the operation of the fan motor is to jump it directly to the battery. If it spins, the motor is good, and the problem is elsewhere in the wiring or control circuit. Another check is to test for voltage with a voltmeter or test light at the fan's wiring connector. There should be voltage when the engine is hot and when the A/C is on. Blink_32 04-18-2002, 08:31 AM While the information you posted is correct in terms of TROUBLESHOOTING a malfunctioning fan and explaining how the whole cooling system works, it does not help me one bit. I already knew all of this. . If you go back to my actual question all I want to do is hook up the fan to a manual switch. I know that at driving speeds the air flow is enough to keep temps down so the fan never comes on. Shoot, unless I'm stuck in stop and go traffic the temp never rises above C in this car. When I tested the wires to see which were Pos, Neg the temporarily spliced in wires got excessively hot. To me that means too much current (or amperage) was going through them. . How would I cure this problem? I am aware how to hook up a simple 2 position switch, but I want to make sure that the wiring or the switch does not get fried from too much current. How would I go about wiring it up for that purpose? Do I need a relay? A fuse wouldn't help because that just prevents X amount of amps from traveling through the wiring, I need to reduce the amount between the Pos teminal on the battery and to the fan but I don't know what component would do that. Tireburner 04-29-2002, 02:37 PM Under the air intake tube is the thermal fan switch. It is in the water tube. two wires, (if I remember correctly) the wire colors are green/red and black/white. By touching the wires together (provided you have the right switch, and everything else is working properly) the electric fan will kick on (ignition must be on). You can wire a switch off of those two wires, or as I see in most cases of the fan not kicking on, replace the sensor. vBulletin®, Copyright ©2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
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