uhm... has anyone ever heard of B&G suspension??

they offer a full coilover kit for a P11 that even has helper springs...


i was on carparts.com today... just looking around.. saw "coilover kits" listed... clicked on it expecting to see something like.. "no listings found..."

but to my surprise saw... "B&G S3 coilover suspension" while the kit has some kewl features like helper springs etc... they dont look like high quality... (ie.. tein, h&r, jic)


check it out.. http://www.carparts.com/parts/newsearch2.asp?reflink=70212-81784FCCA90F11D3A012006008055228-00297133143662598262-0-0&sourceid=2&parttypeid=3099&itemid=7077&autoidsearch=YES

i dont think the pic is of the actual g20 suspension.. just a general pic... but it does say the kit if for 1999-2000 G20 (P11)

ok.. that link wont work unless you go through the menus first...

heres the pic....

B&G? hummm...B&G, B&G..........never heard of them...are they European?

I've heard the name before . . . but I never knew that they made suspension components for the G20 . . . that's news to me, but it's great news . . .

Glad to know the market is widening out for us a bit . . . more to choose from.

Those pics look like they have a shortened strut body . . . a la the Motivational setup, no?

the springs and perches look shitty...


but the pistons are pretty thick, and also notice the dampers have the adjustable knobs at the top

>>the springs and perches look shitty...


sheeesh, glad I wasn't the only one who felt this way. hehehe. :D the perch looks like it's gonna slip ....like em' koni's after a day at the auto-x. car comes back slanted...da da da da damn!!! saw that happen on a civic. sorry couldn't help laughing as I showed off my TEIN's.

i'm still amazed at how that c-clip holds up the tein perches!!!

this THIN LITTLE c-clip is basically holding the weight of your car!! lol... good engineering i guess...

yeh, japanese 0 tolerance spec, I guess. :D but yah, I too am quite amazed how that little thin ring can hold the weight of the car. I was showing off my typeHA's on my other car that day. hehe. :D noway sheet locks are gonna jump...right?

these are interesting....also, long time ago when the P11 first came out in the US, Maxspeed magazine had a project G20...they also put on some coilovers by a name i never heard off...Bell soemthing...maybe they are these B&G ones? i'll go through my magazine tonight......anyway, dont get too excited about their "project" G20...ti's long gone and all they did was paint it yellow, 18inch rims, the WW thruster wing (ugly imo) and remapped ecu.
the only cool thing about that car is that it's the prototype for WW for their front lip (it's the car that's in wingswest' site) and maxspeed custom a carbon fiber extension on the lip that looked really cool....i'll scan some pics (cuz i know b00gie will be asking for them!!! heheh)

I've heard of them, supposed to be really good european stuff, one of the best I believe or so i've heard, its 9002 and TUV certified but who knows...

here's there site www.b-gsuspension.com

and here's another pic...

well it does look a little better in that picture.

btw the site says its 12 way adjustable dampers


who's gonna be the first to get them lol... if i hadnt just bought the Tein's from Luke I might go for these and be the guinea pig...


lol.. we were talking about Henry switching wheels like socks.. well hell, i'm the same way w/ suspensions.. i think i'll be up to my 6th different setup now...

FYI...

www.mmrusa.com
www.nis-knacks.com

also sell this product and their line of lowering springs too...

it appears to be top-notch quality with the www.b15sentra.net community and someone on there has them already...

Here's an even better pic of it...it's the exact set for a B15 (2000-01) Sentra...

hey, actually those b&g's look pretty decent. got sheet locks and all.

wow.. getting better looking with every pic...

no pillow ball mounts?? :(

OK all you suspension experts!! :) Dom and I were going to try and keep this a secret until he managed to get them on his car. We went and looked at a similar kit at a local shop here. I got a really good vibe about the place and they didn't BS me like some places I've been to. They had a 'race preped' RX-7 in the shop so I imagine they know a thing or two about suspension.

They guy told me the shocks have a lifetime warrenty. If they go bad you just replace them, for the cost of replacement I assume. You can get any spring rate you want as well. For the price they look pretty good. I'll stick with my TEIN's for now, considering my employments situation. :(

aha!! with holding info are we??

good thing I exploited them for everyone!! lol...

hahaha!!!!! secrets???! :D I'll stick to the TEIN's myself too. they're greeeeeeeeeeeeeeat! damn tiger.

since everyone is opening up and letting people know about their "secrets" it's time for me to post some pics for the CRUX coilovers for the P11....but then again.....:devil:

I feel so violated..... :o

Aghh shit ...seriously !!! Ya'll ruined my surprise.

I'm putting them on later this month ..so I guess I'll be the first guinea pig for B&G. i've done some research and have always gotten great vibes from people who are using B&G on their cars. Note that B&G makes components for other well known companies. I forget which ..

Will keep ya posted.
and thanks for ruining my surprise ..beyotches...hehe

without the pillowball mount, i wonder if these out performs the teins. i am skeptical hehe

I've had the B&G suspension kit(not coilovers) on my P10 for about 8 months now, they perform very well for a street set up. The lower the car nicely and tighten up the overall feel of the car. I special ordered them about a two years ago. It took about 10 months to get to me. Oh well.....But the wait was worth it, I feel the shocks valving and progressive springs are very well matched and provide a firm and very sporting ride. At first the shocks were a bit too stiff, but after the intial break in of the valving they are now perfectly settled. All B&G components are manufactured in Sweden, and my shocks carry a lifetime warranty. I too recently saw this "new" coilover system from B&G and was initially impressed. I would HIGHLY recommend this company, very good quality, and great reputation. I Believe alot of "tuner" companies contract B&G to manufacture springs for them. I would recommend my suspension kit set up for a street driven car, For the track a linear spring and adjustable shock combo would be preferable, So I guess you could go with the coilovers in this instance.

