chick cars that make others question your sexuality

ummm anyways ive been debating(too myself) about what car makes other people question your sexuality, heres a short list ive made...And if i offend anyone please reconsider because i do not mean to offend anyone...end disclaimer


1.Mini Cooper-Aight id admit these buggas are pretty nice even though there powered by a weak BMW I-4...The S models too,..However unless your over the age of 40 and or have a queer eye i consider most dudes who drive these non-straight

2.VW New Beetle-Cant be anymore of a chick car(flower dotted hubcaps anyone) I however do see the occasional male who i think has givin up on life.....Especially if its that nasty Lime green or that light yellow color (and if your a dude whos driving it) then its basically screaming flamer

3.VW Jetta-I dont know why most people think these are chick cars but when i used to have a Jetta i always got shit about being gay and its a chick car...yada yada yada....I do know alot of women who drive these "cute"(as my friend Amy says) German crafted automobiles and roughly i know about half a dozen straight as a 2*4 males who own these cars...They got a decent aftermarket and with a little bit of work can be a little less feminine

4.Toyota Celica-I again ponder why people claim these are chick cars....The GT-S models look pretty manly to me i mostly see women driving the not-so-powerful GT models(cant handle the power heh heh)..

You forgot a mazda miata, no self respecting straight guy would drive one.

definately mazda miata....even the they are real fun. I dont knw why ppl put jetta with a chick car, I personally really like the 1.8turbo or the vr6... as for other sexuality questioning cars the V6 stangs (after muscle car and before 05) really makes me wonder about the guy driving it...the only others I can think of are the fake SUV's like the rav4 or crv

definately mazda miata....even the they are real fun. I dont knw why ppl put jetta with a chick car, I personally really like the 1.8turbo or the vr6... as for other sexuality questioning cars the V6 stangs (after muscle car and before 05) really makes me wonder about the guy driving it...the only others I can think of are the fake SUV's like the rav4 or crv

Oh Burn!!! :lol:

I was gonna say something like that.

um honda civic. pick a year, doesnt matter which

especially when they are lowered

PT cruiser... definitely

Geo/chevy tracker or any of the mini SUVs with the exception of the samurai. If it lacks carpet and has real off road capability its exempt.

Tercel

Ford Escape... not sure why, its just so wimpy looking

Ford Ranger "splash"

BMW E30 convertible... even though I have one

Lexus SC430 convertible... such a chick car

any Jag or the Lincoln LS

Any fluffy big SUV with leather. How on earth can you be a man in a burly truck if it has five zone AC, leather, coffee cup warmer, and 400 other features that remove ALL manliness and ability from the vehicle's intended design????? If you're going to get a frou frou vehicle, at least get a town car. Don't get a 4x4 and then put Z-rated 24" tires on it. Jeesh, ya pansy. I've never understood men who "buy" their manhood by showing off how much money they have. Serious compensation issues.

I would say old VWs like type 2s and beetles, but for the most part they are men who are secure enough in their manhood that they can carry it off.

Anything pink, lavender, or lime green. See compensation comment above.

Anything that has a stereo that has a video of a dancing dolphin on the display. I don't care if you have a 1948 Willy's jeep with a 10" lift and 41" knobby tires, if it has a dancing dolphin, you're not a real man.

any Jag

Any fluffy big SUV with leather. How on earth can you be a man in a burly truck if it has five zone AC, leather, coffee cup warmer, and 400 other features that remove ALL manliness and ability from the vehicle's intended design????? If you're going to get a frou frou vehicle, at least get a town car. Don't get a 4x4 and then put Z-rated 24" tires on it. Jeesh, ya pansy. I've never understood men who "buy" their manhood by showing off how much money they have. Serious compensation issues.



Anything pink, lavender, or lime green. See compensation comment above.



i fully agree with SUV i hate the "24 in rims the most offroading will see is at the mall" type

anlthough two coments the Jag XJ220 is not a girly car

also lime green is generally horendous but few cars can pul it off like the 71 hemi cuda - that is most certainly not a girly car.

Big luxury suv's are chick cars? Most woman are afraid to drive these cars, and I seriously doubt some gay guy would drive one. I mean I agree about the fake little suvs, but an escalade, navigator, or hummer is a man's car. And don't start with the bs about having to compensate for something. You can't tell me a escalade xs500 ext(for 500hp) with a bad ass sound system, and reasonable 18" rims is a chick car? Afterall it has a bed, just like a pickup. And I doubt you would take a car like this off roading, that's why I like dirt bikes, it's a better feeling than you can get in any car. As far as jaguars go, it's just plain ignorant to label the whole brand as chick cars. Apperently you have never driven a XKE/XJS v12. Seems like your problem is more with expensive cars than feminine cars.

VW Beetle: I can respect the Golf, GTi, and the Jetta GLI, but I just don't know why any man would buy the beetle.

PT Cruiser: Very popular when they first came out, now the only people who buy them are 40-50 year old women.

Audi TT: completely gutless for a "sports car" with that price tag

Miata: yes

Mazdaspeed Miata: no

V6 'Stangs and Camaros: i thought only 35 year old blond girls named Sherley bought cars like these...

Benz SL Class: some will disagree with me, but this just screams femininity to me. I think "CAR" magazine said it was a "futball players wife's car" or something to that effect. I just think that the 911, M5, Vipers, and cars like those are much more masculine.

Hummer H2. A definate woman's car. It makes her feel safe and powerful, definately not a man's car (unless he's been castrated). In fact, all "luxury" SUVS are pretty darn girly (I mean come on - a "Utility" vehicle with heated leather seats?). No self respecting man would drive such a thing.

