I own a 01 mustang gt and I have won some and lost some to a couple of camaro's, but stock for stock it seems to me it all depends on the driver, I've ran a best of 14.02 1/4 with a bassini x-pipe with cats, flowmaster's, and 3.73 gears, a buddy of mine has a 02 camaro ss and all he has done to his car is flowmaster dual exhaust, :screwy: short throw shifter with 3.73 gears and ran a 13.33, I must admit he is a good driver.

Overall, stock for stock with equal drivers. The LS1's are faster than the Mustang GT's.

The Mach1's are about a match for the LS1's with thier DOHC 4.6s. The Cobras are damn quick, and with ideal conditions can dip into the 12s.

I believe the 03 cobra even with a rookie driver will be able to defeat any camaro out there stock of stock because they can run anywhere from a 12.6 -13.4 compared to a ss camaro's 13.4-13.7

No the driver always matters, one bad shift or launch and you can turn a 12 second car into a 14 second car.
Plus I've taken an '04 cobra from 0-85, and my car's best run was a 13.59

I love mustang's but I wish the 260 hp got to the rear wheels I fell as tough I have to put in a least $1,500 into my engine just to break into the 13's.

And what is wrong with a 13 second car?

And yes stock for stock ls1 > GT. See StangGt's signature.

Stock for Stock there's not much of a race to it (provided both vehicles have good drivers, or equally bad drivers).

4.6L Mustangs have the best chance at beating an LS1 from a heads up race, but usually by 60 mph an LS1 is pulling pretty hard. From a roll, there is not much of a race to it (excluding the 03-up SVT Cobra)

Like Redkneck said, the Mach 1 is a good match for an LS1 Camaro.

I own a 01 mustang gt and I have won some and lost some to a couple of camaro's, but stock for stock it seems to me it all depends on the driver, I've ran a best of 14.02 1/4 with a bassini x-pipe with cats, flowmaster's, and 3.73 gears, a buddy of mine has a 02 camaro ss and all he has done to his car is flowmaster dual exhaust, :screwy: short throw shifter with 3.73 gears and ran a 13.33, I must admit he is a good driver.


If your GT is an auto you need to get a chip or Baumanator TCS cause your shifts points are way off 3.73's should put you into 13's no problem.

If it's a stick you need to work on your driving cause 99+ GT 5-speed +3.73's= mid 13's driven modestly well.

But as a whole LS1> 99+GT stock.

If your GT is an auto you need to get a chip or Baumanator TCS cause your shifts points are way off 3.73's should put you into 13's no problem.

If it's a stick you need to work on your driving cause 99+ GT 5-speed +3.73's= mid 13's driven modestly well.

But as a whole LS1> 99+GT stock.
" i own a stick and i can drive, every time i see a stock gt it always runs a hight 14 and gears alone will not bring it down to the 13's, i know it isn't my driving cause flows and x pipe do not add much horse power maybe 15 at the most, so i go by my stats and what i seen, not by what some car mag. says

You'd be suprised at just what gears alone will do.

i know what gears do i have them in my car

i know what gears do i have them in my car

No shit? I have gears too. I shift them everyday, even...

No shit? I have gears too. I shift them everyday, even...


Stop lying... seriously? Everyday?... damn. You must be pro! :uhoh:

i know what gears do i have them in my car

By that answer i'm assuming you dont even know what he's talking about....:disappoin

i have upgraded from 3.27 gears to ford racing 3.73 gears, so you still don't think what i am talking about!

i have upgraded from 3.27 gears to ford racing 3.73 gears, so you still don't think what i am talking about!

you did not mention that in this thread as you did in your other. the LS1 is just too far outta your reach. get a cam!

i have upgraded from 3.27 gears to ford racing 3.73 gears, so you still don't think what i am talking about!

really did you do the math to make sure when you got them that they were 3.73's? You do know how to check right?

