Seeing as the 996 has lost some of the edge that older 911's (including the 993) have had, and that the only real racer in the lineup was the GT3 which is no longer in production, does anyone know whether Porsche will build a 996RS? Do you think they will? I certainly think they should as the 996 was softer than old 911's from the very start and the revised model is even more forgiving and GT-like than the original 996... i dont like the way its going for the 911, so i hope a 996RS is around the corner... something with no luxuries and slightly more power? say 340bhp in a 1150-1200kg body? its certainly achievable... fingers crossed

cheers,
jay

That would be aweosme! I think it might be in the works, but we if it was a possiblity, we most likely would have been told by now. I noticed that Porsche has been very busy recently and the Targa and C4S, weren't exactly know for a while, maybe there is still hope.

This brings me to antoher point, I'm so happy Porsche ahs finally expanded the 996 lineup to almost equal that of the previous 993! It's just nice to see the various models now, I actually really love all of them and those ads, whoever writes them should get some free Porsches, they're amazing!

which ads are you talking about? on tv? or in mags? dont think ive ever seen a Tv ad for porsche.. they dont really need it, i guess...
what do you think of the addition of the Cayenne into the Porsche lineup btw?

cheers,
jay

Magazine, every Porsche ad is actually worth reading, there good. I saw a new 911 commercial and tons of ads for the current lineup.

One for the Turbo says: "I f you could choose to have any car in the world, which colour would you choose?"

I love them , my sig is one too.

As for the Cayenne, I'm optimistic, I love Porsche for what they are,, not who they are trying to be, I would have liked it if they put the funding and research into a new sports-coupe instead of the Cayenne, but I sorta like the Cayenne, it's really a big 911.

Not exactly what people are crying out for though, is it?
with the 911 getting softer and the Cayenne being added to the lineup it just doesnt make sense. the 911 should have kept some of its old characteristics if a new product was being offered for more diluted sports driving (Cayenne). Does that make any sense?

cheers,
jay

While the 996 is "softer" and more refined then any previous porsche....pretty much all porsche's have been more refined then the previous model. I would expect nothing less. While the 996 doesn't offer the tendancy to snap around as easily it is still the fastest stock 911 around any track. A stock C2 996 will take a stock C2 993 or earlier porsche in about anything. it may feel softer or be "too" refined for some tastes, but porsche is doing what will sell more cars and make an overall better product. It may look like a GT car inside, but it is still pure sports car heaven in the engine and performance.

As far as the new models you have the:
C4S
C4 Cabrio
C2
Boxster
Boxster S
996 turbo
996 GT2
Coming:
Carrera Gt
Cayene
some sort of 2+2 Gt car to compete with the Ferrari 456
new boxster with around 280 HP
probably some i'm not thinking of right now

seems to me porsche has a lot on it's plate. Most of it good....though I do hate to see them making an SUV, but at least it is more of a "fast station wagon" then a suburban warrior machine like the explorer, suburban, etc. It reminds me of faster version of the BMW X5.

Besides the targa, you got em all. :D

911's have indeed gotten softer, but it was generally felt that the transition from 993 to 996 changed the car too much in terms of driver appeal. it was too easy to drive the car fast and that takes away a lot of the involvement and therefore satisfaction.

It reminds me of faster version of the BMW X5.
maybe, except that i read that the base Cayenne will have 230bhp or so, which will leave it lagging way behind the hotter X5's.

Originally posted by crayzayjay
maybe, except that i read that the base Cayenne will have 230bhp or so, which will leave it lagging way behind the hotter X5's.

Yeah , a 4.4 X5 has 286 hp , and there is the 4.6 HP(or iS as it's called in europe) with 340 hp , and X5 really goes nice in the corners , it's not what suvs are made for , but it really goes good compared to all other suvs

so there you have it. a BMW off-roader kicking dust in a Porsche's face. What has the world come to?

