Well between both cars at least. :lol: Just picked up my new '05 Evo VIII RS last night. Suddenly the SRT-4 isn't that much fun to drive anymore....

http://home.comcast.net/~blackhandclan/SRT_EVO.jpg

Just picked up my Evo last night. Suddenly the SRT-4 isn't that much fun to drive anymore....

http://home.comcast.net/~blackhandclan/SRT_EVO.jpg

What kinda mods does that thing have?!?! It's not stock, is it? I had no idea those cars was putting down numbers like that. Details, because I have no idea about Evos. :banghead:

your driveway just got like 100times sexier.
lucky bastard :grinno: :) :)

The Evo is bone stock. I just bought it last night. The SRT-4 mods are in my sig.

i hate you. . .

The Evo is bone stock. I just bought it last night. The SRT-4 mods are in my sig.

Hey, Steiner. Quick question for you. How does your SRT-4 run with those mods? What kinda times? I've heard that they are fast/fun cars to own. I've seen one run at the track, but didn't get to see his times. Looks like you have two fun cars to play with!!!!
I like that evo's look. I've never seen one in person, but it looks awesome.

Evo! Who drives an Evo these days? You my friend just wasted your money on a car that could basically kick my ass any day of the week. What a shame :disappoin .

On a side note, I got a fuel economy Civic that I'd love to trade square even for your SRT-4 there. :iceslolan So....how's about it? PM me if your interested :grinno: . L8...

What kinda mods does that thing have?!?! It's not stock, is it? I had no idea those cars was putting down numbers like that. Details, because I have no idea about Evos. :banghead:

He was talking about both cars combined.

I've never dragged the SRT-4. With slicks it should roll off a low 13/high 12 second quarter mile though. Based on other people with the same mods, it's probably around 270-280whp.

Well I gotta be honest with you guys...the SRT-4 has been sold. I deliver it to the new owner this weekend. I just thought this would be a good photo. :lol2:

If I could afford payments and insurance on a $20k SRT-4 and a $30k Evo I'd probably just sell them both and by an E46 M3. LOL. I'm a poor bastard just like the rest of you guys...living beyond my means and driven by the need for speed! :iceslolan

He was talking about both cars combined.

I caught that after I saw the pic. It didn't load up for me the first time I checked the thread. :biggrin:

I can now claim 500whp!

I will be able to later, with only one car!! :evillol:


Nice set of rides. Those EVO's have caused me some problems. Quick bastards.

I will be able to later, with only one car!! :evillol:

Dayum. I'm assuming you're taling about your F-Body. Can 500whp be had without FI on an LS1?

I love the double car picture man, just wow...

Dayum. I'm assuming you're taling about your F-Body. Can 500whp be had without FI on an LS1?
Yeah, but with the stock cubes, it takes a set of Stage III heads and a huge cam. Over .600 lift on the stock 346ci. Pushing it's limits.

I am actually swapping in a LSx based motor. 402ci iron block. Basicly an H2 motor, but stroked.

Yeah, but with the stock cubes, it takes a set of Stage III heads and a huge cam. Over .600 lift on the stock 346ci. Pushing it's limits.

I am actually swapping in a LSx based motor. 402ci iron block. Basicly an H2 motor, but stroked.
That sounds like a beast. You confident that the tranny and rear end (I'm assuming it's a 12 bolt) are up to the task?

Naw, still running the stock rear-end. Hoping that can make it 8-9 months until I can afford a Moser 12 bolt. T56 transmission should be good with the power it will make.

im so jealous >< ...i want one...lol nice pix late

nice cars man. i wish i can have that evo. ur so freaking lucky.

adRiAn

nice cars man. i wish i can have that evo. ur so freaking lucky.

adRiAn


It's not luck, it's called Debt.


You could have it too, both the Evo and the Debt.


Speed is directly proportionate to how much you're willing to spend. In other words, How fast can you afford to go?

It's not luck, it's called Debt.
You could have it too, both the Evo and the Debt.

:1: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: WORD.

It's not luck, it's called Debt.


You could have it too, both the Evo and the Debt.


Speed is directly proportionate to how much you're willing to spend. In other words, How fast can you afford to go?

It's sad but so true. :disappoin

Romping on the gas pedal helps to alleviate some of the stress though. :evillol:

It's sad but so true. :disappoin

Romping on the gas pedal helps to alleviate some of the stress though. :evillol:



I know your pain, and your joys all too well my friend... all too well.