Pre-2000 GT's and V6's were a shame to the Pony car world...A stock 95-98 GT came stock with 215HP basically the same HP rating from the old 5.0 in the new chassis..A 95-98 Camaro Z28 came stock with 280-305......And new Mustang GT's(05's) have now just started to push the 300HP mark

Pre-2000 GT's and V6's were a shame to the Pony car world...A stock 95-98 GT came stock with 215HP basically the same HP rating from the old 5.0 in the new chassis..A 95-98 Camaro Z28 came stock with 280-305......And new Mustang GT's(05's) have now just started to push the 300HP mark
Please research a topic your not sure on. My 99 GT will have just as much horsepower as a '00 GT. it is 99+ with the 260 hp. Also "from the old 5.0" isnt a good reference to bad, because those old 5.0s can go from stock to total beast with little effort.
The LS1 is a faster car, no doubt. However the GT isnt a slow car. Not the fastest, but not slow. As for the new 300hp GTs coming in 05, im willing to bet they beat the ls1 stock for stock. However they wont meet GM's current GTO.
My 2cents.

you also said that they made the same power in a new chassis.


well its not a new chassis. put a 5.0 on a lift and put any mustang from then on to 04 and their chassis is identical. even where the brake lines are routed are the same. its kinda sad that ford used the same chassis for 20 years. and used the same interior for 10.

Hey, dont doubt me. Im going to buy a ford, but ill never claim they are the most mechanicly inclined. :(

Hey, dont doubt me. Im going to buy a ford, but ill never claim they are the most mechanicly inclined. :(

lolz i'm not talkin about you, i'm talkin about burntrice.

i like reason #12, i would lose if it happened to me...even if i did have 30+ horsepower on a mustang

my bad....Yes its extremly true that the 5.0's and the 4.6's are easy to modify and can easily reach 300hp+ with only a few more grand But still stock GT's could be beaten by that era's F-birds and Camaros.And in my opinion V8's that pumped 200+HP were something from the 80's

Indeed...but maybe you didnt consider the LS1s were and still are more expensive as compared to the mustang. Ford never claimed to out do it. If you want stock vs. stock try the mach1 when compared to the chevy.

if you want to compare a camaro...compare the mustang gt to a 1990 camaro z28 IROC Z they have about the same numbers throughout...that would be a good race...although i think those were LT1s which aren't much to brag about but weren't horrible either....anybody know when GM started to make LS1's?

The LS1 came out in 97 in the Vette, and in 98 they (GM) started using it in the F-bodies.

" i own a stick and i can drive, every time i see a stock gt it always runs a hight 14 and gears alone will not bring it down to the 13's, i know it isn't my driving cause flows and x pipe do not add much horse power maybe 15 at the most, so i go by my stats and what i seen, not by what some car mag. says

My times in my friend's car and my bro-in-laws.

02 GT auto Flowmaster Cat-back, Diablo chip 14.1's @ NED
04 GT Vert 5-speed bone stock 14.5( best of only 2 runs) @ NED 2.3 60' blah!

3.73's would brake either of these cars into 13's if driven right.

I would hope the LS1 can out run the new mustang GT because it weighs only about 3400 pounds and has 310hp 340 lbs torque campared to a mustang gt which has only 260hp and 302 Ibs of torque but wait with all that horse power the LS1 put out it can only muster up a 13.8-13.9 campared to car that can run 13.9-14.1 , shouldn't the great and powerful camaro that has 50 more hp and 38 Ibs more torque than the mustang be able to run a lot faster than the upper 13's, it seems to me the Ls1 got some hp problems!

and i would love to a stock LS1 run a in the 12', the mustang gt is slower than the ls1 by what .2 seconds in the quater mle please, the camaro should be faster hell it puts out more horse power

your numbers are a bit off. camaros run low to mid 13s and sometimes there have been cases where they ran high 12s. mustangs run mid to low 14s and there are cases where they get into the 13s. the ls1 camaros are underrated.

I've beaten quite a few 99+ GT's with my former Z28. They weren't even close to me. My buddy Steve beat a supercharged 98 GT with a Cobra engine and a Vortex Supercharger, when he was close to stock. The Mach 1's will beat an LS1 from a dig 3 out of 5 times, cause they grip alot better, stock for stock. From a roll the Mach 1 will lose though. Cobras seem to be a little overrated from what i've seen at the track. I'm not too impressed with them thus far. I am impressed with the Mach 1 though.