808Infiniti

That's nice and all. But I'm a man of numbers, how much do the B&G's cost? I strongly believe in, "you get what you pay for", but I was very disappointed with the Tein's. Too bad H&R doesn't make a kit for our cars.

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
Tbut I was very disappointed with the Tein's.
What didn't you like about them? Maybe I can help. I just made some adjustments to my TEIN's and my buddy who doesn't ride in the car all that much even mentioned how much better the ride was now.

Well, it's a little late, I sold them off. I had adjusted those things...god know how many times. I was never satisfied with the ride quality. Maybe is was because I've been spoiled and driven many H&R coilover equipped cars. My friend up here is the biggest H&R distributor for the Pacific Northwest. The H&R's always seemed to have the upper hand. He talked to the guys at H&R about a standard spring. I tried to be the guinea pig, but they gave the prototype set to someone in Cali.. Now there not going to make a U.S. H&R spring for the P10, they do for the P11 though, bastards. Surprisingly, in all honest, I like the G/C and AGX set-up better than my old Tein's.

OIC. So you had them on a P10. I didn't know TEIN made a kit for P10.

humm..my TEIN's seem to do the job for me. maybe it was something with the P10 and TEIN's that didn't just mix. who knows, I'm happy with em'

I'm using 14 clicks from full hard, but I think I'm gonna use 12 clicks from full hard now that I got a couple hundred miles on them to break them in. :D

Originally posted by nis.k.a.
I had adjusted those things...god know how many times. I was never satisfied with the ride quality.

...Surprisingly, in all honest, I like the G/C and AGX set-up better than my old Tein's.


You must have been adjusting Tein's in your dreams.

Tein DOES NOT offer a kit for a P10. :p


IF, somehow you did have Tein's on your car, they were not made for it which is why you had problems.

Now that we have a little more info on it....here's the next best question.............how much is it????????:alien2:

The B&G kit is around $1500 and can be found at www.carparts.com

Please note the picture is just a general one and rather old. As we can see from other pictures, the kits look a lot better now.

$1500?! wow, kind of a rip-off imo. my TEIN's were $1100 including a $300 air charge. got it in 5 business days. hehe. :D

and the best part is that...I'm happy with it.

Yes but don't forget the shocks on the B+G kit are warrentied for LIFE! If the shocks go bad they replace them.

plus the b&g have infinite height adjustability and they have helper springs. *drool*

TEIN also warranty their product for life...just so you know.

It's possible I had the wrong ones, but I don't see how. I can 100% assure you that my P10 was equipped with adjustable Tein coilovers. Paid $1150 shipped. Sorry.

hell, if I slapped an H&R coilover kit from an E46 on my P11 it'd handle like SHIT too...


bottomline: Tein DOES NOT make a kit for the P10.


;)

Originally posted by G22DET
TEIN also warranty their product for life...just so you know.
OK so how would I claim new shocks whem mine finally bite it?

return them to Tein I assume :)


...or maybe Tein will have a larger NA presence with some distributors by then.

my bad, TEIN warranties it for a year....but they do take returns if it's a defect that's TEINs fault...and u gotta speak Japanese...
anyway, TEIN does not offer suspension for the P10 Primera, so either you got ripped off or puff the magic dragon is your best friend. no one EVER complains about the ride quality on the TEINs.
I dotn know about the B&G so give us a review whoever has it. But i think my JIC would kick your ass!!!! hahah
:devil:

I remember seeing in the old Tein catalog the shock and spring kit for a P10. I think it could of been discontinued , and maybe this is where the confusion is being brought up. The tein's seems a little pricey for a system which has a clip on perch and stock style spring, as opposed to a true coilover. So to compare a Tein suspension with the JIC or B&G is like comparing apples and oranges(even though they are in the same price ranges). I guess a track enthusisast would prefer a coilover system such as JIC , B&G , or GC/GAB where one could swap out different spring rates and adjust the shock valving to suite ones driving style and track requirements.

On a side note all this talk of shock/spring combinations makes me wonder about another large component of a refined suspension, Swaybars. Not a lot of discussion has gone on in this forum about this type of modification. I know with my B&G suspension, and aftermarket swaybars my car handles very well on the track and yet civilized on the street. I think if more people ran larger sway bars they could dial their shocks valving down for a more comfortable street ride and yet your G20's would corner just as well... Not to mention how a larger front sway bar helps to combat torque steer......Just some thoughts.....

808Infiniti

If this is of some elp to anyone, NX2000 (aka 100NX) sway bars are bigger, and with minor modifications can be fitted to a Primera (aka G20 :) ) There was a post about the correct procedure on the se-r.net list, you can search the archives for it.

P.S. Is it true that the front suspension is the same on P10 and P11? What about the rear?

alex,

from what i've heard the P10 and P11 have the same front. the back is different. the P11 has a rear multilink.

i've also heard of a P10 with a 300Z suspension. the guy who told me that said it's an unbelievable ride.