http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=51482

The Koenigsegg CCR raised McLaren's previously unofficial mark of 372 km/h set at Nardo/Prototipo in 1993 with over 15 km/h. On top of this the CCR broke the official McLaren F1 record of 386.7 km/h, which was set on the 9 km straight line VW Ehra facility in Wolfsburg Germany.

Impressive! I would loive to hear a comment from the expert Gordon Murray...

www.koenigsegg.se

http://www.koenigsegg.se/graphics/startimage_record.jpg

Well, i'm glad the Koenigsegg beat it first and not the Gayron, sorry, Verywrong, sorry, Veyron. It was bound to happen eventually

Impressive! I would loive to hear a comment from the expert Gordon Murray...
I don't think Gordon Murray posts here.

I dont thin that either but I beleive he can comment since he commented that the Koengisegg coudn't acheive this earlier...

I don't think Gordon Murray posts here.

I dont thin that either but I beleive he can comment since he commented that the Koengisegg coudn't acheive this earlier......and he was right. The CCR has substantially more horsepower than the CC8S, the car he was refering to.

Are you referring to his comments in Evo, where Gordon Murray just wondered if the Koenigsegg could be considered a legitimate car producer with its extremely low production numbers? Even if it has subsequently proved to be legitimate, it's certainly not equivalent. And the product, even though it uses technology that is ten years ahead, still carries only 2/3 as many people as a McLaren.

I don't think the criticism was unfounded at the time, or even now. At the time of GM's comments, CvK had produced about 8 units, including the prototype. They are up to a whopping 20 now.

Yes, I am refferring to his doubts about the Koenigsegg:


JB: What about the Edonis and Koenigsegg?

GM: You almost can’t count cars like the Edonis and Koenigsegg. With the Zonda you have to take the car seriously – the quality’s not bad, he’s selling the cars, people are driving them and using them and liking them. When there are 50 Edonises driving around and people are saying ‘This is good’, I’ll consider it a proper motorcar.

JB: The Koenigsegg is aiming for 250mph, too.

GM: People never learn lesson one, which is ‘don’t shout your mouth off before you’ve built the car’. Before the 1989 world crash there was an article in Road & Track, ’24 supercars you can buy’ and I think the only ones that actually arrived were us, the Jag and the Bugatti – three out of 24. With the Koenigsegg they’re talking about a horsepower figure and top speed for which you need a Cd of about 0.17 or something. It doesn’t add up. You shouldn’t do that. We didn’t say anything about our motorcar – nobody knew it was going to be middle seat until the launch – we just shut up and built it and then let people drive it.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=222389&highlight=murray

Not just abbout productions numbers but about his comments aboiut aerodynamics which was obviously wrong.

Carries 3 people? I think that is an irrelevant factor for a supercar.

Are you referring to his comments in Evo, where Gordon Murray just wondered if the Koenigsegg could be considered a legitimate car producer with its extremely low production numbers? Even if it has subsequently proved to be legitimate, it's certainly not equivalent. And the product, even though it uses technology that is ten years ahead, still carries only 2/3 as many people as a McLaren.

I don't think the criticism was unfounded at the time, or even now. At the time of GM's comments, CvK had produced about 8 units, including the prototype. They are up to a whopping 20 now.

In my eyes it was only a question of time and technical improvements that one day a car finally beat the 386,7 km/h of the F1.
But I don't think that there will be EVER a car holding the topspeed record for production cars that long like the F1 did 1993 - 2005. (?)
Generally they should made all topspeed tests in Ehra in future not in Nardo, because the shape of the Nardo track isn't that effective for high topspeeds.
In Nardo, with its low banked curve, there are always some few centrifugal forces over 240 Km/h effecting the topspeed ( not much but they did ).
For example the Enzo did 355 km/h last year at Nardo, but can run easily over 360 km/h.
To the Veyron:
I serioslly doubt that that car EVER top 400 Km/h!!!
It is ugly and simply fat, and only a car which looks fast is fast......
VW still losing millions through this prestigeous project!
I read recently that all technical and aerodynamical problems are solved but in test they could not go faster than 378 Km/h!!!
It may be that the planed Veyron Supersport Version with 1100 hp is a contender for the record.........

