its actually quite amazing how Skylines seem to be wanted by so many people in the states,


i've imported 6 R32 GTR's from Japan in the last year of varying degrees of power and although they are quick, they are quite expensive to repair and very thirsty also on fuel,

Also, there is a big difference in quality depending on how much you are prepared to pay,

the cheapest R32 Gtr's are around 550,000 yen to 700,000 yen- average milleage under 140,000 km, while the ones in absolute immaculate condition are well over a million yen,and have much lower mileage,

it is also extremely easy to import into UK for any car over 10 years old- doesnt matter what country its from, lhd or rhd it doesnt matter,
the cheapest skyline i have had on the road cost me only £4000 (roughly $7000 i guess) and it was an absolute beauty,

you can also reduce the taxes and vat paid to uk customs by a lot-which makes a big difference!

it seems baffling why the states has such rigorous laws on importing skylines, when some of the usa's own manufactured cars probably arent even as good as the skylines in Japan are, and a lot usa cars are gas guzzlers, while the skyline is tame in comparison, only a 2.6 litre!

my favourite car, purely for value for money however, are Impreza's,

2 Litre Turbo's with 4WD, absolutey immense engine growling, they are absolute peanuts! only £2000 on the road in the UK, and most come with aftermarket parts such as Stainless Steel Exhausts, uprated Ecu's, suspension etc

Come to the UK for a visit if you want bargain performance!

Well... It is the rarity factor. I've only seen one Skyline and it was in Canada. I've never seen one in the US... People want rare cars, and a Skyline is a high performing machine. Same reason why I am so thirsty for Zeds...

Even though they're not too practical, they are fast, and they are fun... Who cares if they're insanely difficult to work on, who cares if you run it on anything less than 93octane it will destroy itself, who cares if a new Non-Turbo engine for it costs $2,000...

Its an amazing car, and its worth the headaches.

That is why the US public is so over taken by Skyline... BNR32 is the way Im going, just have to wait a few years.

-Wes

you always want what you cant have

you always want what you cant have

i guess thats why i want hilary duff so bad :D.

I think that at least 50% of it is because of 2 Fast 2 Furious. It's one of the most overrated cars in the world, in my opinion (not that I've ever driven one, or probably ever will). I'd much rather have an STi Ver. 5 coupe or Evo 4.

I It's one of the most overrated cars in the world, in my opinion (not that I've ever driven one, or probably ever will).
Sounds like Skyline Envy to me. They are over rated only in the eyes of those who know nothing about them.

You can't have it....so dis it.

Jeez, excuse me for having an opinion. I know how well it performs, but I just don't like the car. It looks bigger than it is, it weighs considerably more than most sports cars (especially the R34 GT-R), and I'm not very fond of the styling. If I were to import a car from Japan, I'd rather have an STi Ver. V or Ver. VI over a Skyline GT-R any day.

Jeez, excuse me for having an opinion. I know how well it performs, but I just don't like the car. It looks bigger than it is, it weighs considerably more than most sports cars (especially the R34 GT-R), and I'm not very fond of the styling. If I were to import a car from Japan, I'd rather have an STi Ver. V or Ver. VI over a Skyline GT-R any day.


go ahead and take an STi. because, truth be told, the GT-R is a better performing car. it can whip the wrx's ass on the track (despite its weight difference). it still has more power. ive heard that the WRX transmission has a TERRIBLE power loss problem from the crank to the wheels. so in reality, your 300 hp car is really only getting around 260 or so to the wheels. GT-R's have a much better tranny, more displacement, equipped with one of the most advanced AWD systems the world has seen, and all wheel turning. can you get better than that? yes. the stock block can handle well over 600 horses. theres a reason the GT-R dominated the JGTC and other competitions and left the subarus in the dust.

Your downing high weight sports cars?

Supra... 300ZedX... VR-4... Skyline... They all weigh in the same realm dude.

And I would pair any of those four up against an EVO, or STi any day, knowing I would win.