The porsche Suv will offer 3 engine variants:
3.2 liter at 275 HP
4.5 liter V8 at 336HP
4.5 liter TT V8 at 450 HP (same engine that will be powering the 2+2 GT car they are making, probably tuned up even more to produce close to 500HP)
so it seems to me that the base cayenne will move just fine and the top of the line cayenne will spank anything from BWM or AMG in stock form. just the way porsche's top car always does!! ;)

Still, the base model is in danger of being whooped by a hot X5 or sh*tty little hot hatches. Sorry, but that doesnt exactly fill me with joy.

cheers,
jay

Well, the secret's out now, the Cayenne has been seen and I don't like that much. The front facia is beautiful, but it looks like a minivan from the back, and those rims look worse than my garbage can lids, I'm sorry, POrsche should have stayed in the sportscar market, hopefully the final production model will be slightly better looking.

Originally posted by crayzayjay
Seeing as the 996 has lost some of the edge that older 911's (including the 993) have had, and that the only real racer in the lineup was the GT3 which is no longer in production, does anyone know whether Porsche will build a 996RS? Do you think they will? I certainly think they should as the 996 was softer than old 911's from the very start and the revised model is even more forgiving and GT-like than the original 996... i dont like the way its going for the 911, so i hope a 996RS is around the corner... something with no luxuries and slightly more power? say 340bhp in a 1150-1200kg body? its certainly achievable... fingers crossed

cheers,
jay
the real racer lineup nowadays is the GT2, you should look for information about it

I know all about the GT2, and it aint no race car.
Look up the 993 GT2, THAT'S a race car

Originally posted by crayzayjay
I know all about the GT2, and it aint no race car.
why isn't it a racecar?
- it's only for 2 people (more are not allowed)
- it has no luxury in it
- metal frame inside

(this car compared with a 911 RS of the early 90's, it looks quite similar)

Originally posted by NITROboy


- metal frame inside



this truely cracked me up... it's called rollcage... it's a race car suitable for road use... at least more suitable then those crazy 1-seater 962s...:bloated:

Originally posted by Tom_S8


this truely cracked me up... it's called rollcage... it's a race car suitable for road use... at least more suitable then those crazy 1-seater 962s...:bloated:
and the "rollcage" on the side (where the doors are) aren't allowed for the road because of insurance
they are only allowed for racing on a track
=> well this is the case in Belgium, I don't know how it is in other countries

In Poland (i live in here...) almost everything is allowed... Yeah you can drive rally cars , race cars , whatever suits you... and then there are our "rice boys" in fiat cinquecentos with 15 cm rear pipes and 150 Db coming out... god damn how annoying that is...

The fact is, it simply wasnt developed to race. I obviously havent driven it, but from all accounts it doesnt feel like a racer nor handle like a racer... doesnt sound like a race car to me, no motorsport intent, and simply not precise enough a racing tool... its been summed up as unpredictable, you never really know what the car is doing when youre pushing it, not enough feedback to the driver... the 993GT2 and 996GT3 have it whipped when it comes to this. Those are two fine race cars indeed.

996 GT3

Originally posted by NITROboy
996 GT3

Like we don't know that...
Have you driven one?
I have , and the same goes for GT2... the GT2 is faster in the straight line , but i think that somehow driving the GT3 was giving me more pleasure... I wonder what it would be like with the cayenne... because i get a chance to drive all new porsche models when they come out... :sun:

Originally posted by Tom_S8


Like we don't know that...
Have you driven one?
I have , and the same goes for GT2... the GT2 is faster in the straight line , but i think that somehow driving the GT3 was giving me more pleasure... I wonder what it would be like with the cayenne... because i get a chance to drive all new porsche models when they come out... :sun:
that's the new GT3 that will be released in 2003 I think...
and no I haven't driven a gt3 or gt3, except for a "test drive" in a gt2 but I sat on the passenger seat

that white 996 doesnt look like a GT3 to me

http://www.waveracer.net/pictures/albums/Porsche/Porsche%20996%20GT3%20(2003)/porsche_gt3_04.jpg
http://www.waveracer.net/pictures/albums/Porsche/Porsche%20996%20GT3%20(2003)/porsche_gt3_03.jpg
http://www.waveracer.net/pictures/albums/Porsche/Porsche%20996%20GT3%20(2003)/porsche_gt3_01.jpg