The fact that it's a 3-seater *is* relevant in the sense that a lot of performance figures are ratios. Obviously, having the ability to carry an extra occupant changes all ratios that include the occupant, or are based on the car's ability to move people (it is, after all, a mode of transport).


Just like you can think of it as being at least 10 years ahead of any car that posts similar performance numbers today, you can think of the McLaren as being 1/3 more capable than any 2-seater with equivalent numbers. And it is not irrelevant...it would matter greatly anytime there is a need to carry three people.

10 years ahead.
1 more occupant ahead.
A few Le Mans and world records ahead too.

I dunno...I prefer the McLaren by a little bit, but the ugly truth is most people in the position would have one of each...which means 5 seats total. :)

"a mode of transport" :iceslolan Fast one. You think it is important for a supersportscar, I think it is not. 10 years ahead it is not relevant for me either, what is relevant is what is the fastets production car today comes from a company less than 10 years old without a history such as McLaren.

Regarding track records, the thing I care for is that the car is good on a racetrack as well as top speed which seems to be true. Of crouse Koenigsegg doesnt have the race budget or brand name as McLaren.

Edonis :lol: that is a funny car.

Also, the over 390 km/h F1 time was without mirrors I beleive?


The fact that it's a 3-seater *is* relevant in the sense that a lot of performance figures are ratios. Obviously, having the ability to carry an extra occupant changes all ratios that include the occupant, or are based on the car's ability to move people (it is, after all, a mode of transport).

You can think of the McLaren as being 1/3 more capable than any 2-seater with equivalent numbers.

Just like you can think of it as being at least 10 years ahead of any car that posts similar performance numbers today.

10 years ahead.
1 more occupant ahead.
A few Le Mans and world records ahead too.

Everyone's taste is different...but what the market as a whole considers important is truly what is important. And considering that old Bugattis and Ferraris sell for 10 times what McLarens sell for...history does matter. The market, overall, does not think or act like you do.

The market think the car is attractive and Koengisegg have difficulties on deliver on a timely basis. If it werent attractiuve Koenigsegg would have been bacrupt today. Please browse areoudn www.koenigsegg.se to see the demand all over the world.

Very few cars increase in value, McLaren F1 is one of them. I doubt the Koengisegg will be one since it is not limited edition. If McLaren F1 would not have been limited edition it would have been a different story.

Let me guess, you're of Swedish origin...?

Please browse areoudn www.koenigsegg.se to see the demand all over the world.


I browsed it...it just talks about their appearance at various trade shows around the world. Hardly a sign of demand. What are you referring to? Can you quote any text from the site that talks about this "demand?"

Not saying there's no demand, in fact I am sure there is plenty, but I don't see any mention of it on their website in my quick look. Can you cut and paste what you are referring to?

16 cars have been delivered to customers as of March 2004 and Koenigsegg is working hard to until the summer to deliver the 20 more that are ordered. I'll update you on this after this week. This was over a year ago. I cant quote on the site, but I will ask them directly. We'll see when they pass the the 64 made of the McLaren F1...

I live in on Kingway Business Park, Woking, Surrey UK.











Just kidding, yes I'm from Sweden. :iceslolan




I browsed it...it just talks about their appearance at various trade shows around the world. Hardly a sign of demand. What are you referring to? Can you quote any text from the site that talks about this "demand?"

Not saying there's no demand, in fact I am sure there is plenty, but I don't see any mention of it on their website in my quick look. Can you cut and paste what you are referring to?

It's taken a decade, and it's about time don't you think?

