This isnt my car, but my friends old 1995 turbo maxima that he just recently sold. Heres a video of him racing a lightly modded 03 cobra (intake was his only mod I think). Hes running a T3/T4 with the setup in this video. Best 1/4 mile run with his T3/T4 and nitrous was a 12.7 @ 118. Not sure what he runs without the bottle, but I do know he put down ~390 whp with just the turbo. This run was without the bottle. Anyways, enjoy!

Maxima vs 03 cobra (http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll/c/content/f/viewproperty/contentclass/FILE/contentid/ZZZZZZPZ/propertyname/File/ssid/0o9qyCUh4dvudzkHUh37DSRUiAw*QfMkC/~/hlh0501_vs_modd_03_sc_cobra.wmv)

He did eventually upgrade his turbo and put down 538 whp, 603 wtq and ran a 11.9 @ 125.

:eek: wow that is one bad nissan not to mention the cobra was modded....... nothing much more to say

yeah, hal's the man. i have a longer vid of him racing a few cars one being a very fast DSM that he puts the whoopin' on. that's one bad-ass maxima, a true testament to what the VQ can do.

Nice, pretty fast for a grocery getter :)

Maybe some of you guys can help me out with a quick question. Why, if the car was putting down 538hp, would it only run a 11.9@125mph? That just seems extremely slow for that much horsepower. That trap speed should indicate a 10 second pass. My buddy with the turbo z71 is was running a 10.91@121, and that truck weighs ALOT. Is it the fact that it's front wheel drive? Just curious because I would think it would be a fairly light car(not sure), and with that kind of horsepower it should be running alot faster. Maybe it was on street tires?
I'm also curious about the size shot he was running to get the 12.7@118. He was making 390whp with just the turbo, then nitrous on top of that and only getting a high 12 pass?
Again, I don't know much about the front wheel drive imports, so I'm probably missing something. That's still a fast car, no doubt. It's just that if it were me, I would have hoped for better times with that kind of power. Hell, I'm only making around 400-420whp, and I weighed in at 4400lbs.
Thanks for the info, guys.

It's probably a combination of things: street tires, FWD (no traction), and maybe bad driver. What were his 60ft times? Probably above 2.0 s, right?

I don't hear the 03 cobra whining. :(

If thats a cobra that maxima is fast. If its a GT its still pretty fast...if its a v6 its stock :grinno: Why did he sell it?

nice vid, now I wanna see some vids of your Contour ;)

most imports trap at redicously high speeds and runs relatively low E.T. this goes for RWD imports as well.

as said earlier, even a AWD EVO that runs a mid 12 will trap around 114mph.

most 12 second 240's trap close to 120mph. we don't have alot of low end tq, so we lose out down low, and we make up time by having very good top end. thats also why i don't drag as much.

since most v8's runs such low E.T. with much lower trap speeds then imports, i have a much better chance on the highway where top end matters. hehe :evillol: i know that for a v8, with gears, suspension and tires can get into the high 12's with a 102mph trap speed. i shoudl be trapping close to that, but i'll be lucky if i run a high 13. on the street from a dig, he'll eat me up, but on the highway it would be very very close.

I don't know about that 102mph trap...I trapped 101mph running 14.2. I probably could have been in the 13s with that pass.

Yeah, usually takes most rwd vehicle I see about 108mph to hit 12's. All depends on how well your suspension is setup tho. But I have noticed imports trapping a lot higher, fwd = no traction.

theres a guy in my class with a barracuda running 12.4@104mph.

uhhh. 104mph? stock LS1 fbodys run 13s@106mph. 12.4@104mph is crazy. Have you seen timeslips/him run?

it's soo dark...

i don't hear any turbo spool... odd.. or BOV.... well whatever.

Cool race... what you could see of it.

Or any mustang cobra supercharger whine...

werd... them things are loud even stock.

So um, do you know for a fact that these are the cars they're said to be?

yeah i coudlnt hear the Mustang whine or the turbo n bov. well good video.

Sounded like they were just cruising to me. :dunno:

But hey, if the video's real, then its real. Nobody can take that fact away.

Your trap speed will suffer with a good launch. Usually the better your 60ft time, the worse your trap speed ends up being. If you spin a lot, the trap speed will be higher.

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Your trap speed will suffer with a good launch. Usually the better your 60ft time, the worse your trap speed ends up being. If you spin a lot, the trap speed will be higher.