I don't know what your idea of a masculine car is, but I tend to think big engine+lots of hp+big body+comfortable=masculine car. There are lots of negative comments you can make about the h2, but a chick car is not one of them. I have never seen a woman in one and many I know prefer small cars. It's a shame to see someone make up sht like this just because a car is popular and expensive. You probobly never even drove or been in one, and I bet you would jump at the chance if you could. I suppose you think a fiat 2-stroke is as manly as cars get?

Maybe you forget that the H2 is marketed towards women! in fact the first TV spots for the H2 featured it being driven by a woman through a city. Regrettably, I know somebody who owns one, and if I had the choice between owning one or walking, I'd rather walk (I'd save money, and people wouldn't look at me & think "what a sucker")
I'd have to say I see more woman in "luxury SUVS" than men (here in Colorado, where off roading is pretty popular, men stick to real SUVs like Jeeps and old Toyota Land Cruisers).

Yeah, gotta stick to my guns with the fluffy SUV thing. Its not a flame at all, they are great cars, but its a fine line between glorious excess and excessive glory.

I'm all about overkill. I know a guy who put a caddy 500 in a beetle ( http://www.wsu.edu/~426hemi/ ) That kinda stuff is just neat and fun in a fraternity kind of way. But once it leaves the unique and individual realm, it becomes a Canyonero. Click on my link below for the 1966 Bonneville and you'll see some serious overkill, but with responsibility.

I guess my problem with SUVs and fluff trucks is that you take a vehicle that has an ultimate purpose (historically) of being useful, then add more gas guzzleness (thats a real word by the way), add leather, slam it to the ground, put completely inappropriate rubber and wheels on it, and you have a vehicle that tries to emulate the comfort of a luxury car in exchange for removing much of its usefulness... and don't give me that crap about "I haul stuff with mine". The bottom line is that if you need a truck, buy a 3/4 ton TRUCK. If you buy a lightning with 22" wheels, I dare you to use it as a TRUCK and then not cry when you lay a couch on the fender. If you want a rich luxury cruiser to show off your money, buy a Mercedes boat or a Lincoln Town Car. Just because the SUV costs $10,000 more doesn't make it better. My dad has two 1-ton trucks. They both have leather because they don't hold caked-on dirt like cloth, but he uses them. One is a dedicated mountain logging crawler, and the other is a dedicated tow vehicle. He didn't put 24" 'rimzz' on it and he has E-rated rubber instead of 335/35WR24s. They are trucks, and yes, they cost $35,000, but that's because he needed a truck. And by the way, he made the environmentally, financially, and oil dependency wise choice of getting diesels in both.

A good example, In 95 my sister bought an S10 blazer with cloth seats and the vortec. For less money I bought a new 96 Impala SS. LT1 V8 instead of V6, Leather instead of cloth, handling instead of slop, 25 mpgs instead of 16, nearly 300 hp instead of 180, 13-seconds in the quarter instead of 16, resale value instead of cookie-cutter market share, and sooo much more interior room. She used her blazer to haul her kids. I think the SS would have been a better choice, but she fell for the marketing that said the SUV is a better choice for her safety. Grrrr. This is the same marketing that convinced us in 1982 that front wheel drive and unibodies were better than a frame and rear wheel drive. Double Grrrr.

I know its a matter of preference, but I hate it when they take a product that has no right being where it is, slapping leather and ass warmers on it and convincing the world that they need it.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but the true reasons for the SUV marketing push is this: Auto makers and government don't really mix so well. The original push for SUVs was to convince the public that they needed a high-consumption vehicle. Auto makers needed more time to meet CAFE standards and market pliability is something they can use to wedge the government to hold off on CAFE standards. If the public is lapping up gas guzzlers, you can't upset the market. That gives them more time to focus on the other vehicles. The public not only bought the marketing hook line and sinker, we swallowed it with a smile and asked for more. SUV prices shot through the roof and automakers haven't been happier. You think Daimler Benz was easy for Chrysler to buy? Heck no. SUV and truck sales have put them through the roof. GM owns Saab. Ford owns Jaguar. And I guarantee none of it would have happened without the SUV boom. I was a stockholder of four of those above six companies and in corporate sales for two of them. GM was on the brink of bankruptcy after a decade of Sunfires, Celebrities, and Cavaliers. They couldn't even afford to change their advertising for over 8 years.

I just can't think of ANY other reason than stature and social status to pay $10k more for a vehicle that can't excel at anything except drinking gasoline. (and maybe giving you a "commanding view of the road... jeesh) Almost nobody takes their $42,000 Expedition offroad, so why not spend it on something that rides nicely, handles better, is far more reliable, and is more rewarding to own? I just think that $40k can be spent much more wisely on a 7-series, Mercedes, or Lexus.

Or, buy an H2 which is just a $50k K2500 with a different body and ass warmers.

Yeah. Hummers, Expeditions, 'Burbs, and Durangos often are marketed with a mother and 2.5 kids at the grocery store. Chick car? Affirmative.

And my final quote: "SUVs are the Reality television of the automotive world. A scapegoat, band-aid fix that someone created as a brilliant marketing diversion, gladly accepted by the George H. Bush camp as a way of shifting the responsibility away from the true culpable parties, and all the big three had to do was tell us that we needed it. Just like reality TV, it costs half as much to make and makes twice as much as a script. I'm so happy to see Republican corporate America swimming in the profits of our stupidity." You can quote me on that shite right there.