Ive seen ss and camaro's run the 1/4 mile and i too am not impressed with LS1, i've beaten and lost to camaros, but at the track i've seen one ss run a 12'9 but he wasn't compltely stock and the fastest camaro i ever seen out there was supercharged and all he ever got was a 12.5 not bad but i figured he would be a little faster considering he has a complete exhaust and new cams amoung other mods. I agree with you the 03 cobra is a little over rated cause the fastest i've seen one run was a 13.01 and i've seen a mach 1 run 13.44 all stock no supercharger

complete exhaust and new cams amoung other mods


The LS1 has 1 cam.

I agree that a camaro will beat a mustang, but I think the Mach 1 should come out on top. Cobras can't be that underrated to run 12's, consistently from what I've seen. And comparing late 80's, early 90's models, I've raced a few Camaros in the modded LX and won every time.

you no what i mean cam sorry

Cobras can't be that underrated to run 12's.
Actually Under good conditions/driver, it can. I have heard of two cases in which the 03+ cobra has hit really high 12s. One of them was on here, I believe it was posted in the mustang forum.

Actually Under good conditions/driver, it can. I have heard of two cases in which the 03+ cobra has hit really high 12s. One of them was on here, I believe it was posted in the mustang forum.


And the other time it was drafting an LS1 down the track to hit 12s.

LS1 = :sunglasse
SVT = :banghead:



Kidding... with ideal conditions, they can hit high 12s stock. But what I've seen is that they're pretty hard to launch.

Lol thats funny. Actually I dont doubt the ls1 being superior to the ford. They have the displacement to outperform us.

And to the doubters of the cobra hitting 12s, search for it in ford-mustang forum, he posted the slip.

As much as i like the looks of the newer stangs, i just dont have the respect for them like i do the older ones like 5.0 and pre 5.0.:dunno:


I just like the sound and scare factor more from an old fox body mustang with a 351.

As for Cobras, there are plenty around here that F Body owners dont even wanna touch as far as racing, but stock for stock they're puppy dogs compared to the Mach 1

Equal drivers, both stock cars, from a stop, the MACH I will win, but not by much. If it's from say 35mph the LS1 will win. However, things always change on the street.I like both cars the LS1 is a better drivers car and I would of bought one if they still made them in 04.

please dont bring up old threads

Well id say that since the LS1's run a good 11-12 every run and GT's run good 13's that the LS1 would take the mustang for a walk. LS1's have straight out of the fac. great bottom-end torque while mustangs tend to pull good top-end, but LS1's will still give the mustang the beef.
My Choice= LS1

old topic once again..............read the date under your post number................the best a ls1 will run stock is 12.8 but the mach 1' and cobras are contenders it really shoudlnt even be a question with the gt's.

once again, i would never buy a new mustang. So understand how crap works then ask me again. You place a 88' and a 99' together both mod 88' will win. Ill bet 10,000 paypal for anyone that thinks diff.

Just stating that "LS1s run a good 11-12 every run" makes you look dumb.

i would of said that but i didnt want to be too harsh on him.......... see im nice too

if you guys got a LS1 in your vehicle(depending on the vehicles weight) that car will pull high 11-12's enless your a gimp and can pull the shifter. I say this because ive seen it done by 3 passes at low 12's and high 11's and not to make it seem like LS1s are the best but this is what this threads about so im stating the facts.

This is almost like comparing apples and oranges isn't it?
Ok I don't know a whole lot about LS1s but they aren't bread and butter 350s right? The 4.6 isn't a bread and butter engine either but I don't think its as juiced up as the LS1 and lets not forget the 1.1L difference of the 2.
I think it'd be better to compare the LS1 to the ford 351 but thats me. If I have to pick though I'll say the LS1.

