I'M GONNA LEAVE THIS THREAD THE WAY IT IS SINCE IT CAN TEACH PEOPLE SOMEWHAT HOW HICAS WORKS AND WHY PEOPLE WOULD THINK SOME SUSPENSION WOULDN'T WORK. TURNS OUT PRETTY MUCH EVERY SUSPENSION WILL WORK WITH A FULLY STOCK 240, HICAS OR NOT. SEE LINKED FORUMS ON PAGE 3 FOR MORE DETAILS.




ok so it turns out that the suspension i bought won't even fit my car. the knuckle on all kyb rear suspension looks like this

THIS MAY NOT BE CORRECT, I'M ON THE PHONE WITH NISSAN CANADA


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_122_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_123_full.jpg
it is fixed to the rest of the shock.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_124_full.jpg

on the stock rear suspension, the shock knuckle is attached to the ball joint

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_121_full.jpg

now, when the hicas is engaged, the pump pushes on the rod right in the middle of this picture

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_125_full.jpg

which is connected to the big metal thing (might be the u-joint) which connects the ball joint to the suspension knuckle.

another angle (taken from just behind the rear brake disc through the rim):

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_119_full.jpg

another angle:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_120_full.jpg

the long rod in that second pic is the same one which is in the middle of the first.

THIS IS WHERE YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION

THE SHOCK ON THE STOCK SUSPENSION CAN ROTATE BECAUSE IT IS ON BEARINGS

THE SHOCK ON KYB SUSPENSION CANNOT ROTATE


the kyb suspension does not work because it has a non-rotating shock

this is enough for any kyb suspension to not fit on a hicas 240. i called tokico to see if they had suspension that would fit a 240 with hicas and they gave me this part number: HTS201 (something like $800USD)
this suspension consists of a shock in the front and coilover type in the rear. he also said the stock suspension is a coilover-type suspension in the rear and the rear tokico shocks/coilovers for the 240 is basically just stiffer and lowers the car (not sure how much but probably not much)
this is what the stock rear suspension looks like on our 240s. i think the bearings which allow the shock to turn are sealed.. either way, THE STOCK SHOCKS (STRUTS) CAN ROTATE AND THE KYBS CANNOT

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_117_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/692000-692999/692648_126_full.jpg


having said this, i have to sell my kyb agxs and maybe even my eibachs. this might get me another $800 if i'm lucky but i've decided that i can put that towards paint or something since it needs it.. turbo is gonna have to wait, unless i earn a shitload in BC..

i'd also like to apologize to teamexcessive for flaming him so much about his suspension rants. NOT!!!! jk

Since u have a 93 and I have a 93, u have kyb and eibach that u cant use and I was planning on buying the kyb and eibach set up.....Let me know price and I might pick them up from u instead.

Pro-kit or Sportline?

Wait... so instead of buying a 150$ Hicas Eliminator Kit your selling your Suspension Kit???

Boo Stiff Shocks!!!1 YaY Sloppy 4 wheel steer!!!!


PS. The Stockers aren't on a ball joint... it should be a bolt that runs though a rubber bushing just like the KYBs (at least it would be overly aggressive for an OEM shock to have spherical mounts)... Even if the bottom doesnt rotate the shaft will spin in the tube. (not good for the shocks but you could get em on while you wait for an eleminator kit.

sportline

i'm editing it to correct it right now. theres a small difference between what i said and whats actually true.. give me a sec and i'll pm you

hahah R.W. you have a good point but the thing is that i actually want to keep the hicas. i love it!! i'd rather spend a little extra on suspension to keep the hicas. if i have enough money in the fall i might even get a half decent set of coilovers (if i can find some that fit the hicas model..)

i got some flex's on my hicas model. So those fit. But i dont get it why buy some brand new suspension then get coils in the fall. Just save the time and hassle and money. It's all about patience. You know in your head what you can afford, just because you dont have it yet doesnt mean you wont have it. Sounds to me like your anxious to start modding. I know the feeling. I woke up today was board as hell and decided to strip out my interior lol. I'll put up pics sometime today. Took about half hour with a lunch break in there. One 7/16 socket, hand ratchet, phillips, and flathead. All you need. I weighed some of the shit, came out to be like 50 pounds. I used the bathroom scale lol, so i just rounded it down for inaccuracy issues. The spare tire weighed like 25-30 pounds, i threw it away cuz it was rusty as hell.

Unless my scale is way off, but i set it as close as i could. To bad my digital is too small. Its used for other things :grinyes:

suspension was the first thing i wanted to do. to me, its important to get the stance right. what i want to do is sell my eibachs and agxs and put that money towards either paint or new suspension. i'm doing both of those before i do any more mods. but it all depends on how much money i make in the summer. if i make enough to have suspension and turbo then i probably won't invest a lot of money into suspension. if not, i'll go better suspension and be paitent with the turbo parts.

since when did you have hicas? i never thought you did, wierd.

so, I have a 91 with hicas... if I buy some agx off ebay, they won't fit?

correct. if you buy them from ANYWHERE they won't fit. when i get back in august, depending on how much money i make, i'll be lookin at coilovers i believe

what the hell, that sucks... what shocks fit, tokicos?