Stepping off the soap box now.... but one last photo to drive the nail in my coffin:

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a375/a375.gif

Really? Here in Chicago the h2 ads don't show the driver. There's one about a little kid racing in a box car one. It's pretty ironic if what you're saying is true, considering that the h2's offroad capabilities are way ahead of the jeep and land cruiser. (winch, locking differential, water foraging snorkel, tire inflation system, higher ground clearance, more power then most suvs, and many options I missed here.) While a new jeep v8 might be faster on a road, there is really nothing short of an h1 close to the h2's off road performance. Seems like a huge waste to market this for women. I really don't think gm would intentially market it like this, and I can't see why a woman would ever want one. I mean come on, next thing you'll say is that ford F350's are chick cars. The question here is would someone question your sexuality in a hummer. In my opinion, no. In a mazda miata, most definitely.

It's pretty ironic if what you're saying is true, considering that the h2's offroad capabilities are way ahead of the jeep and land cruiser. (winch, locking differential, water foraging snorkel, tire inflation system, higher ground clearance, more power then most suvs, and many options I missed here.) While a new jeep v8 might be faster on a road, there is really nothing short of an h1 close to the h2's off road performance.

Ooh. Don't say this in the off-roading world. In the off-road circles, the H1 and SWB flat-fender jeeps are absolute kings followed very shortly by the land cruiser. There are about 15 more preferred steps between these and an H2 including any rover. An H2 is a suburban with a different body. Although its appearance puts up a good mirage, its attack angles, departure angles, long wheelbase, actual ground clearance, and lack of articulation make it surprisingly poor at off road maneuvers when compared to Jeeps and H1s. Still incredibly capable in all but extreme rock crawling, but not in the same class as the jeeps and other true off-roaders. A good indicator of off-road prowess is how much it sucks at 80 mph :) The H2 is better suited to the highways than Rubicon.

Honestly, I think if I won an H2 in a raffle, I'd sell it and buy a 67 GTO convertible :) but like I said before, to each their own and I'm just offering opinions.

Although its appearance puts up a good mirage, its attack angles, departure angles, long wheelbase, actual ground clearance, and lack of articulation make it surprisingly poor at off road maneuvers
This is the problem with alot of the rediculously large "off road" vehicles. Personally, my favorite of all the off roaders is the Suzuki Lj20, if highway speed is any indication of what a vehicle was designed to do, its top speed of 45mph says plenty. With no overhang front or rear, and an overall length of about 10' it's surprisingly competent off road for vehicle with about the same hp as a modern ATV. No roof, no doors, no carpetting, AC, or power windows, that's a real man's SUV. :)

Dosen't seem like I would want to drive something like that. I mean be realistic, you have to take it on a road sometime and that would just be embarassing. Seems like you guys think of manly cars as something totally minimalistic like a old jeep wrangler with no carpet, no top, and all but the driver's seat gutted, ohh and don't forget the permanent layer of dirt and mud from all that offroading. Living in the city, the only off roading I do is a curb around the gas station. (allthough I do ride on dirt bike trails, but I'm yet to find a legal place to offroad in a car.) Currently I have a sedan so it wouldn't matter. But still, I haven't been driving for very long, and my next car would probobly be a luxury suv, just because I want to get the experience without having to sacrifice being comfortable. The thing is that suvs in general are on the way out. Hybrid, hydrogen, whatever there's no more place left for them when that gas station sign keeps rising. Take Europe for example, you will not see a suv or even very many v8s there. We have to accept that this will eventually happen here. In my opinion, these big suvs are the last of their kind and we might as well enjoy them. For those living in the city, they are the closest they will get to offroading, at least when it rains or snows. If anything else it promotes confidence and I see it as a show of defiance towards the crazy gas prices. It's like giving all of Europe the finger and protesting the robbing of peoples driving priviledges through bs taxes. At least this counts for something and I would gladly drive one of these cars. As far as image goes, I think they just have rebeliant attitude.

Any SUV with leather seats, Climate Controlled Air Conditioning, Comfort-tuned Suspension, kitchen sink, DVD Players etc is a womans car, they were designed for women to take thier one or two weedy kids to the grocery store or whatever private school they go to. Either that or twats like 50 Cent to parade around in on 24 Inch Rims talking about thier "mad stylez Bl!ng."

A real mans 4WD is a Landcruiser, a Jeep Rubicon, a Toyota HiLux, Land Rover Defender, Hummer H1, Mercedes Benz Gelandnewagen, etc.

If the military use them for the rough stuff (And not that poofter staff car rubbish), only then should a man drive it.

Though a man driving a VW Touareg V10 TDi is justifiable, especially if he needs to tow a combine harvester :p. All Jeeps and Land Rovers ('Cept the Freelander) are also acceptable provided they are used on a muddy trail reguarly.



Some other girly cars:

Audi A3
Seat Arosa
Ford StreetKa
Peugeot 206CC
Audi TT (Though the ones made before the safety scare are strictly man-only cars on the basis that they could very well kill you and that's bloody manly.)
Volkswagen New Beetle
Pontiac Sunfire
All those Japanese Kei Cars (When they leave Japan, which they all probably do)
Mitsubishi FTO

I mean be realistic, you have to take it on a road sometime and that would just be embarassing.
Don't blame the car, blame the world! :)
Except for short jumps on the highways, most of my driving (And in fact most of most American's driving) is done between 35 and 45mph, so it's really not all that impractical as it may sound, unless you regularly drive cross country (which most of us don't).
In fact, it makes more sense to drive a 25hp utility truck with a top speed of 45mph in the city than it does to drive an overpowered, overweight, oversized (and obnoxiously hard to park) SUV anywhere.
But why you'd want an SUV in the city anyway is beyond me.

Pontiac Sunfire

V6 Mustang (has to be an automatic and convertible too! :grinno: )

Jeep Cherokee (Maybe it was just a Michigan thing)

I also see a lot of women driving LS1 Trans Ams as well. http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/fragend/confused-smiley-013.gif

Interesting conversation guys... especially Curtis73 - good stuff!