It's sad but so true. :disappoin

Romping on the gas pedal helps to alleviate some of the stress though. :evillol:

It sad but true, if you want to run fast right now with out to many mods, you need $30,000 for a new car that runs 13.5 to 13.0 so get you credit rating up for your new debt or beg mommy or daddy.

Also, The Mach 1 loves to play with the EVO's. You have a sweet car, you are blessed so don't mess it up with to many high clutch drops.

Tell me this one thing, if the Neon SRT-4 Stage 2 runs 13.3 to 12.8 with slicks, how would the EVO be more fun when they run 13.5's with a good driver stock. I race both of these cars often and they are both a lot of fun, but the price, speed, durabilty of the (SRT-4 Stage 2) makes it a good sleeper to kill those with little respect for all cars. So what made you change your mind to move to the EVO. Your SRT-4 would take it in a 1/4 mile race with the high rpm clutch drop in the EVO. My info comes from the street racing that I do, but can be proved with articles on the web. You had a sweet car and now got another one, what make one better to you and why?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/MachClean.jpg

I'd say the EVO would be a helluva alot more fun to drive due to it's fantastic handling. Nothing beats taking sharp curves and whatnot at almost twice the recommended speed! :D

Nice. I love the way evos look without the wing...The wing looks like shit IMO....Your srt-4 was fast huh? What made you want an evo? Ethier way both cars are :naughty: Hot!

See, I am the oposite here. I think that EVO looks like shit, and is butt ass ugly. I like the way the SRT-4 looks, and in the pict, I think it looks way better than the EVO. I think their styling has gone to hell.

very nice pic and great new toy!

I'd say the EVO would be a helluva alot more fun to drive due to it's fantastic handling. Nothing beats taking sharp curves and whatnot at almost twice the recommended speed! :D

We are on a STREET RACING forum, not ROAD RACING or COURSE RACING. Therefore, taking sharp curves and what not at almost twice the recommended speed more and likely doesn’t applies or come to mind as much as it would to autocross driving people. And if there is any fool who is trying to probe the performance envelope of the EVO’s handling on the street should be killed before he kills other people driving recklessly. By the way, I also can take sharp curves in a Mach 1, I powerslide it but some people call it drifting. However, it’s just not safe on US streets because traffic and little rocks are most likely on the edge of the road.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/Mach1pic10KingoftheHill.jpg

It sad but true, if you want to run fast right now with out to many mods, you need $30,000 for a new car that runs 13.5 to 13.0 so get you credit rating up for your new debt or beg mommy or daddy.

Also, The Mach 1 loves to play with the EVO's. You have a sweet car, you are blessed so don't mess it up with to many high clutch drops.

Tell me this one thing, if the Neon SRT-4 Stage 2 runs 13.3 to 12.8 with slicks, how would the EVO be more fun when they run 13.5's with a good driver stock. I race both of these cars often and they are both a lot of fun, but the price, speed, durabilty of the (SRT-4 Stage 2) makes it a good sleeper to kill those with little respect for all cars. So what made you change your mind to move to the EVO. Your SRT-4 would take it in a 1/4 mile race with the high rpm clutch drop in the EVO. My info comes from the street racing that I do, but can be proved with articles on the web. You had a sweet car and now got another one, what make one better to you and why?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/MachClean.jpg

simple theres more to a car then just 1/4 mile you know. the EVO will slaughter it in the handling, and will out brake it like nothing. my friends EVO can take these sharp high speed corners at over 140mph along with my friends STi without even the tires squeeling. my modded suspension 240sx can only push it to 110- 120mph tops. plus they stop waaaay better then me, and i have the 4 piston 300ZX twin turbo brake conversion for my car.

my friends EVO left a BPU supra TT for dead on that same highway from the twistys. on the straight he was no match, but he burned him on on the corners.

drive an EVO and you'll see what i mean. drive a SRT-4 and you'll notice that Hi HP and a FWD doesnt' mix very well. esp in 1st and 2nd gear where you gotta always wrestle the steering wheel fighting wheel hop.

you make it sound like it takes really hard testing to immediately notice the handling difference between an average handling car to a really good handling car. well my car handles good, and after hopin into an evo, you can imediately tell the EVO handles much much better.