-Wes

Frankly its just all those damn ricers and 2F2F. Ive been around the R33 so long I just treat it as a normal car while other people drool over it.

I'd put them against an STi, but I wouldn't under-estimate the EVO. Don't get me wrong, I love/prefer Skylines, but the EVO's my second choice. I'm not saying it's great, but the EVO was starting to out win the Skyline on Lap Attack times before the Skyline was discontinued.

The STi is a car the Japanese tuners don't even care for, that should tell you something about it's ability.

Driving a Skyline has a feel that you get hooked on. And they have a presence that makes everyone turn their head. Even people who've had them for years can't help but to look when one goes by. It's an addiction really.

4 dr cars are for grocery gittin'

its pretty funny ~

Story for ya he just got done tuning it up an dyno'n it. ok he backs it out im watchn him back up he goes out I tell him go out the main road entrance so he exits that way he just barely make the curb he goes pulls up to light then I see this civic black gay rims,parkbench wing etc. The civic goes he see's my friends R33 "SLAMS" on the breaks almost getting into a 3 car accident the guy opens his window and just stares... I just laughed ~ Go figure ricers.....

Frankly its just all those damn ricers and 2F2F. Ive been around the R33 so long I just treat it as a normal car while other people drool over it.


Ha ha...........This is true :iceslolan .........when I went home to see my parents and all my friends saw pics of my R33 they were all drooling....they were like :eek: "ohhhh man, that car is @#$ing awsome...." :lol2: But you know what, to me it's nothing special, I just drive it everyday. Yeah It's a great car, but the damn ricers gotta calm down.........And it's true, you always want what you can't have :nono: .

Its true, people want what they cant have. Its like how in Japan they want Stangs. Its because they cant have them.

Yea I thought that 'People want what they cant have' thing was true...

So I walked up to most beautiful woman I saw on the street... And said 'YOU CANT HAVE ME!'

... I dont think she cared much :lol:




That was a joke by the way... Although it would be funny. :p

-Wes

hahahaha


Im screwd......

I'm seriously thinkn about moving to Nz or Japan after this.....

www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=358866
read last post as well.

Its true, people want what they cant have. Its like how in Japan they want Stangs. Its because they cant have them.


I was told they had mustangs in Japan. Someone clear me up on this.

I was told they had mustangs in Japan. Someone clear me up on this.

They do have Mustangs in Japan. They are just alot harder to "HAVE", like Skylines in America :evillol: . See....while we drool over Japanese spec cars..........alot of Japanese are drooling over the cars we take for granted. They want American-spec. :smokin: That's a big thing here, believe it or not, some Japanese spend thousands of dollars to convert their cars to American Spec............lol.........I think it's funny :lol: .

why didn't anyone tell me this earlier!!! All I have to do is buy a Mustang and then find someone in Japan to trade me their Skyline! Freakin' sweet!!!

... i blame GT3.. and ff movies...

Your downing high weight sports cars?

Supra... 300ZedX... VR-4... Skyline... They all weigh in the same realm dude.

And I would pair any of those four up against an EVO, or STi any day, knowing I would win.

-Wes

Here-here, Wes! I vote for the heavy GT cars too!

They do have Mustangs in Japan. They are just alot harder to "HAVE", like Skylines in America :evillol: . See....while we drool over Japanese spec cars..........alot of Japanese are drooling over the cars we take for granted. They want American-spec. :smokin: That's a big thing here, believe it or not, some Japanese spend thousands of dollars to convert their cars to American Spec............lol.........I think it's funny :lol: .

Are you serious. You got to be kidding me. Tell me more. And I bet they say the same about us wanting their cars. I thought Ford produced a model of the mustang RHD for the JDM market. So they have to import them? I also was told that Dodge produced a RHD JDM model of the Viper also. Is that true? I know Australia and the U.K. like to import them but I thought japan had them already.

