anyone in the US have a f20b DOHC installed in their 6th gen accord? I'm looking at swaps for my 99' lx, and don't want to do the usual h22a swap... trying for something more original.. is there any difference in body weight on the euro accord vs the USDM version? how strong is the f20b as for as boosting (I know the CR is 11:1), and N/A tuning purposes? thanks for the info..

no-one knows anything about the f20b?

i know my friend has it in his 95' accord, but other than the original facts, 2.0l 200hp@7200rpm, i really do not know anything about this motor, i will ask my friend and see what all he knows, i will try to get back to ya.

The F20B is a destroked H22A, so there will be no advantage through weight differences. The reason the F20B's rated at the same 200HP the H22A is rated at, is the higher compression pistons (11.0:1) and a better flowing intake manifold, to make up for the loss in displacement; yet still, torque is lost, so the H22A is still the better motor in the end. If you're considering boosting, the F20B is NOT the way to go, since the stock compression is so high.

Not to rain on your parade, but it'd be extremely smart to opt for an H22A over an F20B. The benefits of an H22A outweight those of an F20B by far.

Hope this helps.

yeah, my friend is considering selling his f20, for the JDM h22a (225hp) simply because there is alot more performance upgrades for the car, so if you wanna swap in an H series motor, do not go with the usdm h22, definatly go with the JDM h22a, and not the h22 that came in the bb4s, you want the bb6.

225HP??? since when? I could have sworn a stock H22a only puts out 210HP(crank) tops.. anyways, I'm looking for something a bit different from the ordinary H22/23 install.. F20B looked like a decent alternative.. DOHC, 2.0 litre putting out 200HP.. High compression ,yes.. but with some lower CR pistons, rods, and some valvework, I was looking to turbo it.. somewhere around 270-300HP. I'm just trying to find out some specifics about the block.. is it an open, or closed deck, how strong are the stock sleeves? how well does the head flow? any major issues other than the compression for boost purposes?

225HP??? since when? I could have sworn a stock H22a only puts out 210HP(crank) tops.. anyways, I'm looking for something a bit different from the ordinary H22/23 install.. F20B looked like a decent alternative.. DOHC, 2.0 litre putting out 200HP.. High compression ,yes.. but with some lower CR pistons, rods, and some valvework, I was looking to turbo it.. somewhere around 270-300HP. I'm just trying to find out some specifics about the block.. is it an open, or closed deck, how strong are the stock sleeves? how well does the head flow? any major issues other than the compression for boost purposes?

He must be talking about the JDM Type-S H22 (220hp). Anyway, since you're going to turbo the thing, I still don't understand why you're going F20B over H22A. The H22A is lower compression to begin with so its more friendly to boost. You'll also get more gains from boosting an H22A because of its higher displacement. The stock sleeves on the F20B/H22A are relatively weak by nature, so resleeving is almost essential for boosting more than like 12psi. As for whether it is closed or open deck. I would guess open, since the F20B was released the same generation as the 97-01 H22's, which were also open deck. The only closed deck h22's were 92-96. If you decide to go H22, you should try and find a 96 h22 (which might be a bit tough, since most jdm h22's for sale are 92-95). Since you won't have to convert the obd, and you'll have the added bonus of a closed deck.

Good luck to you, and keep us posted on your project. :smile:

yeah sorry i was talking about the JDM h22a.

yeah sorry i was talking about the JDM h22a.

Type-S ;)

I think if you want a swap different from everybody else and you want to swap for an H series go for the H23a7 I think that's the number from the JDM euro accord 225 ponies. :bigthumb:

f20b is the way to go i have a stock f20b with the h22 lsd tranny with a stage 3 6 puk racing clutch and i mash on h22's all day long f20b is the shit

f20b is the way to go i have a stock f20b with the h22 lsd tranny with a stage 3 6 puk racing clutch and i mash on h22's all day long f20b is the shit

:wtf:

hi i was just reading all of your messages but whats the difference on the mounts for the f20b and the jdm h22a??? which one is the most simplest to drop in a 6th gen accord thats my biggest concern. as you can tell im new at this im more of a car stereo and custom body work type of a guy. so all i need to know how hard is it to drop a f20b or a h22a in a 6th gen accord i just need any or all info to do a swap if possible.

hi i was just reading all of your messages but whats the difference on the mounts for the f20b and the jdm h22a??? which one is the most simplest to drop in a 6th gen accord thats my biggest concern. as you can tell im new at this im more of a car stereo and custom body work type of a guy. so all i need to know how hard is it to drop a f20b or a h22a in a 6th gen accord i just need any or all info to do a swap if possible.





its the same the only difference is the f20b comes stock with a stroker kit in it. thats the only differencs it has more power than an h22 but there identical h22 has black valve cover f20b has blue but f20 is the way to go

The F20B and the H22A bolt in exactly the same. They use the same mounts because they are part of the same "series". It should be a pretty direct bolt swap into a 6th gen Accord (assuming the Accord is a 4cyl to begin with)

crxfiend4life is wrong. An F20B is NOT an H22A with a stroker kit. It is the complete opposite. It is a DESTROKED H22A (How could it have a stroker kit if the displacement is in fact SMALLER). It does NOT have more power than the H22A.

The F20B and the H22A bolt in exactly the same. They use the same mounts because they are part of the same "series". It should be a pretty direct bolt swap into a 6th gen Accord (assuming the Accord is a 4cyl to begin with)

I heard that the 6th gen H22 swap was more difficult than with earlier generation accords because of relocated mounts. I have a 2000 accord and was investigating doing the swap. They told me I would need to buy a mounting kit to put the 22 in

crxfiend4life I strongly advise you to do your research before posting here. I see way to many errors in what you say which is why I recomend making sure your facts are straight before trying to help. I'm glad your trying to help, but please do your homework first.

thanks for some of the information that was put out. thanks. but in order to complete a successful motor swap what do i need to accomplish the swap either if im going for the h22a or the f20b, but i'd like it to be original as possible like the sir-t accord oh is it possible to turbo a f20b and if so what kind of turbo should i try to get, and what psi is safe for that engine ?? i already know the h22 can be, and not to sure on the f20b. any advice is greatly appreciated..

Yeah, the f20b CAN be turbod but its 11.1 c/r really makes the idea sounds bad. If you have a deep pocket then I say go for it and get the F20b and rebuild it with new rods pistons..etc.. and then turbo it. As for what turbo, theres way too many options out there so you need to research and find out which setup might suit your needs. Now all this will cost quite a bit, but since you want "original" i'm asuming you have a fare share of money, as being "original" is seldom cheap. Now I assure you everything discused has already been done before, but if you really think you want the f20b then thats your choice. If it were my descision, then I would go for a H22A, re-sleeve, fully build the engine and boost to 15-18 psi. But since it's your car, and your money YOU need to make the descision. Hope I helped you out a little bit.

I heard that the 6th gen H22 swap was more difficult than with earlier generation accords because of relocated mounts. I have a 2000 accord and was investigating doing the swap. They told me I would need to buy a mounting kit to put the 22 in

Interesting, I've never heard this before. You might be right. I'll have to look into it some more. Thanks for the heads up.

I did a quick google search and pulled this off honda-acura.net

6TH GEN TECH
There isnt much info on 6TH gen swaps. Aperantly the timing belt side mount is an issue as
well as the immobilizer

Seems as if one of the mounts is different. Can't find much with a quick google search. I'll read over it tonight and see what I can come up with tomorrow.

Blah blah blah.

The F20B DOHC VTEC motor is actually only 180 PS. If you want to argue, you are going to get owned up. It's been done. I'll wait for "Noooez!!!! It Got 200 HP HellA JdM HP yO!"

Blah blah blah.

The F20B DOHC VTEC motor is actually only 180 PS. If you want to argue, you are going to get owned up. It's been done. I'll wait for "Noooez!!!! It Got 200 HP HellA JdM HP yO!"
Oh I want to, I want to...

Accord automatic SiR is 180ps, the manual SiR T is indeed 200ps...If you want to fight this prepare to eat you words. Better yet, serve yourself and you attitude a plate now...http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/accord/98ac-k-709/shogen.html

The F20B and the H22A bolt in exactly the same. They use the same mounts because they are part of the same "series". It should be a pretty direct bolt swap into a 6th gen Accord (assuming the Accord is a 4cyl to begin with)

crxfiend4life is wrong. An F20B is NOT an H22A with a stroker kit. It is the complete opposite. It is a DESTROKED H22A (How could it have a stroker kit if the displacement is in fact SMALLER). It does NOT have more power than the H22A.

Bro before u try to make a point do some research please. look at the horse power ratings between the 2 i work at a shop we dyno tested each motor the f20b had 12 more hp

Bro before u try to make a point do some research please. look at the horse power ratings between the 2 i work at a shop we dyno tested each motor the f20b had 12 more hp
H22As depending on where they come from range from 190 to 220, and F20Bs from 130-200ps, so don't make a statement based on you "tuning" experiance with a couple motors, motor condition can have a profound effect on Hp output. Trying to tell some one they are wrong or need to research when your statement was just as not on point is retarded. Not to mention the fact that you said the F20B is a stroked H22, when in fact it is as he pointed DEstroked, if it was stroked it would have a HIGHER displacement.

H22As depending on where they come from range from 190 to 220, and F20Bs from 130-200ps, so don't make a statement based on you "tuning" experiance with a couple motors, motor condition can have a profound effect on Hp output. Trying to tell some one they are wrong or need to research when your statement was just as not on point is retarded. Not to mention the fact that you said the F20B is a stroked H22, when in fact it is as he pointed DEstroked, if it was stroked it would have a HIGHER displacement.

damn nobody in this room knows what the hell they are talking about. U need to look up the specs on the motors i have an f20b learn the facts on the f20-b before u try talking shit list everything u think u know about the motor and ill tell u if your right or not

damn nobody in this room knows what the hell they are talking about. U need to look up the specs on the motors i have an f20b learn the facts on the f20-b before u try talking shit list everything u think u know about the motor and ill tell u if your right or not
I get my specs from fucking Honda, if you think you know more than they do, I hate to tell you, but you are sorely mistaken.

Why don't you staple you putried little dick sucker shut and read up on the link to HONDAs website I posted, then you can edumacate yourself.

If you don't even know the difference between stroked and destroked, you are hardly in a position to be telling people who use the source of the motor as info, what you think your feeble mind can grasp. And if you can't spell simple words like "you", and form complete proper sentences with punctuation when trying to convey a message, than you prove even further that you don't have the mental capacity to put forth anything that is going to be taken seriously.

I've got an idea. Instead of everyone telling you what they know about them, and then wasting time posting up replies to everyone shooting holes in their "theories", why don't you just make a nice long post, laying out your VAST knowledge of the F20B, all it different configurations, horsepower levels, compression ratios, R/S's, could you throw in deck height, cam durations, valve diameters, cc's, dish volumes, ring/piston to wall etc... clearances and how it compares to the H22, and all it's attibutes as well? Please do bestow upon us this infinite wisdom you possess.

Well, crxfiend4life. I think we have established that the F20B is derivative of an H22A, correct? You state that the F20B comes stock with a stroker kit. Since it comes with a stroker kit, what is it stroked to?

God damn crxfiend4life, I even warned you to do your re search before you make an ass out of yourself but no! You didn't take my advice. You should make a page of everything you know about the f20b like jcrx said. Let's see what ya know big shot! :loser:

Cars: JDM 92-96 Prelude VTEC

Mileage: 28,000-45,000 miles

2157cc (DOHC VTEC)

Horsepower: 200hp@6800rpm

Torque: 161lbs-ft@5500rpm

Compression: 10.6:1

Bore: N/A

Stroke: N/A

OBD: 1

Redline: 7200rpm






Cars: JDM 97-01 Accord Euro-R

Mileage: 10,000-20,000 miles

1997cc (DOHC)

Horsepower: 220hp@7200rpm

Torque: 172lbs-ft@5800rpm

Compression: 11.0:1

Bore: 87mm

Stroke: 90.7mm

OBD: 2

Redline: 8200rpm

Cars: JDM 92-96 Prelude VTEC

Mileage: 28,000-45,000 miles

2157cc (DOHC VTEC)

Horsepower: 200hp@6800rpm

Torque: 161lbs-ft@5500rpm

Compression: 10.6:1

Bore: N/A

Stroke: N/A

OBD: 1

Redline: 7200rpm






Cars: JDM 97-01 Accord Euro-R

Mileage: 10,000-20,000 miles

1997cc (DOHC)

Horsepower: 220hp@7200rpm

Torque: 172lbs-ft@5800rpm

Compression: 11.0:1

Bore: 87mm

Stroke: 90.7mm

OBD: 2

Redline: 8200rpm

this is what i go by

And you got this information from where?

The F20B didn't even exist all the way until 01. And it didn't come in the Euro-R. It came in the 97-98 Accord SiR-T's. The Accord Euro-R came with an H22 that was spec'd close, if not exactly, to that of the Prelude Type-S :jump3: Those specs are completely wrong.

How can you know so much about the F20B and not even know what car it comes in?

To put it simply.

Prelude = 190-200hp = H22A = BLACK valve cover

Accord SiR-T = 200hp (and less torque, due to being DESTROKED to 2.0 liters. The only reason the horsepower was retained at 200hp was because the compression was raised to 11.0:1) = F20B = BLUE valve cover

Accord Euro-R = 220hp = H22A (Special Spec) = RED valve cover
-->These two motors are almost identical.
Prelude Type-S = 220hp = H22A (Special Spec) = RED valve cover

END OF STORY.

Cars: JDM 92-96 Prelude VTEC

Mileage: 28,000-45,000 miles

2157cc (DOHC VTEC)

Horsepower: 200hp@6800rpm

Torque: 161lbs-ft@5500rpm

Compression: 10.6:1

Bore: N/A

Stroke: N/A

OBD: 1

Redline: 7200rpm






Cars: JDM 97-01 Accord Euro-R

Mileage: 10,000-20,000 miles

1997cc (DOHC)

Horsepower: 220hp@7200rpm

Torque: 172lbs-ft@5800rpm

Compression: 11.0:1

Bore: 87mm

Stroke: 90.7mm

OBD: 2

Redline: 8200rpm


Loser, next time you copy paste information, make sure it is right HAHAHAHA, dude this is funny.

Here, for your mental growth, here is HONDAS japanese website, so you can see what motor really comes in that car....

92-96 Prelude vtec (http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/prelude/92pu-k-109/si_vtec_sy.html)

or, if you meant just the Prelude Si, well guess what, wrong, F22B...

92-96 Prelude Si (http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/prelude/92pu-k-109/si_sy.html)

And no, the Accord Type R does NOT come with a F20B, the SiR T does and it is NOT 220ps, it is 200ps for the manual and 180ps for the auto. And I like the JDM Euro ATR, haha good mix up, my buddy has one, I am going over to his work today, if you want, I'll post pics of the H22A7 in it HAHAHAHAHA, dude, you're killin' meAccords 97-01 (http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/accord/98ac-k-709/shogen.html)

Seriiously guy, stop while you are WAY behind.

Oh my, look, it's a Euro Accord Type R

http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/uploads//1121557974/gallery_630_77_14514.jpg

I wonder what's under the hood?

http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/uploads//1121557974/gallery_630_77_51385.jpg

Survey says.........

Not a F20B :( sorry dude.

crxfiend4life the info on the JDM h22 is wrong. Redline came at 7400 rpm. And everything else isnt what you know its what you can look up. Just give it up loser. :loser: :flipa:

i got an old school 89 accord, somebody let me kno if an h22 will fit in my accord... cuz i have the money just need the ok to go ahead and invest in the thing.. thank you

You actually should've just started a new thread, because this one is really old. But to answer your question, yes an h22 will fit in your car. You *might* need new motor mounts, I don't know what the stock mount configuration is on 89 accords, but rest assured, it has been done.

i'm not sure about the motor mounts either, i was lookin online and saw the F20b, so i was doin some research and came across this forum... and read that it fuckin sucked, so i decided to go on with the h22 project

well the F20 Accord Sir-T Type R is 215 hp @ 8000 and 145aftlbs @7500 and redline is 8200 so yeah

Don't bring back old threads. And there is no such thing as an Accord Type R.

not bringing up old threads, just have another question...
i have an 1997 Acura 2.2 CL and i have a few options in mind.
Its a F22B1 SOHC VTEC producing 145 or 150 hp stock. now i was wondering if i should either turbo it, or just swap it for a F20B. Both these options will cost me the same. i was told that the F20B can bolt on to my exsisting tranny in the CL. meaning i would only have to get the engine and i would gain 50-55hp. If i went turbo on the stock engine i would safly put 7-9 psi untill i build the engine to push more. if im correct 9 psi would be the same as gaining about 50-55hp.
so both engine swap or turbo kit will gain about the same hp correct?
does the f20b really fit on my f22b1 tranny?
keeping in mind both will cost me the same (turbo kit installed) vs (f20b swap engine only) and both would gain same hp, which is smarter to do?