Thing is I doubt very much that F1 lovers (like many on here) give two hoots about the world record being broken. I doubt very much that Gordon Murray cares either.

The "fastest production car in the world" accolade was, as we all know, a well-documented accident, and the only good thing it did in my opinion was to raise the profile of the car to the general public who only care about headline figures.

The thing about the F1 isn't the top speed or the acceleration - it's the package. It's the cohesive and unfaltering vision of pure engineering purity with no compromise and no barriers that has never even been close to being equalled since and probably never will again.

Not the fastest car in the world anymore? Pooh - you think I care? And I think it sad that manufacturers like 9FF, Koenigsegg and Bugatti trump their higher top speed as something to be celebrated and a fact that somehow makes their cars "better" than the F1. I think they're missing the point...

I dont care if you do or not: I care and that is why I posted here.

Thing is I doubt very much that F1 lovers (like many on here) give two hoots about the world record being broken. I doubt very much that Gordon Murray cares either.

The thing about the F1 isn't the top speed or the acceleration - it's the package.

The same with the Koengisegg. It os also the package.

9ff is not a manufacturer and the car was not standard, the wipers and rear spoiler were taken off.

Im not saying the Koenigsegg is better. Im saying it is faster in standard form :iceslolan

Hello,

Gustav is an genuine car enthusiast, what he does with www.bmwm5.com is very interesting. Also the trips in Germany and the visit at Dauer :)

So, on the first lap at 9 o'clock in the morning when they drove around the banked track, the test display showed 391,4 km/h! After that they made a second run before lunch and hit 395,8 km/h! The third lap at 2 o'clock beat the previous speed record set by the Mercedes C111 at the corner of the banked track by 10 km/h. For the last attempt they had the boost button on "Wet" setting out of the corner -which is 1,5 Bar- and the test instruments showed 404,6 km/h! The price of the car is 1,8 million DM which equals a little less than 1 million USD.

it is difficult today to say what is the fastest with these little productions figures.

Ciao
Phil

GM: With the Koenigsegg they’re talking about a horsepower figure and top speed for which you need a Cd of about 0.17 or something. It doesn’t add up.

Not just abbout productions numbers but about his comments aboiut aerodynamics which was obviously wrong.As I pointed out earlier in this thread, he wasn't wrong. Koenigsegg were claiming these figures for the CC8S. The maths didn't add up.

Only once the car had gained 150 more horsepower and more aero work had been carried out did it manage to get close to the 250 mph in the original claim (albeit, not that close).

:disappoin If you see the original Koenigsegg press release from the Nardo test you see that a banked track does not let the car go full speed as the VW track at Ehra Leissen. So Koenigsegg might still be correct and Gordon M have talked too much before knowing everything.

The F1 topspeed was not at a banked track :nono:

Also, the over 390 km/h F1 time was without mirrors I beleive?

Sorry Gustav, the mirrors were firmly attached that day:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/920315a.jpg

Now in this photo, you can see that both the shut line around the front compartment and the turn signal indentations appear to have both been covered over with clear tape.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/920307as.jpg

A keen eye would also notice that the windscreen wiper has been removed, and I suspect that front license plate is really a sticker, and not a true hard plate.

Here's another close-up shot of the car from that day. The tape has been removed at this point, but the windscreen wiper is still missing and you can more clearly see what I mean about the plate being a sticker.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/920315b.jpg

= = = = = =

Anyway, a definite congrats to Christian von Koenigsegg and his team. A part of me wishes they had beaten the record with a standard car and not the CCR, as it seemed they were close earlier with a CC8S. Either way, it's an impressive feat and a car to be respected in the way that some low volume supercars will simply never reach.

>8^)
ER

It is surely an impressive results since the company was nothing tne years back and two years back they didnt produca any car for track or consumers.