Much agreed Curtis, about your H2 comments. I am glad to see somebody in here that doesn't just bash a vehicle out of ignorance, but rather does their homework first. Very diplomatic! :)

Well, I too have my reasons for not buying an H2.

1. I have nothing to prove. My penis is plenty big.
2. I cannot afford to fill my tank every other day. My vehicle gets 24 MPG.
3. I cannot afford a vehicle that costs 1/2 the price of a house. My vehicle costs 1/3 the price of an H2.
4. I need a vehicle with "real" utility, which for me means I need a daily commuter, something to haul the kids and groceries, yet something I can take comfortably on a camping or fishing trip in the summer. Hence, the minivan option is ruled out.
5. I do not go off-road much. In fact, I would rather stay ON the road since where I live we have some pretty harsh winters. My vehicle has 4WD that automatically engages when I need it. (this is my first winter driving it, and the 4WD has PREVENTED me from getting stuck or into an accident)
6. Coinciding with #4 above, with kids I don't want to worry about an expensive, hard-to-clean interior. With a $50,000 H2 I wouldn't even want my kids to ENTER the vehicle, much less get comfortable in it with their grimy boots, dirty hands, gum, candy, soda pop, happy meals, stickers, boogers and puke! I would constantly be worried that my precious interior was getting ruined... how much fun is that?? That's why my vehicle has a wipe down interior with urethane floors (no carpet!!). All that my 2 little girls can give it, I can easily clean up (without being taken to the cleaners, so to speak).
7. I need enough power to pass vehicles or enter the freeway safely without feeling "gutless". My iVTEC has 160 HP and 160 Lbs of torque which offers PLENTY of power when I need it, and fuel efficiency when I don't.
8. I am not a tree-hugger, but I do care about the environment. I don't want to create a smog haze over my city and make the breathing conditions worse for my children. Though I only play a small part, I am proud that my vehicle produces only 1/7th the emissions of an H2, and far less than most vehicles in its class.
9. I want a safe vehicle. My vehicle has 5 star crash ratings.
10. I want a vehicle that is inexpensive to insure. I don't need to elaborate further on the cost of H2 insurance, do I?
11. I want a vehicle that I like to drive and be seen in. And I don't need "true 'dat", "bling, bling!" tacked onto my vehicle to point out to everyone that I have bad taste. (Gold mixed with silver? Come on, dipshits... do you really believe that anyone thinks that crap looks genuine?). And my vehicle is also FUN to drive!

Well, I'll get off my soap box now. To all those that can afford, and choose to own an H2... well, I'll just keep quiet. To each their own, but I am DEFINATELY in my element! ;)

(BTW, I love the avatar, Curtis73! It's good to see people that have a sense of humor in here!)

LEGO

You really have to be kidding?

To start off, I saw a special on the Speed channel about the H2. At one point they talked to the woman, yes woman, behind the marketing. She stated that the marketing was geared towards women. Also, 99% of the H2 drivers around here happen to be women. What does that tell you?

As for off-road capabilities, the H2 is built on the same frame as the Silverado SS. That isn't a frame that I would call resistant to twisting. The damn thing is huge which isn't a good thing when off roading. It makes the vehicle hard to maneuver in tight spots. Not to mention the earlier mentioned problems. You say it has more power than most SUVs. Even if that were true, who cares? The weight of the H2 offsets that. It has the power to weight ratio of a Toyota Corolla, another chick car. I have a video of an H2 doing some very light rock crawling where the H2 manages to easily snap a tie rod. You criticize the Jeep yet the Cherokee, the Grand Cherokee, and the Wrangler would have made easy work of that. In fact we have been through worse terrain in my brother's Dodge Ram 1500 and my dad's 1999 Grand Cherokee, both of which are dead stock. Now the Jeep has the 350 HP Hemi and LSDs on both diffs and the transfer case.

I'm sorry, but the H2 is horrible for off-roading and in no way could be compared to any Jeep.

Now, for my list of chick cars:

V6 Mustangs
Jetta
New Beetle
Miata
PT Crusier
Neon (not the SRT-4)
Eclpise RS/GS/GTS
Corolla
Audi TT
Any Kia
Lancer
Sunfire
And any SUV that is just a mini-van is SUV clothing.

I live in Baltimore MD...and I'd say about 70% of the drivers of LS1 ram air trans ams, and LS1 SS camaros are women. It's crazy.

Wow nice list you got there, Lego. For one, I wouldn't be caught dead in a element. Sense of style? lol The element takes the honors for ugliest car. You're freinds must be extremely jelous when they see you in that shtbox. Plenty of power? Are you being sarcastic? That thing can barely get out of it's own way. You're saying that an H2 is a chick car? Sorry, but an element is as feminine as cars get.

It seems you're bashing the H2 for no good reason. You're just making stupid remarks with no justification. Juts because someone likes big, expensive cars, then they must have a small penis? Even if that were true they still get to use it more then you.

These suvs might be heavy, but that's the whole point. A rr phantom weights well over 5000 pounds. Compared to cadillac and lincoln, the H2 has a poor hp/weight, but that should change as the alpha models are introduced. Lingelfelter provides a 500hp-800hp kit for the H2, which should aslo resolve this problem. The escalade is allready out with a 500hp model. A cadillac xs500 can go from 0-60 in under 6 seconds. The fact of having a big engine on tap is a huge appeal of these cars. Fuel millage is understandable and not a problem for those who can afford it, after all a lamborghini gets around 10mpg. And the bs about pollution is nonsense, since cat converts and pollution controls were in effect. Just because the car burns a lot of gas dosn't mean it pollutes more. Your 2 stoke lawn mower pollutes much more then an H2 at wide open throttle.