One so u are saying a 5.0 with 225 hp and the 4.6 with 260hp the 5.0 will win hmmm weight matters but personally i think its pretty dang close. second no a ls1 is not gonna run 11s stock what the z06 with a freckin ls6 runs 12s how the hell is a ls1 with less hp gonna run 11s and i am even talking about corvette ls1's. now as almost everyone said ls1 is gonna beat a 4.6 285 to 260 and a ss is 320 or 315 to 310 for a mach1. the mach is gonna be a really freckin close one drive is gonna be a huge factor. also u said depending on ur vechical weight so are u meaning a completly gutted nothing but a freckin seat shifter and gauges car with a ls1 is gonna run 11's?

heck mustang gts gotta be slow even i beat a few in my 98 Z24 hahahaha

then again im supercharged and my car is under 2650lbs with full interior lol


anyways heres how i see it stock for stock the camaro ls1's will take it every time no questions asked, at the track near me they run low 13's in stock forum and the mustang Gt's are in the mid 14's with a stick and stock, this track is at sealevel and many good racers drive there so these are not bum times

i once seen a supercharged mustang get a 13 flat but im not sure what else he had done and what engine it was

OK. The Mustang GT doesnt even stand a chance against the LT1. So why are we comparing it to the LS1?

Mustang GT's are solid cars, there's no doubt about it. The first GT I ever raced was a rental my buddy had a few summers ago - we both had people piled in our cars, and it was auto vs. auto - I let him rip a second before me and ended up totally murdering him. But I learned quickly never to underestimate those cars. I actually had a real problem when I first started racing by giving cars I thought were slower the advantage - not lining up nose to nose but giving them about a quarter car length lead, waiting till they get on the gas before I punch it, etc... Then I started to wonder why I couldn't catch up to some of these stock looking GT's??? (one night you blow them away and the other you get humbled) Nowadays, I'm gunning it the instant I count three after a red light, regardless of the car.

There's this neighbourhood kid I've known forever who recently got a Rouche Stang - says the thing pulled off a 14 flat ET pure factory, before the conversion. Its now got headers, the side exhaust system and 4.10's. Either of us haven't hit the track this summer to see what the new setups will do (I was pulling 13.8's with my old 2.93's - have now got the 3.73's in), but we bumped into each other on a nice local road a few weeks ago - each on cold tires - and at 60 kmh we did the 1-2-3 and were side by side with no change right up to 150 kmh. And I don't know if he was full of shit when he said he was spinning through 3rd but that car has definitely got serious balls! And with what? - gears, and exhaust!

All lemons and pathetic drivers aside, in my book stock GT's are low-low 14 second cars, easy.

some one said the new gts have 260 hp just clairfing they have 300 hp.

Overall, stock for stock with equal drivers. The LS1's are faster than the Mustang GT's.

The Mach1's are about a match for the LS1's with thier DOHC 4.6s. The Cobras are damn quick, and with ideal conditions can dip into the 12s.

Lets think about this 03 cobra 390hp stock from theri supercharger against 02 SS na with 320hp.....I would hope a supercharged V8 could beat one w/o in stock format.....now throw a supercharger on a camaro and its what Cobra????All I see are headlights

if you want to compare a camaro...compare the mustang gt to a 1990 camaro z28 IROC Z they have about the same numbers throughout...that would be a good race...although i think those were LT1s which aren't much to brag about but weren't horrible either....anybody know when GM started to make LS1's?


Winter of 93...and approved in may of 94

Ive seen ss and camaro's run the 1/4 mile and i too am not impressed with LS1, i've beaten and lost to camaros, but at the track i've seen one ss run a 12'9 but he wasn't compltely stock and the fastest camaro i ever seen out there was supercharged and all he ever got was a 12.5 not bad but i figured he would be a little faster considering he has a complete exhaust and new cams amoung other mods. I agree with you the 03 cobra is a little over rated cause the fastest i've seen one run was a 13.01 and i've seen a mach 1 run 13.44 all stock no supercharger

To run a 12.5 w/ SC there would have been something wrong way to slow...A stock LS1 M6 with a ATI D1SC running 8lbs is a 10 sec car..... maybe he bought that $65 SC kit , and thats where his 12.5 came from

In 2007 when the Camaro makes its comeback with the LS2 engine, It will again dominate the the streets. As well as GM's Official GTO to US specs....no more Aussie

if you want to compare a camaro...compare the mustang gt to a 1990 camaro z28 IROC Z they have about the same numbers throughout...that would be a good race...although i think those were LT1s which aren't much to brag about but weren't horrible either

get some info before you make up some random crap, lt1's are torque beasts, you think an iroc z is a lt1 lol

they were 350's with TPI