Wow, so that speed was actually not a 100% original McLaren F1? It was taped up as well as wipers removed? :grinno: That makes the Koenigsegg recored even more impressive :biggrin:

Also:

McLaren F1 was 3.95% faster on the straigh Ehra Leissen track than on the oval Nardo. If the same is true for the CC-R the CC-R would do 403 km/h top speed.

Gustav-
While I certainly admire and appreciate your enthusiasm on this, I really think you are trying to make more of it than it really is. While the top speed crown is an impressive one to wear, the figure is really irrelevant in real world driving. I've been driven at close to 200mph and it was ridiculously fast and not the wisest thing to be doing, especially on public roads here in the USA. Sure the road was fairly deserted, but anything could have happened causing an incredible catastrophe.

Adding an additional 30-40mph at those speeds is truly outrageous - you're already covering nearly an entire football field of distance per second at 200mph. You simply have no time to react to anything that gets in your way. Driving at those speeds is far above almost any sane driver's capabilities and the opportunities to stretch the legs of even a very fast car like the McLaren or Koenigsegg simply don't come up all that often. I would suspect that only a small percentage of McLaren F1s have been driven over 200mph and further, I doubt that more than a handful have been pushed to their Vmax.

>8^)
ER

Koenigsegg 387.87
McLaren 386.7

:grinno: Koenigsegg REALLY showed McLaren by beating them with 1 kmph in a 12 year newer car thinking about that automtive technology is sooo slowy evolving and has so little knowledge about lightweight and bodydesigns these days. :grinno:

I like the Koenigsegg but....
The McLaren is a legend, the Koenigsegg will never be in the same leauge! :loser:

I think it is a big deal. Also I think it is a big deal that McLaren "cheated" with tape and without wipers :sly:

Funny how top speed is not an issue when McLaren F1 isnt the fastest car in the world longer...

http://www.koenigsegg.se/graphics/startimage_record2.jpg

The Koenigsegg CCR raised McLaren's previously unofficial mark of 372 km/h set at Nardo/Prototipo in 1993 with over 15 km/h. On top of this the CCR broke the official McLaren F1 record of 386.7 km/h, which was set on the 9 km straight line VW Ehra facility in Wolfsburg Germany.

Phelton any more pics from the run those are new to me also i which car did you nearl do the double ton i envy you i really do.

I dont belive for an instant the the F1's top speed was an accedent Mclaren do their sums. Is this official Gunnis Book of Records or just unofficial? Dont thint itl last to long i think the Veron could prove fast enough to take it the more i read on the Veyron the more i like it. Besides i thought the F! did 243mph but mclaren went with the slower recording the oppsit of what happend with the xj220 i wounder what hapend hear the margin seams very small....

øøøøøøøhhh...I personally could not give more $$$$ in what car is the fastest.
The McLaren is a far better car than the Koenigsegg overall and has a charisma the Koenigsegg can dream about!

And I like the Koenigsegg as well so I'm not against it in any way.

The McLaren has been beaten on numerous records, but show me a car that can rock the world as much as The Mac did when it arrived.
Half of the people in the world doesent even care about the Koenigsegg enough to bother to learn it's name!
That's how great it is outside the boarders of Sweden.
Only for auto nuts and enthusiasts.

It was never that important. People don't buy the McLaren for its top speed. They buy it for its engineering excellence and exclusivity and heritage. The top speed on a McLaren or Enzo or Zonda or Konigsegg is a nice bonus, but as long as they do above 210 mph, nobody really cares about the actual top speed. It's just a spec and maybe a nice target/world record/pub talking point--nothing more. These cars are mostly used at 120 to 160 or so on the highway. On most tracks, the speeds are actually lower when not being driven by professionals.

Beyond 160, you need empty roads with shallow curves...any idiot can stomp on a gas pedal and go faster if they don't care about other road users, license, safety in general, etc.