I know that all too well. My 60ft on my 12.54 run was in the 1.7? range, and I went down from the usual 106mph trap to a 105mph trap.

I hate having a low trap speed. Everyone is confused as hell when I show them my time slips. The last stock fbody I raced went mid 13s at 106mph. He said something along the lines of "Man, alittle farther and I would have got you". I just replied, "yeah, a little farther and we wouldn't have been on the track." :icon16: We had alittle fun run on the highway going home. I'm no match for a high end race with an ls1. These things are top end beasts!!!!

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Sure, sure, lets all hate on the turbo maxima :rolleyes:

Harold, goes for the whole sleeper look. Im not sure what model bov hes running but its very quiet. It releases boost, thats it. Its not made for the whole psssst sound. Harold has since sold the maxima and is in the process of building a 1000 whp turbo Lexus SC300. Should be pretty wicked.

btw, heres the video of his 12.7 @ 118 pass on his $25 all season tires lol. 12.7 @ 118 (http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll/c/content/f/viewproperty/contentclass/FILE/contentid/ZZZZZZPY/propertyname/File/ssid/61MRIZL22BD90GIXOOeoFQRUiAw*QzPkC/~/HlH_12s_119mph.wmv)

Heres a picture of his bov.
http://www.maxima.dynomagic.com/images/HlH/HLH%20TIAL%20NX.jpg

FWD is VERY traction limited with any means of forced induction. 1st and 2nd gear are pretty much worthless in my car with even 4 psi. As soon as full boost kicks in at about 4000, i have wheel spin all the way up to redline. For about a year now, the best 1/4 mile time by a contour was 13.4 @ 101 and it was naturally aspirated. Even the guys putting down 350 whp with turbo's could barely break into the 13s because of traction.

TatII, i always heard/read that 240s suffered up top, at least stock...the low end was rather good, the ka24 peaked out right in the middle of the RPM band. now i would imagine after a turbo it would do rather nicely up top...

yeah i have videos of a nissan max killing a cobra theyre relly quick my bro has a 1997 max stock 5 speed with intake and hes killing mustang gt' s

yeah i have videos of a nissan max killing a cobra theyre relly quick my bro has a 1997 max stock 5 speed with intake and hes killing mustang gt' s

'94 Mustang GTs?

not sure about those i think its like 2000's ?

haha, thanks Type S. You saved me some typing. Okay, maybe the maxima is what it says it is. But an 03/04 cobra has LOUDDD supercharger whine. And I don't hear that on this one. Not to mention runs mid 12s stock. So he wouldn't have beat him like that. I'll believe it's a 99 or 2001 anyday, though.

its a 1997 nissan max with 300zx pistons

Wtf?

its a 1997 nissan max with 300zx pistons

And the reason for you saying this is...?

240s do suffer up top due to the cams. After about 5500rpm, power falls off. And in third gear, the 240 falls flat on its face stock. This is just lack of HP. With 200whp, third becomes a lot more active. IDK about Tats car, but mine will pull pretty hard all the way to about 90-100mph.

240s too have traction issues. LSD helps a lot, but we still have wheelspin like a mother. Have any of you FWD guys tried slicks or anything.

'94 Mustang GTs?

79 mustang GTs? :iceslolan

yeah i have videos of a nissan max killing a cobra theyre relly quick my bro has a 1997 max stock 5 speed with intake and hes killing mustang gt' s
i used to have a 4th gen max. Hangin' with, even occasionally edging out GT's; maybe, but killing 'em is kinda unlikely especially one made after 1999, i'm not sure why but they got a good deal faster.

haha, thanks Type S. You saved me some typing. Okay, maybe the maxima is what it says it is. But an 03/04 cobra has LOUDDD supercharger whine. And I don't hear that on this one. Not to mention runs mid 12s stock. So he wouldn't have beat him like that. I'll believe it's a 99 or 2001 anyday, though.


if that max is trappin at 118mph why not? that trap speed is 6mph higher then a 405hp Z06 vette. how is a stock super charged cobra even goin to compete with it up top? remember this video was from a roll. not a stop.

i used to have a 4th gen max. Hangin' with, even occasionally edging out GT's; maybe, but killing 'em is kinda unlikely especially one made after 1999, i'm not sure why but they got a good deal faster.
I agree, it's a drivers race between a 4th gen maxima and a 94-98 stang GT, but the 99 through 04 GTs? forget it. :disappoin

im not sure? but the mustang was automatic

any reason why only max owners are backing the Maximas?

any reason why only max owners are backing the Maximas?
cuz everyon else that talks about them is just talking out their asses. don't talk about the VQ til you've driven one, it's a surprisingly potent little beast.