we developed something close to its limit by slowly adding more and more speed. generally you can go 2X the speed limit on an offramp + 10 mph. i'm not kidding. my friend has blitz down a 360 degree freeway off ramp at 50mph without even the tires squeeling. my 240 can only do it at 40mph tops.

also we don't race on off/on ramps either. we just enjoy the car for its pure responsiveness, and amazing grip. they come with near R- compund tires stock. they are freaking unbelievable. my friend have own his over for almost 2 years, so again when we test this car, its always by slowly adding speed until we felt its no longer safe to add more. the freak car can fly down the highway at over 130mph then see the off ramp, then slam on his brakes down to 130mph without even provoking that ABS to come on. now that is insane. and he does it in such a short distance.

do yourself a favor and find a friend or someone you know with a EVO either drive the car yourself, or have them take you for a spin, and you'll see what i mean.

whats the power train like on those evos?

I think most people here on this forum maybe more ¼ mile or top speed orientated than not, the twisty can’t be raced by anybody with the right car or not. And then finding a place that’s safe is another thing by it’s self. However I could be wrong so I will say it first. How many of you out here set up races threw the twisty in your home area. With out nearly killing grandmother. Also, I have driven both of these cars, me and my race friends trade cars sometime because we like everything that runs mid 13’s and better, tell you what, take at Corvette Z06 out and the EVO and tell what one is fun and handles great. I have, they are both great but I love power sliding the Z06 with skill a bit more that letting the car do what it does by it self. We all know all wheel drive grips like hell.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/MachandZ06pic1.jpg

well the difference is, me and my friends don't go to organized street races. we're the type that if someone fucks with us on the highway, or at the light, we go. mostly we encounter cars on the highway late at night. so theres no traffic. also yes the Z06 handles better, but as you said, it takes alot more skills to drive it to its full potential then the EVO. also i doubt it takes high speed bumpers very well without having the rear end kick out. the evo and sti just eats it up. totally different feeling. since you've driven an evo, then why are you question its greatness compared to the SRT4. the SRT4 only matched the EVO in one thing, and thats high end. every other catergory its outclassed. also a cammed evo will whoop the shit out of the a SRT-4 on the highway with even a stage 2.

well the difference is, me and my friends don't go to organized street races. we're the type that if someone fucks with us on the highway, or at the light, we go. mostly we encounter cars on the highway late at night. so theres no traffic. also yes the Z06 handles better, but as you said, it takes alot more skills to drive it to its full potential then the EVO. also i doubt it takes high speed bumpers very well without having the rear end kick out. the evo and sti just eats it up. totally different feeling. since you've driven an evo, then why are you question its greatness compared to the SRT4. the SRT4 only matched the EVO in one thing, and thats high end. every other catergory its outclassed. also a cammed evo will whoop the shit out of the a SRT-4 on the highway with even a stage 2.First, EVO cost more, therefore better stuff goes in to it. SRT-4 with Stage 2 added $24,000, EVO stock $30,000 plus.

Second, it will take more than a cam, it better have a very high lift and we know your warrenty is gone on that new car after that shit. I race most weekends, it's been proven often.

Last, ZO6 rear is glue and that all for that.

Once again, most street racing has more straight line accelaration than turns thats why I ask this question. Other wise there is no questin to ask. Look at the power to weight and drivetrain loss on these 2 cars and you will see that my question is valid on a STREET RACING FORUM. Most people don't have the money it take to make EVO 1/4 mile monster or straight line killer. And you know the dealer aint have you come in with that shit, they cancel warranty for fun.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/BlackmanbetweenHotness.jpg

An '05 Evo RS will do between a 13.1 and 13.5 with a good driver. Power is also up for '05 in the Evos...about 235-240whp and 245-250wtq. The Evo is has few equals off the line and even fewer in the twisties. What I've given up in terms of stock vs. stock straightline power (more specifically: vehicle weight, drivetrain loss, and gearing) can't really be measured until over 100mph. Off the line, in the twisties, in the 1/4 mile the Evo RS does better out of the box than my SRT-4.

BTW...I'm not going to compare the power of a modded stage 2 SRT-4 to a stock Evo VIII. That's apples to oranges no matter how you try to do the math. Stupidest arguments I read on the SRT forums are people claiming that with $X amount of mods their SRT-4 is faster and cheaper than an Evo or STi. It's fanboi math. You get what you pay for. Comparing the SRT-4 to the Evo VIII is like comparing the Mach 1 to the SVT Cobra.