Woman might be driving them, but the fact remains that it's most likely thier husband's car and they wouldn't have bought it themselves.

Big suvs are not meant to be hard core off road vehicles, they're meant to be comfortable and offer a lot of space. The same goes for midsize suvs like the rx330 or bmw x5, they are not for off road, but rather as comfortable and pratical cars that are competent in slippery conditions. People don't seem to understand that and bash luxury suvs for their lack of off road capability.

Just because you're forced to drive a element because you need the space and fuel economy, dosn't mean that you have be jelous of those who are able to drive one.

Just because the car burns a lot of gas dosn't mean it pollutes more. Your 2 stoke lawn mower pollutes much more then an H2 at wide open throttle
Wrong, and wrong. The ammount of fuel burned is directly related to the ammount of pollution a vehicle makes. The only thing the cat is good for reducing hydrocarbons, and changing one poison into a different poison.
All of the other gasses (in fact all of the greenhouse gasses) escape pratically unfiltered, and the more gas you burn the more greenhouse gasses you spew. An H2 is more than TWICE as dirty as say, a 1988 Yugo.
The 2stroke lawnmower? In hydrocarbon emissions it definately beats the h2 and other smog spewers, but in every other meaningful pollutant, the SUVs win hands down. Don't believe it? Check out fueleconomy.gov

The H2 is a womens car, it was designed for women, and is marketed to woman. plain and simple.
Big suvs are not meant to be hard core off road vehicles, they're meant to be comfortable and offer a lot of space
Any consumer with a brain would opt for a full size sedan, easier to get in and out of, easier to drive, safer, and just as comfortable, nevermind more practical since you don't have to pay for all the extra useless weight or the gas needed to haul it around. The luxury SUV is simply the automakers cashing in on a gullible car buying public.
But we're not talking about that, we're talking chick cars. Any "old" car that is crapified into a new car is a chick car. New beetle, H2, new thunderbird. I'd say the 2005 mustang, but it's far too ugly to be a chick car (it looks like a B210 and a GV morphed into one hideous mass). :cwm27:

Wow nice list you got there, Lego. For one, I wouldn't be caught dead in a element. Sense of style? lol The element takes the honors for ugliest car. You're freinds must be extremely jelous when they see you in that shtbox. Plenty of power? Are you being sarcastic? That thing can barely get out of it's own way. You're saying that an H2 is a chick car? Sorry, but an element is as feminine as cars get.

It seems you're bashing the H2 for no good reason. You're just making stupid remarks with no justification. Juts because someone likes big, expensive cars, then they must have a small penis? Even if that were true they still get to use it more then you.

These suvs might be heavy, but that's the whole point. A rr phantom weights well over 5000 pounds. Compared to cadillac and lincoln, the H2 has a poor hp/weight, but that should change as the alpha models are introduced. Lingelfelter provides a 500hp-800hp kit for the H2, which should aslo resolve this problem. The escalade is allready out with a 500hp model. A cadillac xs500 can go from 0-60 in under 6 seconds. The fact of having a big engine on tap is a huge appeal of these cars. Fuel millage is understandable and not a problem for those who can afford it, after all a lamborghini gets around 10mpg. And the bs about pollution is nonsense, since cat converts and pollution controls were in effect. Just because the car burns a lot of gas dosn't mean it pollutes more. Your 2 stoke lawn mower pollutes much more then an H2 at wide open throttle.

Woman might be driving them, but the fact remains that it's most likely thier husband's car and they wouldn't have bought it themselves.

Big suvs are not meant to be hard core off road vehicles, they're meant to be comfortable and offer a lot of space. The same goes for midsize suvs like the rx330 or bmw x5, they are not for off road, but rather as comfortable and pratical cars that are competent in slippery conditions. People don't seem to understand that and bash luxury suvs for their lack of off road capability.

Just because you're forced to drive a element because you need the space and fuel economy, dosn't mean that you have be jelous of those who are able to drive one.

Spoken like a true intellect. I must admit, I am jealous of you. After all, your tactfulness, writing skills and spelling are so superb that I can never hope to reach your level. Kudos with your bling-bling.

Oh, and yes... I am forced to drive an Element. A gun was put to my head. I had no choice. What a dumbass I am! :screwy:

Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistakes, Lego. Sorry that I forgot to check it over. Nice way to change the subject and avoid adressing my argument though.

By the way a Buick Rendezvous and Pontiac Aztek are ULEV vehicles, get around 19/26 mpg, but produce almost no pollution. A non ULEV civic, which gets well over 30mpg with mixed city/highway will pollute much more. That's what I mean by advancements in emission technology. I believe that the H2 is exempt from emission testing, but it still pollutes much less then people realize.

Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistakes, Lego. Sorry that I forgot to check it over. Nice way to change the subject and avoid adressing my argument though.

By the way a Buick Rendezvous and Pontiac Aztek are ULEV vehicles, get around 19/26 mpg, but produce almost no pollution. A non ULEV civic, which gets well over 30mpg with mixed city/highway will pollute much more. That's what I mean by advancements in emission technology. I believe that the H2 is exempt from emission testing, but it still pollutes much less then people realize.

Hey, no harm meant... no foul.

Life is really too short. I wasn't even trying to bash on the H2. I was merely pointing out several reasons why I didn't buy one. I didn't even get into the aesthetics of the H2. I am all for hearing about the good qualities of the H2. Debates are wonderful, but idle nonsense is a waste of peoples time, namely mine. Nonetheless, may I retort a few of your comments?

"...Sense of style? lol The element takes the honors for ugliest car."