I don't know where the hell in my post I said I'd rather have an STi because it out-performs the GT-R. I know the GT-R will smoke the STi in almost any situation. I'd still rather have the STi, because it's better-looking, more practical, cheaper, and my dream car. I'm not saying that heavy GT cars can't perform well either; I just don't like the idea of driving a performance car that weighs as much as my parents' Lexus. I'll take an FD3S or GC8 any day.

I just don't see what's so special about the GT-R. Sure, the performance is excellent, but it's no better than a Corvette Z06, Porsche 911 GT3, Honda NSX Type S Zero, or Dodge Viper SRT-10. Those cars don't get nearly as much attention as the GT-R does, except by people who actually understand what all of those cars are capable of. In fact, a lot of the top racers in Japan absolutely love the Corvette, and its greatly criticized yet amazingly effective "old-school technology". The reason the GT-R gets so much more attention in America is because of the things that most Americans take 90% of their knowledge from: video games, magazines, and movies. The GT-R has been purposely hyped up in America to inflate the tuner market and get kids to pump their money into it.

Again, it's a great car, but it is by no means God's gift to the automotive world. It's just another stellar performance car from the land of the rising sun, and it's not my cup of tea. Sorry if anyone has a problem with that.

I don't know where the hell in my post I said I'd rather have an STi because it out-performs the GT-R. I know the GT-R will smoke the STi in almost any situation. I'd still rather have the STi, because it's better-looking, more practical, cheaper, and my dream car. I'm not saying that heavy GT cars can't perform well either; I just don't like the idea of driving a performance car that weighs as much as my parents' Lexus. I'll take an FD3S or GC8 any day.

I just don't see what's so special about the GT-R. Sure, the performance is excellent, but it's no better than a Corvette Z06, Porsche 911 GT3, Honda NSX Type S Zero, or Dodge Viper SRT-10. Those cars don't get nearly as much attention as the GT-R does, except by people who actually understand what all of those cars are capable of. In fact, a lot of the top racers in Japan absolutely love the Corvette, and its greatly criticized yet amazingly effective "old-school technology". The reason the GT-R gets so much more attention in America is because of the things that most Americans take 90% of their knowledge from: video games, magazines, and movies. The GT-R has been purposely hyped up in America to inflate the tuner market and get kids to pump their money into it.

Again, it's a great car, but it is by no means God's gift to the automotive world. It's just another stellar performance car from the land of the rising sun, and it's not my cup of tea. Sorry if anyone has a problem with that.


you do know that the GT-R will kill any of those cars you listed right? the AWD already has the car from a dig, and i can guarentee the GT-R out performs any of those in the twisties. OH! you do know that the STi only weighs in about 100 pounds lighter than the GT-R right?

2005 Subaru WRX STi curb weight : 3298

the GT-R weighs in just a shade under 3400 for the r34, and the r32's are even lighter than your STi.

get over it dude. sports cars (AND I MEAN SPORTS CARS, not sport compacts) are ment to be big. thats why the vr4 is huge, the skylines a monster, corvette, viper, and NSX are all large and heavy cars. get over it dude.

Can you not read? I said numerous times that I am -well aware- that the Skyline GT-R will smoke the STi. And I'm not talking about the 2005 STi, I'm talking about the mid-90's GC8 coupe, which weighed in at just under 3000 lbs. And no, sports cars are not meant to be big; the traditional sports car was way smaller than anything else on the road. They became that way because of modern demands for technology and safety. But even with those demands, cars like the Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 perform just as well, if not better than, the R34 GT-R, while weighing four hundred pounds less.

For the last time, I am well aware of the GT-R's performance capabilities, and I respect them. I just don't like the car, and I believe that it is very overhyped. That's my opinion, and an opinion can't be proven or disproven, so I'm not coming in here trying to prove anything. I'm just stating my opinion. :)

I just don't see what's so special about the GT-R. Sure, the performance is excellent, but it's no better than a Corvette Z06, Porsche 911 GT3, Honda NSX Type S Zero, or Dodge Viper SRT-10.
You are comparing apples and oranges here. The GTR is not anything LIKE any of those cars. It is a totally different class of car.

Tell me how it's so different. What does the GT-R have that those cars don't? And please don't tell me it performs better; those cars are all on par with the GT-R for track use (although with the exception of the Corvette Z06, they are considerably more expensive).

Tell me how it's so different. What does the GT-R have that those cars don't?

Simply put, part time AWD.

Now, take a look at what cars you've got to come up with to compare with a GTR performance wise.
Corvette Z06 : V8 - 7L
Porsche 911 GT3 : Flat 6 - 3.6L
Honda NSX Type S Zero : V6 - 3.2L
Dodge Viper SRT-10 : V10 - 8.3L

All these to compare against an inline 6 2.6L? The Honda NSX is the only comparison that really works, it's Honda's only close rival to the GTR. And it does not have any of the great handling characteristics of a GTR.
As far as the other comparisons, either you're over-hyping the GTR trying to compare it so cars that should be outperforming it. Or the GTR really is that good that you have to compare it to those cars.

Lastly, all those cars have been in the JGTC at some point or another (the Honda NSX obviously a lot). And they have not done well at all against the GTR.

The Attesa system is what were talking about ~

http://www.j-garage.com/2101.htm
http://www.j-garage.com/2110.htm

Hell, the JGTC Skylines lack their ATTESSA, HICAS, and their RB motor... And they still kill everything, its funny to me.

STi is a good car... But I seriously would love to see it match up against Zed32, BNR, VR-4, JZA80... Hell, even an FD3S would give it a run for its money.

And I agree, there are heavy sports cars, and their are lighter less powered sports cars.

I would much rather get a heavy sports car, as opposed to an STi... They just dont interest me all that much.

-Wes

Hell, the JGTC Skylines lack their... RB motor...

The JGTC GTRs had the RBs until 2002. In the second half of the 2002 season, the two Nismo GTRs ran the VQ30DETT to get the cars tuned in for the 2003 season. The other GTRs finished the 2002 season with the RBs.
The 2003 season was the only year all the GTRs ran the VQ, and the final year of the GTRs in JGTC.

I would put a Skyline GT-R in the same performance bracket as a Corvette Z06 (by the way, I'm talking about the 2004 Z06 with the 5.7L LS6 - the 2006 Z06 isn't out yet). It also sells for about the same price.

However, I thought about it some more, and you are right: while their performance may be similar, in terms of design philosophy and execution, the GT-R and the Z06 are completely different machines. One uses an ultra-modern engine with two turbochargers; the other uses a tried-and-true, small-block, OHV V8. One uses a state-of-the-art suspension with fully active variable AWD; the other uses a highly-advanced leaf-spring system and good ol' front-engine, rear-wheel-drive. One uses every electronical nanny and active control system on the planet to offer razor-sharp, world-class performance; the other uses mountain-flattening torque, perfect balance, and insurmountable grip to put up fast times.

The GT-R takes the best of the best technologies and puts it all into one car. The Corvette takes a classic design and components and refines them to the point that they evolve into something completely new and different. They are both phenomenal cars, and both well-deserving of all the praise put upon them.

I would put a Skyline GT-R in the same performance bracket as a Corvette Z06 (by the way, I'm talking about the 2004 Z06 with the 5.7L LS6 - the 2006 Z06 isn't out yet). It also sells for about the same price.

However, I thought about it some more, and you are right: while their performance may be similar, in terms of design philosophy and execution, the GT-R and the Z06 are completely different machines. One uses an ultra-modern engine with two turbochargers; the other uses a tried-and-true, small-block, OHV V8. One uses a state-of-the-art suspension with fully active variable AWD; the other uses a highly-advanced leaf-spring system and good ol' front-engine, rear-wheel-drive. One uses every electronical nanny and active control system on the planet to offer razor-sharp, world-class performance; the other uses mountain-flattening torque, perfect balance, and insurmountable grip to put up fast times.