Mach 1 racer. PLEASE take that bra thing or whatever off your hood. Your car looks sooooooo much better without it. And comparing a Mach 1 to a cobra isn't really much of a comparison..they're identical other than looks/the cobra has a blown version of the Mach 1s motor. And you'll see SRT-4s compared to evo 8s and STis alot. They're all three turbo, four door, manual only, etc. But what people forget is that they're comparing a FWD car to two AWD cars. And...theres no comparison there.

mach1racer why don't you go to the SRT4 forums and type up cammed evo vs. their SRT4 and see what they got to say about it.

everyone of them will say that they are freaking mean up top with just a cam and bolt ons. also the mopar stage 2 cost 24000. alright now add AWD, brembo brakes, alumium suspension parts, recaro seats, an active center differential, and then we'll see how much that SRT4 cost now.

also my friend bought is evo new for 30K after taxes. you get what you pay for. and it doesn't take much to get an evo to make 350whp.

heres the mods list

1) ecu reflash
2) cams
3) turbo back
4) adjustable cam gears

thats it. 4 parts is all you need to run low 12's. also cams are only a few hundred bucks and that along with a reflash will give you the most gains period.

as i said, go to the SRT4 forums and search up cammed evo's and see how even they admit to getting their asses whooped on the freeway.

another thing. a stock 04 SRT4 will put down 235whp to the front wheels only. a stock 04-05 evo will put down 240ish whp on all 4 wheels.

he has a pic there of his car with out it

I'm not comparing anything, I said plainly, as for as 1/4 mile go, why did you pick EVO over SRT-4 with the Stage 2. Some people don't read well. I also said I know that the EVO is better in the areas that you and the last post writing people bring up. However, the simple question has not been answered. And on the street, there is no apples and oranges. AWD vs. FWD vs. RWD. There are only winners and losers here in the Mid-West. That's it, you race what you can afford to make fast on a straight street every weekend it don't rain or snow. Money matters. You people make it like I'm shit'n on the EVO while I asked a person who is on a street racing forum why he picked one car over another with street racing being the main base for the question. I love EVO's alsoand can buy one.

And fellow Mustang driver, how do you like the rock chip that coming for your hood. I don't like mine so I will put my bra on when I'm out for long rides so here a pic without it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/Mach1AssedOut.jpg

Yeah, I feel you with the rock chips thing. I'm just saying..it takes away from the way the car looks. But you're right. And I have that picture. It was my desktop for awhile. :)

Now you are going to teach me about cars, right? Let's mack one thing clear, as it's been stated before, Any car can be faster with more money. However, I'm not make that point nor care about that. He had a modified car and got a new car. What is better to him in street racing and why? I know how I feel and you, but he own these cars so I want to hear this for his point of view. Speed wise , Money wise, and Everyday driver wise.

This is to TatII

I'm not comparing anything, I said plainly, as for as 1/4 mile go, why did you pick EVO over SRT-4 with the Stage 2.

That was not my only criteria. So as far as the 1/4 goes, it doesn't. I think the Evo would be quicker in the 1/4 mile stock than a stage 2 SRT-4 anyways. I've seen a bone stock RS on 91 octane do a 13.1. It would take a good driver, a good track, and slicks to do that in my SRT-4.

Guys lets not ruin Steiner thread. I personally think he made a great buy.

True he could have bough a used Z06 for a bit more but he obviously needs a sedan, and no matter how fast a vette is it will never be a sensible car for a family man unless he can afford two cars.

Also the Srt4 is a great car also, as most people know in this forum since I got into many arguments over it but is also tru that its more of a rough diamond that needs some upgrades (most factory offered) to become trully great. On the other hand the EVO comes out of the box more complete.

As far as street racing goes I actually happen to think that the evo is a perfect car for that. Why? Because most street races are ~1/8 of a mile and the evo is a perfect car for that caused due to sheer traction of the line. Unfortunatelly for high perf cars a full 1/4 mile will take you into the 100+MPH range which is very unsafe on the streets.