(And I never got into the aesthetics of the Element either. It's looks so different that some will never like the way it looks, but I do. That is my opinion, and I didn't ask for my opinion to be anybody else's)

"You're freinds must be extremely jelous when they see you in that shtbox."

(Jealous? No. Intrigued? Perhaps. I've had more people interview me in the parking lot about my Element than I've EVER had before with any other vehicle I've driven. And most people tell me they have considered buying one. And yes, some people do tell me it's ugly. But then they keep asking questions about it... "I heard you can hose out the interior?" or my favorite... "Is that a hybrid?" No and no. Still, my point is that even those who think it is ugly are intrigued by this vehicle. They can't get it out of their heads, love it or hate it. I know, because I went through the same thing before I bought mine.)

"Plenty of power? Are you being sarcastic? That thing can barely get out of it's own way."

(It has plenty of power for what I need. A daily commuter. I do not tow anything. If I needed more than 160 HP I would buy a full sized pickup. Sports car it is not, but it isn't a slug either. You might try test driving one on the freeway and you'll see what I mean.)

"You're saying that an H2 is a chick car? Sorry, but an element is as feminine as cars get."

(No, I didn't... oh, and "tee-hee") ;)

"It seems you're bashing the H2 for no good reason."

(Touché)

"You're just making stupid remarks with no justification."

(Touché)

"Juts because someone likes big, expensive cars, then they must have a small penis? Even if that were true they still get to use it more then you."

(Well, I wouldn't use mine on a woman who was so shallow that it mattered what vehicle I drove, so again touché)

"...Compared to cadillac and lincoln, the H2 has a poor hp/weight, but that should change as the alpha models are introduced. Lingelfelter provides a 500hp-800hp kit for the H2, which should aslo resolve this problem."

(I don't know about the Alpha model. I was merely discussing the H2 model. I also don't think that the H2 needs more power. It already sucks enough gas. What they ought to do is put it on the Atkins diet and convert it to a diesel or something)

"Fuel millage is understandable and not a problem for those who can afford it, after all a lamborghini gets around 10mpg."

(Very true, one of the reasons I listed for not buying an H2 is that I could not afford one. The H2 is an "unattainable" for me at 28 years of age. But I don't have a case of "sour grapes" when it comes to the H2. I would LOVE to be able to afford luxury cars like Mercedes, BMW, etc... but even though I can't afford those vehicles I still have great respect for them. Apples and oranges.)

PEACE!!

LEGO

Chick cars?
Miata
PT Cruiser
H2
V6 Mustangs and Firebirds.
Honda Element
Eclipses
Im on the fence about 350Zs.
"Bugs"

My fault, I went a little too far with that post. It's good to know that the people here prefer an actual discussion to pointless name calling. To each his own.

Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistakes, Lego. Sorry that I forgot to check it over. Nice way to change the subject and avoid adressing my argument though.

By the way a Buick Rendezvous and Pontiac Aztek are ULEV vehicles, get around 19/26 mpg, but produce almost no pollution. A non ULEV civic, which gets well over 30mpg with mixed city/highway will pollute much more. That's what I mean by advancements in emission technology. I believe that the H2 is exempt from emission testing, but it still pollutes much less then people realize.

A quick look at the informatin provided on government sites shows that no Buick Rendezvous is cleaner than any currently produced civic.
The Rendezvous produces an estimated 9.2 tons of pollutants per year (if you drive 15,000 miles) the biggest polluting civic manages only 6.9 tons of pollutants. How can this be if the Rendevous produces cleaner exhaust? Simple - it creates more exhaust, so while the exhaust itself is marginally cleaner, the total volume is so large (because it burns more gas) that it cancels this out.
Compare the 4.2 tons of pollutants a 1988 Chevy Sprint emits to the 12.8 tons of pollutants a current Cadillac Escalade produces - technological progress! :biggrin: In almost every respect the concentrations of pollutants emitted by the Srint are larger, but because it burns so little fuel, the total volume of pollutants is very small, so even a (slightly) cleaner running Escalade can't beat it because it wastes such a huge ammount of fuel. You can't escape the fact that the more fuel you burn the more pollution you produce. It's really very sad that a dissposable car from the 80's can beat the finest machinery of today when it comes to being environmentally responsible.

Well this isn't really the topic here, but I'm going to try to clear this up for myself at least. Let's say that the buick pollutes about twice as much nitrogen oxides as the civic, a given due to it's larger displacement. The fact remains that, being a ULEV, it will pollute at least half as much hydrocarbons as the civic. The buick's a 3.6 v6, the civic's a 1.7 4 banger. Because of a number of factors and differences in the civic's engine, the air velocity of the exhaust is not going to be proportional to the buick's, based on displacement. The way I see it, it's going to come down to how the car's are driven. A civic is usually a first car, so it'll get driven hard. I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the buick ULEV will emit less hydrocarbons.

Less hydrocarbons for a given volume, but the volume will be larger simply because the engine is, and because more gas is burned. So for the same distance travelled, the Buick will release more exhaust pollutants than the Honda - even though it's exhaust is technically "cleaner".
The Honda would pretty much have to be pegged at it redline if were to wish to compete in exhaust making - of course technically this wouldn't work either because the volumetric efficiency would drop and the Honda still wouldn't have a chance to equal the volume of the Buick.
Yeah it's getting off topic. :)

A cherry red Honda CR-V EX, jeje it does look feminine, oh well :O

I agree that the Element, and frankley all Hondas are feminen looking.

I do not Support the Hummer H2. it is a waste of space considering msot people who buy them are ignerent ghetto people that have to role on 'phat' tires and wheels.

My family has a 20 foot boat, 2 snowmobiles, and somtimes a camper. I woudlent be caught dead pulling that stuff with an ugly box called an element.
I like our Silverado and TrailBlazer, they suit our needs.

