FikseGTS

check out the supercharged C55 at the top of the list... runs like an E55 and costs about the same!


M3 vs C32 vs C55 vs S4



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NISSANSPDR

I think one or two of those cars maybe stock...the rest arent...so...it's really pointless since we dont know what level of mods each has...but stock vs stock...for me the choice is really only between the S4 or the M3 (only ones available in stick)...

I'll take the M3

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kman10587

I'd probably go with the M3, although the V8 power and all-wheel-drive of the S4 is very tempting. The Benzes may be fast, but they're not sporty; they don't even offer a conventional manual transmission.

del

http://www.rs4-video.com/

not an S4 but some cool vids of the RS4 against other cars including a modified M3.

finally_retired

Why are you comparing a C32, with a C55. The C32 is old stock! And the C55 is cheeper and slower than an E55, as its smaller, and lacks the supercharger. The Kleeman C55 on the list would devour all of the competition, but at a considerable premium.

As for benzes not being sporty because they don't offer a manual transmission, the same can be said for the Vanquish, or Mercedes McLaren SLR. So I dont think that that argument really holds any ground. After all, formula 1 cars don't use manual transmisions...

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They don't use Automatic transmissions either.....

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crayzayjay

Ahh.. the monthly M3 vs S4 vs AMG debate...


Anyway, Benz's aren't sporty simply because of transmission. Theyre not sporty because they just aren't. All you need to do is drive one, and it will be plainly obvious within seconds. The possible exception is the new SLK, which ive yet to drive. Although the TC is said to be too nannying on that as well...

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FikseGTS

While the C32/55 isn't viper/corvette/m3 sporty, it certainly hold's it's own............. AMG cars are nothing like regular MB's..... the one that should really be left out is the M3, since it's not 4 door.... should have put the CTS-V in there instead..... too bad BMW can't compete this market with an M3 sedan....

drunken monkey

"too bad BMW can't compete this market with an M3 sedan"

but's kinda the point.
a lot of people do want a nice four door but still go and buy the M3.
y'know, they don't need to make a 4 door just to satisfy the market.
people are willing to compromise their needs for the 'better' car.

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kman10587

The CTS-V should be in this comparo anyways.

NISSANSPDR

Not really...b/c then you'd have to include the M5 (has 500HP)...which is the competition for the CTS-V (has 400HP).

The M3, S4 both have around 333-340hp.

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kman10587

Well, the CTS-V is priced similarly to the rest of these cars, but the M5 sure as hell isn't.

FikseGTS

actually, it's all about the market..... their not making cars that don't have a market, eh?

this is the 45-60k range, not the 80-140k range.... otherwise we can include the E55, M5, RS-6, S55, S600, 760iL....

we all know which car's kick a** in that group...

here is an S600 running mid 11's..... where are the bimmer's now?

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-3051.html


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kman10587

They're too busy smoking the big ol' Benzs down at the track.

When you're comparing German touring cars, quarter mile times are the last thing you should be looking at.

finally_retired

How can you liken the M3 to a 'vett or Viper?!? They are sports cars through and through. Absolute thourghbreads. The M3 is a brethed on 3 series coupe! The same can be said for the C55 and S4. They all have simple routs.

This is why I hate the M3. Its desperatly trying to be something that it will never be. At least with the Audi and the AMG's, you know what your buying. A fast saloon/estate car.

I can only liken it to training a shetland pony to run the grand national! Sure, you mite make it fast, and possibly good looking... But it will never be arab race horse!

If I want a notchy gate gear box, great driver involvement, good handeling, and solid uncompromising suspension, I would buy a sports car eg. Elise or Boxter. But the point of these saloon cars is speed, functionality, and comfort.

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