The GT-R takes the best of the best technologies and puts it all into one car. The Corvette takes a classic design and components and refines them to the point that they evolve into something completely new and different. They are both phenomenal cars, and both well-deserving of all the praise put upon them.


agreed. i mean when it boils down to it, its all about preference. the americans take large engines with tried and true technologies that only have minor improvements since their inception, and the japanes take small engines and cram it with the latest and greatest technologies they can find. they could go with large engines with huge displacement, but they want simplicity in their cars, but with all the power. they want the speed, without the weight.

they (the japanese) could go with large engines with huge displacement, but they want simplicity in their cars, but with all the power. they want the speed, without the weight.

It's actually the opposite; the Corvette is the more simple car, and it's got a lot less weight. But yeah, you get the idea.

I think we all get the idea in this debate...

This was a valid arguement, and it proves that different people have different opinions on what a great performance car should be.

My personal preference... 300ZedXish :lol:

But you guys get the idea...

-Wes

They do have Mustangs in Japan. They are just alot harder to "HAVE", like Skylines in America . See....while we drool over Japanese spec cars..........alot of Japanese are drooling over the cars we take for granted. They want American-spec. That's a big thing here, believe it or not, some Japanese spend thousands of dollars to convert their cars to American Spec............lol.........I think it's funny .


Are you serious. You got to be kidding me. Tell me more. And I bet they say the same about us wanting their cars. I thought Ford produced a model of the mustang RHD for the JDM market. So they have to import them? I also was told that Dodge produced a RHD JDM model of the Viper also. Is that true? I know Australia and the U.K. like to import them but I thought japan had them already.

Can anyone tell me more on this? And we know there are cars in the states that can match the performance of the Skyline for much less money but do you think a Mustang or Camaro has the potential to match a Skyline?

The Mustang and the Camaro are both V8s. The GTR is a lowly inline 6. What the Nissan people have done with 6 cylinders buries the USDM people.

I don't think it really matters what kind of engine is under the hood. If Chevy wanted to, they could twin turbo the LS1 and have well over 400 horsepower, but there would be no point; all it would really do is kill the 30 mpg freeway and raise the price to about $35,000. They chose the N/A OHV V8 because it's tried-and-true, therefore making it cheap and reliable, it gets damn good gas mileage, and it fits the muscle car bill perfectly.

The Mustang and the Camaro are both V8s. The GTR is a lowly inline 6. What the Nissan people have done with 6 cylinders buries the USDM people.

Well where im from no car is stock :D

The Mustang and the Camaro are both V8s. The GTR is a lowly inline 6. What the Nissan people have done with 6 cylinders buries the USDM people.

Im guessing thats a no. You are right too. There have been some impressive things done with the smaller engines though. And about that Skyline and Corvette thing. The Skyline has the aid of technology, without the technology the car is nothing. You have to admit. It would kinda suck to build or own a car with a lot of electronic and other technical work put into the engine and chassis knowing that if it was taken away the car would be nothing with out it and there is another car that can achieve the same performance numbers with out it. Not speaking specificly of the Skyline and Corvette. Look at the Shelby Cobra and the NSX. They took the back to basics approach. They are pretty nice cars and imagine what they could do with technology.

But that's the thing; the fact that the Corvette does what it does with such old technology is what's so impressive to me. And consequently, using such old technology keeps both the price and the weight quite low. The Corvette tried to implement some new technology in the early 90's with the Corvette ZR-1, and what happened? It failed miserably, due to an $80,000+ price and shaky reliability. What they are using right now works, and it works well.

You think the new Corvette's are OLD technology? They are V8 monsters, but the technology is anything but stone-age.

The technology itself isn't old, but the basic design is. The Corvette has taken an old design and turned it into a low-priced powerhouse, and that's what I love about it.

Low priced??

Relatively speaking, of course. Besides the R34 GT-R, I can't think of another mass-produced car that offers that kind of performance for under $60,000. They regularly compete with Porsche 911s, NSXs, Vipers, and entry-level Ferraris, and they hold their own.

Relatively speaking, of course. Besides the R34 GT-R, I can't think of another mass-produced car that offers that kind of performance for under $60,000. They regularly compete with Porsche 911s, NSXs, Vipers, and entry-level Ferraris, and they hold their own.


but you do know that godzilla has killed 911's, NSX's, and Vipers since its inception, despite the cars obvious power differences? forget NSX's, 911's and vipers...the new GT-R is aiming to kill carerra GT's and Enzo's.

but you do know that godzilla has killed 911's, NSX's, and Vipers since its inception, despite the cars obvious power differences? forget NSX's, 911's and vipers...the new GT-R is aiming to kill carerra GT's and Enzo's.

lol an enzo and a GT I dont think so. but a 360 and maybe the 430. An enzo is insanly fast around the track and so is the GT there the best of the best.

Like I said, I'm sure the R34 GT-R can compete with low-level Ferraris, but I wouldn't put it up with the Enzo or even the F430. Now, the R35 GT-R may be a whole different story; we'll just have to wait until it comes out.

the gtr cant compete with shit... lol
in acceleration it can get like 13.2

a corvette can get 12.7 and is much cheaper

i love the skyline but i rather have a cheaper

and faster :thumbsup:

Like I said, I'm sure the R34 GT-R can compete with low-level Ferraris, but I wouldn't put it up with the Enzo or even the F430. Now, the R35 GT-R may be a whole different story; we'll just have to wait until it comes out.


ehh im getting sick of this r35 crap. theres no such thing, read the threads. infiniti gtr.

the gtr cant compete with shit... lol
in acceleration it can get like 13.2

a corvette can get 12.7 and is much cheaper

i love the skyline but i rather have a cheaper

and faster :thumbsup:

Well, yeah. There's not too much you can do at the dragstrip against a big V8 in a well-balanced chassis. The track is where it really counts, though, and they are pretty damn even there, for the most part.

ehh im getting sick of this r35 crap. theres no such thing, read the threads. infiniti gtr.

I know it will be called the Infiniti GT-R in America, but what about in Japan? They don't have Infiniti over there, as far as I know. Sorry, I'm not current on the issue, I'll go read the thread right now.

I know it will be called the Infiniti GT-R in America, but what about in Japan? They don't have Infiniti over there, as far as I know. Sorry, I'm not current on the issue, I'll go read the thread right now.
It will be a Nissan. There is no more Skyline GTR.

I know it will be called the Infiniti GT-R in America, but what about in Japan? They don't have Infiniti over there, as far as I know. Sorry, I'm not current on the issue, I'll go read the thread right now.

Actually it'll most likely be Infiniti GTR in Japan also. Nissan is taking the name Infiniti, which used to be only in the US, and is presently going global. The Infiniti name is supposed to arrive in Japan 'amazingly' right about when the GTR also debuts. Which, if it's going to be a world known performance car, it's got to have the same name everywhere.

Actually it'll most likely be Infiniti GTR in Japan also. Nissan is taking the name Infiniti, which used to be only in the US, and is presently going global. The Infiniti name is supposed to arrive in Japan 'amazingly' right about when the GTR also debuts. Which, if it's going to be a world known performance car, it's got to have the same name everywhere.


not to mention that "Infiniti GT-R" is already registered as a trademark here in the US, and in NZ. Im sure more places, but thats all I know for sure.

im pretty sure i have seen one in florida i was on my bus and i think i saw one r32 or it was a prelude with a r32 front bumper

skyline not a infiniti gtr

No... Infiniti GTR.

ya its infinity which is stupid but thats the way it was named.

you do know that the GT-R will kill any of those cars you listed right? the AWD already has the car from a dig, and i can guarentee the GT-R out performs any of those in the twisties.


You have to be on drugs or something claiming that a Skyline GTR can kick a Porsche GT3's ass! :disappoin