I do not Support the Hummer H2. it is a waste of space considering msot people who buy them are ignerent ghetto people that have to role on 'phat' tires and wheels.

A huge majority of H2 drivers are in fact white. Seems ironic that you're calling a group of people ignorant, when you can't even spell the word.

My family has a 20 foot boat, 2 snowmobiles, and somtimes a camper. I woudlent be caught dead pulling that stuff with an ugly box called an element.

The element is not meant to tow anything. I doubt it could pull a snowmobile effectively, let alone a camper or a boat. That thing has enought trouble with it's own weight. No offense, lego.

"My family has a 20 foot boat, we're too good for an H2 because we arent ghetto"... get over yourself. Lego stated all kinds of reasons that you should stop hating on the H2 when he said why not to hate on his 300 pound, grocery getter, "my kids are too girly to play soccer" soccer mom car... Im not pointing them out, read them yourself. And as for you other guys that talk about a "REAL MANS" off road vehicle... why do you have to have no doors, and knobby tires, and no roof in order to feel secure about your masculinity? If there was no mud on your car you'd probably be too afraid to go out in public for fear of it looking like a chick car. Some people like to have nice things, not just a 45 mph mud crawling POS. If I could afford one, Id love to have an Escalade EXT with 22's and a bad ass sound system. Just because I like my car to have leather and rims and a system doesnt mean I refuse to drive a nice truck. And about the penis thing.. gimme a break. That means you think everybody who owns an expensive car has a small penis. I dont think so. And that only says that you wouldnt drive an escalade because youre afraid of people thinking youve got a small penis. How manly is that? And just because you have a big one doesnt mean you dont buy an escalade. They look bad ass, they are the definition of comfort, they have a ton of space, and they are BALLIN. Just because YOU only care about what other people think of you, but cant afford an escalade, that doesnt mean that everyone with an escalade is as shallow as you. If I had one I would LOVE it. I love my car to look good, I like having nice things, and thats for myself. If you cant handle seeing other people roll around in a luxury SUV, then thats your own insecurity issue. Youre too afraid to admit that you're jealous. Im jealous. I want one. AND If they wanted an offroad vehicle, they could obviously afford yours, but they dont have to sling mud and climb rocks in their car to feel like a man, so they obviously feel better about their masculinity than you do about your own.

and I dont think I saw anybody say anything about a cavalier being a chick car. If I won a cavalier, I'd only drive it one time.... to trade it in. how about mercury tracers, and mystiques... those are straight up flamin. How about a pink honda civic.. HAHA.. seen a guy that always drove one around.. its pathetic. Integras are girly.. theyre too small to be a mans car. Then theres the Daewoo Lanos... give me a break.. if I drove one of those id have to laugh at MYSELF. Beetles are just gay. If you are a man and you own a beetle, the only thing you can do to it, is try to make it look "not gay". And if you ever accomplish that, then all you really did was prove that you arent gay and thats not saying much. and the ultimate chick car of the 21st century!!!! the 350Z convertible.... those are so chicky.. its like a barbie car. I might lose to one in a race, but at least I wouldnt look like a flamer doing it. How about a stock jeep wrangler? If its got big tires and a lift kit, its all good, but if its stock you just look like a tourist who wanted to explore your wild side with an "off road" rental car on the only break you get from driving your stupid little honda civic.

Sounds like we have a real candidate for an H2 here. :lol:

"My family has a 20 foot boat, we're too good for an H2 because we arent ghetto"... get over yourself. Lego stated all kinds of reasons that you should stop hating on the H2 when he said why not to hate on his 300 pound, grocery getter, "my kids are too girly to play soccer" soccer mom car... Im not pointing them out, read them yourself. And as for you other guys that talk about a "REAL MANS" off road vehicle... why do you have to have no doors, and knobby tires, and no roof in order to feel secure about your masculinity? If there was no mud on your car you'd probably be too afraid to go out in public for fear of it looking like a chick car. Some people like to have nice things, not just a 45 mph mud crawling POS. If I could afford one, Id love to have an Escalade EXT with 22's and a bad ass sound system. Just because I like my car to have leather and rims and a system doesnt mean I refuse to drive a nice truck. And about the penis thing.. gimme a break. That means you think everybody who owns an expensive car has a small penis. I dont think so. And that only says that you wouldnt drive an escalade because youre afraid of people thinking youve got a small penis. How manly is that? And just because you have a big one doesnt mean you dont buy an escalade. They look bad ass, they are the definition of comfort, they have a ton of space, and they are BALLIN. Just because YOU only care about what other people think of you, but cant afford an escalade, that doesnt mean that everyone with an escalade is as shallow as you. If I had one I would LOVE it. I love my car to look good, I like having nice things, and thats for myself. If you cant handle seeing other people roll around in a luxury SUV, then thats your own insecurity issue. Youre too afraid to admit that you're jealous. Im jealous. I want one. AND If they wanted an offroad vehicle, they could obviously afford yours, but they dont have to sling mud and climb rocks in their car to feel like a man, so they obviously feel better about their masculinity than you do about your own.

Great Post. Completely agree.

hey, way to state the obvious mr 2 stroke bloke. If you think cars are a reflection of your penis, then its pretty funny that you have a 2 stroke. Get a real argument. and a real car.

No I'm serious. Go look at the Show Pimp my Ride, like half the cars are Hummer H2s on 22s, totally wrecks the off-road capabilities.

oh yeah, i dident say anything about black people. Ignorant ghettto people include white wannabe blacks. But yet, there are the 45 yearolds who buy them so they can look cool driving down the street. On my bus, we pass this house, and its amazing how he drives past us every single day. its just irritating. THEY ARENT COOL! erg. Buy an H1 if you have real off-roading challenges! not some H2.