Also I'm an avid autocrosser so the evos handling is very important to me. Perhaps Steiner could check his local SCCA chapter for local events. I higly recomend it. Its a great atmosphere with many helpful people, its cheap, its legal (you even meet many cops there racing themselves), and most of all its fun. :)

That was not my only criteria. So as far as the 1/4 goes, it doesn't. I think the Evo would be quicker in the 1/4 mile stock than a stage 2 SRT-4 anyways. I've seen a bone stock RS on 91 octane do a 13.1. It would take a good driver, a good track, and slicks to do that in my SRT-4.

That's all I wanted to know, thanks for you info cause I'm in the car market again. I will be selling the Mach 1 around July. And I want to try something different this time. All I have ever has was RWD cars for the 1/4 mile fun. Just wanted to see what you though. I will say again, you have and have had two nice cars that I've looked at often on the dealership floor.

Now you are going to teach me about cars, right? Let's mack one thing clear, as it's been stated before, Any car can be faster with more money. However, I'm not make that point nor care about that. He had a modified car and got a new car. What is better to him in street racing and why? I know how I feel and you, but he own these cars so I want to hear this for his point of view. Speed wise , Money wise, and Everyday driver wise.

This is to TatII

your right about me not reading right part. i didn't understand what you were implying at first. but now that you've got it more clear to me. i see that your not turning this into a SRT4 vs evo thread. so thats cool. but like steiner said, the EVO is a much more complete car.

the EVO is a much more complete car.
I second that, understanding is a great thing.

Thanks for all the compliments guys. It helps to fight to off the buyer's remorse. Right now I'm still breaking in the car. I'm not supposed to go over 5K RPM's. It's painfull...but only 450 miles to go.

i hate you. . .

me too, but if you ever want to race them i'll drive whichever one you dont' feel like driving!

Thanks for all the compliments guys. It helps to fight to off the buyer's remorse. Right now I'm still breaking in the car. I'm not supposed to go over 5K RPM's. It's painfull...but only 450 miles to go.
Drive more!!!!!! :evillol:

Burn outs make the Odometer go faster, and you don't actually have to go anyplace.

Burn outs make the Odometer go faster, and you don't actually have to go anyplace.


:lol:

{Steiner runs out to car}

:lol:

{Steiner runs out to car}
Get video!!!!!!!!

AWD burnouts? haha.

Drive more!!!!!! :evillol:

No kidding! I put over 250 miles on my truck the day I bought it :) My break-in was done in about three days LOL

"i have 500hp i have 500hp i have 500hp"
STFU i have 160 BEYOTCH....
Ill trade you. My Truck + Half Eaten Burrito + hell of alot cheaper insurance for your Evo...seems fair to me...

"i have 500hp i have 500hp i have 500hp"
STFU i have 160 BEYOTCH....
Ill trade you. My Truck + Half Eaten Burrito + hell of alot cheaper insurance for your Evo...seems fair to me...

Is there's no Chulula sauce on the burrito FUGGEDABOUDIT?
:disappoin

Damn... well i tried. Edmunds on your car 30,000+ Edmunds on my truck 8,100....still seems fair to me...
PS
I like street races with turns, but i also live in a county where there are pretty much rural 4 lane roads....and they are empty as a mofo after 12:30... and cops are scarce out there because they are looking for parties and idiors drag raing down the main street where there are lots of places for cops to hide. i think cops are paid by commision becuase they only hang out where they can catch alot of people speeding. instead of the places where people are known to speed and where it is alot more dangerous to speed. 90mph down a dead 4/6 lane road isnt as bad as 90mph down a 2 lane road that isnt residential but rural with alot of residential areas branched off of it. but the stupid will be punished and the cops will be paid and i will race where i wont get caught...i need to buy me a little RWD track car to screw around with...its scary taking this turck much over 85....especially if yo uwant to do iny sort of direction change at all. but they is what you give up to have a lifted truck with larger tires. i am thinking of going with a larger sport tire instead of AT because i will ge the same look (minus the tread pattern) but i will get a stiffer side wall and better traction...

^^^^^you wanna run em??

http://asmalltownautosales.com/inventory_8.html

im lookin to buy a new srt-4 this summer.. the only thing holdin me back is if my insurance skyrockets. then ill probably get a spec-v.

It most likely wont go up that high if you have a clean record.

Traden in meh TC tomorrow for either a Spec-v (first choice) wrx, or srt-4 weeeeeeeeeeee