Which mustang was automatic? If you're saying the one in the video is automatic then it's definitely not a cobra..they only made cobras in a 6 speed.

I'll back the maxima.

cuz everyon else that talks about them is just talking out their asses. don't talk about the VQ til you've driven one, it's a surprisingly potent little beast.
Thats what Civic owners said about VTEC.

I'll back the maxima.
Interesting. Maxima=Nissan......This coming from "nissanfanatic"
By gosh Watson i think you've got it.

This isnt my car, but my friends old 1995 turbo maxima that he just recently sold. Heres a video of him racing a lightly modded 03 cobra (intake was his only mod I think). Hes running a T3/T4 with the setup in this video. Best 1/4 mile run with his T3/T4 and nitrous was a 12.7 @ 118. Not sure what he runs without the bottle, but I do know he put down ~390 whp with just the turbo. This run was without the bottle. Anyways, enjoy!

Maxima vs 03 cobra (http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll/c/content/f/viewproperty/contentclass/FILE/contentid/ZZZZZZPZ/propertyname/File/ssid/0o9qyCUh4dvudzkHUh37DSRUiAw*QfMkC/~/hlh0501_vs_modd_03_sc_cobra.wmv)

He did eventually upgrade his turbo and put down 538 whp, 603 wtq and ran a 11.9 @ 125.

Nice Vid, The Cobra is not Turbo Charged though it is Super Charged and uses a Ken Bell Super Charger. With a pully change this car will run high 12 second 1/4 mile times all day long and with very little work can easly make it into the 11 second range.

Thats what Civic owners said about VTEC.


Interesting. Maxima=Nissan......This coming from "nissanfanatic"
By gosh Watson i think you've got it.
if that's your attituted towards vtec then you've never driven a fast vtec car either. i know at least 4 kids with civics that'll put my car and many others to shame, including GT mustangs.

I dont' see why you feel that nissan enthusiasts sticking up for a nissan car strikes you as strange or biased. who is gonna be able to tell how capable the car is better than someone who actually owns or has owned one, or in my case, 4. what do you want us nissan guys to do, sit by and watch? we're in there doin' our thing too, this thread's just trying to show it. quit hatin', you're the only one in here talkin shit about either car. Dampachi's obviously a little speculative, Redneck too maybe, but they're not being all uppity about it.

Interesting. Maxima=Nissan......This coming from "nissanfanatic"
By gosh Watson i think you've got it.

You talk too much. And listen too little. Maybe thats why you're a salesman.

ASTAutoSales=Salesman Wanna be sterotypical?

The cobra does not use a kenne bell supercharger. It uses an eaton M112 supercharger which is a more efficient version of the M90/MP90s. The pulley upgrade on the 03/04 cobra will infact make it an 11 second car. It's a 12 second car stock. And, my 'final word' on this race is that it appears to be a 2001 cobra racing from about a 4th gear roll. My reasoning: No supercharger whine, which...if you've ever seen an 03/04 cobra in action..you'd know was quite loud. And I'm assuming it's a 4th gear roll due to the lack of shifting involved. I rule out it being automatic due to the fact that there is no automatic cobra.

Edit: And I ruled out the 99 cobra because it appears that the headlights are 'fogged'. Which they did not start putting on mustangs until 2000. And since there was no 2000 cobra...and I think this one is N/A...it must be a 2001.

i guess no body ever read what i had to say. i said that how it not believable for a turbo max that traps at 118mph to pull on a super charged mustang from a 4th gear roll? again, a trap speed of 118mph is 6mph higher then a Z06 vette, and a Z06 will beat a supercharged stang.

haha..sorry TatII I guess I overlooked what you said...but yeah..that could be it.

remember E.T means almost nothing when your racing from a high speed roll. its the trap speed that matters most, i know a guy that runs a 12.4 but only traps at 104mph, he would rape me off the line, but on the highway i should be able to hang with him.

i know a guy that runs a 12.4 but only traps at 104mph, he would rape me off the line, but on the highway i should be able to hang with him.
trap speeds are tricky. look at the new subaru forester XT, it runs a 13.8 sec 1/4 mile but traps only at 97 mph. it must take off like a bat out of hell, and then run out of juice. i just barely break into 14's and trap at ~94 mph, and i have a friend with a civic with an engine swap that gets the same trap speed as me but runs the 1/4 about a half second faster. it's hard to tell a car's capabilities just by seeing what it traps.


You talk too much. And listen too little. Maybe thats why you're a salesman :lol2: :cwm27:

trap speeds are tricky. look at the new subaru forester XT, it runs a 13.8 sec 1/4 mile but traps only at 97 mph. it must take off like a bat out of hell, and then run out of juice. i just barely break into 14's and trap at ~94 mph, and i have a friend with a civic with an engine swap that gets the same trap speed as me but runs the 1/4 about a half second faster. it's hard to tell a car's capabilities just by seeing what it traps.


:lol2: :cwm27:

usually a good E.T is related to how well the car takes off from the starting line, however the trap speed is always the best indicator of horsepower. that makes makes around 500hp with a 118mph should be around right. a XT traps at 97mph but makes 250hp, that sounds about right, the only difference is how hard ti takes off. a wrx traps at 93mph with 225hp, a rsx type S traps the same, with 200hp. you see where i'm getting at? the only reason why the WRX would rape the rsx type S is becasue of its take off compared to the RSX's fwd take off. just by lookin at the E.T you would think the WRX has alot more hp, but when you look at the trap speeds, they indeed both put down very similar power. a RSX type S usually dyno's mid 160whp, a WRX usually dynos 170ish whp.

Something I noticed is you pretty much never get your best MPH and your best 1/4 mile time in the same run. I've seen higher mphs when people spin through the 60ft. Of course that ends up in a shitty 1/4 mile..

i know, which is kinda wierd.

Trap Speed = True potential of the car
Quarter Mile Time = How well you ran it

After reading this post I just had to register and say somthing. The cobra is a great car and can be very very very, castrate you fast with a few mods, and a turbo VQ is nothing to take lightly. A boosted VQ30DE (1995-1999 maxima) put down about 320-400 WHP (8-12psi) depending on how its tuned and setup and can take 15psi in stock condition, a VQ30DE has been taken all the way to 612whp on stock internals. Now this being said its FWD and sucks for traction. The cobra has 390/390 at the crank IIRC and weights in at 3600lbs. Its definatly possible and even likely the cobra would take the maxima out of the hole due to RWD traction. If the maxima got a decent launch it would destroy a cobra, just because its over 650lbs lighter!!. Im not puting the cobra down, i want one, ill sell my children for one but the maxima is definatly able to put one in its place with propper mods....


oh ya a NA 2002 with cams, and intake/exhaust could also do that since it ran 12.859 with only 263 whp and thats 300+lbs heavyer that a 1995-1999.


ok thats enough bench racing for one day :)

most imports trap at redicously high speeds and runs relatively low E.T. this goes for RWD imports as well.

as said earlier, even a AWD EVO that runs a mid 12 will trap around 114mph.

most 12 second 240's trap close to 120mph. we don't have alot of low end tq, so we lose out down low, and we make up time by having very good top end. thats also why i don't drag as much.

actually, if i had a limited slip in mine with stock turbo it would do around a 12.8-12.9 with street tires at around 107mph. i know of a few evos running 12's that are in the low 100's... that 114 sounds like a real low 12.

imports don't launch as well because of the weight, but if you work hard enough and do the right mods you can get it to launch a hell of a lot better. derek greaser and his 240 went a 12.2 at i believe a 110mph trap (stock turbo).

local colt trapped 120mph and did a 12.0. once the track opens up (waiting!) im looking to dip into 11's with a 124mph trap. as long as you launch good and have a lsd or posi and good tires it shouldn't be a prob...


anyways, :biggrin:

Signal748 put it the best.

I did some trial and error on GT3 considering its pretty realistic. I used IIRC a skyline. I ran it starting in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. MPH changed 1mph and ET changed 2.5seconds.

I think launching in 2nd gear for 240s is a good idea. If you watch Duy's 10.8 vs 10.9 vid(its in the ultimate ka turbo video) it looks like he launches in second gear. I think he sticks it pretty good there. He does roast the tires pretty good though.

Races from a roll are pretty much purely a comptetition of horsepower to weight and driver skill.