can someone please tell me what is better. i am going to be turbocharging my b18b (ls) integra and i was wondering what i should use for fuel management. i dunno if i want either the hack (SAFC/VAFC) controller or Hondata. I have heard good things about both but I don't know what to use. I am going to be using either 440cc injectors (if i go with safc/vafc) and 550cc if i go with hondata. because i have heard that the vafc controller can only be used with 440cc injectors. thanks for your opinion. and if you could, write down why you think either one is better.

Depends on how much you're planning on boosting. If you're going like 6-8 psi then might as well save the $ and go with the hack. If you're planning on boosting quite a bit then do the more reliable thing and go with Hondata. The Hondata will be tuned better for your car than just using bigger injectors and then leaning it out with the AFC. I don't know details about hondata, but I'm assuming it will change the fuel ratio through out the powerband instead of having just 1 fuel ratio thru the powerband like the AFC will do...but like I said I might be wrong, I'm just guessing it would be similar to AEM EMS in that aspect.

Standalone will always be better than hack. If you cant afford it, hack is fine too. Wanna buy mine, click on the link at sig =)

uberdata

Standalone will always be better than hack. If you cant afford it, hack is fine too. Wanna buy mine, click on the link at sig =)

will that work for my 95 LS teggy? is it plug and play or what? how much would you sell it for. i am probably going to be running no more than 12psi until i upgrade my internals. and i was going to go with the hack because it is pretty cheap. with hondata...would i have to go and have it tuned at a tuner shop or do i get software to do myself?

i am probably going to be running around 4-5psi when i am just driving, and then around 9-12psi when racing.

how much you want for that hondata?

yes it will work, but on the p28, you will be running on non vtec.

I would recommend running on your current p75 instead or anything else not P28,P30,P72, and P61.

hack is garbage.

uberdata if your poor and a do it yourself'er

hondata if you want a quality

well i am going to be converting it into an LS/VTEC when i am done turbocharging. i know i should do the LS/VTEC first but i want turbocharger first. i guess i am going to have to do some research because i dont know what those p#'s are.

this should be common sense, but ok..

i really hate it when you come into my threads. you start nothing but trouble.

Just speaking the truth, all your really doing is wasting bandwith. Oh, and you might want to do LS/Vtec before you put the turbo, it will save you a lot of down time.

i really dont think that i am wasting anything with this question. i think a question like "Can you race with an automatic?" is wasting space. everyone knows that every automatic is about 1-2seconds slower in everything (0-60&1/4, etc.) this is actually a logical question. and why should i go with LS/VTEC first v.s. turbo first....i know i will get more hp gains with turbocharger.

i dont think going uberdata is in anyway considered the cheap way from my perspective

i would go with hondata but since i cant tune it myself i am more forced to go with uberdata. i would go aem but more complicated then hond/eber data. but i dont think going uberdata to me is considered going the cheap way, plus its even harder to go uberdata because of everything you have to do to actually tune the car

Uberdata is not bad neither, considering if things are done right.

so i would have to go to my local tuner shop to get my hondata tuned for my car to work properly? or i could just get the hack and do it myself...right? with the hack...can i retard the timing? because i have heard you can't

hack is garbage.

uberdata if your poor and a do it yourself'er

hondata if you want a quality


best answer i think....

You see the goals in your sig. If you wanna get there on stock internals, then a stand alone is the way to go.

Because if you are using hacks to get there, you may get there, but at the cost of breaking something. Then you will have to start all over again.

You should consider the hondata/ AEM EMS/ uberdata as a necessary component of your build up, not just a, "should i."

Be patient and do it right the first time. You'll save alot of money and time in the long run, plus you will be more satisfied with it.

If you plan on turboing the b18b, just turbo it. If you plan on going ls/vtec, then just stay there. No need to change routes. Unless, you have the money to do so.

[whispers] you will be more satisfied with the turbo ;) [whispers]

Maybe because you can turbocharge an LS/Vtec but i'd advise you don't. I thought that was what you were planning on doing, but i was under the wrong assumption. Why would you go turbo then go N/A isn't that downgrading?

no...i want to do both. i am going to turbocharge it, and then go LS/VTEC....to do both will be around $2500. Not that much for having your car run 10's. With proper suspension, and slicks.