Top speed is a function of hp and aerodynamics and rolling resistance. You could always turbo a McLaren and get an even higher top speed--guess how many people have elected to do this. And removing the wiper or taping up shut lines is not cheating, or the record would not have been officially sanctioned. I am sure the CCR had some "mods" done to it as well, whether publicized or not. It's cold in Europe at the moment, so the cooling capacity didn't need to be at 100%--think they left all those cooling vents wide open? And what about the moose's behind that every Swede seems to like so much...I don't see one anywhere near the CCR. :D

Funny how top speed is not an issue when McLaren F1 isnt the fastest car in the world longer...

I certainly didn't say that - I just mentioned that it's not the "end all" of performance figures. It's a rather irrelevant figure in the grand scheme of things given the extremely limited opportunities anyone would have to reach it. It has nothing to do with a car being faster than the F1 - I have never argued that the F1 was as great as it is based solely on the top speed figure they reached at Ehra Lessien. It's more a footnote on the legacy of a truly wonderful car and the same can be said for the 'segg.

Phelton any more pics from the run those are new to me also i which car did you nearl do the double ton i envy you i really do.

I figured those would be new for some people. :cool:

The car was a '96 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo modified by a US company called Autothority. With the modifications they developed it was apparently pushing close to 600hp at the crank. The same car was featured in MotorTrend magazine in a brief comparison with the factory '97 Porsche 911 Turbo S. The car actually belongs to a good friend of mine, but he'll be replacing it very soon with a Carrera GT. Here's a shot of the actual car scanned from its appearance in MotorTrend magazine:

http://www.fast-autos.net/autothority/thority911turbo2.jpg

Their art director got the interiors backwards, so that red interior blended into the photo is actually from the Turbo S.

On our 'record run', the speedo needle was registering about 205mph while the digital speedometer showed 196mph at the same time. I'd figure the digital was much more accurate, but either way it was close enough for me. :naughty:

>8^)
ER

P.S.: Don't try that at home kids. :grinno:

http://ringfotos.free.fr/9ff_nardo.wmv


Thanks for the info pheloton. Will try to do this as soon as i have a car fast enough...

The Muria rocked the world wounder how many miles a Konenig......... will do before it falls apart?

Whese this CCR record vid i cant fint it can sombody link me?

On most tracks, the speeds are actually lower when not being driven by professionals.

Seems like you never been on the Nürburgring.


And removing the wiper or taping up shut lines is not cheating, or the record would not have been officially sanctioned. I am sure the CCR had some "mods" done to it as well, whether publicized or not.


Well, then the achevied top speed could be even higher... I think it is cheating. If there isnt the option to remove anything on the options list from the factory it is not factory spec and thus not produced as a production car.

It's cold in Europe at the moment, so the cooling capacity didn't need to be at 100%--think they left all those cooling vents wide open?

:lol: Seems like you never been to Europe either. In some parts of Sweden there is -20 degrees Celsius (a Swede by the way), not Fahrenheit. And in southern Italy at Nardo the sun is shining and snow does not exist now. Like comparing Minnesota with Florida or Cali :nono:

And what about the moose's behind that every Swede seems to like so much...I don't see one anywhere near the CCR. :D

The CC-R have ghost instead to celebrate the jet fighter squadron buildings it was built in. A couple of years ago they built Gripen there (www.gripen.com) and that is a jet fighter that surpass all of Britains current jet fighters as well (and McLaren cars ;) ).

Regarding the moose, the "PUV" XC90 has that, and yes it is also fast ;)

Using conversion, this is 241.1 mph, conveniently and almost exactly one mile per hour faster than the McLaren. Nothing will ever touch the F1 in quality or detail though :grinno:

and that is a jet fighter that surpass all of Britains current jet fighters as well (and McLaren cars ).


Eurofighter the harrier lignting.. What utter rubish man the Gripen is an f16 in a difrent dress. Anybody can stick a highley bosted engine in a car and take the record but it certainl dosent heave the heratege longevity of a mclaren and i for one find this top speed run questionable we have no pics or it seams vids so were the mirrors on the car? Also as i said some equipment showed the F1 at 243 what did all the equipment say i bet there promoting the higher figure. The CCR is an achevment but it ant no F1 period. Anyone rember the top gear run they had to tape the windscreen in as they feared it would blow out i for one would be nervious aboutd those speeds in a car like that!

I find it humorous that there is a 3 page thread on this here in the McLaren F1 forum, but no one has bothered to start a thread about this achievement in the Koenigsegg forum. :lol:

I do think this thread should stay here as it is definitely relevant to our subject and I'm not going to move it over, but someone who cares should really start a thread about this record run over there too.

>8^)
ER

tha'ts the thing, no one cares. except the moose lover.

On most tracks, the speeds are actually lower when not being driven by professionals.

Seems like you never been on the Nürburgring.


And removing the wiper or taping up shut lines is not cheating, or the record would not have been officially sanctioned. I am sure the CCR had some "mods" done to it as well, whether publicized or not.


Well, then the achevied top speed could be even higher... I think it is cheating. If there isnt the option to remove anything on the options list from the factory it is not factory spec and thus not produced as a production car.

It's cold in Europe at the moment, so the cooling capacity didn't need to be at 100%--think they left all those cooling vents wide open?

:lol: Seems like you never been to Europe either. In some parts of Sweden there is -20 degrees Celsius (a Swede by the way), not Fahrenheit. And in southern Italy at Nardo the sun is shining and snow does not exist now. Like comparing Minnesota with Florida or Cali :nono:


The 'Ring represents most tracks? I thought it was just one out of umpteen tracks in the world. Silly me.

If you think any change in the car is cheating, then all cars with drivers in them must be cheater cars, as drivers are not installed at the factory. Same for varying levels of fuel.

If you think Italy in the summer is the same temperature as now, well, then, I guess you are right:
1. The Konigsegg is the best car in the world.
2. Sweden must have the best airforce in the world.
3. Ghost stickers are cool things to put on cars. Whoooooo
4. Moose are sexy.
5. Goofy tempurpedic seats make a car faster.
6. A semi-precious stone in the gear lever makes a car super fast.
7. Bald is beautiful.

There's a bunch of other things too, but I give up. You're right. We are all wrong. :D

Interesting. I've seen people enter forums with this information. A lot of people who are not enthusiasts of a particular make/model but fanciers (and I use that term loosely) of the latest fads tend to really like the Koenigsegg. Personally, don't hate it. But I'm not crazy about the cheap way the door moves out... like some kit you'd find in a JC Whitney catalog (for those not in the US, it's a catalog full of cheap parts). Yes I know it has engineered struts and such.. But if image and originallity is important, (Lambo has the scissor doors, McLaren has dihedral, Mercedes gullwing) why did they choose to make it so cheap looking. I think the CCR would appeal to me a lot more with normal doors.

The trim bezels around the lights look like they stole parts out of the APC catalog. The CC8 looked better.

True test of a machine is on the race circuit. McLaren has proven themselves with the F1 in all forms of GT racing (BPR, FIA GT, LeMans, JGTC) Would love to see the CCR in war paint. I think we might see another evolution of the CCR in race pedigree... perhaps even a long tail version to compete with the other FIA GT cars.

As with anything, the Koenigseggs appeal to certain people... I'm not one of them. Hope the people that can afford such a beast, enjoy it for what it is.

BTW: There are plenty of cars with 300MPH top speed... but they only do it a 1/4 mile at a time.

You know in the uk some of them are even road legal...........

wow I knew it was bound to happen but man thats pretty wild.

Its custom street eliminater or something and yes totally wild they have to fit bigger radiators for road use but i think thats about it i can provide a link with many pics if you want. Make's fast and the furious seem a little tame.

Dont worry ill show em

In the read corner Koenigseggegeggoen (yes i know its wrong that time)

In the blue corner a "tecnicaly standard" no dought Aston Martin the latest and most overtuned model after a series of bugger where not there yet add more BOOST goddamit models. :bigthumb:

http://www.surepixuk.plus.com/cars/root/ccse/steve_neimantas/sp0405_c4100.jpg

yes its legal note the numberplate.

To much for you sweeds to handel on the road? Ok how about a road legal classic. This one is drive by a nice engish lady school teacher.

http://www.surepixuk.plus.com/cars/root/ccse/sue_jackson/sp0406_c5056.jpg

http://www.surepixuk.plus.com/cars/root/ccse/sue_jackson/ap0405_c2507.jpg

So before you stat Brit bashing these are just two of many that came out of peoples sheds a bit like you airforce... :chair:

See how easy it is to do one thing for a shot period. Where as the F1 wheres a suit of many colours.

Hello dear McLaren fans again. I just came home from Geneva Salon and saw the red CC-R that made the top-speed record. Amazing car, it also had a roll-cage.

Later I'll publish some pictures of the red CC-R as well as a silver CC-R.

Virtually all of the Koengiegg that are ordereed are the CC-R and US homologation is underway with firts US deliveries late 2005.

PS. I wont discuss the British airforce again :biggrin:

Do we know if any pics of the run will surface im intrested to know if the car had mirrors and so on also any clue when the 250mph run might be.

It had mirrors and wiper (one big). Additinally it had a rool cage as well.

There are already Koenigseggs in the US that have been made US compliant by private companies.

Really, how many? I have only seen one in black that looked US compliant.

There are already Koenigseggs in the US that have been made US compliant by private companies.

Yes its down in florida from what Ive heard.

One was also spotted in Ohio, but it too was black, so it could have been the same car.

Gustav - When you come back to post your Koenigsegg photos from Geneva, you should really put them in the Koenigsegg forum. Then you can provide a link to them back in this thread. That forum really needs some action and your stuff will be a great addition I'm sure. :cool:

>8^)
ER

:eek2:

McLaren240! Do you have a link where I can find more info on these street-legal dragsters? Are these licence plates for real?! If yes they make a mockery of the whole top-speed-by-a-road-car issue!

The report from the Koenigsegg stand:

Koenigsegg:

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=3

Alpina:

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=2

BMW M6:

http://www.m6board.com/articles.php?id=29&page=1

Nice link about the Koenigsegg CCR!

It's a cool looking great car but it will never be a better allround package than the McLaren F1.

I think the McLaren would chrush it on a race track.
Some cars are great, other make history.

The Koenigsegg dosent have the "pure breed" feeling that a McLaren has.
The McLaren just looks more charismatic and the Koenigsegg is just like a 14 year old boy would make it regarding looks. Well kind of works as I'm nearly twice that age and loves it, but not more than the Mc.:-)
I'm desperately hoping that the Gayron wont take Koenigsegg's speed record!

Interesting. I find the McLaren beautiful from an engineering/historical perspective, but in terms of actual looks, it's a bit bubbly/blobby, I don't know, not quite the hard-edged cool looking car that a supercar should be. The HDF kit goes a long way towards fixing that, though.

I find the Koenigsegg to be styled better than a McLaren in some ways, but I think the rear exhaust exit looks like an old drainhole, the roofline around the central glass too bulbous, the lights unimaginative, the front bumper too think, making it look stubby instead of sleek, and the wraparound windscreen, though a nice concept, doesn't do much to define lines or aggressive rake. Thank god they fixed that side intake in the CCR. It looked too soft before, IMO.

I am equally impressed with both cars' interiors, though the McLaren's is a bit parts-bin and unimaginative in its use of lines and switchgear. But sheer usability and tactile feedback are spot on. You touch or flip anything and there's a reassuring click and confirmation. The gearshift lever is also infinitely better to hold than the rod in the Koenigsegg.

What are your thoughts about the interior?

Yes the plate are real i have seen pics of these cars on the road somewhere buit they dont do it very oftern. www.feel-the-noise.com is what your after i think do a search or look for custom street eliminator on that site theres some wild wild stuff including a bright yellow van............

The interiour is very down to business, not anything unneeded and everything you see is carbon, leather or alcantara.

http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/imagearchive/james_holm_3.jpg

http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/imagearchive/ccr_blue_8_640.jpg

The interior on the record car looks very sparce indeed ther are little difrences hear ant there i notice the wiper is in the vertical much the same as taking it of. What intrestes me most asside from the rather more supportive looking seat is the fact that this car dosent have the cabin air vents in the central coloum have the power sapping wight adding fans and things been removed i wounder...

Also anybody happen to know which of the two gearboxs the record car had?

http://www.silverfoxracing.org.uk/cruise00.htm provides more info on the dragsters 1/4 mile between 8/9 secs.

Also the F1 rates .86 on the skidpan but the Konenigsegg rates 1.30 anyboody care to explane to me exactily what this figure is and what this means in the real world are this figures accurate? or do they oftern vary?

http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/imagearchive/james_holm_3.jpg

LOL look at that shifter jesus.....

Looks odd, but it's a very well-engineered piece. No boot required, the bottom ball forms a perfect seal in every position that the lever can be in. I played around with the one that came to America for the Gumball a couple of years ago. Impressive engineering.

No doubt that the Koenigsegg is a great and cool car! Even though the shifter looks like a thin dildo!
There is one shop near me who got a red CCR, I should be able to visit within june:-)

Could try and get some additional info.

Also the F1 rates .86 on the skidpan but the Konenigsegg rates 1.30 anyboody care to explane to me exactily what this figure is and what this means in the real world are this figures accurate? or do they oftern vary?Basically, it means that the Koenigsegg "corners" better than the F1.

The skidpad is a measure of the lateral acceleration of a car during a constant radius turn. The lateral acceleration is equal to: A = (V*V)/R

Where V is the velocity of the car, and R is the radius of the turn. The g part comes in where you divide A by g, to give a reference to the acceleration of gravity (9.81 m/s^2, 32.2 ft/s^2)

Using the numbers, we can calculate the maximum (Theoretical) speed of a F1 and a Koenigsegg around a turn of 100 meters (328.1 ft):

F1:

Vmax = sqrt(R*A)
Vmax = sqrt(100m * 0.86 * 9.81 m/s^2)
Vmax = 29.0 m/s = 101.4 km/h = 64.6 miles/hour

Ko:

Vmax = sqrt(R*A)
Vmax = sqrt(100m * 1.30 * 9.81 m/s^2)
Vmax = 35.7 m/s = 128 km/h = 79.5 miles/hour

As with any numbers, you can't compare them, and they're totally worthless unless the person providing them describes the method and conditions under which the test was performed. However, it is widely known that the F1 has a more compliant suspension than many supercars, and it also lacks any sort of rear sway bar. It would still be safe to say that the Koenigsegg could go around a turn of a constant radius faster than an F1 could (without losing grip.)

This is really the only comparison you can make. Exactly how one would perform compared to the other in a real world situation would have to be tested on the same track, on the same day with two drivers driving each car, although if you compare stock road version to stock road version, you'd probably see that the Koenigsegg comes out on top.

Wow man i thout the skidpan figures woukld be prittu useless as they dont take speen into account wrong! Love to know would have thoght the F1's special tyres and ground plane sheere or whatever its called would have placed it on top. I wounder how accurate these figures are as road surfaces are so veraible also the F1 has three suspension settings dosent it? think id go with the hardest. Though the LM aparentily only manages .94 g that cant be right it less than my fave the standart XJ220!. The Carrera GT i would presume is better still though around the same track at the same time evo found the F1 faster.

Would presuem the an Ultima GTR with a sill powerfull engine some have been made would pumeel them both! I wounder why skidpan figures arnt more oftern used?