You can fit any shocks, but you will need a HICAS eliminator kit.

well I mean, with hicas... because I don't feel like disabling it, and spending that money... I kinda like it.

i like it too.. the tokico shocks work but its shocks in the front and apparently coilover type in the back.. i didn't get much info on it. i'll see what i can do

yeah... I'd just like to know what struts i can use without having to eliminate hicas... because I have springs on it, and planned on ordering some shocks/struts this next weekend...

will the kyb gr2's work?

no, none of the kyb products work on hicas models

I have Hicas on my 91 240sx so I bought KYBs for the front and Tokicos (stock, new from Nissan) for the back and they work nicely.

well thats what he is saying right that for the rear where the HICAS works you cant use KYB. maybe im missing something...

okay, I talked to a guy on another forum that has a 93 with super hicas... He installed the kyb agx's and said it worked fine.. wouldn't they just keep the hicas from working because they can't rotate?

I have Hicas on my 91 240sx so I bought KYBs for the front and Tokicos (stock, new from Nissan) for the back and they work nicely.

thats pretty much my point. you can use kybs on the front cause every s13 front suspension is the same. the tokicos work because their shocks rotate on bearings but it comes as a coilover type suspension (as far as i know.. you're the one with the tokicos, is it REALLY a coilover type suspension in the rear?)



okay, I talked to a guy on another forum that has a 93 with super hicas... He installed the kyb agx's and said it worked fine.. wouldn't they just keep the hicas from working because they can't rotate?

there's something missing there. either
a) his hicas was de-activated or he has a kit on his car
b) he doesn't actually have hicas
c) he has hicas and the kybs and they're about to snap on his ass

i'd find out for sure whats up with that guy's car cause the kyb suspension DOES NOT ROTATE. it MUST be able to rotate with hicas or the hicas will probably snap a part of the shock or even make it explode

that's kinda what I was thinking also though...like it wouldnt' be able to work right, so it would probably snap it... why can't they just make kyb just make rear struts that rotate... I guess I could just save for coilovers... i was thinking just tein basics if I went that way....i'd rather not though... umm, where can you buy just kyb agx's for the front?

pretty much anywhere.. email kuruma motoring or just check out their ebay store. http://stores.ebay.com/Kuruma-Motoring
i bought my shocks off them and had no problems. other than the fact that they don't work on my car..

I'll just get tokico all around I guess... because I don't want to mix and match shocks and struts...and I want to keep the hicas.

look at coilovers if you want to go lower than the tokicos let you, which i think might only be 1"

technically speaking, isnt everything that has the spring mounted on top of the shock a coilover-type suspension? i though the distinction was made between that and when you have the shock mounted to some control arm or something and then the spring is on top of all that. i dunno i could be full of shit

that sounds right... well my car is lowered 1.5" in the front, and 1.2" in the back...I really want agx's but I don't want to pay another $160 to eliminate hicas...

you can always use the stock shocks and aftermarket springs

that's what i'm using right now... but I think the front left is blown... there's a thin oil all over it...
these will work though, correct.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33590&item=7969098210&sspagename=rvi%3A1%3A1v_home

yeah you could get those

yeah... this other guy is saying that the agx fit perfect and his hicas still works... that's not possible is it?

as far as physics in our modern world go, no. maybe there's something i'm missing about hicas...
which site is this?? i wanna talk to these guys

it's here..

http://www.club240.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20582

i've heard enough from people that i'm 100% sure the kyb shocks don't work with hicas enabled. i'll see what this guy says.. he might be the kind of guy who takes his car to a shop and says "lower it for me" and slaps money on the desk not knowing for sure what is being installed..

yeah, so what's this coilover-type rear setup that tokico offers... i though you got front shocks, and rear struts when you buy them?

i'm not even sure. the guy i talked to at tokico said the 240 uses a coilover (which is obviously non adjustable) and the tokico hts201 shocks include a rear coilover..
i for some reason dont think thats so true anymore..
http://www.racerwheel.com/t38-hts201.html?ovmkt=05I5H9BIN9AKHUKH8R6EHH4GJ4
those are the only hts201 shocks i can find. they're damn expensive but sound like they're a pretty good product.. this is very confusing

Thie guy is stupid (cleveland in the other forum), D-Bo show him the pics of your stock strut and the KYB one, the bottom mounting point that rotates.

its actually not the bottom part that rotates.. it looks like it does but its actually higher up in the shock.. i edited that whole post

yeah that fool was a retard. lol he got hella mad. "EVERYONE THAT HAS EVER LIVED TOLD ME FOR SURE ABSOLUTELY 100% POSITIVE THAT GURANTEED IT WORKS GOD DAMN IT WHY DONT YOU READ BEFORE YOU POST"

yeah that fool was a retard. lol he got hella mad. "EVERYONE THAT HAS EVER LIVED TOLD ME FOR SURE ABSOLUTELY 100% POSITIVE THAT GURANTEED IT WORKS GOD DAMN IT WHY DONT YOU READ BEFORE YOU POST"

lol, yeah, reading that just makes me belive him!!!

i'm not gonna argue with him anymore. he's too anal to deal with. even if he does have the agx's, he's wrong about where these companies got their designs from. they didn't look at any infinity, they looked at the skyline and silvia and OH WAIT A MINUTE, the silvia is the 240sx with a different engine among other smaller things.. THAT is where hicas originated, not any infinity. infinity is a product of nissan

http://240sxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54979

this gives a much better reason for the suspension to fit

lol wtf that guy on the other forum has APC Rocks! in his avatar. i seriously hope he is being sarcastic

lol, i'm sure he's kidding... oh well.. those guys at 240sxforums seem to know what they're talking about, it's nice here someone that knows what they're talking about here... so I guess that's it, case closed, the AGX's will fit no matter what... that makes me happy...I can order some now.

and more importantly i dont' have to worry about trying to sell the suspension i already bought.. atleast we found the answer.. i changed the original first post so check it if you haven't seen it yet