Dont go bashing me ok. I'm only 13. its jsut my opinion on what i see.

oh sorry, I didnt mean to bash a 13 year old. Its okay, One day you'll get smart enough to not side with 2strokebloke, and the guy who drives a honda element in an argument about chick cars.

lol i so do not like Honda Elements. Ugly cars. i was at an Airplane hanger with my naghbor, and his sis parked her Element in there cause she was out of town, and i said, "she has a bad taste in cars, these things are ugly"

And 160hp, is nothing. Our blazer has almsot 100 more HP than that lol

Thanks guys, I needed a good laugh tonight! :)

As far as the H2 goes? Well, I guess I am jealous of H2 owners because I can't afford one myself. If I could, I'd use the money to put my children through college instead. And the money I'd spend each month to make the insurance and gasoline payments I'd invest in the stock market (do you think I'd have more or less to show for it after 10 years? Scratch your brain for a minute. Repeat.).

Moral of this story? STAY AWAY FROM THE ELEMENT UNLESS YOU HAVE A SMALL PENIS!! (After all, you'd need a small penis to please all those tight-asses out there... mm...spuck!) If you have a GARGANTUAN PENIS... I mean HUGE(!!)... so HUGE that you simply cannot contain the level of testosterone that your HUGE BALLS produce then you simply MUST "invest" in an H2!! Hell, you can't afford NOT to! I mean, if you drive an Element you can tell the water is cold, but if you drive an H2 you can tell that water is also DEEP! Hahaha!

I need more beer. Bite me.

:cheers:

lol Looks like lego's serious about that beer. :lol2: Funny post though.

We kind of beat this whole topic to death. Hey Rick, how about an ending comment for this post?

if you needed a laugh, all you had to do is go look at your honda element.

theres my final thought


lol... yea, its dead...

if you needed a laugh, all you had to do is go look at your honda element.

Sorry I don't please you Rick. Either I have a huge penis, or you have a really loose ass! Thought so. :loser:

I was just taking the irresistable cheap shot there, sorry lego. But yeah, see, this was supposed to be about cars that make you look gay. A dude in an escalade or an H2 doesnt look gay, even though some jealous people might think he has a small penis because his rims are too big to go offroading. Beetles are gay, miatas are gay, sunfires, cavaliers, daewoo Lanos', mini coopers, and fiats are gay. I think we can all agree on that and get a good nights sleep no matter how big our dicks are.

Hey, no prob! Cheap shots bounce right off me... there's a metaphor I am searching for... Hmm.. better think of a different one...

No seriously, all is in fun... like I told Osca no harm, no foul!

You know what I LOVE about AutomotiveForums.com? The fact that you can say anything you damn well please! That also happens to be the thing that I HATE! :)

Oh well!

PEACE, Bro! :)

LEGO

hey, have another beer lego.. lol

[QUOTE=RickwithaTbird]and fiats are gay. QUOTE]

Tell that to an Italian and see how far it gets you (By that I mean how far under the ground :p)

good point.... italians are gay too

lol good point.

I know this one european shop where they used a fiat as a promotion. The guys were constantly working on that thing, trying to get it to run for more then a couple days. First time I saw one. Holly crap that car wasn't big enough for one person. You would be constantly bumping yourself in the face with your knees in that POS.

That has to be one of the gayest cars ever made. I would sincerely rather ride a bicycle then be seen in that thing. Probobly get there quicker.
I know that fiat owns alfa romeo, but cars sold under fiat are still crap.
FIAT = Fix It Again Tony

seriously, imagine working out at the gym and then hopping in a FIAT.. LOL, or if your buddy wants a ride to the club, and you both have to pull into the club parking lot hugging hips in the front seat of a FIAT.. lol omg.. how sad.

lol good point.

I know this one european shop where they used a fiat as a promotion. The guys were constantly working on that thing, trying to get it to run for more then a couple days. First time I saw one. Holly crap that car wasn't big enough for one person. You would be constantly bumping yourself in the face with your knees in that POS.

That has to be one of the gayest cars ever made. I would sincerely rather ride a bicycle then be seen in that thing. Probobly get there quicker.
I know that fiat owns alfa romeo, but cars sold under fiat are still crap.
FIAT = Fix It Again Tony
Up until about the 1980's, FIAT's were well built and rather reliable, if you maintained them properly, the engines got a reputation for being indestructable and able to stand up to an Italian driving it, which is an accomplishment in itself.

Of course then they tried putting electrical equipment in them, that didn't exactly work too well at all, nor did it help that the Interior parts liked to fall off and they rusted up until the Punto and Bravo/Brava came out.

Fiat also have some wicked engines, such as the old Twincam engine that used to power 124's and the like, as well as the 20 Valve Turbo found in the Coupe (Which although unreliable made the car go unbelievably fast).

FIAT SpA also have a shareholding in Ferrari SpA (Though I'm not sure how much it is these days) and owns the FIAT, Alfa Romeo and Lancia brands and was responsible for developing cars like the Lancia Delta Integrale and engines like the 2.5 Litre Alfa Romeo V6.

As for space, in Italy people manage to get thier entire families in a Punto, however given the fact that many Americans have literally outgrown most cars, I find it little surprise that most find are ignorant of these smaller and rather impressive cars.

Fiats are Junk.

But i wouldent really call Mini Coopers gay. If you get the S that looks cool. And I'm sure the little engines will push them.

It´s funny how people just say whatever it comes out of their mouth, at a point it´s funny yeah, but then it becomes a serious reflect of their ignorance. :O

What did that post mean? *scratches head*