Your not gonna go 10's with 2,500$ wont even get close. Your thinking fairyland here this is the real world.

Just because you turbo an Ls/vtec motor doesent mean you will run 10's. You dont have what it takes to run 10's

i am not saying i will "slap that stuff on and will run 10s". but what i am saying is that if you wanted to run 10's then LS/VTEC would be ideal

best answer i think....

Actually, Uberdata is pretty good. I thought it was crap the first time i saw it being used on a turbocharged b18c1 hatch, but i was pretty impressed with the numbers it made and basemap it was using.

The only serious problem with it is that there is not much tuners out there knowledgable with the system.

personally...ls/vtec arent all they are cracked up to be. for all motor apps i guess they are suitable. but when it comes down to it a b18c1 or b18c5 would be better. i think you should just boost the hell out of you ls and call it a day...15 psi will get you 12's easy with the correct setup. just my :2cents:

i was only thinking about going 10psi max...because this is a daily driver...and i dont have time to rip open my engine and change internals and then boost the hell...trust me...if i was thinking about going 15psi....i would change my internals...and make sure that i would be able to have 20psi easy... :) i would like to reinforce everything in my block. but i have no time for that. thats why i am staying at 10psi max. Some guy had an LS/VTEC and made 647whp 450ftlbs of torque at 29.5psi or something. I wonder what he is doing in the 1/4mile... lol

i was only thinking about going 10psi max...because this is a daily driver...and i dont have time to rip open my engine and change internals and then boost the hell...trust me...if i was thinking about going 15psi....i would change my internals...and make sure that i would be able to have 20psi easy... :) i would like to reinforce everything in my block. but i have no time for that. thats why i am staying at 10psi max. Some guy had an LS/VTEC and made 647whp 450ftlbs of torque at 29.5psi or something. I wonder what he is doing in the 1/4mile... lol

trust me...youll be quite happy with 10 psi...straight ls

trust me...youll be quite happy with 10 psi...straight ls

how much hp do you think i can put to the wheels. like a guestimate?
440cc injectors
2-1/2 - 3inch dp
intercooler
proper fuel setup
downpipe back exhaust

any numbers?

how much hp do you think i can put to the wheels. like a guestimate?
440cc injectors
2-1/2 - 3inch dp
intercooler
proper fuel setup
downpipe back exhaust

any numbers?

maybe 220ish to the wheels....but u gotta remember 220 to the wheels in a honda feels totally different than a muscle car wit 220 to the wheels....its a "different kind of power"

more like 250whp+ in a LS at 10psi

with that much to the wheels...i should be running close to mid 12's...right?

I'd say high 12's to low 13's 12.7-13.3

if you find a hondata tuner and he says he cant tune uberdata, then hes either trying to sell you a hondata ecu or hes a dumbass because uberdata is almost the same program as hondata.

stop thinking of psi numbers, think of hp number, stock ls can handle 300whp if tuned good. simple as that.

but if you decide to go lsvte later, then you pay 300 to have it tune, then throw the vtec head on, then you gotta pay another 300 to have it retuned, or you could go lsvtec first then turbo and only pay 300 once.

but all your doing with the lsvtec is making your 300whp on stock internals at a lower psi, your still gonna come out with 300whp. so you go from a straight ls @14psi to a lsvtec@10psi, whats the difference.

uberdata is almost the same program as hondata.

The important word here is

ALMOST :wink:

yeah its almost, the only thing is that hondata has a few more features that uberdata doesnt have YET. but building a map for fuel and ignition values is the same. only difference is the few features that hondata has over uberdata

yeah its almost, the only thing is that hondata has a few more features that uberdata doesnt have YET. but building a map for fuel and ignition values is the same. only difference is the few features that hondata has over uberdata

My lil bro may take the turbo hatch through the uberdata path too since i sold it to him without the hondata S2b. Will be an interesting trip.

Sh!t, he may even put some 18s on it and smoked altezzas on my baby :rofl: